Hey Guys just wondering, I recently had a look back at all the buildings I thought were Steamy, and was wondering, What buildings do you think are Steampunk and Why? I was hoping to get a list of them compiled together so I could go do some "research" and find something to do. Please help.
The ones I think of when I hear Steamy is the Palais des Machines and the Crystal Palace, What do you think?
What is it, though, that makes a building specifically 'steampunk' and not just Victorian or Edwardian? I can think of several buildings off the top of my head that to me just scream 'steampunk' but that would leave others thinking 'well it just has fancy ironwork'...
You may want to research the work of Viollet-le-Duc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eug%C3%A8ne_Viollet-le-Duc) and look at the Oxford University Museum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_University_Museum_of_Natural_History).
I do find that the ones that are most Steamy are the Exhibition buildings, they have that sort of atmosphere that we all want but cannot have.
Problem is, that exhibition buildings generally have an ephemeral air- here one day, gone the next. Also, again generally, because they were intended to be temporary structures they were lightly built with a focus on prefabrication- hence why the Crystal Palace was composed primarily of iron (it could be set up and taken apart like some giant prototype meccano set). Is it this fleeting atmosphere you refer to?
Of course, the one big example of such a structure surving today would be the Eiffel Tower (1889).
For my own part, I would nominate the following as having a certain SP appeal to them:
-Paddington Station, London, 1854: Brunel's iron trainshed roofs in particular. Probably one of the most intact (ie-least interfered with) major Victorian railway termini.
-Tower Bridge, London, 1894: Iron framed bascule bridge, sheathed in a mock-Medieval facade.
-Oxford University Museum, Oxford, 1860: (mentioned above) Early major example of Ruskinian Venetian Gothic, with an emphasis on decor carried out by 'peasant workmen'. Also of note due to the iron and glass roof of the courtyard.
-Sir John Soane's House, London, stages up to 1837: A complete maze of spaces and rooms filled with momentoes of Grand Tours and architectural history. A real 'Cabinet of Curiosities'.
-Crossness Engine House, Crossness, 1851 (?): Sole surviving example of enginehouses built to pump sewage out of London. Of note due to the survival of the engines themselves and the decorated iron frame.
Yes, I would say that it is a ephemeral atmosphere, however it is much more than that. It is the spirit of times lost. The exhibitions had that air, but also the other buildings/objects that fill you with the feeling. The Titanic was another that has that effect. The Pride and Decadence, Power and Feeling they invoke affects more deeply than those temporary fleeting moments. It last forever.
l've aways loved the interior of the Bradbury Building in L.A. I first became aware of it when it was used as the publishing house Jack Nicholson worked for in the film 'Wolf'
Exterior
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interior
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Oh yes, The Bradbury Building, also used to great effect in the Future Noir classic Bladerunner!
one of my favorites, though not necessarily Steampunk is the Grange, Northington:
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There will be others, bit I can't recall them at the moment...
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Here's another one I remembered:
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The main erecting shops at Crewe Works (circa 1847), photographed 1953.
This is a good example of why I asked in the second post 'what is it that makes a building steampunk?'. Because look at it. Steam locomotives. Masses of heavy industrial machinery. Lots of nice ironwork and steel framing. All of things, to me, scream 'steampunk'.
But on the other hand, it is simply a shed. A Victorian version of those awful things springing up on industrial states everywhere today.
Which brings up a query; is it what the building looks like that makes it steampunk, or more what it is used for? Or are the two ideas interchangable? Can we say one building is definitely steampunk because of its aesthetic, and another because of its function?
At the other end of the 'scale', so to speak, I could also mention Cragside:
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Built, in the late nineteenth century, for William Armstrong (of the arms company), the first house in the UK to be lit electrically and it had (has) its own hydro-electric power station in the grounds. Which fact on its own would make it steampunk in my opinion, but then the aesthetic too is very much steampunk to me.
Can you tell I studied Architecture?
I also love the aesthetic of The Carson Mansion in Eureka, California. I can't pin point why it's steampunk to me. Maybe because it's clearly inspired by large houses of the Victorian era but has been tweaked and modified just enough for it to be unique and different from other houses of the same period that it's inspired by.
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Now that is.... different. From a professional point of view I should hate it for being a pastiche, and one that does its own thing rather than being an accurate one at that. From a personal point of view however I agree with you; it has a charm and whimsy that I find pleasing.
It kind of reminds me of a life size version of one of those incredibly detailed and finely painted miniature ceramic houses people collect..
One of my my personal favourites is whiteford lighthouse:
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Built, I believe of riveted iron plates. It reminds me very strongly of the "oil rig" in the city of lost children.
Ryde Pier on the Isle of Wight is another good one; a lovely Victorian pier with what used to be a steam railway on it:
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-Matt
Not far from where I'm working, is a beautiful, bizare little cottage, with gothic windows and angled gables, completely out of kilter with the estate around it- I've taken to calling it the Addams house...
I am fortunate in that I work in Birkenhead and there are some facinating bridges around the Dock area close to where I am located.
There are also some fantastic Victorian buildings in Liverpool (Castle Street) which I have to visit occasionally, most of these I would consider comparable with Steampunk or Steampunk settings.
Quote from: Capt. Dirigible on May 04, 2012, 01:52:45 PM
l've aways loved the interior of the Bradbury Building in L.A. I first became aware of it when it was used as the publishing house Jack Nicholson worked for in the film 'Wolf'
interior
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I have seen this in another movie, recently...or TV show? This is a great building. Thanks for posting.
@matthias gladstone
Loving that lighthouse.
Asa and Harry Packer mansions, Jim Thorpe, PA
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My favourite steamy building from my area - old power plant, built in 1907 (and operational all the way until 2005!). See it here on a postcard:
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Some photos in Wikimedia Commons:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:EC1_Lodz (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:EC1_Lodz)
And the icing on the cake - a virtual walkthrough:
http://www.fototv.pl/newsy/wydarzenia/elektrownia-reloaded.html (http://www.fototv.pl/newsy/wydarzenia/elektrownia-reloaded.html)
Th Addams style house I mentioned earlier can be seen here. (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=51.372134,-0.499839&spn=0.00079,0.001405&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=51.372134,-0.499839&panoid=sCao0mXKjOgNlQCdNPlHmA&cbp=12,229.26,,0,-2.78)
That is one odd-looking oriel window.... I do like it though *steals idea for own portfolio*
I ran across this video from the UK kids program "Horrible Histories". Anyone from the UK know where either the long gallery with the bookshelves or the "Crystal Palace" type solarium space is? Or were they just CGI? In any case, quite steamy architecture to my mind!
Horrible Histories Charles Darwin Evolution song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt2gHpqfZNA#)
Quote from: Herr Döktor on May 04, 2012, 06:22:37 PM
Th Addams style house I mentioned earlier can be seen here. (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=51.372134,-0.499839&spn=0.00079,0.001405&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=51.372134,-0.499839&panoid=sCao0mXKjOgNlQCdNPlHmA&cbp=12,229.26,,0,-2.78)
Quote from: James Harrison on May 04, 2012, 06:27:42 PM
That is one odd-looking oriel window.... I do like it though *steals idea for own portfolio*
Toll house, maybe??
In any case, It's hardly Addams style.
The railings aren't sharp enough.
This one fits the bill.
http://www.freddibnahheritagecentre.co.uk/#/the-house/4562907446 (http://www.freddibnahheritagecentre.co.uk/#/the-house/4562907446)
There's the Winchester Mystery House, in San Jose, California:
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Also, looking at that mansion in Eureka, which is in an area with a lot of nice stuff, reminded me that a lot of carpenter's gothic buildings on this coast date from the late Nineteenth and early Twentieth Centuries.
Quote from: Dr cornelius quack on May 04, 2012, 09:06:57 PM
Quote from: Herr Döktor on May 04, 2012, 06:22:37 PM
Th Addams style house I mentioned earlier can be seen here. (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=51.372134,-0.499839&spn=0.00079,0.001405&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=51.372134,-0.499839&panoid=sCao0mXKjOgNlQCdNPlHmA&cbp=12,229.26,,0,-2.78)
Quote from: James Harrison on May 04, 2012, 06:27:42 PM
That is one odd-looking oriel window.... I do like it though *steals idea for own portfolio*
Toll house, maybe??
In any case, It's hardly Addams style.
The railings aren't sharp enough.
This one fits the bill.
http://www.freddibnahheritagecentre.co.uk/#/the-house/4562907446 (http://www.freddibnahheritagecentre.co.uk/#/the-house/4562907446)
Fair enough, here's a far more French Colonial style place a few miles away in Leatherhead, fit's the bill much better!
(http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=leatherhead&ll=51.292595,-0.327989&spn=0.000792,0.001405&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Leatherhead,+Surrey,+United+Kingdom&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=51.292626,-0.328091&panoid=VGa1-9dbOt0qdBVGlitWYg&cbp=12,275.38,,0,-11.61)
Just to prove we're not all 'dust bowls' and 'teepees'..
Most of downtown Guthrie, Oklahoma is historic Victorian buildings. This is the library of the local Scottish Rite Temple.
Outside...is a bit glum
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Inside...makes up for it.
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Most of downtown looks like this:
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Architect was Joseph Foucart. His De Steiguer Building (1890) shows that he certainly had a flair for turrets, spires and other exotic flourishes. Buildings are red tinged b/c they are made of native sandstone and brick. (The red dirt never really washes out of your clothes.)
Thank you, I did not expect such a quick response, Here are a few pictures from my home city of Melbourne,
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Ooops Forgot to ask what you think :)
And if you think that's a bit plain. This might cheer you up.
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I particularly like that image. Maybe it's how the light streams down from the ceiling, maybe it's because it shews the enfilade to good effect; whichever it is it just illustrates the nature of the internal space a lot better than the first-floor image above it.
For me, one candidate has got to be Bazalgette's pumping house, east London. See: http://www.crossness.org.uk/ (http://www.crossness.org.uk/)
I like Finnish version of jugendstil and art nouveau architecture. It was built to last and they used a lot of stones, thick walls and other castle like details etc. There was a lot of great looking buildings in the old days, but the general style turns more simpler after the WW2 and now they construct mostly some boring looking concrete & glass boxes. :P
There you find great pictures from older times, before they modernise all the bigger cities in here and demolished half of the good old stuff.. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1043953 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1043953)
Probably most well known finnish jugendstil building in nowadays is Helsinki central railway station:
http://www.toinenlinja.fi/fi/00282 (http://www.toinenlinja.fi/fi/00282)
http://www.hydrodry.fi/sites/hydrodry.fi/files/Kuva_rautatieasema.jpg (http://www.hydrodry.fi/sites/hydrodry.fi/files/Kuva_rautatieasema.jpg)
This old hotel near my home town is also quite delightful, because of that huge round tower. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Imatran_Valtionhotelli (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Imatran_Valtionhotelli)
Just realised, if you look up steampunk buildings on google, it will come up with Brassgoggles, and if you look at the link below, it is this thread!
Some more to add to the ranks
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That should do it for now!
Another
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QuoteIn any case, It's hardly Addams style.
The railings aren't sharp enough.
Are these?
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This is Stephen King's house. He had those railings commissioned.
I see no images, Mr. Croft.
I nominate the post-Napoleonic Palmerston Sea Forts in the Solent off Portsmouth, England (Spitbank, St. Helens, Horse Sand & No Man's Land), as well as Guy Mansell's WWII Army Forts in the Thames (Nore, Red Sands & Shivering Sands) and Mersey (which probably also had names.) Maunsell's Thames Navy Forts (Rough Sands, Sunk Head, Tongue Sands & Knock John) might also qualify.
What! Sorry Von Corax, the images were working before but must of stopped between me putting them and you viewing them
here i go again
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And this. Hope they all work,
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Here are a few from one of my favourites
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Barton Arcade (Manchester) (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=barton+arcade&hl=en&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=vy6pT9GdLonM0QXJwJiGBA&sqi=2&ved=0CIgBELAE&biw=1116&bih=626)*
*Not the best selection of photos :(
Cardiff has a number of "proper" Arcades (can't seem to find any decent photos either)
Quote from: von Corax on May 08, 2012, 11:51:51 AM
I see no images, Mr. Croft.
I nominate the post-Napoleonic Palmerston Sea Forts in the Solent off Portsmouth, England (Spitbank, St. Helens, Horse Sand & No Man's Land), as well as Guy Mansell's WWII Army Forts in the Thames (Nore, Red Sands & Shivering Sands) and Mersey (which probably also had names.) Maunsell's Thames Navy Forts (Rough Sands, Sunk Head, Tongue Sands & Knock John) might also qualify.
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I sail past them on a fairly regular basis - up close they're stunning, very evocative of the tripods out of the war of the worlds.
Quote from: MarcusJuliusCroft on May 08, 2012, 12:55:12 PM
What! Sorry Von Corax, the images were working before but must of stopped between me putting them and you viewing them
It seems to be just the walkingmelbourne.com images that aren't showing inline for me, although I can paste the URLs into a new window and open them individually. Is anyone else having this problem?
Von Corax, are any of the pictures I put up good, or are they the wrong type of thing? Just wondering if I need to fuel the boiler and start pumping pure steam into the chamber.
Quotevery evocative of the tripods out of the war of the worlds.
Except the sea forts have four legs and therefore won't fall over if they tried to walk... ;D
Quote from: Capt. Dirigible on May 09, 2012, 03:45:01 PM
Quotevery evocative of the tripods out of the war of the worlds.
Except the sea forts have four legs and therefore won't fall over if they tried to walk... ;D
Um...err...ok Ive worked it out... ;D They're mutated Tripods.
(I think we got away with that explanation)
Quote from: MarcusJuliusCroft on May 09, 2012, 12:03:16 PM
Von Corax, are any of the pictures I put up good, or are they the wrong type of thing? Just wondering if I need to fuel the boiler and start pumping pure steam into the chamber.
As far as I can tell, all the images are good. It's only the ones hosted at walkingmelbourne.com that don't show up for me, so it's possible that they don't allow their images to be cross-linked or something.
Quote from: Mercury Wells on May 09, 2012, 04:17:50 PM
Quote from: Capt. Dirigible on May 09, 2012, 03:45:01 PM
Quotevery evocative of the tripods out of the war of the worlds.
Except the sea forts have four legs and therefore won't fall over if they tried to walk... ;D
Um...err...ok Ive worked it out... ;D They're mutated Tripods. (I think we got away with that explanation)
Actually the four-legged tripods are from Venus. Or possibly Phmebe.
A few more, needs more dark wood
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It's definitely a problem with Walking Melbourne. That's the only one of the above photos that didn't show up immediately for me.
Yeah, Von Corax, it is the Walking Melbourne ones, sorry for the trouble
St. Louis is full of old brick buildings that have an industrial steamy feel. We have a handful of abandoned old breweries. Here's an example: http://63118.com/local/historic/lemp-brewery (http://63118.com/local/historic/lemp-brewery). There are also quite a few neighborhoods with victorian homes and brick multi-family flats.
Oh and this one!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/iplaid/6718279867/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/iplaid/6718279867/#)
http://peterwochniak.photoshelter.com/image/I0000dDQLwb0epKQ (http://peterwochniak.photoshelter.com/image/I0000dDQLwb0epKQ)
It's an old power station.
St Pancras Hotel, London:
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"It was built by Freelan Oscar Stanley of Stanley Steamer fame and opened on July 4, 1909, catering to the rich and famous, including the RMS Titanic survivor Margaret Brown, John Philip Sousa, Theodore Roosevelt, the Emperor and Empress of Japan, and a variety of Hollywood personalities.[2] The hotel and its surrounding lands are listed on the National Register of Historic Places."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stanley_Hotel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stanley_Hotel)
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The Bratch Pumping Station Wombourne West Midlands. Built by the Bilston Corporation in 1895
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Inside
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I have to ask too- what makes the building steampunk?
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Castling Street Heritage centre, Townsville.
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Victoria Bridge, Townsville.
Or maybe something more industrial?
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Port of Townsville rail entrance. Present line off left edge of pictures, road appears to be location of old line or truck loading trails.
Update: these buildings have been largely demolished as the port continues to be developed.
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Old Flinders Street rail workshops, Townsville.
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Current state of signal box.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mythoto/2448859618/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mythoto/2448859618/#)
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http://railgallery.wongm.com/workshops-rail-museum/F110_6979.JPG.html (http://railgallery.wongm.com/workshops-rail-museum/F110_6979.JPG.html)
Workshops museum, Ipswich.
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Former Oonoonba station building, now TDSME fun park station.
http://www.worldworksgames.com/store/media/promos/NECROBLOCK/nb11.jpg (http://www.worldworksgames.com/store/media/promos/NECROBLOCK/nb11.jpg)
The last is what I think of as "Steampunk" rather than Old School Styling that happens to fit.
Quote from: MarcusJuliusCroft on May 05, 2012, 02:17:18 PM
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When I was in there a couple of years ago, the Melbourne Town Hall still looks much the same. :)
I don't have time to dig out my photos this week though.
One place to look for buildings that may inspire steampunk thoughts is the Open House project. (http://www.openhouseworldwide.org/index.php) A number of cities around the world have a day or weekend to showcase interesting architecture to the public, from historical to modern. That's how I got to look through the Town Hall a couple of years ago.
Quote from: Horse Brass on May 14, 2012, 03:10:25 AM
Quote from: MarcusJuliusCroft on May 05, 2012, 02:17:18 PM
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When I was in there a couple of years ago, the Melbourne Town Hall still looks much the same. :)
I don't have time to dig out my photos this week though.
One place to look for buildings that may inspire steampunk thoughts is the Open House project. (http://www.openhouseworldwide.org/index.php) A number of cities around the world have a day or weekend to showcase interesting architecture to the public, from historical to modern. That's how I got to look through the Town Hall a couple of years ago.
Thank you for reminding me about that... a few years ago myself and my then employer (an architect) went to a couple of buildings for Open House London. On the Sunday we visited George Gilbert Scott's Foreign and Commonwealth Offices in Whitehall...
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Beautiful, beautiful building.
Quote from: chironex on May 13, 2012, 08:35:29 AM
I have to ask too- what makes the building steampunk?
I'd have to say that what makes a building Steampunk is simply the level of detail. If you can look at it for hours and continually find more interesting details to look at, then it qualifies. This is why, in my opinion, so much "modern" architecture and city planning gives rise to bland, arid, soulless cityscapes. A bare concrete wall is simply - a bare concrete wall. It does nothing to hold anyone's attention. Whereas the level of sheer Baroque detail in a building such as, for example, St. Pancras Station in London, rewards close attention; every detail leads on to further detail, ad infinitum almost.You could spend hours, days probably, just looking at the frontage - let alone the interior.
Athanor.
I live in San Antonio, and it's full of cool old buildings.
I'd like to nominate the Eliphalet Nott Memorial, at my alma mater, Union College, in Schenectady, NY as a prime example of steamy architecture. Nott was president of the college for 62 years(sic). It's the only 16 sided building in America and is normally called "High Victorian Gothic", with its many unusual details inside and outside, including hundreds of colored glass "illuminators" in the dome which simulate constellations.
See, eg., http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vanepsgenealogy/schenarch.html (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vanepsgenealogy/schenarch.html) or the Wiki article at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nott_Memorial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nott_Memorial)
Quote from: Dr. Nikola on May 16, 2012, 05:08:55 PM
I'd like to nominate the Eliphalet Nott Memorial, at my alma mater, Union College, in Schenectady, NY as a prime example of steamy architecture. Nott was president of the college for 62 years(sic). It's the only 16 sided building in America and is normally called "High Victorian Gothic", with its many unusual details inside and outside, including hundreds of colored glass "illuminators" in the dome which simulate constellations.
See, eg., http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vanepsgenealogy/schenarch.html (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~vanepsgenealogy/schenarch.html) or the Wiki article at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nott_Memorial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nott_Memorial)
Beautiful building, Dr. Nikola. Thank you for sharing.
I think the exterior of the Rookery Building in Chicago looks quite steamy.
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The interior was redone later on by Frank Llyod Wright, it looks decidedly less steamy.
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Quote from: Zeppelin Kapitan Fritz on May 18, 2012, 01:50:26 AM
I think the exterior of the Rookery Building in Chicago looks quite steamy.
The interior was redone later on by Frank Llyod Wright, it looks decidedly less steamy.
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I don't know about that — maybe a little less white, a little more wood... I do like the ceiling and the marble staircase.
Also in Chicago, the Tribune Tower. It was built during the diesel era but I think it could just as easily be in a steampunk universe.
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That last looks like it was built with cold-riveted girders, with cores of pure selenium...
Cheers
Chas.
Very cool pics guys! Thanks for sharing!!!!
Dorian Von Glass
A few more
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Thought I would add some more, just for the hell of it.
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Pictures I have used in the past:
1. Galleria Umberto in Naples, Italy (2005 (CC) Kalamita)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galleria_Umberto_I (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galleria_Umberto_I)
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2. Palace of Bellas Artes in Mexico City (2007 (CC) Carolina Lopez)
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3. The Eiffel Tower (2009 (CC) Benh LIEU SONG) (Click for really big picture)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiffel_Tower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eiffel_Tower)
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4. Palacio de Correos; interior staircase area (Main Post Office) Mexico City (2007, GNU Free Doc. Lic, Uwebart)
(Click link for gigantic picture)
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5. The Littlefield House outside of the Univ. of Texas at Austin (© 2007 (CC) Larry D. Moore)
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I know I'm late to the party but my vote goes to the Petersham Hotel. Replace the weathervane with some manner of evil lightning rod, find yourself an Igor and you're in business. There's a great picture here. http://www.foodepedia.co.uk/articles/2011/dec/petersham_christmas_menu.htm (http://www.foodepedia.co.uk/articles/2011/dec/petersham_christmas_menu.htm) I've also been enamored with Battersea Power Station for quite awhile. Development plans have come and gone but alas, my dark little heart gets broken every time. Currently Chelsea Football Club is threatening to trash the place. I honestly hope they don't manage it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Battersea_Powerstation_-_Across_Thames_-_London_-_020504.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Battersea_Powerstation_-_Across_Thames_-_London_-_020504.jpg)
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I had classes in this edfice. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedral_of_Learning
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Could also be a dream lair ...err Home for some of us.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on July 10, 2012, 12:48:18 AM
5. The Littlefield House outside of the Univ. of Texas at Austin (© 2007 (CC) Larry D. Moore)
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Oh that place is fantastic. I've seen it before but not in such a great picture..
Quote from: Capt. Dirigible on July 19, 2012, 08:09:09 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on July 10, 2012, 12:48:18 AM
5. The Littlefield House outside of the Univ. of Texas at Austin (© 2007 (CC) Larry D. Moore)
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Oh that place is fantastic. I've seen it before but not in such a great picture..
Yes, I've used that picture several times (desktop background for my steamed laptop). The building has passed through several hands including a sorority, fraternity and now it's used as an office :-\ Although I believe the place is well maintained by the university. Note the red hand-carved limestone blocks mixed with fired brick (a type of coral-limestone which is almost extinct now in favour of yellow limestone in Texas -a consequence of marine transgressive-regressive cycles during the Phanerozoic, Cenozoic and Paleozoic eras).
Lieutenant George Washington Littlefield was an important financial contributor when the university was founded in 1883, and being a former Confederate soldier he had a reputation for being eccentric.
Legend has it that he made his servants illuminate the garden at night from the second balcony for fears of a new Yankee invasion ::) He instituted the rule that all main entrances to college buildings and statues should face the south!!! The rule was rescinded later in the 20th. C. but as a result we have a lot of South-facing entrances at the university!!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Littlefield_house_2007.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Littlefield_house_2007.jpg)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Littlefield (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Littlefield)
Victoria Barrackes and Fort Nepean
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I really love the sense of drama and occassion the Victorians and Edwardians managed to design into the spaces inside their buildings; their use of double height spaces, wide arch spans, rich materials, elaborate carvings harking back to an earlier age.... something that today tends to be costed out by jobsworth accountants at the 'sketch' stage of the design.
Here is Sydney there are plenty of great old buildings but one of my favourite locations is the Glebe Tram Sheds.
It's where old trolleys went to die after motoring lobby groups brought an end to the light rail network. It's a popular haunt for the homeless and the artistic.
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It's a great fusion of old and new and is a favourite location of edgy photographers...
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Another great location is the White Bay Power Station overlooking Sydney harbour.
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It was used extensively in Baz Lurhman's recent Great Gatsby shoot and looks great inside!
