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A New Fine Arts Board?

Started by J. Wilhelm, January 05, 2025, 10:40:51 PM

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J. Wilhelm

I want to forward a suggestion for renaming the Photography board to "Art Gallery" or something along of" Fine Arts and Photography," or something to include objects that would normally be in a gallery, including sculpture

The reason is that I've observed that the Photography board is under-used and fairly sparse for being an entire section, while the 2nd Art Thread is oftentimes obscured by the conventional Tactile board subjects. Sculpture can't even be found as it's spread all over Tactile in individual threads and posts.

I think that we should incorporate photography into the Fine Arts realm, given that in the last two hundred years it's evolved to the same level as painting. In the real world it's natural to have the same kind of gallery for photography, painting and sculpture. 

Why not create a proper board for the Fine Arts? All that's required is a title change!

I know that in the past we also had members who made sculptures, whether in metal or carving.  While we don't seem to have such participation after the Great Migration, I would have liked to have seen a gallery dedicated to that as well.

What are your thoughts on that?

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von Corax

Interesting idea. Let me sleep on it.
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Sir Henry

I like this suggestion.

In a couple of months I should be able to get back to making things for pleasure again and it would be nice if pottering about, looking for inspiration, could be done in one place rather than spending time searching in different sections.

It would also cut down on me getting distracted by adjacent, non-inspirational threads which is both a good and a bad thing.
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J. Wilhelm

The way I see it, this would be a thread for the art that members create, without the constraint of it being specifically steampunk. The only constraint being that it must be your own creation.  This should help member involvement in the community.

I haven't heard from our Houstonian friend Mr. Bailey, but I imagine he's still painting.

von Corax

How do you picture it being laid out? Sub-boards for photography, sculpture, 2D art, technical discussion, or perhaps some other arrangement? I assume the new board would subsume the current Photography board. The general idea certainly has merit.
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J. Wilhelm

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Quote from: von Corax on January 07, 2025, 04:30:59 AMHow do you picture it being laid out? Sub-boards for photography, sculpture, 2D art, technical discussion, or perhaps some other arrangement? I assume the new board would subsume the current Photography board. The general idea certainly has merit.

Actually yes.  There aren't that many types of fine art that we have at the moment (painting, photography, sculpture), but we could add sub boards as more subjects are added over time.

For example, I haven't heard from any member dancing Ballet or writing poetry -that I'm aware of (I may be wrong on that maybe back in 2009 we did have poets), so for now we may ignore those topics, but we could add them later, and right now we do have examples of performances like Mr. Bailey's banjo, for example, we currently have members involved in architecture, and in the past we've had sculptures made by an engineer who got involved in metal work, if I remember correctly.

According to Wikipedia,  historically, the five main fine arts were painting, sculpture, architecture, music, and poetry. Theatre and dance were then tacked on as two "subsidiary" fine arts. (Dancing being "a derivative" is weird, because that's also very primal).

Fast forwarding through history, photography IMHO also counts as a subsidiary, and technology will undoubtedly generate more categories, as we debate whether digital renders (20th C.) and AI (21st C. ) fall into the category of subsidiary genres. And noting that photography was not even considered a genre of art at all, when it emerged in the 19th C. We would be hard pressed to make such an argument today, yes?

Perhaps we could synthesize a couple of genres together, like 2 Dimensional Fine Art as you mentioned, if the Pantheon of genres is too large.  Painting, photography, and computer generated art could be 2D Fine Art.

3D Fine Art would involve sculpture, and perhaps computer rendering.

But Dance is dance, you really can't categorize it dimensionally ( unless you want to talk about 4-dimensional space-time). And I'd stick to "Poetry" as well, just to be specific, and avoid confusion with the Textual Board (in this definition of Fine Arts, a play could be Fine Art, but a novel couldn't).

So perhaps:

1. 2D Fine Art (Painting, photography, digital. All your own creation)

2. 3D Fine Art (Sculpture, Digital Rendering. All your own creation)

3. Poetry (self explanatory)

4. Music and Dance (Must be your own performance or creation)

5. Architecture (Must be your own creation)

6. Theatre (also your own performance).

von Corax

That's... ambitious.

I suggest we start simple, with (perhaps) 2D, 3D, Performative, and Technical. If traffic warrants, we can add more categories later.

What say you all?
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J. Wilhelm

Quote from: von Corax on January 07, 2025, 03:07:34 PMThat's... ambitious.

I suggest we start simple, with (perhaps) 2D, 3D, Performative, and Technical. If traffic warrants, we can add more categories later.

