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The Brassgoggles Model Making Club (the second non-SP model making thread).

Started by James Harrison, April 28, 2019, 05:13:51 PM

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Madasasteamfish

#675
July 09, 2022, 11:42:01 AM Last Edit: July 09, 2022, 11:54:02 AM by Madasasteamfish
So, I'm on holiday with the parental units, and it seems they made the mistake of leaving me unsupervised in a model shop...



This is my haul.
I made a note in my diary on the way over here. Simply says; "Bugger!"

"DON'T THINK OF IT AS DYING, JUST THINK OF IT AS LEAVING EARLY TO AVOID THE RUSH."

Sorontar

#676
July 09, 2022, 11:53:46 AM
They might eventually learn that trainspotting for you actually involves trains!

Sorontar
Sorontar, Captain of 'The Aethereal Dancer'
Advisor to HM Engineers on matters aethereal, aeronautic and cosmographic
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The Bullet

#677
July 09, 2022, 11:59:09 AM
Teutonic is in pieces.

I had to shorten the slide valves on both HP cylinders by 4mm.
I doubt the loco has ever run under her own steam.
Now I am looking for the missing 5mm of valve travel on the RH side.
Seems to be something wrong with the dimensions of the rods.
LP cylinder still shows no signs of life.

I seem to have no other choice than to take the boiler off the frames and get the LP cylinder out to have a look inside the steamchest.
If brute force does not work....you´re not using enough of it.

The Bullet

#678
July 10, 2022, 10:21:41 AM
Found the missing 5mm valve travel (pin in the wrong place).
Tested HP cylinders on air. Everything runs smoothly.
I have finally understood the critical points of Joy valve gear.
Next thing is to take the boiler off and drop the LP cylinder from the frames.
There seems to be something really wrong with its slide valve as the piston does not react to any movement of the valve rod.
If brute force does not work....you´re not using enough of it.

James Harrison

#679
July 10, 2022, 10:40:35 AM
This is what I've been working on for the last few days.  3D printed Barnum brake third kit, which turns up as a couple of printed bits (body, chassis, bogies and seating) and you have to supply buffers, couplings and wheels. 

First bit is to cut off the printing 'skeleton'- bits of flash and stuff that had to be added to strengthen the model whilst printing- I advise caution here because I managed to cut through the body itself when the knife slipped (fortunately this was easily repaired).

Then moving on to the paintwork and I've started with the teak, which is now done, and now I need to think about the roof and the ceiling. 



Persons intending to travel by open carriage should select a seat with their backs to the engine, by which means they will avoid the ashes emitted therefrom, that in travelling generally, but particularly through the tunnels, prove a great annoyance; the carriage farthest from the engine will in consequence be found the most desirable.

Madasasteamfish

#680
July 10, 2022, 03:14:37 PM
I was left unsupervised again....

This time the result was a handful of pieces for my reference library (including the first volume of  Dow's history of the great central).
I made a note in my diary on the way over here. Simply says; "Bugger!"

"DON'T THINK OF IT AS DYING, JUST THINK OF IT AS LEAVING EARLY TO AVOID THE RUSH."

The Bullet

#681
July 15, 2022, 05:28:09 PM
Teutonic is alive.
HP and LP cylinders work.
Boiler cladding has been cleaned and repainted.
Platework was hard to clean. There were several layers of paint. Some resisted the wire brush and even pickling chemistry.
Next weapon: Sandblasting.
Hope that will help.

Spent some time working on the tender axles. The axleboxes needed quite a bit of filing before they moved freely.
If brute force does not work....you´re not using enough of it.

Madasasteamfish

#682
July 18, 2022, 12:23:41 PM Last Edit: July 18, 2022, 02:41:59 PM by Madasasteamfish
Time I think for my latest project to break cover, which will also be the first bit of scenery for Dukeswood.

In keeping with trying to introduce some prototype elements I intend to model this rather unusual signalbox.


It's of course unusual in part because it seems to be built from, (or at least clad in) corrugated iron but also because despite being on a GCR line, the roof line (and spike finials in particular) are much more a sign of Midland design.

Rather than a scratchbuild I'm looking to bodge this card kit with suitable plastikard.
I made a note in my diary on the way over here. Simply says; "Bugger!"

"DON'T THINK OF IT AS DYING, JUST THINK OF IT AS LEAVING EARLY TO AVOID THE RUSH."