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I really want to shoot a short film in there one day!
And while I'm on a roll....
The old Galdesville Pychiatric Hospital down the street from me boasts some fantastic old Victorian ruins amid still functioning sandstone buildings.
The old garden folly is beautifully overgrown these days. It looks like a ruined church and boasts a small arched stone door cut into the rock wall at the rear... I'll get some pix of my own down there one day soon.
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There's also an old ruined stair in the bush that leads to nowhere... This is the only pic I could find but it's beautiful and very spooky!
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A few more, and like I said at the beginning all rights go to the people behind these photos. I have not taken any of them, They have just been reposted from interesting websites I have found.
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And a favourite
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BRADBURY BUILDING
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradbury_Building (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradbury_Building)
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the covered slip #3 at Chatham Dockyard has always done nice things to me - Awesome space!
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Boggo Road Gaol Museum:
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The development of the complex from Victorian times to the closure on the completion of the new prison is painfully obvious. You can see newer parts just stuck on.
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I have decided since I have exhausted efforts in buildings, to begin adding features and objects I would find in a steampunk city. I invite anyone to add anything they please, as long as it is appropriate.
M.J. Croft
These should be included in the collection I think:
1. The "Cathedral" from one of the most steampunk movies made the 1995: "The city of the lost children" by Jeunet & Caro (if you have not got the dvd already go and get it). In 2005 this piece of the set apparently still stood on the backlot of the Pathé Joinville Studios in France:
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The Neverwas Haul which qualifies as both a house and a vehicle:
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Hmm... D'you suppose that Cathedral set could be disassembled and moved? ;)
Quote from: James Harrison on May 04, 2012, 06:27:42 PM
That is one odd-looking oriel window.... I do like it though *steals idea for own portfolio*
As an architect of -- what would you call your style? -- you might enjoy James Gurney's website. He illustrated 'Dinotopia,' which has the amazing Waterfall City in it, and he travels the world sketching arches and unique corners of buildings. He reports that there are plaster models of many such features in museums around the world which have outlived the structures themselves. He incorporates these ideas in his paintings. A really appealing style called Imaginative Realism which looks a lot like your drawings of concepts.
Dinotopia 'First Flight' includes a lot of machinery that looks like ultimate Steampunk to me.
Hi Von Corax,
Exactly what I was thinking. I checked on Google Earth, but the "Cathedral" was not visible anywhere on the studio complex. As apartment buildings are visible in the background it must have stood on the south side.Search for Rue Hugede Joinville in "Maps" and you can see for yourself. :'(
This structure hails from the Midwestern USA, Indianapolis, Indiana to be precise, Indianapolis Union Station a former train terminal.
The property was revived in the mid-1980s as a retail shopping arcade but failed with in a decade, it's now home to the offices of the Mexican Embassy.
During it's brief stint as a retail arcade I worked there as a member of the security-safety department, one of our duties was patrolling the labyrinth of steam tunnels and coal-car/freight wagon tunnels far below street level. Talk about serious adventuring and getting paid for such.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_Union_Station (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_Union_Station)
Found this pic this morning. It's not a modern picture, and I'm not quite sure if it qualifies as a building (though it was definitely built) but I'm posting it anyway.
London Underground, 1890's
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I'm guessing it's changed a bit since.
OK, First of all of the features I am going to add are the Trams, very good ways to get around the City centre
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Reviving my lost thread, not posted in for 120 days aye? Forum you shall not beat me.
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Quote from: MarcusJuliusCroft on August 13, 2012, 08:40:17 AM
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reminded me of this
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That underground picture posted by Aleister Crow is very recognisable - not a lot has really changed.
Have a look at this recent photo from the London Underground, taken in 2013
could be 1899 if it wasn't for the security cameras
(https://i.imgur.com/HkHAtmU.jpg)
and this:
(https://i.imgur.com/GvVxwxQ.jpg)
re: Aleisiter Crow's B&W underground image - this shows that it is basically the same, new adverts perhaps and a concrete platform.
(https://i.imgur.com/8kbyB8D.jpg)
I'm not sure if you can get a more steampunk-looking building than Cardiff castle, remodelled extensively by the Victorians inside and out.
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but Cragside is truly steampunk, being beautiful and having all the electricity in the building generated by water-driven turbines back in 1870...
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read on McDuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cragside (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cragside)
I woo'd my girlfriend, now my wife, when she lived in the turret of this building, the gatehouse of Friar Park, Henley-on-Thames, the main house of which was the home of George Harrison, Beatle.
I've climbed up the drainpipe of that turret many times in the distant past to get my evil way... mwaahhhaaahhhah.
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and here is the main house where George lived...
http://meetthebeatlesforreal.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/a-different-view-of-friar-park.html (http://meetthebeatlesforreal.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/a-different-view-of-friar-park.html)
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I couldn't find a good photo of the main house so a model will have to do. The house has an artificial underground lake and carvings of Monks heads either side of the doors. The house also has a scale model of the matterhorn, not a 1/76th scale model as this one but a very small man-made mountain that you can climb... 30-40 feet high.
For your consideration, allow me to submit the Bishop's Palace (originally known as Gresham's Castle) built between 1887 to 1893 in Galveston, Texas. It is one of the few buildings to have survived the Great Storm, a hurricane that essentially submerged the entire island one night in 1900.
http://www.galvestonhistory.org/1892_bishops_palace.asp (http://www.galvestonhistory.org/1892_bishops_palace.asp)
http://www.austinareaphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Bishops-Palace-Galveston-HDR.jpg (http://www.austinareaphoto.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Bishops-Palace-Galveston-HDR.jpg)
http://www.galvestonhistory.org/2007press/Bishops_Palace.jpg (http://www.galvestonhistory.org/2007press/Bishops_Palace.jpg)
http://texaslesstraveled.com/3263fce0.jpg (http://texaslesstraveled.com/3263fce0.jpg)
(Having less technical savvy than the rest of you, I was unsuccessful in copying the pictures here. I'm hoping the above work as a hyper-link. If not, please Google it; it is truly gorgeous.)
A bit of a misnomer calling it a 'palace' but a fine townhouse nevertheless.
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I wasn't originally sure if it was steampunk enough being mainly horror-gothic to my mind, but no, looking at the interior it definitely qualifies. English style lower windows (sensible), French roof and turrets (mad), American chimneys (insane), Romanesque details around the upper windows (yucky), strange-leaf capitals on the columns with a mock baronial portal, and a cast iron verandah. A weird mix of styles resulting in an almost French chateau without much Frenchness. Strange to say but I am glad I don't live in it.
Ah, well, no one ever accused one of our robber barons (Mr. Gresham was a railroad tycoon, after all) of subtlety when constructing their homes...
On an entirely related note, however, I submit the following link which has come to my attention recently:
http://io9.com/grand-steampunk-homes-and-businesses-straight-from-the-476668111 (http://io9.com/grand-steampunk-homes-and-businesses-straight-from-the-476668111)
While this may be off-topic (but only just a bit; as I understand it, we are discussing actual non-steampunk homes that meet the aesthetic regardless), I am encouraged that there are those who are extending the aesthetic into their homes. Do be sure to watch the included video.
GCCC, I tried to make the topic as open as possible, to get more out of it. Really, all it is is buildings which may be considered steampunk, there is really no limits, go ahead and put anything you want down.
Why, thank you, good Sir! I shall (within reason, of course), take you up on your kind offer.
I love the term "Robber Baron", it seems to sum up the type of man very succinctly.
Just out of curiosity, is there a term for that sort of fellow on your side of the pond? I'd love to hear it.
Quote from: GCCC on April 23, 2013, 04:34:21 PM
Just out of curiosity, is there a term for that sort of fellow on your side of the pond? I'd love to hear it.
There is: "Rachmanism"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Rachman
Just liken people to Crassus, then that takes care of all quarters.
I was reading one local newspaper today and noticed very nice looking jugendstil villa in property sale adverts. I just search it online and find quite nice pictures and more information from it.
http://kuluttaja.etuovi.com/kohde/9543478 (http://kuluttaja.etuovi.com/kohde/9543478)
Texts are only Finnish, but click that "Avaa kuvat uuteen ikkunaan (21 kpl)" link and you see more larger pictures.
It was build for some general Nils Weckman in 1897-1900 who give it to his wife for silver wedding anniversary gift, when finland was still only a Grand Duchy of Russian Empire. It was turned also to hotel after 1960. Just amazing wood cut art in those balconies and also the tiled fire places are real eye candy.
It's located only 80 kilometers from my own house, but i can see only dreams living in real jugendstil palace like that.. Price is almost four million euros.. ;D
It is cheap at the price. What a setting! Find some partners and make it into a hotel again, so we can come and stay in it. Thank you for showing this magnificent place.
(It is interesting to note that real estate salesmen look the same the world over!)
The best castle in the world ever. Picturesque from every angle . It opens up the wild steampunk imaginings
Castle Eltz
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A few UK ones,
Oxford Natural History Museum: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1433/536511345_c1f0a0e289.jpg (http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1433/536511345_c1f0a0e289.jpg)
Papplewick Pumping Station: http://www.spectacle.co.uk/spectacleblog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/BPSpapplewick-pumping-station-2.jpg (http://www.spectacle.co.uk/spectacleblog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/BPSpapplewick-pumping-station-2.jpg)
Tyntesfield (not so much steam punk but a slice of Gothic awesomeness: http://www.dayvisits.co.uk/_img/pics/l_tyntesfield.jpg (http://www.dayvisits.co.uk/_img/pics/l_tyntesfield.jpg)
Ditto, the Royal Masonic School: http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a346/msaunder1972/Royal%20Masonic%20School/MBS054.jpg (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a346/msaunder1972/Royal%20Masonic%20School/MBS054.jpg)
Battersea Power station: http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh36/cogitooo/battersea/7.jpg (http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh36/cogitooo/battersea/7.jpg)
All of those most steamy and I've visited them all. Lovely choices.
Quote from: MarcusJuliusCroft on May 04, 2012, 11:05:38 AM
Hey Guys just wondering, I recently had a look back at all the buildings I thought were Steamy, and was wondering, What buildings do you think are Steampunk and Why? I was hoping to get a list of them compiled together so I could go do some "research" and find something to do. Please help.
The ones I think of when I hear Steamy is the Palais des Machines and the Crystal Palace, What do you think?
I find Paris a very Steampunk city - the Musée des Arts et Métiers is so steampunk that even the local metro station is steamed out. The Eiffel Tower - a SP icon surely? In the UK, I submit Battersea Power Station. There's loads!
Quote from: Antonus Fudge on January 01, 2014, 07:46:46 PM
Quote from: MarcusJuliusCroft on May 04, 2012, 11:05:38 AM
Hey Guys just wondering, I recently had a look back at all the buildings I thought were Steamy, and was wondering, What buildings do you think are Steampunk and Why? I was hoping to get a list of them compiled together so I could go do some "research" and find something to do. Please help.
The ones I think of when I hear Steamy is the Palais des Machines and the Crystal Palace, What do you think?
I find Paris a very Steampunk city - the Musée des Arts et Métiers is so steampunk that even the local metro station is steamed out. The Eiffel Tower - a SP icon surely? In the UK, I submit Battersea Power Station. There's loads!
Sadly a number of pictures posted by the OP have now vanished, due to the prolonged duration of this thread....
Yes, the Eiffel Tower is about as steamy as you can get, and anything in the late 1800's period in Paris will lend itself very well, I'd say. I gave previous examples of the Galleria Umberto I in Naples and a couple of really steamy locations in Mexico City. Really the world is full of steamy buildings if you care to look for them.
Hello J.Wilhelm, nice to join in a conversation with you. A nice place to copy/post images is the steampunk empire:
http://www.thesteampunkempire.com/photo/photo/listForContributor?screenName=3cmvo7pqvfgib (http://www.thesteampunkempire.com/photo/photo/listForContributor?screenName=3cmvo7pqvfgib)
They allow you load unlimited amount of images into your own account and they host them for free so we can post images there and they should stay.
You may know about it already but it is worth pointing out to those that don't.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 13, 2014, 05:39:19 AM
Hello J.Wilhelm, nice to join in a conversation with you. A nice place to copy/post images is the steampunk empire:
http://www.thesteampunkempire.com/photo/photo/listForContributor?screenName=3cmvo7pqvfgib (http://www.thesteampunkempire.com/photo/photo/listForContributor?screenName=3cmvo7pqvfgib)
They allow you load unlimited amount of images into your own account and they host them for free so we can post images there and they should stay.
You may know about it already but it is worth pointing out to those that don't.
Hello old friend! Indeed I do. Well I didn't lose my photos (I often host them in my business Yahoo acct.) But it looks like Mr. Croft's splendid Australian architectural photos were decimated by Father Time. I'll pass the info along!
J. W.
Hahaha, Sorry Guys, I have finally managed to get internet back. Yeah, I noticed that the photos disappeared but haven't been able to do anything about it. My mistake and I apologise for it.
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Queens Royal College, a historic secondary school in Port of Spain, Trinidad.
just saw this school on npr http://www.npr.org/blogs/ed/2014/05/29/316989869/the-future-of-online-ed-isnt-heading-where-you-expect (http://www.npr.org/blogs/ed/2014/05/29/316989869/the-future-of-online-ed-isnt-heading-where-you-expect)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on April 15, 2013, 12:57:49 AMbut Cragside is truly steampunk, being beautiful and having all the electricity in the building generated by water-driven turbines back in 1870...
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read on McDuff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cragside (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cragside)
I've not visited Cragside in years, and the title of this thread made me immediately think of what is my dream house. If I had the money for it, I'd build something very similar, down to the hydroelectricity and the hydraulic lift.
It really should be on everybody's list of places to see in the UK.
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"Blue Skylight, Pele's Castle, Romania photo via lonehunter"
(In case the image disappears again, here's the url: http://fi.cloud-nodes.com/list.images.i.352177253974901.ws (http://fi.cloud-nodes.com/list.images.i.352177253974901.ws))
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Somewhere in San Francisco.
http://thevoyaging.tumblr.com/post/53756817376/dark-colors-san-francisco-california-photo-via (http://thevoyaging.tumblr.com/post/53756817376/dark-colors-san-francisco-california-photo-via)
I agree with painting the old house in pretty colours... but those colours just aren't right. Then again, in the next suburb over there is an old-style house in a typical north Australian style painted dead black with mirrors stuck all over it...
Just had to go back, if this thread is to be kept current, and fix some of my links.
Also:
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The Sweatshop offered art and refreshments, and is no longer there. I shall go and update this shot this weekend.
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It actually was a bank...
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Originally Tattersalls' Hotel, now Molly Malones' not-so-authentic Irish pub that just happens to look like an Australian pub.
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An even less authentic Irish pub - which was a bank, then hosted a signals unit during the Second World War, then taken by the meat workers' union, now Flynns'.
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Bowral Station, NSW.
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Flinders Street Workshops, Townsville.
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The old Great Northern Railway station, Townsville.
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My construction of the Ghost House from Ravensblight Manor.
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I got my Diploma of IT here.
I shall add some more soon.
Ive maybe posted this before but this is in central Lille.
On the lighter side of SP.
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Customs House. Note the observation turret to spot incoming ships.
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Queens Hotel, Townsville.
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Was a bank...
Seeing a pattern here?
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A girls' school in Brisbane, the oldest structures of which are across the other side of the cutting.
Has anyone mentioned Aviva's head office on Surrey Street, Norwich ?
Designed by George Skipper, it is claimed that much of the marble used was originally intended to be used in the Houses of Parliament.
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More images to be found via: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=marble+hall+norwich+aviva&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&biw=1285&bih=730&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CDQQsARqFQoTCOq_0Kqdi8cCFUlXFAodR5YM5Q#imgrc=1KclzZTr1Wix6M%3A (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=marble+hall+norwich+aviva&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&biw=1285&bih=730&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CDQQsARqFQoTCOq_0Kqdi8cCFUlXFAodR5YM5Q#imgrc=1KclzZTr1Wix6M%3A)
I'd agree on the last. Some of the other recent Antipodean buildings seem to me to be examples of stock Victorian types, not really that special. I suppose that is because we have such a huge stock of Victorian buildings that they seem normal over here. My local town centre consists of nothing but buildings prior to that time (as do many British market towns):
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I think a building needs to be 'special' and not just Victorian to be steampunkish.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on August 03, 2015, 10:56:13 AMMy local town centre consists of nothing but buildings prior to that time:
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I know that place - Pass through there every time I use the X44.... (small world). :D
I have just moved within the last three weeks and I need a recommendation for a good pub... There are the two in the town centre but I need better recommendations nearby. Feel free to recommend and I'll buy you a pint.
My house is Georgian so it pre-dates steampunkiness but give me time - it will have elements.
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Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on August 03, 2015, 04:48:03 PMI need a recommendation for a good pub...
The Black Boys is the only pub in Aylsham I'm familiar with, and it has been a very long time since I've been inside. Don't drink as much as I used to, so pubs are not places I go to regularly.
Not every odd of novel building could be classified as steampunk, but here is a whimsical building of recent vintage that I could imagine existing amongst other eccentric structures in a steampunk setting:
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The famous Chicken Church of Indonesia.
http://io9.com/this-bizarre-abandoned-church-is-shaped-like-a-giant-ch-1722062035 (http://io9.com/this-bizarre-abandoned-church-is-shaped-like-a-giant-ch-1722062035)
The Queensland Building, Flinders Street, Townsville.
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Queensland-Building-551319269?ga_submit_new=10%253A1438746917 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Queensland-Building-551319269?ga_submit_new=10%253A1438746917)
The aforementioned update.
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Commercial-Buildings-551319892?ga_submit_new=10%253A1438747152 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Commercial-Buildings-551319892?ga_submit_new=10%253A1438747152)
The back street side of Customs House.
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Back-of-customs-house-551320769?ga_submit_new=10%253A1438747367 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Back-of-customs-house-551320769?ga_submit_new=10%253A1438747367)
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Michigan Fieldstone Building: Leonidas School, Leonidas, Michigan.
http://myqualityday.blogspot.com/2014/09/michigan-fieldstone-leonidas-school.html (http://myqualityday.blogspot.com/2014/09/michigan-fieldstone-leonidas-school.html)
These stones were not cut; they were pulled out of a farmer's field; deposited there by glaciers during the last ice age. The rocks are of varied types originating from great distances away.
Fieldstone buildings are not as common in Michigan as might be expected based on the cheap availability of the materials. Building from these stones requires a greater degree of skill than the local construction industry seems to be willing to pay for. And among the few such buildings I've seen, the level of design seen in the Leonidas school is uncommon. I do recall seeing one fieldstone storefront building, probably about a century old, that had decent architectural detail including archway windows.
Not as elegant as some of the other structures seen in the thread but does possess the pedigree to qualify as steampunk, at least by it's age.
The Aviary Apartments as it was commonly known but officially titled the Avery building, is a three story brick monstrosity in downtown Indianapolis, built after the American Civil War it's an example of urban architecture of the times.
Myself, I lived there as a child from 1960 to 1972, the building was steam-heated and had an original coal-fired boiler, updated to natural gas in the 1940s, or so I am told.
More recently the building was gutted and now hosts yuppie apartments which completely obliterated the original floor-plan.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8464/8137344595_63c9abda5c_o.jpg)
Did this building ever go by a different name, before it was Avery Apartments?
Quote from: GCCC on August 17, 2015, 04:15:12 PM
Did this building ever go by a different name, before it was Avery Apartments?
This looks about right: http://bypearl.com/the-aviary/ (http://bypearl.com/the-aviary/)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbypearl.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F06%2Ffront2.jpg&hash=ae5d64fb56341a3c66c606b5fd7a82088506282d)
In looking for the above building, came across this one...
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhistoricindianapolis.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F02%2Fimage-2.jpeg&hash=87e947f0aa136f5c0bbf03e56fdc78d082fd3abb)
Full story here: http://historicindianapolis.com/whats-in-a-name-vajen-exchange-block/ (http://historicindianapolis.com/whats-in-a-name-vajen-exchange-block/)
Quote from: Serrac on August 18, 2015, 10:48:32 AM
Quote from: GCCC on August 17, 2015, 04:15:12 PM
Did this building ever go by a different name, before it was Avery Apartments?
This looks about right: http://bypearl.com/the-aviary/ (http://bypearl.com/the-aviary/)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbypearl.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F06%2Ffront2.jpg&hash=ae5d64fb56341a3c66c606b5fd7a82088506282d)
Well, that's the problem with assumptions; of the two spellings supplied, I picked the wrong one as the one I thought was misspelled...
Thanks!
The problem is, I
still can't find out anything about the building's history. It looks like the best I can do is write to the neighborhood association and ask them for help.
Quote from: Serrac on August 18, 2015, 10:48:32 AM
In looking for the above building, came across this one...
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhistoricindianapolis.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F02%2Fimage-2.jpeg&hash=87e947f0aa136f5c0bbf03e56fdc78d082fd3abb)
Full story here: http://historicindianapolis.com/whats-in-a-name-vajen-exchange-block/ (http://historicindianapolis.com/whats-in-a-name-vajen-exchange-block/)
That's gorgeous. Too bad they only salvaged the facade, but
man, that's a good-looking facade...
Quote from: Serrac on August 18, 2015, 10:48:32 AM
Quote from: GCCC on August 17, 2015, 04:15:12 PM
Did this building ever go by a different name, before it was Avery Apartments?
This looks about right: http://bypearl.com/the-aviary/ (http://bypearl.com/the-aviary/)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbypearl.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F06%2Ffront2.jpg&hash=ae5d64fb56341a3c66c606b5fd7a82088506282d)
Okay, I just tried a different tactic. Instead of searching for the "Aviary Building"/"Apartments" or "Historical Buildings Indianapolis" I typed in the address. Depending on the realtor's website you check, it was built in either 1910 or 1911.
For anything more than that, I'd probably still have to contact the neighborhood association.
Several days ago I visited a place so vast and labyrinthine that it was to have steampunk places within in just out of shear chance. I had been told that it was an amazing children's museum, but it was far beyond my expectations. Here is the heart of the City Museum in St. Luois:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a0/d1/3d/a0d13d9b8b925d78f1b2326a9e6f3c34.jpg)
The museum has a few regular exhibits of historic and artistic interest, the the bulk of the ten-story former warehouse is dedicated to mazes, walkways, tunnels, and slides, and giant works of art that you can climb on and explore. Imagine that you had millions of dollars and all the best architectural detail and industrial structures from every historic building recently demolished in a large metropolitan area, and you hired bohemian artists and structural engineers to build a giant playland.
The above image is of the secret 10-story atrium, filled with spiral staircases and spiral slides. The basement and first floor contain an artificial cave with cave formations shaped like dinosaurs and fantasy creatures. Somewhere around the second and third floors there is a full-size cathedral pipe organ in a locked cage with the pipes suspended above. There is a ten-story slide somewhere in that atrium but I didn't get to it.
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The rest of the building is more modern; the mazes extend to the outside and onto the roof ten stories above:
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.planetware.com%2Fphotos-large%2FUSMO%2Fmissouri-st-louis-city-museum.jpg&hash=80e356942bc7b02bcc3c72819bb838c7bcc72fde)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi591.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fss357%2Fcountondowntown%2FDowntown071709004.jpg&hash=ad44ae0fbc502b547cb54b617d4ee26f1ecc7a94)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhotdigitalnews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F08%2FThe_whale.jpg&hash=c3d3efcfce8518123e3faecbc9fac429cc08ad6f)
WoW!
WOW and double WOW! That looks like a great place to visit.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/150/434109773_fd3a0b65b4_b.jpg)
The Nickels Arcade in Ann Arbor, Michigan.
This is what the exterior looks like:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Nickels_Arcade.jpg)
This glass-roofed pedestrian business strip was built in a century ago by local businessman Tom E. Nickels. The design was inspired by similar buildings that Nickels has seen in Europe. The walkway is lined with shops on both sides, with offices on the second floor. Shoppers can go from business to business without suffering any bad weather.
The sidewalks on the open ends of the arcade have glass circles that are lit from underneath at night. There is a freight elevator that emerges from a metal hatch in the sidewalk.
Alfred Taubman, credited with inventing the indoor shopping mall, studied architecture at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor and certainly must have been familiar with the Nickels Arcade.