What say you all?

Well, that's why I wrote we could start with just a few categories.  I like "Performative as it folds dance and theatre together. Could "Design" be used for Architecture?

Sorontar

Would Design or 3d cover sculpture?
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Sir Henry

Should there be a separate category for AI-made images and videos? They can be creative, but in a very different way to the 'crafting' of human-made arts. And they seem to be gaining popularity.
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von Corax

Quote from: J. Wilhelm on January 08, 2025, 02:17:49 AM
Quote from: von Corax on January 07, 2025, 03:07:34 PMThat's... ambitious.

I suggest we start simple, with (perhaps) 2D, 3D, Performative, and Technical. If traffic warrants, we can add more categories later.

What say you all?

Well, that's why I wrote we could start with just a few categories.  I like "Performative as it folds dance and theatre together. Could "Design" be used for Architecture?

Quote from: Sorontar on January 08, 2025, 04:03:50 AMWould Design or 3d cover sculpture?

I would think both sculpture and architecture would be "3D".

Quote from: Sir Henry on January 08, 2025, 08:36:29 AMShould there be a separate category for AI-made images and videos? They can be creative, but in a very different way to the 'crafting' of human-made arts. And they seem to be gaining popularity.
That is worth considering.
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J. Wilhelm

Quote from: Sorontar on January 08, 2025, 04:03:50 AMWould Design or 3d cover sculpture?

Sculpture would be in 3D, I think, because it's an aesthetic exercise.  Architecture, while aesthetic, is also technical and functional for being design by definition, in my opinion.


J. Wilhelm

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Quote from: Sir Henry on January 08, 2025, 08:36:29 AMShould there be a separate category for AI-made images and videos? They can be creative, but in a very different way to the 'crafting' of human-made arts. And they seem to be gaining popularity.

As in entirely outside of fine arts?  My argument in another thread is that collage and AI are more similar to each other than people are willing to admit. Also, in this thread above, I point out that photography was once rejected altogether as art.  "How could the photographer be an artist if all he does is point and shoot?" Was the argument.  The answer is of course, composition.  AI also has premeditated composition, but the machine scours data sets to make and blend a collage.  Again, just my opinion.

von Corax

Quote from: J. Wilhelm on January 09, 2025, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Sir Henry on January 08, 2025, 08:36:29 AMShould there be a separate category for AI-made images and videos? They can be creative, but in a very different way to the 'crafting' of human-made arts. And they seem to be gaining popularity.

As in entirely outside of fine arts?  My argument in another thread is that collage and AI are more similar to each other than people are willing to admit. Also, in this thread above, I point out that photography was once rejected altogether as art.  "How could the photographer be an artist if all he does is point and shoot?" Was the argument.  The answer is of course, composition.  AI also has premeditated composition, but the machine scours data sets to make and blend a collage.  Again, just my opinion.

I would consider AI-generated works to be in Fine Arts, but as a separate subcategory.
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Quote from: von Corax on January 09, 2025, 05:54:23 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on January 09, 2025, 04:49:06 PM
Quote from: Sir Henry on January 08, 2025, 08:36:29 AMShould there be a separate category for AI-made images and videos? They can be creative, but in a very different way to the 'crafting' of human-made arts. And they seem to be gaining popularity.

As in entirely outside of fine arts?  My argument in another thread is that collage and AI are more similar to each other than people are willing to admit. Also, in this thread above, I point out that photography was once rejected altogether as art.  "How could the photographer be an artist if all he does is point and shoot?" Was the argument.  The answer is of course, composition.  AI also has premeditated composition, but the machine scours data sets to make and blend a collage.  Again, just my opinion.

I would consider AI-generated works to be in Fine Arts, but as a separate subcategory.

Just call it Artificial Intelligence?

Quote from: Sir Henry on January 08, 2025, 08:36:29 AMShould there be a separate category for AI-made images and videos? They can be creative, but in a very different way to the 'crafting' of human-made arts. And they seem to be gaining popularity.

I don't know if this is helpful, but here's a broad definition of Fine Arts with an explanation of how subsidiary arts were ranked (main division and subdivision).  It shows how photography and film fit into it.  Surely AI does as well in some way.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine_art

Sir Henry

Quote from: J. Wilhelm on January 09, 2025, 04:49:06 PMAs in entirely outside of fine arts?  My argument in another thread is that collage and AI are more similar to each other than people are willing to admit. Also, in this thread above, I point out that photography was once rejected altogether as art.  "How could the photographer be an artist if all he does is point and shoot?" Was the argument.  The answer is of course, composition.  AI also has premeditated composition, but the machine scours data sets to make and blend a collage.  Again, just my opinion.
I wasn't thinking of it being outside but as another subcategory. There is an art to creating using AI but I would argue that it is very distinct from human-made 2D artworks.