Sir Henry

#683
July 18, 2022, 02:27:41 PM
I hate to say this, but aren't the proportions of the model you're planning to bodge from rather different to the ones you want?
Comparing the sizes of the downstairs doors, the model looks to be a fair bit wider than the one in the photo.

If you could send me a scan/better picture of that photo I reckon I could draw up a plan for it in a day or two, if you fancy. I may even be able to cut it out of card/veneer/3mm ply on the laser cutter, though you would have to do the corrugated iron texture yourself.
(note: this offer is only valid while I'm twiddling my thumbs waiting for estate agents and solicitors get their acts together. Accepting this offer may trigger said acts under Sod's Law.)
I speak in syllabubbles. They rise to the surface by the force of levity and pop out of my mouth unneeded and unheeded.
Cry "Have at!" and let's lick the togs of Waugh!
Arsed not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for tea.

Madasasteamfish

#684
July 18, 2022, 02:49:29 PM
Quote from: Sir Henry on July 18, 2022, 02:27:41 PM
I hate to say this, but aren't the proportions of the model you're planning to bodge from rather different to the ones you want?
Comparing the sizes of the downstairs doors, the model looks to be a fair bit wider than the one in the photo.

If you could send me a scan/better picture of that photo I reckon I could draw up a plan for it in a day or two, if you fancy. I may even be able to cut it out of card/veneer/3mm ply on the laser cutter, though you would have to do the corrugated iron texture yourself.
(note: this offer is only valid while I'm twiddling my thumbs waiting for estate agents and solicitors get their acts together. Accepting this offer may trigger said acts under Sod's Law.)

I appreciate the offer, very muchly. However, I doubt I could get a better scan from my own sources (I do believe there are a multitude of pictures available online if they would be of any use). Of course, my general idea with Dukeswood is to create something 'near enough' the real thing so I couldn't really give a proverbial if it's not *exactly* like the prototype.

The main challenge I actually foresee is getting the roof line right, the other dimensions should be fairly easy, and a matter of cutting down the width of the frontage.
I made a note in my diary on the way over here. Simply says; "Bugger!"

"DON'T THINK OF IT AS DYING, JUST THINK OF IT AS LEAVING EARLY TO AVOID THE RUSH."

Sir Henry

#685
July 19, 2022, 08:01:45 PM
I got bored today. Signal box v.1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/orkpbeilx6vz192/Kiveton%20Park%20Colliery%20box%20v.1.pdf?dl=0

What should I do to make this useful to you? What size should it be?

And there was one thing that I just couldn't get my head around - there's a letterbox in the upper door. I have no idea why this seems so absurd to me, but it does.
I speak in syllabubbles. They rise to the surface by the force of levity and pop out of my mouth unneeded and unheeded.
Cry "Have at!" and let's lick the togs of Waugh!
Arsed not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for tea.

Madasasteamfish

#686
July 20, 2022, 04:47:31 PM
Quote from: Sir Henry on July 19, 2022, 08:01:45 PM
I got bored today. Signal box v.1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/orkpbeilx6vz192/Kiveton%20Park%20Colliery%20box%20v.1.pdf?dl=0

What should I do to make this useful to you? What size should it be?

And there was one thing that I just couldn't get my head around - there's a letterbox in the upper door. I have no idea why this seems so absurd to me, but it does.

Thanks very much for this. In terms of size I generally work in 4mm:1ft but without exact measurements I'm not sure how to work out the current scale.

The letterbox on the upper door is a feature I hadn't actually noticed before. If I were to hazard a guess it probably powers its existence to the door having been salvaged from another building.
I made a note in my diary on the way over here. Simply says; "Bugger!"

"DON'T THINK OF IT AS DYING, JUST THINK OF IT AS LEAVING EARLY TO AVOID THE RUSH."

Sir Henry

#687
July 21, 2022, 09:12:39 AM
Quote from: Madasasteamfish on July 20, 2022, 04:47:31 PM
Thanks very much for this. In terms of size I generally work in 4mm:1ft but without exact measurements I'm not sure how to work out the current scale.

Here is version 2.
I seem to have mostly designed this for making out of card (a couple of pieces have the traditional dashed fold lines), as I don't know what you want to do with it.
I also included the images (found online) that I used as reference. It has changed a bit, with different paint colours, etc., but the biggest change is in the staircase. The first version looks to have gone along the outer wall, while later ones went straight out from the door, with an early version being noticeably steeper than the later version. As I wasn't sure of the era you're going for I chose the straight out and steep version; I can change it to either of the others if you like.
Also, in the very earliest photo, the bottom of the building is open with a covering panel added later. The panel is in the design but you can cut it out if you want the original version.