Quote from: RJBowman on August 26, 2015, 02:12:34 AM
Several days ago I visited a place so vast and labyrinthine that it was to have steampunk places within in just out of shear chance. I had been told that it was an amazing children's museum, but it was far beyond my expectations. Here is the heart of the City Museum in St. Luois:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a0/d1/3d/a0d13d9b8b925d78f1b2326a9e6f3c34.jpg)
The museum has a few regular exhibits of historic and artistic interest, the the bulk of the ten-story former warehouse is dedicated to mazes, walkways, tunnels, and slides, and giant works of art that you can climb on and explore. Imagine that you had millions of dollars and all the best architectural detail and industrial structures from every historic building recently demolished in a large metropolitan area, and you hired bohemian artists and structural engineers to build a giant playland.
The above image is of the secret 10-story atrium, filled with spiral staircases and spiral slides. The basement and first floor contain an artificial cave with cave formations shaped like dinosaurs and fantasy creatures. Somewhere around the second and third floors there is a full-size cathedral pipe organ in a locked cage with the pipes suspended above. There is a ten-story slide somewhere in that atrium but I didn't get to it.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F41.media.tumblr.com%2Ftumblr_lbstq2bHhj1qaenuco1_500.jpg&hash=3b08a6032c40ed3381e54a9e6b0074e9282c36cd)
The rest of the building is more modern; the mazes extend to the outside and onto the roof ten stories above:
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.planetware.com%2Fphotos-large%2FUSMO%2Fmissouri-st-louis-city-museum.jpg&hash=80e356942bc7b02bcc3c72819bb838c7bcc72fde)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi591.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fss357%2Fcountondowntown%2FDowntown071709004.jpg&hash=ad44ae0fbc502b547cb54b617d4ee26f1ecc7a94)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhotdigitalnews.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F08%2FThe_whale.jpg&hash=c3d3efcfce8518123e3faecbc9fac429cc08ad6f)
The staircases look like some architecture by Antoni Gaudi
Arcades are fairly common over here in grand and not so grand forms, extension of the idea of the covered market, you'll probably recognise this from Harry Potter:
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I prefer an arcade to a mall any day of the week. An arcade is a private and inviting covered street, lit by gas or electric with a character. Curved arcades are not uncommon here as they add excitement as to what is just around the corner.
Here is another in Birmingham, City Arcade.
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1232/1037160683_afa90131a7_o_d.jpg)
Birmingham has more than one! The Great Western Arcade.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedias.photodeck.com%2F48e56eca-efec-11e2-8bc2-d52a25e833b6%2F15CH1205_116_xlarge.jpg&hash=33729eb512adbc77218ec4e34801ca698a706178)
An arcade is a wonder - Malls are soulless horrible places. If you shop in a mall - curse you!
Just reviewed this whole thread from the beginning - it contains some really fine and fascinating buildings from around the world. One of the best threads on this forum - It should be compulsory reading.
Blackfriar's Tavern in London, Blackfriars.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tubewalker.com%2Fimages%2Fdistrict%2Fvictoria_to_bow_road%2Fsource%2Fvictoria_to_bow_road120.jpg&hash=dee6267c8e867372eb6b74f5fdb4565de8aeeb11)
See this image in full height and in all its glory here:
http://www.tubewalker.com/images/district/victoria_to_bow_road/source/victoria_to_bow_road120.jpg (http://www.tubewalker.com/images/district/victoria_to_bow_road/source/victoria_to_bow_road120.jpg)
Doesn't get much more steamy than this.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbeerlens.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F12%2FBlackFriar990.jpg&hash=63b70dcd90276ee4c61965a15524bd0ed15d1d02)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quirkytravel.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F03%2Fblack-friars.jpg&hash=da6fd10f4f3a460a950a5a9eb6248179807d61fb)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpre01.deviantart.net%2F5645%2Fth%2Fpre%2Ff%2F2014%2F280%2F4%2F3%2Fcounty_arcade_victoria_quarter_leeds_by_kippa2001-d81yvbb.jpg&hash=5cc70a10abf97de5d1f15e74baefc024fbf95f08)
County-Arcade-Victoria-Quarter-Leeds
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpre12.deviantart.net%2Fb605%2Fth%2Fpre%2Ff%2F2014%2F217%2F8%2F1%2Fst_george_s_hall_by_kippa2001-d7ts7re.jpg&hash=cb1d5bf4bb080dc7540b0c5fe3c38775fa0afe6e)
St George's Hall. Located in Liverpool, Merseyside, England, UK.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Forig07.deviantart.net%2Fffe8%2Ff%2F2014%2F254%2F4%2F4%2Fst_giles_church_by_kippa2001-d7yt4xa.jpg&hash=522764c5d7741589d6b26a96cd1e82178fd6ad4b)
St Giles' RC Church. Located in Cheadle, Staffordshire, England, UK.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Forig07.deviantart.net%2F6f80%2Ff%2F2015%2F274%2F1%2Fb%2Fmiller_arcade_by_kippa2001-d9bknu0.jpg&hash=c6a1e33a143c47e1aa0e4ba813e9375ae5dc41e3)
Miller Arcade. Located in Preston, Lancashire, England, UK
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Forig02.deviantart.net%2F2f40%2Ff%2F2014%2F092%2F5%2Fc%2Fcastle_howard_the_great_hall_by_kippa2001-d7csjms.jpg&hash=7e19cc18ebfdbfb0f1c5d7f88373d242df33364d)
Castle Howard The-Great-Hall
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Forig02.deviantart.net%2F6e15%2Ff%2F2015%2F063%2F3%2F9%2Fleeds_central_library_by_kippa2001-d8kdd9r.jpg&hash=861db9e504b600ee988a04a1208ab16e93f7ba1a)
Leeds Central Library. Located in Leeds, Yorkshire, England, UK.
Find the original photos here:
http://kippa2001.deviantart.com/ (http://kippa2001.deviantart.com/)
Need...to...take...a...trip.
*drool*
Here are more to make you drool...
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi65.tinypic.com%2F117xorc.jpg&hash=652b2aefc96bb61d59870303e45f2812edc1b3d9)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi67.tinypic.com%2F29fxe84.jpg&hash=ec6db4d0234363963fb93b5b4bdeafca55d02be7)
Oxford museum of natural history - right click and select View image to see these in full.
Fantastic! :o
The Natural History Museum London - right click and view image.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.nationalgeographic.com%2Fwpf%2Fmedia-live%2Fphotos%2F000%2F616%2Fcache%2Fnatural-history-museum-london_61644_990x742.jpg&hash=ef9d30aa7b772872b61a1e8f6ee595064732c4b9)
I took an official Townsville City Council heritage trail, and made a folder for the images. I have added some that aren't on the trail but if you take it you can't miss them, as well as skipping some because they had customers who may not be happy (though I usually blot faces and number plates out) and others because they are peoples' houses.
Anyway, here is trail 3, South Townsville and Port:
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57178197/South-Townsville-heritage-walk (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57178197/South-Townsville-heritage-walk)
See if there is anything steamy in there.
Quote from: chironex on December 21, 2015, 11:57:48 AM
I took an official Townsville City Council heritage trail, and made a folder for the images. I have added some that aren't on the trail but if you take it you can't miss them, as well as skipping some because they had customers who may not be happy (though I usually blot faces and number plates out) and others because they are peoples' houses.
Anyway, here is trail 3, South Townsville and Port:
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57178197/South-Townsville-heritage-walk (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57178197/South-Townsville-heritage-walk)
See if there is anything steamy in there.
Australia does have distinctive architecture from that era. The Queenslander type ; a style based on the buildings of the more tropical corners of the empire. Fabulous design in even the humblest of homes from the 1800s.
Custom House Townsville
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ozatwar.com%2Fozatwar%2Fcustomshouse01.jpg&hash=812f85edb8ade9d0b9328510c015d73ad4d6789d)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bonzle.com%2Fh%2Fa%2Ft%2Fl%2F54ay3.jpg&hash=e4d7892dbddedbd704d800091b5a5ce199571a52)
Supreme Court house [ ad original customs house]
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.sclqld.org.au%2Fimg%2Fcontent%2Fshglhc%2Fimage%2520gallery%2Fcourthouse-townsville%2Fcourthouse-townsville-001.jpg&hash=e39e6a482332b2c51211c358aff9f8188f13f9ec)
http://www.townsville.qld.gov.au/facilities/parks/Documents/WE%20Cemetery%20Trail%203%20LR.pdf (http://www.townsville.qld.gov.au/facilities/parks/Documents/WE%20Cemetery%20Trail%203%20LR.pdf)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queenslander_(architecture) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queenslander_(architecture))
https://federation-house.wikispaces.com/Queenslander+Tropical+styles (https://federation-house.wikispaces.com/Queenslander+Tropical+styles)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d2/41/60/d241605f748fd3a2bed8cd3cff65bd5a.jpg)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthebuilderswife.com.au%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F09%2F1897b394ccb6d4576f01847a239b42c6.jpg&hash=1aa343076fec893a64446b6fbc03ffe7b8c4d326)
(https://62e528761d0685343e1c-f3d1b99a743ffa4142d9d7f1978d9686.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/51248/width668/ns3khkh5-1402966159.jpg)
I must admit I like the Colonial-style corrugated iron buildings. They are really quite rare in the UK as corrugated iron has been disparaged as poor quality building material just because it was once so very common. That is not really fair as the combination of cast iron supports/columns and corrugated iron can make an interesting building. I used to live in South Africa and the humblest buildings were made from the same material. So few of them exist as many have been demolished. Whole areas of Colonial Western-style single-story shops with verandahs have been demolished - Diagonal Road was one with many old shops that no longer exist.
Those buildings look fascinating and really worth exploring.
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on December 26, 2015, 08:26:25 PM
Quote from: chironex on December 21, 2015, 11:57:48 AM
I took an official Townsville City Council heritage trail, and made a folder for the images. I have added some that aren't on the trail but if you take it you can't miss them, as well as skipping some because they had customers who may not be happy (though I usually blot faces and number plates out) and others because they are peoples' houses.
Anyway, here is trail 3, South Townsville and Port:
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57178197/South-Townsville-heritage-walk (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57178197/South-Townsville-heritage-walk)
See if there is anything steamy in there.
Australia does have distinctive architecture from that era. The Queenslander type ; a style based on the buildings of the more tropical corners of the empire. Fabulous design in even the humblest of homes from the 1800s.
And more. That folder alone has a serious anachronism stew of styles, ranging from post-WW2 concrete brick to Spanish mission. Being a relatively new country, we have our own style by now, but half the world (as well) brought their styles here too.
Here are two other trails mentioned in Council leaflets:
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57243065/Early-Townsville-Walk (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57243065/Early-Townsville-Walk)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57242939/Civic-Pride-Walk (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57242939/Civic-Pride-Walk)
And some more that I find on my travels:
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57244562/historical-buildings (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57244562/historical-buildings)
That last one WILL be added to.
Quote from: chironex on December 28, 2015, 10:33:50 AM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on December 26, 2015, 08:26:25 PM
Quote from: chironex on December 21, 2015, 11:57:48 AM
I took an official Townsville City Council heritage trail, and made a folder for the images. I have added some that aren't on the trail but if you take it you can't miss them, as well as skipping some because they had customers who may not be happy (though I usually blot faces and number plates out) and others because they are peoples' houses.
Anyway, here is trail 3, South Townsville and Port:
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57178197/South-Townsville-heritage-walk (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57178197/South-Townsville-heritage-walk)
See if there is anything steamy in there.
Australia does have distinctive architecture from that era. The Queenslander type ; a style based on the buildings of the more tropical corners of the empire. Fabulous design in even the humblest of homes from the 1800s.
And more. That folder alone has a serious anachronism stew of styles, ranging from post-WW2 concrete brick to Spanish mission. Being a relatively new country, we have our own style by now, but half the world (as well) brought their styles here too.
Here are two other trails mentioned in Council leaflets:
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57243065/Early-Townsville-Walk (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57243065/Early-Townsville-Walk)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57242939/Civic-Pride-Walk (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57242939/Civic-Pride-Walk)
And some more that I find on my travels:
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57244562/historical-buildings (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/57244562/historical-buildings)
That last one WILL be added to.
There was such attention to detail back then. Real craftsmanship .
I lived in Perth Australia for a year or so and the one thing I noticed was although the older buildings had a similar plan to New Zealand homes; there was more intricate detail and style features, and adaptions for the Australian heat. It may have been also stronger continental influence.
These have been preserved by the National Trust:
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I think they said that was a tug captains' house?
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Note the outer wall around what was probably a verandah. This tended to happen to an awful lot of houses in this style after the discovery that terrible plagues are carried by mosquitoes.
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"Currajong" (not to be confused with the suburb of Currajong, which is nowhere near the place, the house having been built in Pimlico and moved to the current site in West End without ever being in Currajong unless the trucks stopped there for some reason) was built by a character by the name of Rooney, the site of whose sawmill and factory near Rooney's Bridge in Railway Estate I visited yesterday, though there is no evidence apart from rubble forming the bank, barely-visible cracked concrete and a bit of railway line that has been left there. The house contains a bookshelf the company built for the old courthouse, thought to be the oldest surviving piece made in Townsville.
Also used as a hospital during WW2, and has changed shape somewhat due to pieces being removed. The not-exactly-surgical chainsaw wound not withstanding.
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Great Northern Railway Station, Townsville.
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McCartins Auctions, formerly a freight house. Clearly they don't actually use that freight platform, it's just a rotting leftover piece.
The old colonial railway station . They always look haunted
Luckily we still have a few of those over here:
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Sherringham Station.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 03, 2016, 03:01:08 AM
Luckily we still have a few of those over here:
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Sherringham Station.
That is a charming and quaint station.
Those colonial stations are mirrored from our country halts.
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Holt Station Norfolk.
yes our colonial stations were a copy of the proud edifices in the old country . Sadly many were made out of wood , roading took over while train travel dwindled and many of our fine structures went to ruin.
Along side the tracks the Railways company built houses for its workers . These houses were named " Railways Houses" and developed an undesirable reputation as slum housing. They were allowed to go fallow and were often abandoned.
In recent years they have become sought after as removable homes and real estate , as often happens. Near here a set of houses were readied for sale by the local authority. It was discovered that some time in the last few decades that one was missing and must have been stolen.
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/culture/we-call-it-home/outside-the-mainstream (http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/culture/we-call-it-home/outside-the-mainstream)
http://www.renovate.org.nz/bungalow/other-1920s-building-styles/railways-cottage/ (http://www.renovate.org.nz/bungalow/other-1920s-building-styles/railways-cottage/)
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Rimutaka Incline circa 1890
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They look gorgeous - strange how styles and buildings go into and out of fashion.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 03, 2016, 05:58:37 AM
They look gorgeous - strange how styles and buildings go into and out of fashion.
There is so much we take for granted as cute and quaint that an older generation cringe at and have memories or feelings of dismal drabness
This installation was built to a standard Victorian pattern, and once housed the North Queensland Military Museum, I don't know what they are going to do with the space now.
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/On-the-roof-of-the-Magazine-446750188 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/On-the-roof-of-the-Magazine-446750188)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/steps-to-the-magazine-446750885 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/steps-to-the-magazine-446750885)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Defying-the-Storm-2-446749991 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Defying-the-Storm-2-446749991)
Quote from: chironex on January 03, 2016, 09:38:00 AM
This installation was built to a standard Victorian pattern, and once housed the North Queensland Military Museum, I don't know what they are going to do with the space now.
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/On-the-roof-of-the-Magazine-446750188 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/On-the-roof-of-the-Magazine-446750188)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/steps-to-the-magazine-446750885 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/steps-to-the-magazine-446750885)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Defying-the-Storm-2-446749991 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Defying-the-Storm-2-446749991)
Military installations are intriguing buildings
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Steamy? perhaps earlier than steamy, perhaps medieval-y. Norwich Castle.
Now a local fort, Roman to be exact.
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A contrast between the mechanical and the ancient and warlike... an old fort.
Not steamy at all - but a good castle, local to me. I am sure we could make it steamy given a contraption here and there upon the walls.
(https://universalstonedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/framlingham-castle-wallpaper.jpg)
Castles have a steampunk flavour all their own
What would a mad scientist be with out his castle
Those last three places are all local to me and I can visit them whenever I want... lucky chap me.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 04, 2016, 01:26:07 AM
Those last three places are all local to me and I can visit them whenever I want... lucky chap me.
You are blessed indeed !
I went for a long walk today and here are a few choice pieces:
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Old-Townsville-Courthouse-582328572 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Old-Townsville-Courthouse-582328572)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Weatherboard-Gothic-582334230 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Weatherboard-Gothic-582334230)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/potters-house-582332950 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/potters-house-582332950)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Sacred-Heart-Landscape-582322877 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Sacred-Heart-Landscape-582322877)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Holy-Blending-582322342 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Holy-Blending-582322342)
Not steam era, but...
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Photo from D.L. Hudson's department store in Detroit; date unknown, but certainly prior to the mass-merchandised packaged toy stores of today. Does anyplace have archways or display cases like this any more?
Harrod's Food Hall, properly steamy
(https://foodyourlife.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/harrods-london2-580.jpg)
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Harrod's Clothing Department:
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I want to go back to those times and just look at everything!
Those are how Harrod's looks now, you can go and look whenever you want. Just buy a ticket to the UK.
All the images I have posted are how the places look today.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 10, 2016, 03:04:00 PM
Those are how Harrod's looks now, you can go and look whenever you want. Just buy a ticket to the UK.
All the images I have posted are how the places look today.
That glory of older buildings insitu amoungst us , is something those of us in the colonies have no chance to appreciate. Most buildings are less than 100 yrs old and made of wood, including those built by native peoples and colonists in these countries. They don't stand up to the elements over time. The old is quickly knocked down for the new.
In Europe and the larger sub continents of Africa, India and the Middle East , there are buildings that have stood longer than there has been people in New Zealand [about 700 yr ]
My local church is older than that, dates from 1100 approx. One of my local pubs has had people drinking in it regularly since before 1066. See earlier photos in this thread of the "Royal Standard of England" in Forty Green - I just carry on the tradition by drinking there.
New Zealand is only the other side of the world, you can always get a ticket to ride and come and tour the old world. Sounds as if you'd enjoy yourself.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 10, 2016, 11:33:26 PM
My local church is older than that, dates from 1100 approx. One of my local pubs has had people drinking in it regularly since before 1066. See earlier photos in this thread of the "Royal Standard of England" in Forty Green - I just carry on the tradition by drinking there.
New Zealand is only the other side of the world, you can always get a ticket to ride and come and tour the old world. Sounds as if you'd enjoy yourself.
One day....I do enjoy the books of pictorial works ...
One more, from inside the Workshops Museum:
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Bondwood-hut-585374130 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Bondwood-hut-585374130)
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These platelayers huts were/are all over Britain by the sides of railway lines.
We used to use one by the mainline at Henley-on-Thames for late night drinking after the pubs had shut early (so we could win the 1st world war - this was the early 80s).
We'd light a fire in the grate and close the door and have a smoky sing song with cider and good proper beer and play games until the early morn, listening to the trains pass and the dawn chorus arriving.
Added a few:
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Early-Townsville-Buildings-586157930 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Early-Townsville-Buildings-586157930)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Commercial-Building-586157456 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Commercial-Building-586157456)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Brick-Building-2-586157033 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Brick-Building-2-586157033)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Brick-structure-1-586156782 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Brick-structure-1-586156782)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Drill-Hall-586156428 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Drill-Hall-586156428)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Great-Northern-Hotel-Flinders-Street-View-586155449 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Great-Northern-Hotel-Flinders-Street-View-586155449)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Great-Northern-Hotel-Outside-1-586155937 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Great-Northern-Hotel-Outside-1-586155937)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Great-Northern-Hotel-Outside-2-586156169 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Great-Northern-Hotel-Outside-2-586156169)
Have a look at this chaps whole gallery for steamy, steampunk buildings:
http://kippa2001.deviantart.com/ (http://kippa2001.deviantart.com/)
Start from the beginning and work to the end.
His gallery IS THIS THREAD.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 23, 2016, 02:54:14 PMStart from the beginning and work to the end.
I tried, but the over-use of HDR coupled with distorted perspective put me right off. He has probably snapped some wonderful buildings....
The distorted perspective is the result of a fish-eye lens that allows you to capture much more of the scene than would normally be the case. As a result the images are much more encompassing and a lot more dramatic. Raising the contrast merely increases the drama.
The point here is less about the images but the story they tell. They dramatically capture the buildings and present them in a steamy, surreal slightly steampunk fashion.
Some photos from Bethlehem and Fountain Hill PA.
Blast furnace remains:
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Former Lehigh Valley Railroad Headquarters
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Charles Schwab (ex Bethlehem Steel CEO) Mansion
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The building of confectionery factory "Red October". Before the revolution the firm "einem". Built in 1890-ies.
Located in the heart of Moscow, on the island.
Now there are offices, shopping and exhibition space. But I also bought chocolate in the store at the factory.
At night in the walkway between buildings, thoughts of Jack the Ripper.
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(https://www.ridus.ru/images/2014/3/7/160176/large_67aa4b0b0b.jpg)
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Not industrial, or mechanical, or futuristic, or grand, but has interest and some beauty. Here is an article full of early twentieth century photos of bars in Detroit:
http://detroit.curbed.com/archives/2014/05/historic-happy-hours-centuryold-images-of-detroit-bars.php (http://detroit.curbed.com/archives/2014/05/historic-happy-hours-centuryold-images-of-detroit-bars.php)
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Victoria Park Hotel, Boundary Street, South Townsville.
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Butcher shop next to the Victoria Park Hotel. Restored and now a wine cellar.
It seemed improper to shoot these personally, so I used Streetview:
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Shops in Allen Street, South Townsville.
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This house, built in 1913, was Townsvilles first display home. It was also the first to be assembled from concrete prefabricated units.
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1890s workers house, named Kerngoo.
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Unusually-styled 1917 workers house.
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Postwar Hollywood-style house, with a rooftop pool deck. This has been built over as it was deemed to be impractical.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia1.agfg.com.au%2Fimages%2Flisting%2F40272%2Fgallery%2Fherveys-range-heritage-tea-rooms-hervey-range-restaurants-1.jpg&hash=f8333e12e742fbcda4b5cebba7e98566565ddc5c)
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Herveys Range Heritage Tea Rooms (formerly the Eureka Hotel.)
The Detroit bar shots and Townsville homes are all full of character
something has been lost in modern construction techniques
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on February 14, 2016, 06:46:07 AM
The Detroit bar shots and Townsville homes are all full of character
something has been lost in modern construction techniques
Mass produced structures built from stock plans are cheaper, and also possibly easier to get past the building inspectors. Inflexible building codes are, I am fairly certain, a major contributor to the blandness of architecture in recent times.
Quite correct. Over this side of the pond we used large timbers to support structures, sometimes ships timbers that had been used for another task and were shaped to fit. Using them as load bearing objects changed their shape and the effect of settling had to be taken into account. Sometimes it didn't work and house ended up being mis-shapen. Not strictly steampunk but dating well-before the period we emulate, some cottages that over time have 'settled' more than the original builders expected:
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The top one is not the result of some strange camera angle, it is really like that.
Building codes did not and could not apply at these times, you built with what you could drag out of the ground, you shaped it with your hands. The result was aesthetically pleasing and 'human'.
Type "lavenham half timberered houses" into Google and you'll see more. These are quite close to where I live.
Definitely steamy with regard to time and period but they look a lot older, Victorian gargoyles in a distinctly medieval style:
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Gargoyles on the Palace of Westminster (right click and view image to see it larger).
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Brand new gargoyles on the abbey.
Quote from: RJBowman on February 14, 2016, 10:20:56 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on February 14, 2016, 06:46:07 AM
The Detroit bar shots and Townsville homes are all full of character
something has been lost in modern construction techniques
Mass produced structures built from stock plans are cheaper, and also possibly easier to get past the building inspectors. Inflexible building codes are, I am fairly certain, a major contributor to the blandness of architecture in recent times.
Sadly economy of scale and mass production have driven the modern building industry
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on February 15, 2016, 11:30:58 AM
Quite correct. Over this side of the pond we used large timbers to support structures, sometimes ships timbers that had been used for another task and were shaped to fit. Using them as load bearing objects changed their shape and the effect of settling had to be taken into account. Sometimes it didn't work and house ended up being mis-shapen. Not strictly steampunk but dating well-before the period we emulate, some cottages that over time have 'settled' more than the original builders expected:
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The top one is not the result of some strange camera angle, it is really like that.