As you say, it isn't like photography, in that the skill of photography is composition and design, neither of which are that controllable in AI art (at least currently). But I would agree that it has a lot of similarities to collage. I'm not against all AI, I'd just rather that my artwork wasn't used by it without my knowledge/permission*.

* I just discovered that some of my art has been 'recreated' by AI in one of the Avengers movies, so it's a bit late for that. It did mess it up and got almost everything wrong, even the most basic rules, but it did try, bless it.
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Quote from: Sir Henry on January 10, 2025, 08:04:32 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on January 09, 2025, 04:49:06 PMAs in entirely outside of fine arts?  My argument in another thread is that collage and AI are more similar to each other than people are willing to admit. Also, in this thread above, I point out that photography was once rejected altogether as art.  "How could the photographer be an artist if all he does is point and shoot?" Was the argument.  The answer is of course, composition.  AI also has premeditated composition, but the machine scours data sets to make and blend a collage.  Again, just my opinion.
I wasn't thinking of it being outside but as another subcategory. There is an art to creating using AI but I would argue that it is very distinct from human-made 2D artworks.

As you say, it isn't like photography, in that the skill of photography is composition and design, neither of which are that controllable in AI art (at least currently). But I would agree that it has a lot of similarities to collage. I'm not against all AI, I'd just rather that my artwork wasn't used by it without my knowledge/permission*.

* I just discovered that some of my art has been 'recreated' by AI in one of the Avengers movies, so it's a bit late for that. It did mess it up and got almost everything wrong, even the most basic rules, but it did try, bless it.

Actually my point was that there IS composition in AI, and there's a lot more control than you think, but it varies a lot depending on the computer operator  (if you want to avoid calling them artists), and the generation of AI you use.

I'm sorry to hear you got copied with AI. That's a common grievance raised in art fora, and I read a lot of similar stories on platforms such as DeviantArt, but out of all of what I read, I get 2 impressions:

1. The worst AI offenders are not even creating a composition.  They're just pressing a button after a brief description, and they create literally thousands of pictures in a matter of days. Some are just inputting an image directly (stealing) and letting the AI change style. They're not actually composing, they're just asking the computer to iterate. Thus, they flood platforms with garbage. That's the operators' fault.

2. AI has changed a lot, and now you have "models" within each type of AI, that are original and affect the composition, thus reducing the "copy" aspects of AI.

Also, you now are at the point where AI feeds from itself, meaning that databases are robust enough to not need new input from the Internet. People don't realize that; they think every single time you push "generate," the AI has to go to the Internet to steal something similar to what you requested. Actually it never did that: training is a separate stage. And wholesale scouring of the Internet for training was true for early generations of AI. Nowadays is done with permission from the media platform where you post.  Don't post on Facebook, and X !!

And many tools now allow you t o edit your image using digital art techniques (ie GIMP+ Flux AI). I don't actually let AI do all the work.  Photoshop and GIMP now have incorporated AI into their tools set, whether that's generating a whole image or just editing a small part of an image.  That's where AI really will start blending into more traditional digital artwork.

But Traditional Artists™ aren't really even looking at how AI has changed over the last two years and exactly how operators develop composition. Basically there's no interest in the technology,  just antagonism, and depending on which platform you are, they'll just ban anyone from even displaying AI.

So it's been a very painful introduction of AI into the art community.  That's exactly how it was for photography nearly two centuries ago. That was my point.


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madamemarigold

I love the idea of a new "Fine arts Board" though I will leave the semantics of what defines the sub categories to those with more/and finer knowledge and taste than mine. It sounds wonderful.  ;D

James Harrison

I like the idea of having such a board, but I think it would have to be as part of a wider reworking of the existing boards - otherwise there's potentially a lot of overlap when you consider what content we have and where it currently is. 

Full disclosure - I have an fine arts degree (in Architecture).  Broadly, my experience at University was that academia's approach to fine art is to question the philosophy and deeper meaning behind artwork, rather than the technical side of its production.  Example - as a student the taught section of my academic timetable was about 75% lectures about architectural history or the societal framework that we function in (trying to teach how an Architect 'should' think about their work) and 25% technical aspects (by which I mean, knowledge of materials, basic structural engineering, draftsmanship and modelmaking). 