I'm assuming that you'll paint it, so have only coloured the roof and the internal floor as they never changed (or so I assume with the floor). Similarly the windows are plain white for you to do with as you see fit. I can black them all out or put a picture of your choice behind them if you want.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gjdfj19y4h5w46j/Kiveton%20Park%20Colliery%20box%20v.2.pdf?dl=0
I speak in syllabubbles. They rise to the surface by the force of levity and pop out of my mouth unneeded and unheeded.
Cry "Have at!" and let's lick the togs of Waugh!
Arsed not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for tea.

Madasasteamfish

#688
July 21, 2022, 04:47:30 PM
Wow, you have been busy. I'll see about printing this off in the next few days. Ill definitely use it as a mock up and will almost certainly use the stairs regardless of how I look to pull off the final article. I do also have some bits and pieces for the interior and have my eye on some suitable laser cut window frames from a supplier I've used before.
I made a note in my diary on the way over here. Simply says; "Bugger!"

"DON'T THINK OF IT AS DYING, JUST THINK OF IT AS LEAVING EARLY TO AVOID THE RUSH."

James Harrison

#689
July 23, 2022, 08:53:58 AM


Teaking- outside and in- is finished, as is the roof and ceiling.  I'm now working on the seats and partitions, to be followed by the chassis. 
Persons intending to travel by open carriage should select a seat with their backs to the engine, by which means they will avoid the ashes emitted therefrom, that in travelling generally, but particularly through the tunnels, prove a great annoyance; the carriage farthest from the engine will in consequence be found the most desirable.

The Bullet

#690
July 29, 2022, 03:21:14 PM
Teutonic parts have been sandblasted.

Some body panels haven´t been soldered properly (or at all) and came apart.
More work than expected.
If brute force does not work....you´re not using enough of it.

Madasasteamfish

#691
July 31, 2022, 05:41:09 PM
So I've finally started on my signal box.


Here's the two mock ups side by side (the original kit I intended to use, and the version very kindly provided by SirHenry, and as can be seen theres not much between them. Unfortunately, SirHenry's version has ended up over scale (probably thanks to some mistake on my part) so I've decided just to use it as a plan/guide for the exterior. I also received the laser cut windows and doors yesterday so will be working from them to get the apertures right, and root through my bits boxes revealed an old kit for an LMS (former LNWR) pattern box which should provide me with the stairs and bargeboards.
I made a note in my diary on the way over here. Simply says; "Bugger!"

"DON'T THINK OF IT AS DYING, JUST THINK OF IT AS LEAVING EARLY TO AVOID THE RUSH."

The Bullet

#692
August 27, 2022, 09:59:33 AM
Looking good.
Mockups are quite handy top try out different sizes of the intended building. Sometimes a few mm make a huge difference.

Last weekend our daughter (5 years) took the first turn driving my 5" gauge Reichsbahn class 55 steamer. As she had previously only driven my Maxitrak Swallow she was impressed (and a bit shocked) by its power. We only had 9 wagons behind the tender so "the brute" hardly noticed the load.
If brute force does not work....you´re not using enough of it.

James Harrison

#693
August 27, 2022, 10:33:21 AM
My Barnum carriages are on hold.  I need specific buffers for them, which are made by one company, and they're showing as 'out of stock' on the website at the moment, which is a bit annoying. 

So in the meantime I've broken out one of my stash of Ratio 48' carriage kits to work on. 

For the long term layout project, I've been fussing and messing around with my trackplan over and over some more, to the point I've decided to start over again.  What I've found is, I've actually got room for something that resembles a much-shrunk Marylebone, if I'm prepared to limit myself to 4-4-0s or 4-4-2s and 3 60' carriages.  Well, most of my planned trains are formed of 48' or 50' stock, so I can live with that.  I'd be even better off if I backdated from my 1918-22 modelling period to say 1910- before the 'big' stuff came along- but I'm not sure I quite want to do that. 
Persons intending to travel by open carriage should select a seat with their backs to the engine, by which means they will avoid the ashes emitted therefrom, that in travelling generally, but particularly through the tunnels, prove a great annoyance; the carriage farthest from the engine will in consequence be found the most desirable.