Building codes did not and could not apply at these times, you built with what you could drag out of the ground, you shaped it with your hands. The result was aesthetically pleasing and 'human'.
Type "lavenham half timberered houses" into Google and you'll see more. These are quite close to where I live.
That is something missing in the Antipodes . Older structures that have stood the test of time. The base of those medieval and Tudor homes may have been there longer than there has been humans in New Zealand.
I am a keen follower of British restoration tv shows- especially the ones about country estates.
Finding furniture to fit into some of those rooms must be rather difficult.
A corner where all three surfaces are askew from each other must mean the wardrobe, bed, dresser, etc all have to free stand out from the walls and waste even more space.
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on February 15, 2016, 03:46:38 PM
That is something missing the Antipodes . Older structures that have stood the test of time. The base of those medieval and Tudor homes may have been thereon ger than there has been humans in New Zealand.
I am a keen follower of British restoration tv shows- especially the ones about country estates.
Good to hear it. Building regulations prevent buildings like this from ever being built today... but luckily we have plenty of the old ones still extant. This is the feathers in Ludlow, I have sipped tea there regularly. Ludlow was a family holiday destination.
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Quote from: Fairley B. Strange on February 15, 2016, 03:56:19 PM
Finding furniture to fit into some of those rooms must be rather difficult.
A corner where all three surfaces are askew from each other must mean the wardrobe, bed, dresser, etc all have to free stand out from the walls and waste even more space.
Our houses have always been like that and it is NO trouble at all. An old house is a character in itself and anything you place in it, if it is sympathetic, is enhanced by its surroundings. Walls are generally straight in a 'human' sense, they may not actually be straight but it makes almost no difference if there is 1/2" of gap at the bottom of a cabinet and 2 inches at the top.
Sometime you will put up a shelf and make it dead straight using a bubble level and you will find it looks wrong. You set it by hand so it looks right and it degrees out. Everything you mount/place or set up must be in line with the walls. Use Einstein to help with the layout, everything is relative...
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on February 15, 2016, 04:07:42 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on February 15, 2016, 03:46:38 PM
That is something missing the Antipodes . Older structures that have stood the test of time. The base of those medieval and Tudor homes may have been thereon ger than there has been humans in New Zealand.
I am a keen follower of British restoration tv shows- especially the ones about country estates.
Good to hear it. Building regulations prevent buildings like this from ever being built today... but luckily we have plenty of the old ones still extant. This is the feathers in Ludlow, I have sipped tea there regularly. Ludlow was a family holiday destination.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FOSItTQm.jpg&hash=1d7fd3fd714fb623dadc7654b0fdc40a0b7d69eb)
Quote from: Fairley B. Strange on February 15, 2016, 03:56:19 PM
Finding furniture to fit into some of those rooms must be rather difficult.
A corner where all three surfaces are askew from each other must mean the wardrobe, bed, dresser, etc all have to free stand out from the walls and waste even more space.
Our houses have always been like that and it is NO trouble at all. An old house is a character in itself and anything you place in it, if it is sympathetic, is enhanced by its surroundings. Walls are generally straight in a 'human' sense, they may not actually be straight but it makes almost no difference if there is 1/2" of gap at the bottom of a cabinet and 2 inches at the top.
Sometime you will put up a shelf and make it dead straight using a bubble level and you will find it looks wrong. You set it by hand so it looks right and it degrees out. Everything you mount/place or set up must be in line with the walls. Use Einstein to help with the layout, everything is relative...
Back in the ye olde day people didn't have many possessions, even the well off . There would have been hooks and trunks for clothing and linen.
New Zealand is on several large fault lines down its length. There is very strict codes. Most pre 1940 buildings don't meet the modern codes and after recent earthquakes some will have to be demolished , including those in areas not affected by quakes. The steel reinforcement required would be cost prohibitive and ruin the character of such homes.
which is no excuse for the squat ugly stucco and fibro dwellings blotting the landscape
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Galleria Vittorio Emanuele II Milan
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Hungarian Parliament Building Budapest.
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Antwerp Railway Station.
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Arts & Metier Tube Station
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Brussels townhouses
Unsure as to whether to call this Abandoned or Steamy Steampunk Buildings. This seems to be part of a building in Fremantle, Western Australia which was left there as decoration when the rest of it was demolished to make parking space.
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Fremantle is a cool place for steampunk.
That just depresses me.
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Old state treasury building, Brisbane.
I feel better now.
The Victorians knew how to build a facility for pumping sewage...Crossness Pumping Station:
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and this is Crossgate Pumping Station
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and this is Abbey Mills:
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It is rather important to keep that sewage flowing...
Right click and view image to see larger versions of the bottom two images, they are much more impressive in larger form.
This paltry offering is the modern replacement to Abbey Mills...
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But after that misery you'll need something to restore your faith, this should do it:
Markfield Road Sewage Pumping Station, Tottenham, London. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUK_2B0LPkE&nohtml5=False#)
Papplewick Pumping Station.
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Steam Pumping Station Papplewick - Nottingham (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x44cEw2tMY0&nohtml5=False#)
Final addition, Kempton Park Pumping Station:
Kempton Park Big Triple Steam Engine Starting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhlJp1VZMB8&nohtml5=False#)
All of that was awesome, thank you!
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on December 26, 2015, 08:26:25 PM
http://www.townsville.qld.gov.au/facilities/parks/Documents/WE%20Cemetery%20Trail%203%20LR.pdf (http://www.townsville.qld.gov.au/facilities/parks/Documents/WE%20Cemetery%20Trail%203%20LR.pdf)
I took the cemetery walks today.
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/58569214/Early-Townsville-Women (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/58569214/Early-Townsville-Women)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/58568770/Early-Townsville-Burials (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/58568770/Early-Townsville-Burials)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/58568276/Necropolis-Hotel (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/gallery/58568276/Necropolis-Hotel)
Thanks uncle bert, that was indeed 'awesome'.
These sites deserve to be well supported and more widely known.
That said, Mrs Trellis and I shall be attending the forthcoming shindig at Papplewick on the 10th July, and hope to see you all there.
Lots of very cool structures!
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Olsen-House-623852545?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=1 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Olsen-House-623852545?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=1)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Part-of-building-623852199?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=2 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Part-of-building-623852199?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=2)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Dome-623851875?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=3 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Dome-623851875?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=3)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Verandah-of-building-623840638?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=5 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Verandah-of-building-623840638?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=5)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Tank-623840318?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=6 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Tank-623840318?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=6)
Australia does have some groovy older heritage buildings. It's a good thing they have preserved them .
Hmmmm...
Yes the UK has far older buildings that are really groovy. Older than there has been houses in the Antipodes .
Just caught this on NPR
http://www.npr.org/2016/08/25/489457490/belle-of-the-mall-saving-smithsonian-s-jewel-like-arts-and-industries-building (http://www.npr.org/2016/08/25/489457490/belle-of-the-mall-saving-smithsonian-s-jewel-like-arts-and-industries-building)
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"Belle Of The Mall: Saving Smithsonian's Jewel-Like Arts And Industries Building"
I am sure this has been posted before but it is the UK's equivalent of the Smithsonian I suppose. This is just a part of the Natural History Museum:
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See the gargoyles scuttling up the left side.
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Right click, view image to see the larger sized images.
Kings Cross St. Pancras Hotel
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This is part of the old engine shed rebuilt to take the stresses and loads of the huge engine shed arch, 500,000 handmade bricks, 5mm pointing, modern structure copied the old structure in form, footprint, shape and detail. Combination of the old and the new. We forget that is how Victorian buildings would have looked when new...
(https://limetec.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/St-Pancras-loading-1-1200x750.jpg)
The above image shows only the retaining wall, a whole hotel has been constructed above that new wall in the same Victorian style as the old hotel. If I can find a good picture of it I'll post it here. For the moment though here is the frontage of King's Cross St. Pancras. You'll know it as the station that Harry Potter used to catch the train to Hogwarts (they used the exterior of Stt. Pancras and the interior of the other station across the road, platform 9 & 3/4.
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Right click and view image to see full size photo which is MUCH more impressive.
This is rather a good site that tells you all about the restoration: http://www.manhattanloft.co.uk/projects/st-pancras-renaissance-hotel-restoration/ (http://www.manhattanloft.co.uk/projects/st-pancras-renaissance-hotel-restoration/)
Finally, a lovely picture of the hotel/station:
(https://www.kingscross.co.uk/img/790x444/src/media/P_KXC_TPA_KXA_N362_kxweb-800x450.jpg)
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1024w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2016/08/03/Style/Images/St%20Pancras%20International%20station%20-The%20Betjeman%20Statue1470258183.jpg?uuid=vwtDSFm9EeaLSAyzRCIRMQ)
and Sir John Betjeman who loved the building and was instrumental in saving it.
I went to Hervey Bay over the weekend, and this is just the start of what I found:
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Slab-shed-633071538?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=0 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Slab-shed-633071538?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=0)
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http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Pialba-Memorial-Hall-633060143?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=2 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Pialba-Memorial-Hall-633060143?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=2)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Pialba-Memorial-Hall-633059564?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=3 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Pialba-Memorial-Hall-633059564?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=3)
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http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Pialba-railway-station-633048900?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=10 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Pialba-railway-station-633048900?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=10)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Eaves-633050261?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=8 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Eaves-633050261?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=8)
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http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Slab-House-633423798?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=1 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Slab-House-633423798?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=1)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Slab-hut-633423698?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=2 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Slab-hut-633423698?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=2)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Slab-house-633423518?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=3 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Slab-house-633423518?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=3)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg08.deviantart.net%2F2a7b%2Fi%2F2016%2F252%2Fd%2Fb%2Faccutt_cottage_by_thoughtengine-dah0wto.jpg&hash=3301056bd2507f5e4de37861a45f7d80052b9ae0)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Church-and-vestry-633257670?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=5 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Church-and-vestry-633257670?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=5)
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http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Dundowran-State-school-633254846?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=8 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Dundowran-State-school-633254846?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=8)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Goodwood-Station-633254146?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=9 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Goodwood-Station-633254146?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=9)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/bathing-hut-633252080?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=13 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/bathing-hut-633252080?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=13)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Accutt-Cottage-633237374?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=19 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Accutt-Cottage-633237374?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=19)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Accutt-Cottage-633236612?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=20 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Accutt-Cottage-633236612?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=20)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/slab-house-main-room-633232895?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=23 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/slab-house-main-room-633232895?q=gallery%3Athoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=23)
Not necessarily the most steampunk in immediate appearance but this image does show a working combination of modern and new architecture. I am sure it has been mentioned before but Poundbury is a modern English town built to existing and functioning working architectural styles (no stupid flat roofs nor boxy sheds that make up most modern town designs) that is meant to create a living town that feels 'right' to live in, friendly and human in scale.
It is meant to create a living and breathing English town with all the amenities of a modern town and all the modern technologies for heating, communications &c.
Everything you see here is more or less brand new.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2F7xzZPvT.jpg&hash=0d2e74e2c15b1990691531b359309f406d885b2a)
(right click and view image for a bigger version)
It looks like England and it is England, complete with village store, town hall and pub but none of this is more than 10 years old despite looking as if it has buildings that have encompassed the 1700s to the 20th century. The town is still being developed to this day and in the same traditional English styles. The only way you can tell they aren't old is the fact that everything is just a little too clean and straight and the complete lack of mature trees. Most English towns have mature trees everywhere.
This link will take you to the centre of Poundbury via Google maps.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.712099,-2.4658532,3a,75y,211.91h,78.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssBpIJ9DUnWU5P2tz_FyAFg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.712099,-2.4658532,3a,75y,211.91h,78.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssBpIJ9DUnWU5P2tz_FyAFg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
The new town abuts the old town of Dorchester and connects to it via the old 1950s housing estate (which is very bad in comparison) Poundbury is really is worth looking around and it shows what can be done with some control over developers.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FnSLEDpN.jpg&hash=df489efc64a2798abd988f6a71be57353134eeba)
There really is no need to live in the modern crap that builders foist upon us - it is down to us to determine what we want to live in.
Like the idea - Poundbury looks like a great place to live for anglophile! ;D
You can visit it next time you are here...
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on September 26, 2016, 12:00:40 PM
You can visit it next time you are here...
Will have to be when/if the permanent move is made - trips to Ireland are only for 3 weeks on average, and I still don't get to see everything I would like to see!
But I will keep it in mind, unclebert.
What do you make of this bizarre thing?
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi85.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk56%2Fthoughtengine%2Fstrand%2520house%25202_zpsoaatvggt.jpg&hash=d42b4d22585cd0f85b4d2daae255fc75b61f24ca) (http://s85.photobucket.com/user/thoughtengine/media/strand%20house%202_zpsoaatvggt.jpg.html)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi85.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk56%2Fthoughtengine%2FStrand%2520house%25201_zpsduql9bdq.jpg&hash=bb763ce11e1946877773b2788857731d2706b2a3) (http://s85.photobucket.com/user/thoughtengine/media/Strand%20house%201_zpsduql9bdq.jpg.html)
The Hotel Sea-View:
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fpre12.deviantart.net%2F43f1%2Fth%2Fpre%2Fi%2F2017%2F114%2Fa%2F1%2Fhotel_sea_view_by_thoughtengine-db71kh2.jpg&hash=3cbcfa3bfd9a642a300b0c54980c2d35439eab56)
The house looks like a bog-standard two-storey Queenslander someone has tried to turn into an Italianate villa - something that's hard to do with pitched tin roof with overhanging eaves!
Not exactly steampunk, top one just a villa with pretensions, a balcony and a balustrade does not a steampunk make...
Bottom one looks a tadge late 20s, 30s art deco to me, the curve gives it away. Steampunk, hmmmmm, no.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on October 15, 2016, 02:50:03 PM
Not exactly steampunk, top one just a villa with pretensions, a balcony and a balustrade does not a steampunk make...
Bottom one looks a tadge late 20s, 30s art deco to me, the curve gives it away. Steampunk, hmmmmm, no.
1. Unless your definition of steampunk runs away with the last syllable and ends up in Ork mek territory.
2. We've featured Art Deco on this thread before, I'm sure.
Quote from: chironex on October 17, 2016, 08:21:26 AM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on October 15, 2016, 02:50:03 PM
Not exactly steampunk, top one just a villa with pretensions, a balcony and a balustrade does not a steampunk make...
Bottom one looks a tadge late 20s, 30s art deco to me, the curve gives it away. Steampunk, hmmmmm, no.
1. Unless your definition of steampunk runs away with the last syllable and ends up in Ork mek territory.
2. We've featured Art Deco on this thread before, I'm sure.
I believe the second edifice is some kind of Chrononautical artifact - as a young chap I can vaguely recall losing whole Sunday afternoons in that place only to reappear at 05-too-bleedin-early Monday morningwith a thumping headache... damn time travel...
Quote from: chironex on October 17, 2016, 08:21:26 AM
2. We've featured Art Deco on this thread before, I'm sure.
Art deco of the real art deco type is truly steampunk but the later art deco as practised in the 30s is a bit 'naff'.
Real art deco as seen in the low countries:
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fartnouveau.pagesperso-orange.fr%2Fimg%2Fbrux%2Fstrauv_l.jpg&hash=d00945f9dfe19c367bcf742b10ecc6369a78aa7d)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fartnouveau.pagesperso-orange.fr%2Fimg%2Fbrux%2Fcauchi_l.jpg&hash=1143852a61f49cb30bc06c102535e3079b637b57)
That boat thing...
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/33/c5/5a/33c55acb27eaae52c587cbd17510d2b0.jpg)
British and Imperial art deco is not even really art deco, it is really just modernism with some curves...
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2009/11/12/1258026981680/Liverpools-former-Speke-A-001.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=024039ece3d7e0e6e1618cbc1819d6e4)
Art Deco as a term is abused and spans a variety of building styles, some are good and deserving of the epithet, others are just not really art deco and certainly not steampunk.
This is a good article that shows the difference between real art deco and the real thing.
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2009/nov/12/art-deco-bbc-architecture (https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2009/nov/12/art-deco-bbc-architecture)
So, it evolved a bit. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Deco)
That first image looks more like Art Nouveau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Nouveau)!
(https://ambulance.qld.gov.au/heritage/slide12.jpg)
The cathedral is still there, but little else.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fqueenslandplaces.com.au%2Fsites%2Fqueenslandplaces.com.au%2Ffiles%2Fimagecache%2Fwatermarked%2Fexhibits%2Fslides%2FUQ171437.jpg&hash=3c4a52e5ca717d63fb8ac7d5f72e11b42ba3d711)
Image from 1979, building burned down in the '80s and is now a carpark, some ruins can still be seen there.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/StateLibQld_1_124799_Victoria_Street_on_Thursday_Island,_ca._1910.jpg)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmaps.bonzle.com%2Fh%2Fy%2F5%2Fk%2Fvfk0n.jpg&hash=ebe247b832ad81f786720c8dfb7a0b6c3051450e)
Thursday Island.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbonzle.com%2Fh%2F7%2Fn%2Fo%2F1e17v.jpg&hash=de5f6190183a434e00327a84a93f845f4cdbd5ec)
This pub is long gone.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.slq.qld.gov.au%2Fjol%2Ffiles%2F2011%2F08%2F259305-medium.jpeg&hash=d00ae747cc2b1ddb0d729a0bea5bc69fa10372a2)
I can't find this spot.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmaps.bonzle.com%2Fh%2Fl%2Fn%2F4%2F4alo7.jpg&hash=740253ad8e6fdda4fc69dde8eacfffb2e23a814d)
I know where this one is, it's looking down Flinders street from the other side of Denham.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ozatwar.com%2Flocations%2Fexcelsior01.jpg&hash=8fb4ca9f1b8a093c3622ed45df4f1ca61220c693)
The Excelsior is now gone too.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F-Kf0aMm6yakc%2FUGpcCYn3y9I%2FAAAAAAAAALQ%2FFuVOzj3CtiA%2Fs1600%2FTown%2BHall%2Bc.1950s.jpg&hash=6d2a9f3041ea030035f423be537e2db15032de24)
As are these, the old town hall and market reserve buildings.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8476/8113471749_1048e74fc5_b.jpg)
I couldn't find this either. There is a local diner I eat at which has images of this place.
(https://assets.ehp.qld.gov.au/website/preview/image/lhis/141034?maxsize=1000&quality=8&format=jpeg&=.jpg)
(https://assets.ehp.qld.gov.au/website/preview/image/lhis/140847?maxsize=1000&quality=8&format=jpeg&=.jpg)
(https://assets.ehp.qld.gov.au/website/preview/image/lhis/140773?maxsize=1000&quality=8&format=jpeg&=.jpg)
The white part of this complex has been there since 1883. Now part of St. Patricks secondary girls' school.
Quite right, Art Nouveau morphed into art deco and we Brits tend to lump them into the same category.
Those lost Aussie buildings are real gems. So much colonial architecture has been lost as it was not appreciated in the 50s-80s. Real frontier-town stuff.
I lived in South Africa in the 80s and almost all the old colonial, verandah-style buildings with corrugated roofs were swept away, some of the old colonial gold-rush Johannesburg existing until the late 1980s in the form of old stores taken over by the African population to sell their own indigenous wares, skin whitening creams and other strange things. They were all knocked down when De Beers expanded.
Some still exist, see below but look at those Soviet style mega city one monolithic blocks taking over behind.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FGeJ4EOz.jpg&hash=b53766bc54cb57f4834042d26ef51c1d776fbe79)
In those Australian photos, that cast-iron fronted building was real gem and could form the core of an architectural style unique to Australia. If only.
Almost all Western style countries now seem to mimic that appalling modernism that art deco ushered in. An Australian city looks the same as a South African city which looks like the centre of Birmingham (UK) which even though appalling cannot match the wretched forms of US architecture that is enshrined in cities such as Atlanta, probably the worst place I have ever been.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/ATLANTA_DOWNTOWN.JPG)
Fortunately some were saved, and it is now illegal to knock 'em down, or remove the cast iron. The ones with real heritage value, that is.
Quite a 'war' fought over redevelopment in the 60s and 70s, with real blood and real bodies!
If you're ever in Townsville and have a dumbphone:
https://www.townsville.qld.gov.au/about-council/contact-council/apps (https://www.townsville.qld.gov.au/about-council/contact-council/apps)
Strange how "at home" I feel when I see buildings like these:
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FGeJ4EOz.jpg&hash=b53766bc54cb57f4834042d26ef51c1d776fbe79)
Feels like a bit of Britain on the other side of the planet.
This is a tile http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Tile-649543974?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=0 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Tile-649543974?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=0)
on the outside of this building: http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Stairwell-504081222?q=thoughtengine%2F57242943&qo=47 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Stairwell-504081222?q=thoughtengine%2F57242943&qo=47)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Ol-Skool-549914847 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Ol-Skool-549914847)
Former West End State Primary School.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg10.deviantart.net%2F895a%2Fi%2F2015%2F362%2F2%2Fd%2Flion_brewery_by_thoughtengine-d9lrioy.jpg&hash=4a312e29124a87558a78cde06e2750b91077afe1)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg04.deviantart.net%2Fd8ee%2Fi%2F2015%2F362%2F4%2F6%2Flion_brewery_by_thoughtengine-d9lri2r.jpg&hash=a7ae7b0a651ecb5dddba3936d9d09e268eb40a53)
Lion Brewery, opened opposite Flinders Street railway shops, late 19th century. Used to warehouse automotive components during the war years, has been a nightclub named the Playpen and Bombay Rock, then an event hall called the Venue, and now home to Strand Fitness, who have had those side doors opened up.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg10.deviantart.net%2F6248%2Fi%2F2015%2F362%2Fd%2F9%2Fwesley_uniting_church_by_thoughtengine-d9lrldb.jpg&hash=641349d811f5bbc6dc57d2d73525172083501012)
Wesley Uniting Church, Fremantle, WA.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg04.deviantart.net%2F787c%2Fi%2F2015%2F362%2F0%2F3%2Fbasilica_of_st_peter_by_thoughtengine-d9lrkmv.jpg&hash=20a5a80203b974bb020de534b65c502bb5abde45)
And the nearby Basilica of St. Peter.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg04.deviantart.net%2Ff58c%2Fi%2F2015%2F362%2F1%2F5%2Froundhouse_by_thoughtengine-d9lrmrm.jpg&hash=6631f205c497a4fd893f630d60890d7cd8a2cdaa)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg02.deviantart.net%2Fb6c9%2Fi%2F2015%2F362%2Fb%2F8%2Finside_roundhouse_by_thoughtengine-d9lrp1y.jpg&hash=621fb5cc1a38be17029dfb5bb5bd9b8d2f76f3ef)
The Roundhouse, Fremantle's first prison.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg02.deviantart.net%2F0d85%2Fi%2F2015%2F362%2F4%2F2%2Fstreetscape_by_thoughtengine-d9lrnl4.jpg&hash=5b9d9e38810cef96009d5d20bc14a652b8974c78)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg08.deviantart.net%2F4659%2Fi%2F2015%2F362%2Fd%2Ff%2Ffremantle_streetscape_by_thoughtengine-d9lrnzb.jpg&hash=6b38bcacb3c28d2f04691df790bd90a8424cb8bd)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg00.deviantart.net%2Fd18f%2Fi%2F2015%2F362%2Fb%2F1%2Ffremantle_streetscape_by_thoughtengine-d9lroau.jpg&hash=3f556b55047b39a77e1ec6815ebdda4d54084d4e)
Fremantle, WA.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg04.deviantart.net%2Fba96%2Fi%2F2015%2F362%2F6%2Fa%2Fmilitary_hut_by_thoughtengine-d9lrcgw.jpg&hash=fd03fa15ae12c2140773508e543ac7a4314d8290)
Old P3 huts, former Jezzine Barracks, now a public space home to art classes, galleries and a shop; a re-enactment group and the Museum of Performing Arts.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg12.deviantart.net%2Fefda%2Fi%2F2015%2F362%2Ff%2Fe%2Fquarantine_station_by_thoughtengine-d9lranv.jpg&hash=6752a10420fd395c82e109d822c5023e7c2b3b45)
Autoclave shed, in which immigrants clothing and possessions were pressure-cooked to cleanse them of pathogens. I have been back a few times now but the museum that was in there is never open any more, and I cannot find out why.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg09.deviantart.net%2F9316%2Fi%2F2015%2F362%2F9%2F2%2Fmansfield_hotel_by_thoughtengine-d9lrj28.jpg&hash=95e6c94a9de2a44be2264477ad875b64b7a90c8c)
Mansfield Hotel, Flinders Street.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg09.deviantart.net%2Fe8d5%2Fi%2F2015%2F362%2F4%2Fd%2Fsovereign_hotel_by_thoughtengine-d9lrjzd.jpg&hash=d15444180a2cb277742ff0f596eb182fd31bf8f6)
Sovereign Hotel, Flinders Street.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg06.deviantart.net%2F3e0b%2Fi%2F2015%2F362%2F9%2F0%2Ftownsville_streetscape_by_thoughtengine-d9ltz9q.jpg&hash=529593f98b3d01372e39bfdc410fa14da411999f)
Buildings next to the Great Northern; the Umbrella Studio has a vault...