If we were to cast a new board in the context of providing an academic space for talking about what our artwork is and the thinking behind it, it would make some fascinating discussions but would it draw any interest?

Or would we want something more like has been discussed upthread and have it more like an art gallery?  I think the issue if we do that is - it's already done to an extent in the other boards (see the various artwork threads in aural-ocular, or the various sculptural works and house renovations in tactile).

 
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Quote from: James Harrison on January 22, 2025, 05:26:37 PMI like the idea of having such a board, but I think it would have to be as part of a wider reworking of the existing boards - otherwise there's potentially a lot of overlap when you consider what content we have and where it currently is. 

Full disclosure - I have an fine arts degree (in Architecture).  Broadly, my experience at University was that academia's approach to fine art is to question the philosophy and deeper meaning behind artwork, rather than the technical side of its production.  Example - as a student the taught section of my academic timetable was about 75% lectures about architectural history or the societal framework that we function in (trying to teach how an Architect 'should' think about their work) and 25% technical aspects (by which I mean, knowledge of materials, basic structural engineering, draftsmanship and modelmaking). 

If we were to cast a new board in the context of providing an academic space for talking about what our artwork is and the thinking behind it, it would make some fascinating discussions but would it draw any interest?

Or would we want something more like has been discussed upthread and have it more like an art gallery?  I think the issue if we do that is - it's already done to an extent in the other boards (see the various artwork threads in aural-ocular, or the various sculptural works and house renovations in tactile).

 

I think the point originally made was that this had been done across the other boards, but that it is currently quite scattered and unorganized, and that the desire was to get the (new) threads about sculpture, painting, photography, architecture &c. under one heading so those interested could more easily find them.
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J. Wilhelm

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Quote from: James Harrison on January 22, 2025, 05:26:37 PMI like the idea of having such a board, but I think it would have to be as part of a wider reworking of the existing boards - otherwise there's potentially a lot of overlap when you consider what content we have and where it currently is. 

Full disclosure - I have an fine arts degree (in Architecture).  Broadly, my experience at University was that academia's approach to fine art is to question the philosophy and deeper meaning behind artwork, rather than the technical side of its production.  Example - as a student the taught section of my academic timetable was about 75% lectures about architectural history or the societal framework that we function in (trying to teach how an Architect 'should' think about their work) and 25% technical aspects (by which I mean, knowledge of materials, basic structural engineering, draftsmanship and modelmaking). 

If we were to cast a new board in the context of providing an academic space for talking about what our artwork is and the thinking behind it, it would make some fascinating discussions but would it draw any interest?

Or would we want something more like has been discussed upthread and have it more like an art gallery?  I think the issue if we do that is - it's already done to an extent in the other boards (see the various artwork threads in aural-ocular, or the various sculptural works and house renovations in tactile).

 

Quote from: von Corax on January 23, 2025, 08:00:51 PM*SNIP*

I think the point originally made was that this had been done across the other boards, but that it is currently quite scattered and unorganized, and that the desire was to get the (new) threads about sculpture, painting, photography, architecture &c. under one heading so those interested could more easily find them.

I second von Corax' statements, but, at the risk of repeating something you'all know already,  I have to stress that my suggestion regarding a Fine Arts board(s) revolves around showcasing fine arts generated by *our* BG members, as opposed to external "copy and paste" material we may find on the Internet. For example, we have several boards dealing with architecture, Steampunk or not, and we have dealt with sculpture and even painting, but most of that material was not created by our members; we just do a bit of research, copy and paste.

Also hopefully another obvious statement, I want to make sure that this remains a mixed, half-on-topic and a half-off-topic segment, for the simple reason that our members don't always create Steampunk themed art. I know I don't breathe Steampunk 24/7. Some of us do Diesel, Some of us do Steam, some of us have interesting jobs and some of us are students and just draw cartoons for social media. For example, that metal sculpture I mentioned before - it was modern metal sculpture made by one of our members, who was a civil engineer turned sculptor, and whose work,  if I remember correctly, seldom was steamy or even retrofuturistic in any way. But if I wanted to find his sculptures right now, I'd have a hard time. I know he posted on Tactile, and that once he made a large armillary sphere or sundial, but that's all I remember. I don't even remember the name of the poor fellow!  So we can't really restrict the topic to Steampunk without excluding some members or at the very least making their work un-findable.