James Harrison

#694
August 28, 2022, 02:27:09 PM
Well, I ran some numbers... I've got about 20 locos that would be suitable for a layout in the pre-1914 era, although some would need work on the lining.

So far as carriages are concerned, the sets of matchboarded stock would be unsuitable- with the exception of the Barnums- and those are so long that I could only fit a train of three of them.  There's also the issue that they barely squeek around a 20" radius curve- no issue on the width of the room, but the length?  By the time I've got such a 90-degree curve in, I've really cut into the space available for the station throat and platforms. 

So, I'm happy that backdating could be done- though it limits what locomotives I can use- the question is when do I backdate to...
-pre-1908 the carriage livery was chocolate and cream; the teak livery introduced in that year wasn't widespread until about 1910 or so;
-pre-1912 the building livery was cream and shades of stone/ brown;
-post-1912 the much bigger locomotive classes and rolling stock start getting introduced.

So it suggests that if I do decide to backdate, the period 1908 - 1912 would be something to aim for.  Now as an experiment I've started painting my current carriage project into the chocolate and cream livery of 1903 - 1908, if that is a success I think I most likely will go for an Edwardian/ pre-WWI setting.
Persons intending to travel by open carriage should select a seat with their backs to the engine, by which means they will avoid the ashes emitted therefrom, that in travelling generally, but particularly through the tunnels, prove a great annoyance; the carriage farthest from the engine will in consequence be found the most desirable.

Mercury Wells

#695
September 01, 2022, 02:48:38 PM
Oh...my old war wound? I got that at The Battle of Dorking. Very nasty affair that was, I can tell you.

The Ministry of Tea respectfully advises you to drink one cup of tea day...for that +5 Moral Fibre stat.

James Harrison

#696
September 01, 2022, 07:00:36 PM
Persons intending to travel by open carriage should select a seat with their backs to the engine, by which means they will avoid the ashes emitted therefrom, that in travelling generally, but particularly through the tunnels, prove a great annoyance; the carriage farthest from the engine will in consequence be found the most desirable.

Madasasteamfish

#697
September 11, 2022, 05:11:06 PM
A shortage of spoons has left me lacking in mojo recently, but in an effort to get it back, and so something productive, I've finished off my V3 in my ususal style of 'annoy the rivet counters.'



Partially because they were primarily based on tyneside, so its unlikely they would have seen usage in the more southerly former GCR territory I'm using for Dukeswood, but also because I've used the GNR style LNER green of Doncaster works rather than the subtly different shade used in by Darlington works. But as per usual...DILLIGAF?
I made a note in my diary on the way over here. Simply says; "Bugger!"

"DON'T THINK OF IT AS DYING, JUST THINK OF IT AS LEAVING EARLY TO AVOID THE RUSH."

James Harrison

#698
September 11, 2022, 05:30:17 PM
I like it. 

Of course, this whole part of north Nottinghamshire is where the Sheffield, Lincoln and Doncaster operating districts met (as I'm finding out with trying to organise a working timetable for RLS- it's a right game trying to get something that gels without gumming up one of those three in the process), so if anyone wants to be particularly awkward about it just tell them it's on a running-in turn and ask them for definitive proof that a V3 didn't work into the area at all.   
Persons intending to travel by open carriage should select a seat with their backs to the engine, by which means they will avoid the ashes emitted therefrom, that in travelling generally, but particularly through the tunnels, prove a great annoyance; the carriage farthest from the engine will in consequence be found the most desirable.

James Harrison

#699
September 11, 2022, 05:36:36 PM
For my own part, well an oops happened. 

I'm bored, I'll just have a random look on Ebay.... (famous last words and I'm sure you can tell where this is going...)

I've ended up with a set of brass etches for a 9L or 9K class 4-4-2 tank.  I've already got one of these- in plastic- but it was sold as a 'poor runner'. 
I've also ended up with an etched brass complete kit for a 5A class 0-6-0 dock tank.  One of those 'I don't need one but I want one' things.

Work meanwhile continues on the first of my Edwardian-liveried carriages and three more- clerestories this time- arrived yesterday.   
Persons intending to travel by open carriage should select a seat with their backs to the engine, by which means they will avoid the ashes emitted therefrom, that in travelling generally, but particularly through the tunnels, prove a great annoyance; the carriage farthest from the engine will in consequence be found the most desirable.
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