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Victoria-Barracks-580874423?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=111 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Victoria-Barracks-580874423?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=111)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Victoria-Barracks-military-Museum-580874873?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=110 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Victoria-Barracks-military-Museum-580874873?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=110)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Church-on-Castling-Street-580875999?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=109 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Church-on-Castling-Street-580875999?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=109)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Antique-Church-580893743?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=104 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Antique-Church-580893743?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=104)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Church-580876629?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=108 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Church-580876629?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=108)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Wesley-Kangaroo-Point-Uniting-Church-580877179?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=107 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Wesley-Kangaroo-Point-Uniting-Church-580877179?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=107)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Building-in-Brisbane-580895165?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=102 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Building-in-Brisbane-580895165?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=102)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Cathedral-of-St-Stephen-580895728?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=101 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Cathedral-of-St-Stephen-580895728?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=101)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Cathedral-of-St-Stephen-580896333?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=100 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Cathedral-of-St-Stephen-580896333?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=100)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Cathedral-of-St-Stephen-580897000?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=99 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Cathedral-of-St-Stephen-580897000?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=99)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Cathedral-of-St-Stephen-580897489?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=98 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Cathedral-of-St-Stephen-580897489?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=98)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Former-naval-stores-580878131?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=105 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Former-naval-stores-580878131?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=105)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Former-Naval-Store-Slipway-580877605?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=106 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Former-Naval-Store-Slipway-580877605?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=106)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg00.deviantart.net%2F1294%2Fi%2F2015%2F362%2F5%2F7%2Fcathedral_of_st_stephen_by_thoughtengine-d9lunw5.jpg&hash=082978652d2d7ed0cabeb5edbe276c331d95532a)
Some buildings around Brisbane, QLD.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg03.deviantart.net%2Fcd40%2Fi%2F2016%2F004%2F2%2F8%2Fst_mary_s_by_thoughtengine-d9mpfcj.jpg&hash=61d97211076e05a75e83377edc65fffb234ac453)
St Mary's, West End, Townsville. (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Weatherboard-Gothic-582334230?q=thoughtengine%2F57244562&qo=76)
Thanks for the images Chironex. The one thing that disappoints me about classic heritage buildings in Australia is ... that New Zealand could have had building as interesting and not demolished do many , if only boundaries of imagination and artistry had been pushed a bit further.
Our recent earth quakes are causing another round of marking buildings for closure and demolition . Off shore investors are the main instigators of destruction though.
There used to be a beautiful bluestone cold store in Wagga Wagga, Heritage listed and theoretically protected, until the owners went in one long weekend with a bulldozer and wrecked it. They chose a long weekend, of course, because NSW heritage, like most other business and govt departments, were closed for the holiday. By the time Tuesday came around the place was so badly damaged the owners, who had deliberately caused the damage in the first place, were served a demolition order by the council, who were very angry about the whole deal.
They built a car yard on the site.
In the UK they would have been forced to rebuild it.
As they would now in NSW. But this was thirty+ years ago, and the legislation had milk teeth, unlike the adult fangs it has now. There are moves afoot in several states to extract many of these fangs so developers can do more-or-less what they want to do, just like the bad old days. No guesses for which side of the great legislative divide the dental work is being driven.
Ah, I see, same happened here with some art deco buildings, namely the firestone factory in 1980.
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Things have tightened up here now.
Here is a story of an old pub demolished and to be rebuilt.
Before
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After
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Here is the news piece - it will be rebuilt!
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/fight-begins-to-make-developer-rebuild-carlton-tavern-pub-brick-by-brick-a3250221.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/fight-begins-to-make-developer-rebuild-carlton-tavern-pub-brick-by-brick-a3250221.html)
Those Australian buildings Chironex posted, the churches look very familar to a Brit. indeed, you can see many churches like that in almost every British town.
This link shows a good selection of British Victorian churches:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=victorian+churches&client=firefox-b-ab&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjMkLL-mrPRAhWMOiYKHeRRC_gQ_AUICCgB&biw=1169&bih=596 (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=victorian+churches&client=firefox-b-ab&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjMkLL-mrPRAhWMOiYKHeRRC_gQ_AUICCgB&biw=1169&bih=596)
Those Victorian streetscapes in Freemantle are quite distinct and unique though, a particularly 'heavy' Australian version of Victorian architecture that tends, over this sign of the pond, to be be slightly 'lighter', possibly more refined. No disparagement nor slur intended. They are quaint and make me want to visit.
Something similar, commercial architecture of the same period in Bristol:
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Perusing the commercial real estate recently I came upon these potential Steampunk establishments - Whanganui is engaged in rivalry with Oamaru as New Zealand's Steampunk capital
A building of Distinction
http://www.primecommercial.co.nz/2976959 (http://www.primecommercial.co.nz/2976959)
Huge Central City Icon
http://www.primecommercial.co.nz/2129947 (http://www.primecommercial.co.nz/2129947)
Central City Development Potential
http://www.primecommercial.co.nz/2636404 (http://www.primecommercial.co.nz/2636404)
Wanganui Investment With Great Returns
http://www.primecommercial.co.nz/2517696 (http://www.primecommercial.co.nz/2517696)
A good link for images of Covent Garden Apple and Vegetable Markets
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http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/apple-market-covent-garden.html (http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/apple-market-covent-garden.html)
Bert, the beams and other metal work in there is fascinating . I have seen photos of Covent Garden markets and not known where they were taken
Cheers
There were several halls, each selling different fruits/vegetables. Each built at a different time and each to a unique style.
I'll try and drop some more photos.
This thread has a few:
http://brassgoggles.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,48628.0.html (http://brassgoggles.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,48628.0.html)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 10, 2017, 05:37:09 PM
This thread has a few:
http://brassgoggles.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,48628.0.html (http://brassgoggles.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,48628.0.html)
They are buildings a in the far south of New Zealand. They do have magnificent stone buildings down that way. Including the Worlds Steampunk HQ. I have not been there, though even non steampunk tell me it is well worth the visit.
New Zealand was formed in the Gothic Revival period andcsteam era and is arguably a steampunk nation.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 08, 2017, 06:53:03 PM
Those Australian buildings Chironex posted, the churches look very familar to a Brit. indeed, you can see many churches like that in almost every British town.
I believe Pugin may have designed some of those churches.
Annie, you'll love Smithfield Market:
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Not strictly steam but gorgeous at Christmas:
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right click on the image and view...
Quote from: chironex on January 13, 2017, 09:46:37 AM
I believe Pugin may have designed some of those churches.
Worth a quick click...
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pugin+church&client=firefox-b-ab&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSuf6L7MHRAhVqI8AKHSttC70Q_AUICCgB&biw=1280&bih=686 (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pugin+church&client=firefox-b-ab&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjSuf6L7MHRAhVqI8AKHSttC70Q_AUICCgB&biw=1280&bih=686)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 14, 2017, 02:45:39 PM
Not strictly steam but gorgeous at Christmas:
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right click on the image and view...
It's amazing what a little lighting can do at night on some of these buildings...
Palace of Fine Arts, Mexico City.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/Palacio_de_Bellas_Artes%2C_M%C3%A9xico_D.F.%2C_M%C3%A9xico%2C_2014-10-13%2C_DD_37.JPG/1024px-Palacio_de_Bellas_Artes%2C_M%C3%A9xico_D.F.%2C_M%C3%A9xico%2C_2014-10-13%2C_DD_37.JPG)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/64/Palacio_de_Bellas_Artes_CDMX.JPG/1280px-Palacio_de_Bellas_Artes_CDMX.JPG)
~ ~ ~
St Stephens Chapel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus_Pugin#Pugin_and_Australia), definitely.
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Last time I went by this place it was nothing so useful as you see here - it was a party supplies store. Castling Street, Brisbane.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 14, 2017, 02:22:13 PM
Annie, you'll love Smithfield Market:
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That is a grand edifice . The craftsmanship is is magnificent
Cromer Pier - steaming out to sea!
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This is a government store, in Brisbane:
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Old-stores-660455779 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Old-stores-660455779)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Old-stores-660455913 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Old-stores-660455913)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Old-stores-660456030 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Old-stores-660456030)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Old-stores-660456139 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Old-stores-660456139)
Bridge leading into GNR station yard, track still in place:
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Bridge-to-nowhere-580868164 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Bridge-to-nowhere-580868164)
Quote from: chironex on January 30, 2017, 06:54:04 AM
This is a government store, in Brisbane:
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Old-stores-660455779 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Old-stores-660455779)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Old-stores-660455913 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Old-stores-660455913)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Old-stores-660456030 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Old-stores-660456030)
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Old-stores-660456139 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Old-stores-660456139)
Bridge leading into GNR station yard, track still in place:
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Bridge-to-nowhere-580868164 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Bridge-to-nowhere-580868164)
That building has buil consructed with beautiful stone
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 28, 2017, 04:48:05 PM
Cromer Pier - steaming out to sea!
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That is s powerful image
I found these in Geelong (and this is just getting warmed up):
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Very familiar indeed, all looks very much like Victorian buildings at home here, I'd feel content in any one of them, full of charm and character.
Some I saw on the way through Queenscliffe:
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Former Royal Hotel, as it was (newer Streetview images cut off there).
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What it looks like now.
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This fort is supposed to contain a good museum.
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Streetview got fuzzy here.
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These two adjacent buildings are significantly different, but possess similar tower roofs. They are both accomodation.
Chironex - excellent buildings . Each one fabulous in its own distinct way .
I am again traveling. This time, the city of Orel (Eagle) and the festival travelers.
Many of the old houses I in styles and eras is not strong. But this is a classic home provincial Russian towns.
The camera is a bit dead. Fotkal on the phone and posted in instagram.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BTY9Yj1g0NS/?taken-by=zovem.ru (https://www.instagram.com/p/BTY9Yj1g0NS/?taken-by=zovem.ru)
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One more of the Republic Hotel.
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And the Ross Island.
That last one, a bit more 'shanty' rather than 'steam'. Doesn't really look the part for me.
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Sion House London embankment.
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Drapers Livery Hall
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King's College Chapel
http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Victoria-Park-Hotel-681962659 (http://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Victoria-Park-Hotel-681962659)
Victoria Park Hotel.
That's a sweet building.
My street. Not that steamy but old and English.
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Loved the old signal box, Chironex, they have destroyed too many of them lately.
In Ringwood, near where we live, they upgraded the railway station. We were quite annoyed when the lovely old signal box suddenly vanished and assumed it had been turned into landfill. Then it reappeared all shite and briney and takes pride of place on the side of the highway. https://railgallery.wongm.com/melbourne-stations/F115_2237.jpg.html
That is gorgeous - we still have a few of them, here are those on the bluebell line in Sussex.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=signal+box+sussex&client=firefox-b-ab&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwif4anW8pTUAhWMIcAKHcbnAHIQ_AUICygC&biw=1047&bih=633#tbm=isch&q=signal+box++sussex+bluebell+line (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=signal+box+sussex&client=firefox-b-ab&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwif4anW8pTUAhWMIcAKHcbnAHIQ_AUICygC&biw=1047&bih=633#tbm=isch&q=signal+box++sussex+bluebell+line)
I found this in Maryborough last Sunday:
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I'd be here for hours if the camera battery hadn't run out. There are a lot more things to see here.
I'm not going to start a thread about it but I'm in the early stages of planning out something for the products of my model-making thread to run about on. I'm setting it in Nottinghamshire in the late 1910s/early 1920s. Which means I'm on the look-out for buildings recogniseably of the Nottingham area to include. Well, I think this *has* to be on the list.
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Watson Fothergill's studio in Nottingham (built 1893-94). I mean, just look at it, it's wonderful. You've got the Early English Gothic in there, Queen Anne/ Arts and Crafts polychromatic masonry, something almost Bavarian with that gable in the roof and more than a hint of Ruskin's Venetian Gothic with those window lintels. It's madcap bonkers but there's something very satisfying about the composition and proportions.
I think it is for sale!
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And your very own patron Saint hanging over the front door.
Just the thing to dress up for seasonal festivities with a santa-suit or easter bonnet...
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on July 03, 2017, 12:07:39 AM
I think it is for sale!
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It was put up for sale in 2015 but bizzarely nobody wanted it. Then somebody drove a truck into it- and it's still waiting to be repaired.
It would make a very good steampunk HQ!
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on July 03, 2017, 05:59:25 PM
It would make a very good steampunk HQ!
It would, wouldn't it. I want it I want it I want it....
We probably need a steampunk HQ. If we all donated a tenner, how much would we have?
Trowse Pumping station
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Those were all current day photos of Trowse Pumping Station, an abandoned and unwanted Victorian pumping station just outside Norwich, Norfolk, a building of exceptionally high quality left to rot by the blasted British, we have so many of these wonderful buildings that we let them ruddy things rot!
Before you become too depressed, here is another building devoted to the delivery of fresh water, this time Appleton Tower. In perfect working order! Right Click on this one and view image. Close up it is rather impressive.
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Let's climb the stairs to the tank and the viewing area.
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Properly Steamy and Victorian.
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Not such an imposing angle
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Perfect ! Right click and view image PLEASE!
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The original Chicago Water Tower:
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This is one of the few buildings to survive the great fire.
The idea was that Lake Michigan water would be pumped up and over an arch, and would any debris or particulates would not make it over the arch, providing filtered water. It didn't work, and there were reports of minnows coming out of sink taps in people's homes.
In the early 20th Century, the White Castle hamburger chain hired a Chicago based architectural firm to design it's standard pre-fabricated hamburger stands. The architect used the Water Tower as the model for the towers and parapets on the restaurant buildings:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/32/White_Castle_Building_8.jpg)
HHhhmmm. That Chicago tower is amazing, ugly as sin and looks as if it was designed by Disney (ie. badly). However, it fits the genre I suppose! ;D
Its bloody awful to look at.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on July 13, 2017, 09:06:21 PM
Trowse Pumping station
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If we made that our base of operations, would that make us all Trowsers?
Steampunk Trowsers... the wrong Trowsers?
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Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on July 14, 2017, 12:10:26 AM
HHhhmmm. That Chicago tower is amazing, ugly as sin and looks as if it was designed by Disney (ie. badly). However, it fits the genre I suppose! ;D
Its bloody awful to look at.
The building has a sort of charm in it's surrounding setting of modern glass and steel buildings. It's the last relic of its era.
From the Wikipedia article:
QuoteThe structure has not been universally admired. Oscar Wilde said it looked like "a castellated monstrosity with pepper boxes stuck all over it," although he did admire the arrangement and movement of the pumping machinery inside.
Well, at least I'm in good company... (Oscar)
A good search for pumping stations is this:
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Molly Malone's not-so-authentic Irish pub.
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Tobruk Memorial Baths, comissioned 1940 but not completed until 1951 due to the war.
The Quebec City's White Birch Paperwork Or As I Love To Call It '' The Tower Of Babel'' :
http://images.lpcdn.ca/924x615/201109/30/382650-president-christopher-brant-soutenu-communique.jpg (http://images.lpcdn.ca/924x615/201109/30/382650-president-christopher-brant-soutenu-communique.jpg)
From The Same City, The Gare Du Palais:
http://specialdujour.hautetfort.com/media/02/02/4270175384.jpg (http://specialdujour.hautetfort.com/media/02/02/4270175384.jpg)
https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/08/5e/1d/9f/gare-du-palais.jpg (https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/08/5e/1d/9f/gare-du-palais.jpg)
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7076/7167849359_21155b698f_b.jpg (https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7076/7167849359_21155b698f_b.jpg)
And The Entirity Of The Old Town Is A Steampunk City Hidden Within Quebec City:
https://www.ecosia.org/images?addon=chrome&addonversion=2.0.3&q=Vieux+Qu%C3%A9bec (https://www.ecosia.org/images?addon=chrome&addonversion=2.0.3&q=Vieux+Qu%C3%A9bec)
I like watching George Clarke and "Restoration Man" - amongst other things they have restored a pumping station, a water tower, and a railway water tower, too!
Tonight's episode (repeat) was the mock Tudor gate house - beautiful job on that!
Quebec's Chateau Frontenac:
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Built in 1893 as a tourist hotel. They used to have a setup where working class girls would go to work for the hotel, live on the premises, and stay there for the rest of their lives.
Some surprisingly lovely buildings in Quebec, I am pleasantly surprised. That final big hotel is a monstrosity though. Overdone in scale and a bit mental but it definitely fits the genre. If you can imagine it built just a few years later as a big square block then the extra detail justifies itself. It is definitely a marvel and somewhere I'd visit if I ever found myself in Quebec. Those Victorians knew how to build - if not necessarily always in style.
The Gothic style of architecture really took off in Canada, as part of the Empire it seemed to really latch onto the single architectural form that summed up Imperial and Victorian Britain, vertical gothic, then definitely applying their own slant to the genre, adding size and a European flavour (that roof!), toning down the ecclesiastical tone perhaps?
Some lovely pics there chaps/chapesses.
P.S. Chironex. There are more Irish pubs around the rest of the world than there are in Ireland, who's to say which is real these days? I've been in Irish pubs in Brussels that felt just as authentic as some pubs in downtown Dublin.
Well, the only one I've tried is the one in Geelong, but that one at least didn't look obviously like an Australian pub, which Molly Malones does (originally, Tattersall's). The one across the street to the left of the images is Flynn's, even less convincing because it looks like the Bank of New South Wales (which it was).
Then again, spare a thought for the one in the mall in Brisbane, which looks like an open-air cafe in the style of the modern box-with-awkwardly-stuck-on-scraps-of-sheet style (down the other end there was an "English" pub much the same).
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Stanton House. You can see where it has been added to.
Lilac Court, Wickham Street.
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A Last Minute Addition To The Steampunk Quebec Serie, The Quebec Bridge:
http://www.quebechebdo.com/content/dam/tc/quebec-hebdo/images/2016/4/17/pont-de-quebec-3066588.jpg.imgtransform/ELRH/image.jpg (http://www.quebechebdo.com/content/dam/tc/quebec-hebdo/images/2016/4/17/pont-de-quebec-3066588.jpg.imgtransform/ELRH/image.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Bridge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_Bridge)
Bridges - now there's good material.
Clifton Suspension bridge
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More bridges please
(https://denbighshirearchives.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/part-1-britannia-bridge.jpg)
Britannia Bridge, Anglesey (Robert Stephenson 1850). Sadly some young hoodlums burnt it down in 1970, which then gave the State an excuse to rebuild it as an arch bridge with a motorway over the top.
Quote from: James Harrison on August 08, 2017, 08:01:59 PM
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Britannia Bridge, Anglesey (Robert Stephenson 1850). Sadly some young hoodlums burnt it down in 1970, which then gave the State an excuse to rebuild it as an arch bridge with a motorway over the top.
It still looks quite good...
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and in addition you still have:
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or
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Still spoilt for choice on Anglesey.
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Isdambard Kingdom Brunel's bridge over the Tamar.
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I do love bridges - Hammersmith Bridge
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(https://cdn.londonandpartners.com/visit/london-organisations/thames-bridges-various/86836-640x360-hammersmith-bridge-640.jpg)
and Albert Bridge
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mrsmithworldphotography.com%2Fphotos%2FAlbert-Bridge-26.jpg&hash=72a7331ba83379225da7904512666abffae0658e)
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Southwark Bridge (pronounced suthack bridge)
Not particularly attractive but at some angles it is definitely steamy
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Blackfriars Road Bridge
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The Blackfriars Rail bridge and the 'missing' bridge piers.
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Lambeth Bridge - not particularly attractive but at night it can be glorious
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Paris is a city that would do well with bridges here.
Westminster Bridge - say no more...
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No photo, alas, but Halfpenny Bridge in Dublin.
There you go... and it isn't the halfpenny bridge, it's the h'apenny bridge, pronounced "hApeny" all in one go. The "A" sounds capitalised.
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Then of course there is London Bridge, nothing special about it, not very pretty, quite a plain Victorian bridge, not even in London but in the desert in Arizona...
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I think it looks better in its original location:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/London_Bridge_circa_1870.jpg/700px-London_Bridge_circa_1870.jpg)
I wish the Americans had made more of an effort:
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Vauxhall Bridge - the setting is just a bit sh 1 t these days but the bridge retains some grandeur that raises it above the cad/cam inanities that surround it these days.
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That's the MI6+ building in the background
Kew Bridge
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(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.the-thames-path.co.uk%2FThames-London%2FKew-Railwaybridge-end.jpg&hash=11d98b4af3ac423a986a840d0129ee03e00f375f)
Giants basin viaducts and bridges, Castlefield, Manchester, doesn't get much more steamy
(https://dobraszczyk.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/31.jpg)
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(https://dobraszczyk.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/11.jpg)
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Tubular bridge at Chepstow (Isambard Kingdom Brunel, 1852). The prototype for his more famous Saltash Bridge (see yereverluvinunclealbert's post above). Sadly demolished in the 1960s.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Keadby_Bridge.jpg)
Keadby Bridge, also known as the King George V Bridge, Lincolnshire (Great Central Railway, 1915). One span of the bridge (formerly) lifts; the bridge it replaced was also curious, being a swing bridge.
Forth Rail Bridge - remember that amazing structure dates from 1882.
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/The_Forth_Bridge_seen_from_South_Queensferry.JPG)
Ouseburn Viaduct
(https://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/roger.broughton/ouseburn/fullsize/52f.jpg)
Partington Viaduct (ruined)
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Leaderfoot Viaduct and Drygrange Bridge near Melrose
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Glenfinnan Viaduct (of Harry Potter fame)
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By the way, you can right click and select view image for any of these pictures and see a much larger and higer resolution version of almost all of these great bridges.
Just two more bridges to go and I'm done!
Balcombe Viaduct where I used to live:
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Richmond Lock
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/RichmondFootbridge.jpg/800px-RichmondFootbridge.jpg)
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Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on August 10, 2017, 11:31:19 AM
There you go... and it isn't the halfpenny bridge, it's the h'apenny bridge, pronounced "hApeny" all in one go. The "A" sounds capitalised
I knew that! Didn't have my map of Dublin handy to check! ;D
I take it you are a big fan of bridges, unclebert!
Those are just the bridges on the Thames and a few local/well known types around the UK that many will have heard of. There are probably a hundred or more that would equally fit the bill and I didn't even mention the most steamy of them all.
They are just such good examples of Victorian design and real-life usage (to my mind what steampunk should be, a combination of form and actual functionality - no extra cogs just for the sake of it). Nevertheless, I DO love bridges.
We have a few ha'penny lanes near here. I wasn't really telling you how to pronounce it - just extra info. for those not in the know.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on August 10, 2017, 10:21:14 PM
Balcombe Viaduct where I used to live:
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I believe I am in love with a physical structure, is that possible or even legal?, look at that brickwork, beautiful. Thanks for sharing yereverluvinunclebert.
Seveneves, the Balcombe Viaduct is a beautiful piece of Victorian engineering, hugely strong due to the rounded arches, lighter due to the reduction of bricks used in the construction and really so impressive when you stand next to it. It carries all the rail traffic from London to Brighton and has done so since 1841. Those bricks are all hardened engineering bricks - as hard as stone. The bridge has been monitored and fettled/repaired over the years and stands as a testament to the original design. Whenever I passed the viaduct it was always worth the short walk to stand underneath and view those amazing arches.
When you are next in the area drop by, there is a road very close by.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on August 11, 2017, 02:18:46 PM
Seveneves, the Balcombe Viaduct is a beautiful piece of Victorian engineering, hugely strong due to the rounded arches, lighter due to the reduction of bricks used in the construction and really so impressive when you stand next to it. It carries all the rail traffic from London to Brighton and has done so since 1841. Those bricks are all hardened engineering bricks - as hard as stone. The bridge has been monitored and fettled/repaired over the years and stands as a testament to the original design. Whenever I passed the viaduct it was always worth the short walk to stand underneath and view those amazing arches.