The purpose of the segment would be to have members engage one another in a way we get to know one another outside of the Steampunk realm. It's a socialization segment if you will. The need arises naturally from the nature of our posts and the fact that the Off-Topic section is so popular. I guess we could just keep our off-topic activities limited to posts in our member introduction section, but that's no way to showcase your life. It reminds me of computer data recorded on tape: you have to run the whole tape to find some specific entry, so if you don't have a table of contents, you don't know even know what data is there, let alone be able to find the entry within a reasonable period of time.

A gallery format resolves that information bottleneck. This is similar to what we did with Meta-Clubs. The subjects may or may not be frequented too much, perhaps not even for years, but if you want to read about esoteric subjects like magic (magick?), for example, you know we have a club for that, and where to find it. Hopefully, I'm not too cryptic on my description.

James Harrison

Quote from: J. Wilhelm on January 26, 2025, 11:13:59 AMI second von Corax' statements, but, at the risk of repeating something you'all know already,  I have to stress that my suggestion regarding a Fine Arts board(s) revolves around showcasing fine arts generated by *our* BG members, as opposed to external "copy and paste" material we may find on the Internet. For example, we have several boards dealing with architecture, Steampunk or not, and we have dealt with sculpture and even painting, but most of that material was not created by our members; we just do a bit of research, copy and paste.

Also hopefully another obvious statement, I want to make sure that this remains a mixed, half-on-topic and a half-off-topic segment, for the simple reason that our members don't always create Steampunk themed art. I know I don't breathe Steampunk 24/7. Some of us do Diesel, Some of us do Steam, some of us have interesting jobs and some of us are students and just draw cartoons for social media. For example, that metal sculpture I mentioned before - it was modern metal sculpture made by one of our members, who was a civil engineer turned sculptor, and whose work,  if I remember correctly, seldom was steamy or even retrofuturistic in any way. But if I wanted to find his sculptures right now, I'd have a hard time. I know he posted on Tactile, and that once he made a large armillary sphere or sundial, but that's all I remember. I don't even remember the name of the poor fellow!  So we can't really restrict the topic to Steampunk without excluding some members or at the very least making their work un-findable.

The purpose of the segment would be to have members engage one another in a way we get to know one another outside of the Steampunk realm. It's a socialization segment if you will. The need arises naturally from the nature of our posts and the fact that the Off-Topic section is so popular. I guess we could just keep our off-topic activities limited to posts in our member introduction section, but that's no way to showcase your life. It reminds me of computer data recorded on tape: you have to run the whole tape to find some specific entry, so if you don't have a table of contents, you don't know even know what data is there, let alone be able to find the entry within a reasonable period of time.

A gallery format resolves that information bottleneck. This is similar to what we did with Meta-Clubs. The subjects may or may not be frequented too much, perhaps not even for years, but if you want to read about esoteric subjects like magic (magick?), for example, you know we have a club for that, and where to find it. Hopefully, I'm not too cryptic on my description.

So, more like a meta-club sub-board for the fine arts?  Yes, sounds like a good idea.   
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Where would Interior Decoration creations go in this new arrangement?

Just asking for Mr. Harrison and myself.
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Quote from: James Harrison on January 26, 2025, 12:40:14 PM*SNIP*

So, more like a meta-club sub-board for the fine arts?  Yes, sounds like a good idea.   

Yes, something like that. The Meta section makes topics easy to find after a very long time, if you think about it.

Quote from: Sir Henry on January 26, 2025, 04:16:48 PMWhere would Interior Decoration creations go in this new arrangement?

Just asking for Mr. Harrison and myself.

Would that not be part of architectural? Although I think Mr. Harrison is much more knowledgeable on the subject.

James Harrison

Quote from: J. Wilhelm on January 26, 2025, 06:13:25 PM
Quote from: James Harrison on January 26, 2025, 12:40:14 PM*SNIP*

So, more like a meta-club sub-board for the fine arts?  Yes, sounds like a good idea.   

Yes, something like that. The Meta section makes topics easy to find after a very long time, if you think about it.

Quote from: Sir Henry on January 26, 2025, 04:16:48 PMWhere would Interior Decoration creations go in this new arrangement?

Just asking for Mr. Harrison and myself.

Would that not be part of architectural? Although I think Mr. Harrison is much more knowledgeable on the subject.

My renovation thread in particular is more interior design and construction/ conservation rather than pure architecture. I'd say it's more an example of the applied arts rather than fine. Having said that, in the long term - several years away at least, if it comes off - there is going to be an element of 'proper' architectural work in it.
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