When you are next in the area drop by, there is a road very close by.
I may well organize a ride out for a photo shoot with the local biker group I belong to soon, weather permitting. If not this year,
definitely on the to do list, old Brit shit, hogs and Harleys, what a background that Viaduct would provide, love it, have I said I love it?, my god I love it. ;D
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on August 10, 2017, 04:13:31 PM
Giants basin viaducts and bridges, Castlefield, Manchester, doesn't get much more steamy
(https://dobraszczyk.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/31.jpg)
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(https://dobraszczyk.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/11.jpg)
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Beautifully atmospheric, those under the arches photos. Truly a relic of an age that never quite was.
I think it was...
I just love the brickwork on the Balcombe Viaduct - and that Partington Viaduct is unbelievably atmospheric!
There is a bridge over a river/stream in Ireland, called Foley's Bridge - you can just about see the trolls living under it! Sorry, no pic!
Have some abandoned railway trestle bridges close to where I live (well, about 50 kms away - close by Oz standards). I do have some photos of them. Looks like I will have to sign up to a photo hosting site, and go bridge hunting.
There is also a place up the river called Tintaldra, that used to have a railway bridge over it - I have the perfect photo! Tintaldra is famous for having the first pub on the Murray River.
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(https://img13.deviantart.net/05c0/i/2015/355/6/5/victoria_bridge_townsville_by_thoughtengine-d9kvn7p.jpg)
(https://img03.deviantart.net/ffea/i/2015/355/9/c/victoria_bridge_engine_by_thoughtengine-d9kvmya.jpg)
Victoria Bridge, Townsville.
(https://img11.deviantart.net/42b0/i/2015/362/e/e/old_bridge_support_by_thoughtengine-d9lu4u4.jpg)
Support left as monument to old bridge in Brisbane.
A timber trestle in England? Yes....
(https://www.newcivilengineer.com/pictures/2000x2000fit/9/8/3/1298983_Brunel_s_Walkham_viaduct_Credit_National_Railway_Museum__Ref.jpg)
Down in Devon and Cornwall Brunel built a series of timber viaducts. The last of them was replaced in 1930.
Quote from: Banfili on August 11, 2017, 09:52:59 PM
There is also a place up the river called Tintaldra, that used to have a railway bridge over it - I have the perfect photo! Tintaldra is famous for having the first pub on the Murray River.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news - Tintaldra Hotel is closed! No beer there.
For those that are interested, rather than me listing each here, here is a site dedicated to Viaducts in the UK:
http://viaductsuk.com/viaducts/Index?sort=Length&sortdir=ASC&page=14 (http://viaductsuk.com/viaducts/Index?sort=Length&sortdir=ASC&page=14)
Each entry on that site leads to a image of every viaduct.
An example page: http://viaductsuk.com/viaducts/Details/501/coalbrookdale-viaduct (http://viaductsuk.com/viaducts/Details/501/coalbrookdale-viaduct)
"Sorry to be the bearer of bad news - Tintaldra Hotel is closed! No beer there."
Well, Bugger! I didn't know that had happened - must have snuck out the door reasonably recently, as my neighbours were only there last year.
The bits of bridge are still there, though, as is the pub. Maybe someone who like the quiet life will take on the pub. I hear our 'local' is about to change hands, again!
I favorite building of mine on Michigan Avenue in Wayne, Michigan; photo taken from Google Street View.
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It is a little run down, and maybe not as fine an example as buildings of similar style in Europe, but this is on a major road in the United States, and stands out in an area that was mostly undeveloped before the post-World-War-II boom. Other structures along the road are bland, modern, suburban buildings, and just about any historic building that had any character was ruined with wrong-headed renovations in the mid-twentieth-century mania for modernization.
Currently the building is apartments, but it must have originally been a commercial building. I imagine a bar or a bakery being on that lower floor.
Here's one that I had to share, even though it's hardley steampunk:
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_yiiPzeRfNBQ/TZvNHIdtZTI/AAAAAAAAETQ/czakmuMm43Q/s800/110405_oases_3.jpg)
This is a highway "oasis" restaurant, of the type that that is familiar to anyone who's driven the Illinois Toll Road in the vicinity of Chicago, except that this is in England, and the dining counter is way cool. The Illinois buildings that supposedly inspired the English structures started out as (the now nearly extinct) Howard Johnson's restaurants and are now occupied by various fast food franchises. I don't know what restaurant this is in the English version.
I picture this structure adapted to the steampunk genre, with an exterior inspired by the famous Crystal Palace in Hyde Park, and an interior full of mechanization and chrome and brass fittings like the early automats. Diners may look down upon trains or steam car traffic.
I picture it demolished by 18lbers firing a mixture of canister, fragmentation, high explosive and round shot.
Now then, do you all recall a few weeks ago when I posted this?
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Watson_Fothergill_offices_on_George_Street_in_Nottingham.jpg)
Well.....
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Quite closely, but not exactly, following it I have been 'a little bit busy'. This is to 4mm/ft (1:76) scale. A few sections and part plans to add to it (I may as well. It only takes up about 1/3 of the A3 sheet it is drawn on.), and I might actually have an idea of how I can build the model.
Dormer windows to complete - rather important - don't leave them out.
We will have to create a new thread - "modelling steamy steampunk buildings" - I look forward to seeing the result.
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Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on August 29, 2017, 08:01:27 AM
Dormer windows to complete - rather important - don't leave them out.
We will have to create a new thread - "modelling steamy steampunk buildings" - I look forward to seeing the result.
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The dormers to the turret? Well, I do have to add some plans to the drawing too, so you never know. They might make an appearance yet.
"Model Steampunk Buildings" could be a promising thread- or even a general "Our Steampunk Architecture" one (as that would invite drawings, sketches and the like as well as just models).
Fort Boyard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phefN2WnpDg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phefN2WnpDg)
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A couple of Steampunk bridge photos that I could not resist.
Both the Forth Bridge:
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Showing the Queensferry lighthouse and the bridge as the impressive backdrop.
Secondly the recently built (new) steam engine Tornado crossing the Forth Bridge.
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Right click each select view image to see the image in full size.
Remember, that's a Victorian bridge!
I just returned from Cairns on Monday.
(https://pre08.deviantart.net/a0da/th/pre/i/2017/248/f/b/monument_by_thoughtengine-dbmj8he.jpg)
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Cairns Art Gallery.
(https://img12.deviantart.net/1579/i/2017/248/c/b/stony_creek_bridge_by_thoughtengine-dbmgxat.jpg)
Stoney Creek Bridge, Kuranda Scenic Railway.
(https://img09.deviantart.net/39f4/i/2017/248/9/9/shire_offices_by_thoughtengine-dbmj892.jpg)
(https://img01.deviantart.net/5f99/i/2017/248/d/f/old_ambulance_building_by_thoughtengine-dbmj7jf.jpg)
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(https://img03.deviantart.net/64a9/i/2017/248/6/5/floor_tile_by_thoughtengine-dbmj7qr.jpg)
Old Ambulance Building.
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(https://img04.deviantart.net/fd5e/i/2017/248/e/3/old_commercial_building_by_thoughtengine-dbmj70j.jpg)
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(https://img10.deviantart.net/74ad/i/2017/248/a/3/railway_hotel_by_thoughtengine-dbmj26z.jpg)
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Kuranda signal box.
A few nice ones and some fugly ones - but it seems as if the older architecture is reserved mostly for tattoo parlours, pubs, dives and entertainment, is there something going on there is Australasia that we haven't been told about?
Gentrification goes in odd directions when counter-culture becomes culture, and alternative lifestyles simply become the latest fad fashion. You can't have a building serve the same purpose forever, and those who come in after the event to reuse the building are now often the formerly-radical fashionistas who still think tattoos make you edgy.
This has happened to Kuranda, renowned for its eco-tourism but incessantly giving you unrecyclable lids for your homemade, locally-grown, rainforest-blend coffee and not having any visible recycling bins about anyway.
(https://img07.deviantart.net/2176/i/2017/249/9/e/kuranda_market_mall_by_thoughtengine-dbmk5ub.jpg)
(https://img11.deviantart.net/d949/i/2017/249/0/2/kuranda_station_by_thoughtengine-dbmjwl9.jpg)
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(https://pre14.deviantart.net/815b/th/pre/i/2017/249/d/f/kuranda_station_platform_by_thoughtengine-dbmjvz3.jpg)
(https://img08.deviantart.net/b411/i/2017/248/1/e/kuranda_hotel_by_thoughtengine-dbmjtz4.jpg)
Still, what explanation does a pub need?
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Shot out of the train window at Babinda.
Pubs, churches, stations and bridges. A good steampunk combination.
One more from Kuranda:
(https://img08.deviantart.net/27b8/i/2017/252/8/3/kuranda_shop_by_thoughtengine-dbmxwsp.jpg)
They make trinkets and soft sweets.
http://www.stillwatersweets.com/ (http://www.stillwatersweets.com/)
The González County Courthouse, in Texas, finished in 1896. The town of González, the historic county seat, was founded by the first English speaking settlers invited by the Mexican government in the 1820s.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKNI9NKUMAA8bQE?format=jpg&name=small)
Yesterday I had the pleasure of visiting Rothley railway station, near Leicester. Built in the middle 1890s and restored to Edwardian splendour.
(https://i.imgur.com/kRhegFh.jpg?1)
(https://i.imgur.com/7lqUsHW.jpg?1)
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The Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire Railway...
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on October 08, 2017, 04:33:06 PM
The Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire Railway...
As was. (They rebranded as Great Central in 1897). There is an MSLR noticeboard on the side of the staircase though.
The London Mews Buildings . Their history of evolution from horse stables into residential buildings has its origins in the foggy adaption of steam travel and motor car use
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Quote from: Hurricane Annie on November 29, 2017, 07:25:34 AM
The London Mews Buildings . Their history of evolution from horse stables into residential buildings has its origins in the foggy adaption of steam travel and motor car use
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My former employer owned/ owns one of those (I had the pleasure of house-sitting for him a couple of times several years ago). They're surprisingly spacious.
Quote from: James Harrison on November 29, 2017, 04:22:59 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on November 29, 2017, 07:25:34 AM
The London Mews Buildings . Their history of evolution from horse stables into residential buildings has its origins in the foggy adaption of steam travel and motor car use
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My former employer owned/ owns one of those (I had the pleasure of house-sitting for him a couple of times several years ago). They're surprisingly spacious.
hhmmm you are favoured. They looked pretty fab in the late 70s TV shows. Instant international jet set playboy lifestyle.
I believe I forgot these:
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(https://dictionaryofsydney.org/sites/default/files/media/5ef8847a2ed77d40ce9b05f112af7791ea370125.jpg)
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(https://pastlivesofthenearfuture.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/mortuary-station.jpg)
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See if you can work out the connection between those...
The first one looks like a cross between a church and a subway station.
Are they funeral homes?
The top and bottom ones only have small chimneys so they are not pumping stations nor are they concerned with the delivery of water unless they channel natural springwater. They all look ecclesiastical but some of the features in those two deny that usage. In any case that was the style in the late 1860s to 1880s. My first guess was that they were both crematoria but the chimneys are too small and too low.
British architecture transported from Victorian Britain and transplanted into the colonies. Quite a strange idea to consider European Gothic Ecclesiastical buildings to be a natural architectural style for the Antipodes. Crazy but wonderful.
The middle one is clearly a church now having been restored in 1958 and I would suggest that one connection might be the architect. Is the middle photo transposed by accident? Is it the same building just swapped over by mistake? I think it is the same building restored as its features seem far too similar to be a coincidence, some of the decoration has been removed.
Those railings and picket fences need to be re-instated. Only a short-sighted fool would have had them removed.
They are too small for churches and too large for chapels. Clearly something to do with death I'd say, transporting the dead in some weird way? By water or train?
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 14, 2018, 04:06:18 PM
The middle one is clearly a church now having been restored in 1958 and I would suggest that one connection might be the architect. Is the middle photo transposed by accident? Is it the same building just swapped over by mistake? I think it is the same building restored as its features seem far too similar to be a coincidence, some of the decoration has been removed.
Those railings and picket fences need to be re-instated. Only a short-sighted fool would have had them removed.
I was assuming it was the other end of the top one.
Quote from: chironex on January 14, 2018, 01:07:11 PM
I believe I forgot these:
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(https://dictionaryofsydney.org/sites/default/files/media/5ef8847a2ed77d40ce9b05f112af7791ea370125.jpg)
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(https://pastlivesofthenearfuture.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/mortuary-station.jpg)
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See if you can work out the connection between those...
Stations on a cemetary railway? There's railway wagons in the background of one photograph and the other building has along depression in the floor.
I am so pleased they have been restored
There is a significant difference between the top two older images and the more modern third. If you look at the tower you will see it is considerably taller than the one in the older images. Look at the number of layers of stones between the 1868 plaque and the cross above the door. On the older image you'll see only four layers. On the newer 1958 restored building there are several more layers and the whole tower top is much taller. The whole tower would have had to be demolished and rebuilt.
So, it was massively restored or it is another identical building built on a similar but transposed plan. I'd suggest it was massively rebuilt.
Quote from: James Harrison on January 14, 2018, 05:36:32 PM
Stations on a cemetary railway? There's railway wagons in the background of one photograph and the other building has along depression in the floor.
That's correct; the first images are the terminal ::) building at the Rookwood Cemetery in Sydney, more officially known as Haslems Creek Necropolis No. 1, and less officially known as Australia's most haunted graveyard. In the 1860s the new necropolis was so far away it could take days for a horse-drawn procession to get there.
The other building is Mortuary Station between Central and Redfern in Sydney, built in the 1860s due to the impropriety of mourners and dead people bound for Rookwood mixing up with regular commuters at Central.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 14, 2018, 10:48:20 PM
There is a significant difference between the top two older images and the more modern third. If you look at the tower you will see it is considerably taller than the one in the older images. Look at the number of layers of stones between the 1868 plaque and the cross above the door. On the older image you'll see only four layers. On the newer 1958 restored building there are several more layers and the whole tower top is much taller. The whole tower would have had to be demolished and rebuilt.
So, it was massively restored or it is another identical building built on a similar but transposed plan. I'd suggest it was massively rebuilt.
Yes. The last use of this line was to rail out the building as a collection of labelled stones after the Anglican church bought it in the early 50s for a hundred pounds. It was rebuild, slightly customised (ie the plan is almost completely backwards, front doors added...) in Ainslie, a suburb of Canberra.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 14, 2018, 04:06:18 PM
Those railings and picket fences need to be re-instated. Only a short-sighted fool would have had them removed.
Best not get us all started on that again.
(https://strathfieldhistory.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/old-no-1-mortuary-station-rookwood.jpg)
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Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 14, 2018, 04:06:18 PM
British architecture transported from Victorian Britain and transplanted into the colonies. Quite a strange idea to consider European Gothic Ecclesiastical buildings to be a natural architectural style for the Antipodes. Crazy but wonderful.
Be it stone, red brick, weatherboard or clapboard, there is an astonishing amount. It even led to unique sub-styles like Weatherboard and Carpenter Gothic, adapted to suit the new settlements.
Quote from: chironex on January 14, 2018, 11:58:01 PM
(https://strathfieldhistory.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/old-no-1-mortuary-station-rookwood.jpg)
I'd say that image encapsulates steampunk, going to church in suitable transport...
As far as I know we have nothing like that here in the UK, at least I have never heard of such a railway. I shall be on the look out for one but as the railways were everywhere here I imagine they would use the normal railway system.
You have something unique to the Victorian age, pleased that the building has been preserved if not in the proper location.
A way station to heaven for Steampunks
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on January 15, 2018, 01:03:20 AM
A way station to heaven for Steampunks
Or are we on a fast track to Hell...
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 15, 2018, 12:01:18 AM
As far as I know we have nothing like that here in the UK, at least I have never heard of such a railway. I shall be on the look out for one but as the railways were everywhere here I imagine they would use the normal railway system.
No?
(https://blackcablondon.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/necropolis-railway-first-building.jpg)
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/London_necropolis_terminus.jpg/576px-London_necropolis_terminus.jpg)
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Some of the journey went along the main line from London to Weymouth, but arrival at Brookwood meant leaving and travelling on a branch through the necropolis. This is probably how they all worked.
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Well there you go... my aim is to learn something new every day. Today, that was unexpected and put a smile on my face.
Inside Manchester Town Hall in pictures (c) Christopher Thomond 2017 (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/gallery/2018/jan/15/inside-manchester-town-hall-in-pictures)
Manchester's neo-gothic town hall closed on Monday for a £330m repair and refurbishment programme lasting six years. The Alfred Waterhouse-designed building has stood in the city's Albert Square since 1877
Quote from: Mercury Wells on January 19, 2018, 05:51:00 PM
Inside Manchester Town Hall in pictures (c) Christopher Thomond 2017 (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/gallery/2018/jan/15/inside-manchester-town-hall-in-pictures)
Manchester's neo-gothic town hall closed on Monday for a £330m repair and refurbishment programme lasting six years. The Alfred Waterhouse-designed building has stood in the city's Albert Square since 1877
The trouble is, these sad days, what we build is sh1t.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 19, 2018, 11:41:56 PM
Quote from: Mercury Wells on January 19, 2018, 05:51:00 PM
Inside Manchester Town Hall in pictures (c) Christopher Thomond 2017 (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/gallery/2018/jan/15/inside-manchester-town-hall-in-pictures)
Manchester's neo-gothic town hall closed on Monday for a £330m repair and refurbishment programme lasting six years. The Alfred Waterhouse-designed building has stood in the city's Albert Square since 1877
The trouble is, these sad days, what we build is sh1t.
Then pulled down, after 10yrs.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 19, 2018, 11:41:56 PM
Quote from: Mercury Wells on January 19, 2018, 05:51:00 PM
Inside Manchester Town Hall in pictures (c) Christopher Thomond 2017 (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/gallery/2018/jan/15/inside-manchester-town-hall-in-pictures)
Manchester's neo-gothic town hall closed on Monday for a £330m repair and refurbishment programme lasting six years. The Alfred Waterhouse-designed building has stood in the city's Albert Square since 1877
The trouble is, these sad days, what we build is sh1t.
Or, to quote some bloke on uTube, we build 'relentlessly ugly' sh1t.
Quote from: Mercury Wells on January 19, 2018, 05:51:00 PM
Inside Manchester Town Hall in pictures (c) Christopher Thomond 2017 (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/gallery/2018/jan/15/inside-manchester-town-hall-in-pictures)
Manchester's neo-gothic town hall closed on Monday for a £330m repair and refurbishment programme lasting six years. The Alfred Waterhouse-designed building has stood in the city's Albert Square since 1877
An acquaintance of mine (a coursemate from those far-off days when I was an undergraduate architectural student) is involved with that project. She's been outposted there for the last five or six months or so as part of the team conducting the preliminary survey work before the builders move in.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/9664/i/2018/024/f/6/see_the_light_by_thoughtengine-dc10apz.jpg)
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https://thoughtengine.deviantart.com/art/Doesn-t-seem-to-fit-727284351
Clearly well looked after.
It had a temporary roof for over 100 years...
The exterior looks as if it hasn't ever been exposed to weather. Possibly a time bubble.
I just found this guy:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Antoni+Gaudi&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS751US752&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiA9OPsmPTYAhWMqlMKHaMKD2MQ_AUICigB&biw=1024&bih=675 (https://www.google.com/search?q=Antoni+Gaudi&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS751US752&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiA9OPsmPTYAhWMqlMKHaMKD2MQ_AUICigB&biw=1024&bih=675)
Here's a sample to entice you to follow the link:
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Then there's this guy:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Jules+Aim (https://www.google.com/search?q=Jules+Aim)é+Lavirotte&rlz=1C1GGRV_enUS751US752&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjO_KCWmvTYAhWJzlMKHaDGCfUQ_AUICigB&biw=1024&bih=675
Similar but more subtle.
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Well, Gaudi was in a world of his own, and the other bloke seems very heavily into Art Nouveau! Spectacular!
Having travelled in and out of Sydney by train from about eleven, and later as a commuter, the mortuary station was a sure sign that you had almost arrived at your (earthly) destination! The first time I travelled to Sydney after the mortuary station was moved was a bit disorientating - "what, where am I, are we there yet!" kind of feeling!
That fin-de-siecle stuff is very acceptable but still jars with my preconceptions of steampunk. The natural plant-like curves of the European Art Nouveau fascinate but don't quite tickle my fancy. As you say Gaudi seems more of a world of is own, possibly like alien-architecture or possibly even closer related to something you'd find in Angkor Wat.
I know it's not steampunk but I am a great fan of Art Deco!
Gaudi. Now that brings back some very pleasant memories of February 2006 on a field trip to Barcelona. Sitting on the rooftop of La Padrera watching the sunset.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on January 26, 2018, 12:34:39 AM
That fin-de-siecle stuff is very acceptable but still jars with my preconceptions of steampunk. The natural plant-like curves of the European Art Nouveau fascinate but don't quite tickle my fancy. As you say Gaudi seems more of a world of is own, possibly like alien-architecture or possibly even closer related to something you'd find in Angkor Wat.
The whole point of Jugendstil and Art Nouveau was to get away from the structured geometric ornaments of the Victorian Era. In other words it was a reaction against "geometric nature." I guess that goes against the Industrial Revolution, hence Steampunk.
The theory of Art Nouveau was to use non symmetric organic shapes. Like lamp shades made from flower petals. Polygons are all missing in Art Nouveau. Human hand did not shape it, or so the theory goes. Technically speaking, Art Nouveau is not Victorian, aesthetically. It is futuristic, however, in a 1960s "flower power" sense of the word. Proto-psychodelic. Good for drinking Absinthe and "chasing the dragon" of Opium.
Similar to Arts and Crafts and the American Prarie School, all these movements were modernist movements, except the latter two were very different in that they exploited geometry. Arts and Crafts and Prarie pulled in the opposite direction (hence the name - crafts) . Nature was still present in Arts and Crafts, but Prarie style was even more geometric and abstract, even robbing nature of its original shape. Prarie was using a purely "artificial aesthetic" to control obviously natural materials, in other words, highly architectural - yet not industrial, so they don't go with Steampunk either.
Prarie is difficult to recognize, because today we don't bat an eye about forcing nature into abstract shapes; the style is the basis for so much contemporary residential architecture. Simplistic abstract shapes like pure polygons made from recognisably natural materials is the hallmark of modernist architecture, so often we don't recognize that the trend started toward the end of the 19th century.
But Art Déco would take that trend to its logical conclusion The materials become even more abstract and geometric. Nature becomes cold (Marble, brass) and even artificial (aluminium, plastic), following the technical progress of the 20th Century. Art Déco celebrated the complete control of man over nature. A futuristic style, technically speaking, though for some reason it's sometimes confused with Art Nouveau, which is radically different. Art Déco is definitely more in favour of industry, but it simply comes too late. It is natural in the Dieselpunk sense of the word.
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http://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/city-council-move-protect-watson-1035410 (http://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/city-council-move-protect-watson-1035410)
An update on this one, the Fothergill's office in Nottingham. They appear to be fixing it as I type and the plan is to turn it over to residential use.
(https://varlamov.me/2018/stargorod/04.jpg)
Lovely - save it you crazy Russians, save it!
Alas. Old Russia rotting, breaking, demolishing.
Old houses in the city center is beneficial to demolish and build offices and shopping centers.
And there is no money for restoration. And there is no special desires and understanding of, why.
Here about this article - https://varlamov.ru/2783353.html way and "stole" the photo. Article originally published elsewhere online, but here is a photo of the characteristic added.
Author of the note-Chairman of the Moscow regional branch of the all-Russian society for the protection of monuments of history and culture (Voopiik)
Quote from: D Judson Purcell on January 31, 2018, 12:14:55 PM
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http://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/city-council-move-protect-watson-1035410 (http://www.nottinghampost.com/news/local-news/city-council-move-protect-watson-1035410)
An update on this one, the Fothergill's office in Nottingham. They appear to be fixing it as I type and the plan is to turn it over to residential use.
Thanks for the (very good!) news. Hopefully this one has a secure future.
I've just ploughed through all the wonderful steamy buildings in this thread. If I can work out how to do it, I've a few to add from little old Adelaide, South Australia. I've followed the instructions elsewhere but my images don't show up. I went for simplicity and inserted the URL of the image (copied from IMGUR) between the IMG tags provided by clicking the image icon. I have a bit of web design experience and used the usual "img src= "(url)" but that was useless to me too.
I feel like I am missing the bleeding obvious somewhere. The page seems to take forever to load (lots of images) so maybe if I come back tomorrow ...
Otherwise, can someone possibly help my guide dog and I?
Here's a final test... (https://imgur.com/wEWxqO2) There should be a photo showing right above these words.
EDIT; OK, got it! It turned out I missed the obvious... Pics to follow next page.
Nup, no photo, Melrose!
That link doesn't point to an image, it points to a web page with an image in it. The [img] tags only work with URLs that end in .png, .jpg, .gif &c., such as this:
(https://i.imgur.com/wEWxqO2.jpg)
The tag is [img width=640 height=480]https://i.imgur.com/wEWxqO2.jpg[/img].
Those sill bu@@ers at imgur, strip the file suffix from the image meaning that it can't be recognised elsewhere as an image. The suffix is vital!
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If you right click on an imgur hosted image you will see the shareable links, utilise the one that seems the best for you and ignore how they try to steer you, just select an image with a suffix.
Nice Imperial image there! I feel at home.
Thanks all - makes sense when I see the answer!
The preceding pic is the lighthouse and old customs building, Port Adelaide, from offshore. You can climb the lighthouse. The Maritime Museum is a couple of blocks inland to the left, the Railway Museum (where Steampunk gatherings are held in September) a little further in the same direction. I believe there's a costume museum somewhere too.
Below is a clearer view of the Customs House. Behind it (not in view) is a nice colonial police station, with arches all around. I heard the plans were for a station in India but they were accidentally sent here, and we kept them.
(https://i.imgur.com/NmSslff.jpg)
I find some fun things in side streets around town, too. A lot of these places in the Adelaide city itself - old residences or offices built round a throughway to stables.
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The Adelaide Arcade (Rundle Mall to Grenfell St.) is a nice piece of architecture, retaining the old style even after a fire gutted it in the 1980s. Next a view inside from street level. Some history and pics are at http://adelaidearcade.com.au/history/ (http://adelaidearcade.com.au/history/) but here's the fountain at the Mall end, and part of the facade.
(https://i.imgur.com/QTY69f4.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/NZCZvfk.jpg)
Off the main roads in James Place, a classic sweets shop. The decor is recent but the style works for me.
(https://i.imgur.com/6KAU96B.jpg)
A few minutes away between main roads is the old Stock Exchange.
(https://i.imgur.com/myjbSMu.jpg)
On the cultural side of North Terrace, tucked away behind the South Australian Museum, is the old Mounted Police Barracks. When I was a child it housed the children's library. In later years it has hosted various museums. There are two good coffee shops a minute in either direction.
(https://i.imgur.com/tgY7c2m.jpg)
The barracks form three sides of a parade square. This is the outer wall of one wing. You can pick stables and armory if you wander.
(https://i.imgur.com/2BxCPOc.jpg)
A door in the Barracks. The signage mystifies me. The separate colonies federated at the turn of the century, and the Commonwealth, I think, was created in 1949 (it used to be the Empire). I would have thought the separate colonies would be irrelevant. Anyhoo...
(https://i.imgur.com/hvvIIB5.jpg)
You don't see this often. Clearly it was being transported by airship and the chain gave way. It crashed down outside the Art Gallery, North Terrace. They've cleaned it up since.
(https://i.imgur.com/7U0jqMY.jpg)
Lots of nice old homes in the city square mile, but many are now professional suites. These beauties are on Angas St.
(https://i.imgur.com/kYDz5a1.jpg)
And that's probably more than enough for one post. Watch this space (or the one a few posts later!)
Good old Adelaide - city of Light!
One of the few towns/cities to survive WWI with it's German name intact!
Quote from: Banfili on February 28, 2018, 04:58:20 AM
Good old Adelaide - city of Light!
One of the few towns/cities to survive WWI with it's German name intact!
That's royalty for you, all related! Those without royal links didn't fare as well. "Blumburg" became Birdwood and still is - but it has a great auto museum. Hahndorf is still there. It has a war memorial for all the local boys who went to fight for Australia - most of them with German names.
A few more pics. I'd like a house like this, but it's a university. It's still olde-worlde inside though. Has a student bar downstairs.
(https://i.imgur.com/RRaO5Om.jpg)
Indulging my fascination with dingy alleys...
(https://i.imgur.com/IqskMD7.jpg) and (https://i.imgur.com/A15hlAz.jpg)
The eclectic end of Rundle Street. Great shops, pubs and eateries at this end. Lots of terrace lace too.
(https://i.imgur.com/pdnAkSN.jpg)
Inside the Mortlock Library - what a great name, nearly Wellsian! Access via a catwalk from the modern library. It's a quiet study area. Students pore over glowing screens. The things all round them on the shelves are to deaden the noise. I think occasional Steampunk folk gather there for photos etc. What better place?
(https://i.imgur.com/Hsc9joy.jpg)
I remember those paper things with covers on them and not a single hypertext link! Same library.
(https://i.imgur.com/F2FlnG1.jpg)
Library staircase, usually closed, but not the day I took this shot! The place has a few nice staircases, and a small "Geographical Society" museum which is intermittently open.
(https://i.imgur.com/35PvGm2.jpg)
Or you can do your research here. An antique shop on Grote St. There's this area way down the back, overlooked by the less attentive. Smells of mustiness, lots of goodies, and books which were treatises on the world of our parents and grandparents.
(https://i.imgur.com/U7GAIdT.jpg)
If I haven't bored everyone, the best is yet to come. Ayers House - a rabbit warren of two levels and servant's quarters and kitchen below-stairs. I'd give somebody else's right arm to spend a night in it...
Not bored anyone.
Lovely images, more required.
I feel very at home. Victorian architecture does what it was designed to do, encompass a people and give them a character regardless of location. Some of those buildings could have been lifted straight from the UK. The colonial style of shop with covered verandah walkways is the only style that does not immediately look at home here in the UK. There were a few similar examples of building that were built in what we would call a temporary or shanty style in locations that were new and not expected to survive, temporary railway villages for navvis &c.
The verandahs aren't needed here, not being that sunny, so we have traditionally used temporary awnings instead that pull out and roll back in when not needed.
Germantown, in NSW became Holbrook, and is the pretty much the only inland town (about 7 hours from the coast!) to host not one, but two submarines! One Australian, one Japanese!
Not particularly steamy but oldish, 1760s - the view outside my door today...
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I could make that into a Christmas card.
Mr Melrose. That Gérard & Goodman building is intriguing
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on February 28, 2018, 05:24:21 PM
Not particularly steamy but oldish, 1760s - the view outside my door today...
I could make that into a Christmas card.
So 1760 was an old building in the steam era. ;) And yes, you certainly could, beautiful shot.
UncleBert, very true. Architecture here can be found all round Australia. The surrounding verandahs were very necessary before air conditioning. Late I might post something on an old mansion a block behind where I grew up, apropos old wide verandahs.
Hurricane Annie, since I took that shot the building has been demolished. Before that it was abandoned. They used to be a firm of opticians as far back as I remember. Look here - http://www.awesomeadelaide.com/tag/gerard-and-goodman/ (http://www.awesomeadelaide.com/tag/gerard-and-goodman/) and click on the thumbnail for the front of the building (it shows two of their premises, this is the one on the left).
OK, some more, then. Firstly, the outside of the Mortlock Library on North Terrace has just been cleared of scaffolding after a long cleaning process. This shot was taken this morning.
(https://i.imgur.com/kEMK5l9.jpg)
These are at Ayers House, North Tce., Adelaide. Firstly the frontage from near the street entrance to the grounds.
(https://i.imgur.com/2Pxo7Bp.jpg)
This room is behind the further bay window. It seems to have been a function area, and holding areas for food and drink are at the end opposite this view. The panelling below the windows is real, that on the walls is painted on. Similar visual tricks were done in other parts of the room to simulate plaster reliefs.
(https://i.imgur.com/wLMDzne.jpg)
Looking towards the dining room from a retiring room for the ladies. I suppose they tatted and crocheted whilst the gentlemen did important things like smoke and knock back port.
(https://i.imgur.com/Kqat3sQ.jpg)
The house has a cellar, and two floors above ground, but only one floor at the front. This is the upstairs hallway, bedrooms on the left, nursery and things on the right. A right turn at the far end goes to toilets and a very steampunk bathroom.
(https://i.imgur.com/E2PtcyA.jpg)
A surprising find in the nursery. These drawers all open and contain what the labels say they do.
(https://i.imgur.com/UiZcPsL.jpg)
I hope to revisit the place soon, maybe I'll get more and better pics. Now some odd bits, not strictly buildings. May contain buildings or be close to or inside one though. Firstly a great old cemetery, off Main North Road. Lovecraft would have called it "North Road Burying Ground". This pic, by accident, even seems to have a vintage washed out colour, to me. Quite extensive, with a central chapel, and a number of crypts, and weeping angels in flocks.
(https://i.imgur.com/aG11H3Q.jpg)
A number of Aussie aviation pioneers are buried here. Here's a shot of the grave of Jimmy Melrose, whose name was a spur of the moment decision as my nom de plume here. Ross and Keith Smith, who flew their Vickers Vimy from England to Australia in 1919, and one of whom was Lawrence of Arabia's pilot, are nearby, as is Harry Butler, less famous except in Australia.
(https://i.imgur.com/ciQJjRM.jpg)
A couple of oddments. The Port Adelaide Railway Museum, included here because, in my forlorn search for steampunk life in my neighbourhood, I found photos of folk in costume on this very spot.
(https://i.imgur.com/pC98HNu.jpg)
And I may be the last South Aussie on this forum to learn that there's a steampunk shop 'way down Hindley St.
(https://i.imgur.com/l8sJpif.jpg)
That's it for a while now.
Some fine piccies there.
Ayers House, you'd struggle to find a house like that in the UK. British architecture in concept but different in form and style. Single storey - you'd not find that here for such a big house as they would always be two or more storeys. Round bay windows are a style normally found in more homely buildings, town houses and the like originating in the UK in the 18th century and then not typically in larger houses. Of course a verandah.
Look at the square block behind Ayers House, I wonder how long it took them to come up with the idea of a rectangle? Alright it has a verandah of sorts too I suppose. Modern architects really should be shot for doing what they have done to our fine cities. All of them, their families, too, friends and pets.
The graves and that whole graveyard scene could have been lifted directly from a graveyard here in the UK. The Victorians knew the architecture of death.
The broad gauge steam trains look rather different to our standard gauge locomotives though the earlier trains themselves are similar in style with all the working gubbins being hidden from worried female eyes.
Unfortunately, UncleAlbert, a lot of Adelaide's characteristic buildings are vanishing in favour of glass, steel and plastic. Ayers House is a favourite of mine exactly because it was a bit of a rabbit warren inside with large spaces and ornate decor, and made me wish I lived somewhere where such places were more common. It is in fact two storys (plus cellar), that part being set behind the single-level front rooms. The second story roof peak is just visible in the photo.
I grew up in what was then the edge of the Adelaide suburbs, five miles from town, and there was an old mansion a block behind us. It was demolished in about 1961 to make way for units, but not before us kids had cautiously explored the abandoned house. I'll put together something later and put it up here.
To bring an end to my hogging this thread, this is possibly what sowed the seeds of steampunkery in me, nearly 60 years ago. I think it fits this topic.
When I was growing up at Blair Athol, a northern suburb of Adelaide SA, in the '50s, there was an old mansion a block behind our house. I don't recall seeing anyone living there. It was an ignored part of my landscape for a while, though I walked past it to school in the mid-50s every day.
A few years later, a number of low-income families shared it as tenants, and with signs of life, I paid it more attention. I got a "Brownie Starlet" camera for a birthday and in about 1960 took a photo of the house just before demolition. I bothered, because it was then an abandoned mansion we played in.
It was known locally as "The Homestead". It went by "Livingstone House" and "Magarey House" in earlier times. The property was purchased as an investment, for ₤80, on 1st June, 1840. It was sold three more times, fetching ₤400 in 1852. A few sales and divisions later, a block on North Road was conveyed in 1856 to the Lord Bishop of Adelaide "for the erection and maintenance of a church for the public worship of Almighty God according to the rites and ceremonies of the United Church of England and Ireland, and also for the maintenance and erection of a school in connection with the said church". The school was never built, but St. Clements Church is still there and in use.
In August 1857 Thomas Magarey, a miller, brought the house and an adjacent 51 acres. He enlarged the house. Part of his improvements included a Turkish bath which "was available to all who needed it". By 1895 the residence was known as Livingstone House. The Magarey family mostly occupied the house during winter. In summer, they moved to their other house at Glenelg.
(https://i.imgur.com/IZCxPSa.jpg)
The Magarey family, in 1911; Alec, Jean, Thomas, Nessie, Agnes, Allan, Mary, and Neil ("Jim").
In January 1905, William and Mary Ann Warren purchased the home and grounds from the executors of the late Thomas Magarey. They changed the name to 'Blair Athol House', Mary having grown up in Scotland near a place of that name.
The suburb named Blair Athol was declared in 1915 by two of their sons, and the long road running past it became Warren Avenue. I think they might have been local councillors, so position has its privilages.
After 1922, there were various occupants of the property, which slowly deteriorated. Some time in that period, a flourishing steam engine and machinery works on the property, run for about thirty years by a David Easom, disappeared. The property was demolished in 1960.
Enough waffle. Pics. Not very big in most cases, and sources lost in time, though I think some were published in a book called "Enfield and the Northern Villages".
Firstly the house from the north-west, about 1895. Next, the driveway in the same period. When I was young, there was an old post-federation house about a quarter mile towards Adelaide (which was 5 miles away), on the Main North Road. I was told that was next to the driveway gates for Livingstone House, and one of the owners used to drive in and out in his sulky and toss sovereigns to the common folk. There is now a motel over that location, but good luck.
(https://i.imgur.com/X6U1UVc.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/v1BWtGL.jpg)
Below, a stile east of the house. From the dress, I guess it might have been in the same period. A photo shoot was an occasion, not a frequent thing. No selfies.
(https://i.imgur.com/AidhzxM.jpg)
Now, we're in 1910. Here we see the what appeared as an upper floor in the first pic is absent, but there is still a three-level tower. At the back, steps led down to a cellar and probable servant's quarters. At the front that level was half above ground, as you see here. I always believed the place originally had a full two floors above ground, one of which was unusually short-lived. Looking closely at the photo of the stile, immediately above, you can pick two stories. The internet is a big blank, when I ask Google.
Certainly there's roof space for an attic in the next view, but this is a place with hot summers, and nobody would spend much time right under an iron roof.
(https://i.imgur.com/Ea5mHTn.jpg)
The north-east steps and tower, still complete, about 1920.
(https://i.imgur.com/TPStwv3.jpg)
Below, date unknown, showing the eastern gates to the yard from Warren Avenue. The tower is still extant, and what appears to be a glass-house at the near corner of the building. When I knew the house, the small outbuildings at left and the gates remained, the tower was shortened, and there was no sign of the glass-house. Signs of development are appearing beyond the block, along a road which became known as The Crescent, and along which I walked to school in Grades 1 and 2. Remember the background house, with its all-round Aussie verandah.
(https://i.imgur.com/3hEYnQU.jpg)
Finally, we're into my lifetime ;) with this shot I took ca 1960. Unkempt yard, the top part of the tower lost over intervening decades. The house next door with its colonial verandah is still there.
(https://i.imgur.com/2vO75BH.jpg)
I walked by in 2014, and took this from about the same spot. The units are early 1960s. If you look beside the parked vehicles, you can see from its roof that the house in the earlier two pics is still there.
(https://i.imgur.com/ceiAWSU.jpg)
When I was ten, we kids used to sneak in and, very cautiously, poke around til we were sure there were no "tramps". Then the hide-and- seek and the adventures started. They went on until a police patrol called by a neighbour turned up, and we fled around the corner.
I remember rooms below ground (at the front, they were only partly below), and a main floor. Of the upper floor there was no sign, and then I didn't even know there had been one. There was no sign of inside stairs, just outside ones (servants had to brave the elements). I do remember one hallway off to one side had no doors at all leading off it, just what looked like a panelled over window at its far end. It made no sense to us, except if we thought spooky thoughts. We pried open the panelling a bit and looked through. It was a relief that nothing looked back. As best we could see there was a whole room on the other side, with a couple of feet of rubble up to the window sill. We didn't go in. Friday night horror movies told us about skeletal hands clutching up from such places. Nowadays, looking at the old photos, I think I can see the reasons for the dead-end corridor and lost room.
Well, there you go. Hope this isn't a thread hijack :) but it seemed to fit the theme.
Chicago Water Crib:
(https://www.commondreams.org/sites/default/files/styles/cd_large/public/privatizingchicagowater.jpg?itok=wtGnD1uw)
Interior:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6023/5920980813_a72903b626_b.jpg)
There has nine of these with varying appearances. They are in Lake Michigan, a couple of miles from shore, built on top of the water intakes for Chicago's water treatment system. They were built between 1892 and 1918.
More information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cribs_in_Chicago (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cribs_in_Chicago)
There are prettier versions in the lake:
Say good bye to this one though as it is scheduled for demolition!
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You Americans have no soul.
They would make excellent secret lairs.
Quote from: Antipodean on March 03, 2018, 10:07:21 PM
They would make excellent secret lairs.
They would, if they were on the other side of the border. :P
You should love this video - it gives a real impression of what life in the days of steam would be really like. Britain's major manufacturing cities would be crammed with factories powered by steam in this manner. Play it full screen to get the best effect and start from the beginning!
Ellenroad Engine House First Steaming Day of 2013 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaIr8biE6bU#)
Don't ask me what happens at 10:29 - I can't explain it either. The only thing I could find to say was WTF! I suggest you might want to FWD when the coconut chaps appear! ::)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on March 04, 2018, 01:03:20 PM
Don't ask me what happens at 10:29 - I can't explain it either. The only thing I could find to say was WTF! I suggest you might want to FWD when the coconut chaps appear! ::)
Wonderful eccentricity... Or just madness? ::) According to Wiki, the myth is that the custom was started by Moors who became miners in Cornwall and then later moved to Lancashire to work in the quarries... Not likely to be true, but rather it probably is just a zany custom started by local workers playing dark elves of sorts ;D
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on March 04, 2018, 05:59:31 PM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on March 04, 2018, 01:03:20 PM
Don't ask me what happens at 10:29 - I can't explain it either. The only thing I could find to say was WTF! I suggest you might want to FWD when the coconut chaps appear! ::)
Wonderful eccentricity... Or just madness? ::) According to Wiki, the myth is that the custom was started by Moors who became miners in Cornwall and then later moved to Lancashire to work in the quarries... Not likely to be true, but rather it probably is just a zany custom started by local workers playing dark elves of sorts ;D
They look like Morris dancers in blackface. I 'spect some white folk will take vicarious offense at that.
This thread draws me like a moth to flame. The sheer s of craftmenship and design is fabulous and inspiring
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on March 09, 2018, 02:56:14 PM
This thread draws me like a moth to flame. The sheer s of craftmenship and design is fabulous and inspiring
Don't say things like that - it only encourages us!
Some stuff not from where I live, this time. Just visiting.
Firstly, a little from Perth and area, Western Australia. The Perth CBD seen from the park along the Swan River is squeaky-clean modern, steel and glass, and yet I think it looks quite nice. We won't go there, though, but we'll poke around the streets. Most of what I photographed is just barely in-period.
Old Perth Fire Station, built around 1900
(https://i.imgur.com/al3LEqm.jpg)
Perth Town Hall, commenced 1867. The only Australian town hall built by convict labour. Next is the building at street level.
(https://i.imgur.com/eEHrcxt.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/mCrF5uU.jpg)
Perth Mint, Hay St., 1899
(https://i.imgur.com/M20lKFJ.jpg)
London Court, on Hay Street Mall. It was built in 1937 but I'm going for effect now. It has a roleplaying game club and shop downstairs. Walking through the entrance in the previous shot brings us into the Court, or possibly Diagon Alley.
(https://i.imgur.com/rWSX2Za.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/TcwVyEq.jpg)
A short trip down the coast to Fremantle, which has a nice maritime museum (it's in another thread, I noticed), markets and terrace-lace architecture. This isn't exactly a building, but the Leeuwin II under way. It's a barquentine used for youth training programs and, to my surprise, was launched in 1986 - not 1896.
(https://i.imgur.com/ErUsina.jpg)
Ah, this is more like it! A few shots in the streets of Snohomish, WA (Washington, not Western Australia). I wouldn't turn down a house like the first one, though I might repaint it.
(https://i.imgur.com/6E2itrt.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/09lVeck.jpg)
Again in Snohomish, the allegedly haunted Oxford Tavern, built from a kit mass-produced back east.
(https://i.imgur.com/s5TSSPH.jpg)
A nice building near Pioneer Square, Seattle, seen from an alley. I can't for the life of me identify the alley on Google Maps, so maybe it was one of those timey-wimey things. I was on the underground tour at the time, which is worth doing. After Seattle burned down, they took the opportunity to raise the streets above flood level. However, the footpaths ('sidewalks') belonged to the business owners and they didn't want to pay, so a shopping trip required familiarity with ladders. Eventually they got on board and the old street level became the basements. And the illicit business ventures, things like that.
(https://i.imgur.com/OfyqIHM.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/tEfOoKY.jpg)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on March 03, 2018, 10:02:21 AM
There are prettier versions in the lake:
Say good bye to this one though as it is scheduled for demolition!
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You Americans have no soul.
If you want to hear a worse story, look up Meigs Field.
Quote from: RJBowman on March 10, 2018, 04:49:51 PM
If you want to hear a worse story, look up Meigs Field.
That was proof that a bulldozer beats ethics and possibly legality.
My home. Or maybe it's Dieselpunk with an Atompunk casting. I have been researching my own abode and it's history. After digging through layers of bureaucracy, it turned up that the original dwelling was built for the wife of a local engineering company owner circa 1930 and has a shop attached. It may have been an engineering yard at some stage. In the 60s the new owner, an electrician for a government department, added to the dwelling, now on a much smaller section. The small corner shop was removed. He had a house transported from the local air field; where houses used for a temporary ww2 Airforce base were being removed to aid expansion of the New Plymouth Airport.
There have been a long list of owners since. The landscaping and interior design is my layer of history.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=903714236472556&id=408972709280047 (https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=903714236472556&id=408972709280047)
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Not so romantic.
(https://travel.rambler.ru/media/original_images/4f14eab58e611.jpg)
Massandra Palace of Emperor Alexander III is located in the Upper Massandra on the southern coast of Crimea. Now it is a Palace-Museum-branch of Alupka Palace-Park Museum-reserve.
The construction of the Palace began in 1881, by order of Prince Semyon Mikhailovich Vorontsov. The project in the style of Louis XIII was developed by Etienne Bouchard. In 1882, in connection with the death of Prince Vorontsov, the construction of the Palace stopped.
In 1889 the estate was purchased by the Specific Agency for Alexander III. Architect P. K. Terebenev described the condition of the Palace with the purchase of the estate: "a Stone building of two storeys, part with basement, built of local lime stone rocks right masonry, well-proportioned, zinc roof with Dormer Windows; the building consists of walls, roof zinc, and all the premises are put the iron beams, the remaining parts of the building are not available. The cost of the building of solidity and strength of construction can be estimated at 85 thousand rubles." From 1892 to 1902 the construction of the Palace ensemble continued under the project of Maximilian mesmacher. Maximilian Egorovich retained the size and style of the structure, but using new decorative materials and techniques, unrecognizable transformed it, turning the ascetic knight's castle into a fairy-tale tower. The construction was led by architect Oscar Emilievich Wegener. The Palace belonged to Alexander III and then Nicholas II. Reigning persons visiting Tavrida often visited this Palace, but never stayed in it to spend the night.
(https://cs8.pikabu.ru/post_img/2017/11/03/3/1509676438145337210.jpg)
Terem in Pogorelovo. Kostroma region.
Oh those Russians... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErDGpdmBZkY#)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on March 27, 2018, 08:42:11 AM
Oh those Russians... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErDGpdmBZkY#)
Always a foot stomper
Quote from: morozow on March 12, 2018, 09:12:58 AM
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Not so romantic.
(https://travel.rambler.ru/media/original_images/4f14eab58e611.jpg)
Massandra Palace of Emperor Alexander III is located in the Upper Massandra on the southern coast of Crimea. Now it is a Palace-Museum-branch of Alupka Palace-Park Museum-reserve.
The construction of the Palace began in 1881, by order of Prince Semyon Mikhailovich Vorontsov. The project in the style of Louis XIII was developed by Etienne Bouchard. In 1882, in connection with the death of Prince Vorontsov, the construction of the Palace stopped.
In 1889 the estate was purchased by the Specific Agency for Alexander III. Architect P. K. Terebenev described the condition of the Palace with the purchase of the estate: "a Stone building of two storeys, part with basement, built of local lime stone rocks right masonry, well-proportioned, zinc roof with Dormer Windows; the building consists of walls, roof zinc, and all the premises are put the iron beams, the remaining parts of the building are not available. The cost of the building of solidity and strength of construction can be estimated at 85 thousand rubles." From 1892 to 1902 the construction of the Palace ensemble continued under the project of Maximilian mesmacher. Maximilian Egorovich retained the size and style of the structure, but using new decorative materials and techniques, unrecognizable transformed it, turning the ascetic knight's castle into a fairy-tale tower. The construction was led by architect Oscar Emilievich Wegener. The Palace belonged to Alexander III and then Nicholas II. Reigning persons visiting Tavrida often visited this Palace, but never stayed in it to spend the night.
Quote from: morozow on March 26, 2018, 12:25:08 PM
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Terem in Pogorelovo. Kostroma region.
Very impressive! The mist in the first set just adds to the buildings' character.
Yours,
Miranda.
Thank you friends.
The towers has its own history. It is located in the abandoned village of Pogorelovo.
Now it lives Anatoly Zhigalov, He is a poet, artist, and translator.
And built the tower in Pogorelov in 1902 — 1903 by local farmer Ivan Polyashov. he was engaged in the construction of country houses and small architectural forms in St. Petersburg and its surroundings, was a contractor. All came out very good — Palachova had taste and acumen, and the Guild has talented workers. Therefore, there were even orders from the Winter Palace.
Then already rich he returned home and built a house.
Here's the story about the journey to that tower - https://holiday-trips.ru/page/terem-pogorelovo
A lot of text and more photos.
This is what I'd do...
http://youtu.be/RBHZFYpQ6nc (http://youtu.be/RBHZFYpQ6nc)
Quote from: morozow on March 27, 2018, 10:27:35 PM
The towers has its own history. It is located in the abandoned village of Pogorelovo.
Strange architecture - temporary in nature due to its wood construction. Might start to literally collapse within the next 50 years due to the decay in the wood that comprises the whole structure. Wood such as hard oak that is enclosed and protected can keep its strength for hundreds of years, in the UK we have medieval/tudor cottages that have their original oak beams. I lived in one for years and the wood was like iron. However, the wood on that building is exposed and so the whole thing, every decoration needs to be repaired/conserved and protected. A large glass dome perhaps...
It seems strange to see what looks like a permanent structure built from such an impermanent material. Cheaper I suppose or the local vernacular.
In the US it was the same, acres of towns built entirely from wood, all long gone due to decay. You can see the older buildings start to sag. In the US (central and West) they still seem to build homes from wood, we see the unhappy result after storms/cyclones in their news. In the UK construction has been almost universally brick-based since the 1600s though wood can be seen as cladding in Kent.
That Russian house is fascinating and I can see why someone would fall in love with the thing. I refer you to my recent video...
If the wooden house is permanently inhabited, It can stand for a long time. Although of course long, this usually about 100 years.
Such houses can be gradually sorted out and repaired. If in time to change the bottom wreaths of a felling which come into contact with the earth and snow and to be protected from bugs of ancient potters, then problems shouldn't be
well, much depends on the tree and the surrounding climate.
In Russia there are unique wooden buildings which are 600 years old.
A lot of repair and upkeep but anyone can do it I suppose. Still to my eyes a two-storey building should be in brick or stone. All that effort and after a 100 years it can't keep its end up!
Beautiful though (but mad).
Yes. This wooden building is gradually being destroyed.
As far as I understand, the current owner has no money for restoration. And even on a good home care.
It's very sad.
One hope. The house can attract the attention of some activists and restore it on a voluntary basis. As it was with the "house of the lion." It is painted peasant hut dated 1910-ies.
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I was in town a few days ago, and called on my favourite city antique shop. First a pic I prepared earlier. To my dismay, it's closing down, as the owner is getting on a bit. They'd like to find someone to keep it going, but regardless, retirement is beckoning. Sad. But locals might find something cheaper than usual.
(https://i.imgur.com/MxDZIGF.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/bOPQho3.jpg)
On a brighter note, I've always liked the look of this. It's the palm conservatory in the Adelaide Botanic Gardens, and dates from 1877.
(https://i.imgur.com/AW2YPmb.jpg)
This rotunda on Adelaide's River Torrens was made in Glasgow in 1882 and shipped to Adelaide on my birthday (though I wasn't yet around).
(https://i.imgur.com/qCe7OjJ.jpg)
The Terraces, at the North End of Pulteney St. Adelaide, before city living was a hipster thing.
(https://i.imgur.com/cCHD16p.jpg)
Finally, Morozow, I am loving your atmospheric photos!
There is enough surviving Victoriana in Adelaide to make me want to visit. Lovely stuff there. That bandstand reminds me of Brighton.
A good link to see a few more:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=victorian+bandstand&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiV3-PX1araAhXmLcAKHUcJBEgQ_AUICigB&biw=1064&bih=529 (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=victorian+bandstand&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiV3-PX1araAhXmLcAKHUcJBEgQ_AUICigB&biw=1064&bih=529)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on April 08, 2018, 12:45:25 PM
There is enough surviving Victoriana in Adelaide to make me want to visit. Lovely stuff there. That bandstand reminds me of Brighton.
A good link to see a few more:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=victorian+bandstand&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiV3-PX1araAhXmLcAKHUcJBEgQ_AUICigB&biw=1064&bih=529 (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=victorian+bandstand&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiV3-PX1araAhXmLcAKHUcJBEgQ_AUICigB&biw=1064&bih=529)
They are called rotunda here in the Antipodes. They are a hang over front the days of the Empire. There are still a few classic examples left around the place. All self respecting parks had one.
Here is our local one
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And the " Chinese Pavilion"
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Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on April 08, 2018, 12:45:25 PM
There is enough surviving Victoriana in Adelaide to make me want to visit. Lovely stuff there. That bandstand reminds me of Brighton.
Adelaide isn't alone. Most bigger towns will have shops like that antique shop in my pic or the small town houses in my earlier shots (except possibly very northern places like Darwin, which had to cope with WW2 bombs and occasional cyclones).
(The catch about steampunking here is we have long periods of warm weather. Makes it hard to get around in a frock coat and waistcoat, under an Inverness cape. Later this week we have a few days in the low 20º range, and I intend to dress for Friday 13th and impress (one way or the other) my local coffee shop denizens. ;) )
The bandstand still gets used now and then.
Quote from: Melrose on April 08, 2018, 09:32:41 AM
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On a brighter note, I've always liked the look of this. It's the palm conservatory in the Adelaide Botanic Gardens, and dates from 1877.
(https://i.imgur.com/AW2YPmb.jpg)
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The conservatory looks to be an ideal location for a punknick. Our local group has an annual outing to the Birmingham Botanical Guardans and I can attest that such glasshouses make an excellent backdrop for such events.
Yours,
Miranda.
One of my local Antique/Junk shops recently updated it's 'Closing Down Sale' sign after at least ten years of use. ;)
Quote from: Miranda.T on April 09, 2018, 03:28:21 PM
The conservatory looks to be an ideal location for a punknick. Our local group has an annual outing to the Birmingham Botanical Guardans and I can attest that such glasshouses make an excellent backdrop for such events.
Yours,
Miranda.
Yes, it has a nice open lawn area and is almost next to the kiosk if provisions run low. You could ride a "Popeye" passenger launch to the zoo then walk through the park along the river to the conservatory corner of the gardens.
;D at that, Fairley! I live in hope but the owner is rather long in the tooth.
A few weeks ago, my photography club and I went to Fort de la Chartreuse in Luik, Belgium.
It's an old fort from the first and second world war, with both periods building styles.
It is all made with brick and concrete, ment to last a war, so up to today still safe to walk on.
I think it's a perfect scenery for a post accopalyptic/steampunk movie of photoshoot.
What might be a dowside is that almost everything is covered with graffity, but that gives every room it's own character.
Fort de la Chartreuse is easy to access for urban explorers. As a matter a fact, the buildings are part of a city park.
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The fort would make a fine home - subject to planning, and the right renovation! But I don't think one would get away with the very big guns!
I sailed to a tropical isle on a mighty quest..
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The treasure was a bit thin on the ground though...
Nice sheds but not really steampunk...
If you think those are correct then I think you will find these a little more steamy:
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1021&bih=545&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=DvveWoSgG6GQgAbykJdA&q=shepherd%27s+hut&oq=shepherd%27s+hut&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l3j0i30k1l7.28506.32307.0.32600.14.11.0.3.3.0.635.2195.2-6j5-1.7.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..4.10.2417...0i67k1.0.MailYQ4IAMk (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1021&bih=545&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=DvveWoSgG6GQgAbykJdA&q=shepherd%27s+hut&oq=shepherd%27s+hut&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l3j0i30k1l7.28506.32307.0.32600.14.11.0.3.3.0.635.2195.2-6j5-1.7.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..4.10.2417...0i67k1.0.MailYQ4IAMk)
The above is a google link that will show you lots of Shepherd Hut images.
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(https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02723/hut1_2723807k.jpg)
These were traditionally pulled by steam engines, so steamy they are.
Quote from: chironex on April 24, 2018, 12:11:09 AM
I sailed to a tropical isle on a mighty quest..
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(https://img00.deviantart.net/78d7/i/2018/112/1/8/butler_hut_by_thoughtengine-dc9lnzd.jpg)
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(https://img00.deviantart.net/7f29/i/2018/112/a/4/butler_hut_by_thoughtengine-dc9lnp0.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/a9a1/i/2018/112/3/f/hayles_cottage_by_thoughtengine-dc9lnje.jpg)
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The treasure was a bit thin on the ground though...
I love that two story one though. I'd love to live in the upper floor and do all my soldering/heavy making in the lower floor.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on April 24, 2018, 10:03:20 AM
Nice sheds but not really steampunk...
If you think those are correct then I think you will find these a little more steamy:
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1021&bih=545&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=DvveWoSgG6GQgAbykJdA&q=shepherd%27s+hut&oq=shepherd%27s+hut&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l3j0i30k1l7.28506.32307.0.32600.14.11.0.3.3.0.635.2195.2-6j5-1.7.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..4.10.2417...0i67k1.0.MailYQ4IAMk (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1021&bih=545&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=DvveWoSgG6GQgAbykJdA&q=shepherd%27s+hut&oq=shepherd%27s+hut&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l3j0i30k1l7.28506.32307.0.32600.14.11.0.3.3.0.635.2195.2-6j5-1.7.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..4.10.2417...0i67k1.0.MailYQ4IAMk)
The above is a google link that will show you lots of Shepherd Hut images.
(https://i2.wp.com/www.roundhillshepherdhuts.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Shepherd-hut-at-Cowdray-Farm-Shop.jpg?resize=1000%2C590)
(https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02723/hut1_2723807k.jpg)
These were traditionally pulled by steam engines, so steamy they are.
And this would be the mobile version. For when I want to escape the inclement weather of Texas in Summer.
Quote from: Banfili on April 23, 2018, 11:11:36 PM
The fort would make a fine home - subject to planning, and the right renovation! But I don't think one would get away with the very big guns!
A fine home? How about a fine village? The biggest building is about 240m (790 ft) long and has 4 levels.
One room is about 80m
3 and one floor has about 60 rooms. And that is just one building of about a dozen.
It's a shame no one has the funds, skills and guts to turn this into something great. :(
I'm guessing there is only one option in saving this site and that would be WWIII.
Although it is an old fort, it would still hold in a war.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on April 24, 2018, 10:03:20 AM
Nice sheds but not really steampunk...
1. Why not? They are period correct and steampunk characters would most likely live in them, not some colossal mansion whose construction ran over budget six times due to the constant addition of more decoration.
2. Those are houses and a school, not sheds.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/4d24/i/2018/120/1/2/townsville_turf_club_entrance_by_thoughtengine-dca8pin.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/bb19/i/2018/120/6/c/townsville_turf_club_catering_by_thoughtengine-dca8pfs.jpg)
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Quote from: chironex on April 30, 2018, 11:11:06 AM
1. Why not?
A shed is a shed. I am building a shed like that in my garden. Standard garden architecture of today. Wood construction. Here are some links:
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1280&bih=625&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=lRjnWvHuCsHbgAbQ86CoCA&q=posh+garden+cabin&oq=posh+garden+cabin&gs_l=psy-ab.3...5337.6361.0.7246.6.6.0.0.0.0.197.499.4j1.5.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.0.0....0._4E_eyUUrec (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1280&bih=625&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=lRjnWvHuCsHbgAbQ86CoCA&q=posh+garden+cabin&oq=posh+garden+cabin&gs_l=psy-ab.3...5337.6361.0.7246.6.6.0.0.0.0.197.499.4j1.5.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.0.0....0._4E_eyUUrec)
At least it is fairly normal around here where we build things like that for our gardens.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsmartonlinewebsites.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F05%2Fluxury-wooden-garden-sheds-shed-handmade-posh-shed-luxury-outdoor-store-garden-office-study-outdoor-room-luxury-timber-sheds-luxury-wooden-sheds-728x540.jpg&hash=36f4cb02c27420a6d9fc7d2147cda4d6e9538148)
(https://www.gardenaffairs.co.uk/assets/components/phpthumbof/cache/Lshaped-garden-office.aecb5d0bbb2a5a830e4d5f2a228adf3c.jpg)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.porkytorky.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F05%2Fenglish-cottage-architecture-Free-Inspiration-home-decor-cottage-style-Decorate-Ideas-2016-Garden-cottage-built-in-the-style-of-the-house.jpg&hash=e38c0c0dcdab99a8675e2db230d07b4de1e3de57)
Also, not steamy. Not pulled by steam, no steam in the things, no Victorian gothic architectural aspect, just plain wooden structures. Timeless, of yesteryear and today with no particular distinguishing characteristics. Posh them up a bit like the following and they might fit.
https://www.google.com/search?q=steampunk+shed&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjRyNvcjOLaAhWJD8AKHddHDd4Q_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=625 (https://www.google.com/search?q=steampunk+shed&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjRyNvcjOLaAhWJD8AKHddHDd4Q_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=625)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftinyhousenews.info%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F09%2FIMG_5296.jpg&hash=1160c2b37babf33e1c6785d47fb3c8a3815dab36)
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Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on April 30, 2018, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: chironex on April 30, 2018, 11:11:06 AM
1. Why not?
A shed is a shed. I am building a shed like that in my garden. Standard garden architecture of today. Wood construction. Here are some links:
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1280&bih=625&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=lRjnWvHuCsHbgAbQ86CoCA&q=posh+garden+cabin&oq=posh+garden+cabin&gs_l=psy-ab.3...5337.6361.0.7246.6.6.0.0.0.0.197.499.4j1.5.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.0.0....0._4E_eyUUrec (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1280&bih=625&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=lRjnWvHuCsHbgAbQ86CoCA&q=posh+garden+cabin&oq=posh+garden+cabin&gs_l=psy-ab.3...5337.6361.0.7246.6.6.0.0.0.0.197.499.4j1.5.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..1.0.0....0._4E_eyUUrec)
At least it is fairly normal around here where we build things like that for our gardens.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fsmartonlinewebsites.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F05%2Fluxury-wooden-garden-sheds-shed-handmade-posh-shed-luxury-outdoor-store-garden-office-study-outdoor-room-luxury-timber-sheds-luxury-wooden-sheds-728x540.jpg&hash=36f4cb02c27420a6d9fc7d2147cda4d6e9538148)
(https://www.gardenaffairs.co.uk/assets/components/phpthumbof/cache/Lshaped-garden-office.aecb5d0bbb2a5a830e4d5f2a228adf3c.jpg)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.porkytorky.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F05%2Fenglish-cottage-architecture-Free-Inspiration-home-decor-cottage-style-Decorate-Ideas-2016-Garden-cottage-built-in-the-style-of-the-house.jpg&hash=e38c0c0dcdab99a8675e2db230d07b4de1e3de57)
Also, not steamy. Not pulled by steam, no steam in the things, no Victorian gothic architectural aspect, just plain wooden structures. Timeless, of yesteryear and today with no particular distinguishing characteristics. Posh them up a bit like the following and they might fit.
https://www.google.com/search?q=steampunk+shed&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjRyNvcjOLaAhWJD8AKHddHDd4Q_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=625 (https://www.google.com/search?q=steampunk+shed&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjRyNvcjOLaAhWJD8AKHddHDd4Q_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=625)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftinyhousenews.info%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F09%2FIMG_5296.jpg&hash=1160c2b37babf33e1c6785d47fb3c8a3815dab36)
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Do I detect a bit of British braggadocio here? "My tool shed is better than your school"? :o
I guess that to the Brits, Victorian Era buildings in the colonies look rather quaint... Honestly, if I had a shed like that (non-Victorian/Modern one at the top picture), with TWO pairs of French doors, and windows in every wall, plus a table and a mini patio, I'd be renting it out (room to let at you say) for $900 a month to a student... ;D Alas, regulations in most American states mean that these buildings are not suitable for habitation - unless you can pass certain city/county/state codes...
There are some very small guest houses in residential areas, but they have to be built according to the same standards as the main house in the property. At that point we no longer call it a "shed." It's not just English language semantics between American and British English; the building is fundamentally different if it can pass human habitation regulations, including structure safety, insulation from the elements, drainage, water/utilities, etc. No one will let you build a habitable building without proper sanitary drainage, electricity and water. Too many years have passed since the days of the "Wild West."
I suppose it is because all our houses are brick and only temporary structures are made of wood. My house is late 1600s and brick but the further you go back the more wood and mud they tend to be. Later buildings are all solid and brick built. Anything made of wood is a barn or an outbuilding or a 'shed'. I am going to construct such a shed in the not too distant future if all goes well. Modern houses in the UK can be made of wood (unusual here) but they will be typically clad in something tougher if you want it to survive. It can be wet and cold and harsh on wood here.
To me a wood structure is just that, not really steamy as such. 20th century buildings I'd find hard to describe as intrinsically steamy. Those shepherds huts - they are steamy, iron wheels on a building, a chimney, a stove, pulled by a steam engine. That is steamy. I can make one of those 'sheds' tomorrow and it will be nice and cosy and useful but it is a shed, a big shed is a big shed. Put same shed by a railway and it is steamy, show me the steam.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on April 30, 2018, 10:31:19 PM
I suppose it is because all our houses are brick and only temporary structures are made of wood. My house is late 1600s and brick but the further you go back the more wood and mud they tend to be. Later buildings are all solid and brick built. Anything made of wood is a barn or an outbuilding or a 'shed'. I am going to construct such a shed in the not too distant future if all goes well. Modern houses in the UK can be made of wood (unusual here) but they will be typically clad in something tougher if you want it to survive. It can be wet and cold and harsh on wood here.
To me a wood structure is just that, not really steamy as such. 20th century buildings I'd find hard to describe as intrinsically steamy. Those shepherds huts - they are steamy, iron wheels on a building, a chimney, a stove, pulled by a steam engine. That is steamy. I can make one of those 'sheds' tomorrow and it will be nice and cosy and useful but it is a shed, a big shed is a big shed. Put same shed by a railway and it is steamy, show me the steam.
The choice in materials is dependent on the geography and history of the colony in question. The cost of sourcing and transporting building materials, within the political context of the era, determines the type of "folkloric" construction methods. Wood is very easy to obtain in North America. A bit harder to obtain in Mexico. So masonry is typical for Mexican residences, while wood is traditional American.
An adobe and masonry construction pub from the 1880s (e.g. Scholz Beer Garden in Austin, Texas) is *very much* period correct - and could be a set for a Weird West - if not Steampunk event.
In 1866, German immigrant August Scholtz built this structure as a meeting place for those interested in song and social activities.
Source: Historic Walking / Driving Tour, Austin Convention and Visitors Bureau
Photo: PICA 08823, Austin History Center, Austin Public Library
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bf/Scholz_garden_2007.jpg/640px-Scholz_garden_2007.jpg)
So I guess you would not call it steamy unless the Beer Garden is connected to the railway somehow. In that case we need to start pruning a great many entries in this thread!! :o But wait a minute... I'm not sure about insisting that steam technology be attached to the building. That was not the original intent of the thread.
Quote from: MarcusJuliusCroft on May 04, 2012, 11:05:38 AM
Hey Guys just wondering, I recently had a look back at all the buildings I thought were Steamy, and was wondering, What buildings do you think are Steampunk and Why? I was hoping to get a list of them compiled together so I could go do some "research" and find something to do. Please help.
The ones I think of when I hear Steamy is the Palais des Machines and the Crystal Palace, What do you think?
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And I guess these surviving 13 Black-cabmen sheds in London, which are still in use, are not Steamy and thus not qualify to be in this thread, yes? ::)
http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20180430-the-secret-green-shelters-that-feed-londons-cabbies (http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20180430-the-secret-green-shelters-that-feed-londons-cabbies)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabmen%27s_Shelter_Fund (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabmen%27s_Shelter_Fund)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4c/Green_Cab_Shelter%2C_Russell_Square.JPG/1280px-Green_Cab_Shelter%2C_Russell_Square.JPG)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a1/A_London_Cabman%27s_Shelter_in_Warwick_Avenue_W9.jpg/1024px-A_London_Cabman%27s_Shelter_in_Warwick_Avenue_W9.jpg)
Quote"This is where the keepers of London's secrets gather"
The Cabmen's Shelter Fund was born in 1875, building the first hut in St John's Wood. It still operates today, though many of the further 60 huts built have since been knocked down. Each hut was built no bigger than a horse and cart, in line with Metropolitan Police rules because they stood on public highways. They provided shelter and sustenance for hackney-carriage (black-cab) drivers, with strict rules against swearing, gaming, gambling and drinking alcohol.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcEJ995U8AAoD_k.jpg)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on April 30, 2018, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: chironex on April 30, 2018, 11:11:06 AM
A shed is a shed.
A house or an accomodation block from a resort, however, are not. A shed is something you park and wrench on a steam tractor in.
We need to shed those preconceptions. Don't house them in your mind to accommodate anyone. Prefabricated opinions hold us within walls of our own building. Don't get steamed up about it. I woodn't.
Doh.
Many Wild West towns started as nothing more than a collection of sheds along a rail road. Most Wild West construction, in fact involved wood plank buildings in close proximity to one another, and that became the "town." We all know this from stereotypical Western cinema. As the United States expanded westward, the rail always preceded the settlers. The towns were built near the train stations for obvious reasons. Hence, it follows that the Western Town has to be steamy - by your own definition. Today we have tourist oriented theme parks built around that stereotypical Wild West model.
Wilmington & western wild west robbery train pt1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP7AtWtPOYQ#)
Illinois Adventure #1502 "Donley's Wild West Town" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=211wjerhXbU#)
So, unclebert, my weatherboard clad, timber framed, steel roofed, three bedroom, two bathroom, underfloor insulated, ceiling insulated house, is, by your definition a shed, then? ;D
Well, how about that - I live in a shed!! ;D
The Gran Hotel, México City. Originally built as the "Mercantile Centre," in 1899. It has a decidedly "Belle Epoch" look to it.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcKihxNU0AEMBS4?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcKib6qVwAEPfP2?format=jpg)
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Quote from: Banfili on May 02, 2018, 12:06:00 AM
So, unclebert, my weatherboard clad, timber framed, steel roofed, three bedroom, two bathroom, underfloor insulated, ceiling insulated house, is, by your definition a shed, then? ;D
Well, how about that - I live in a shed!! ;D
Post a picture and we'll give it a shed rating. One or two sheds perhaps or possibly up to five.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 02, 2018, 04:55:33 AM
The Gran Hotel, México City. Originally built as the "Mercantile Centre," in 1899. It has a decidedly "Belle Epoch" look to it.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcKihxNU0AEMBS4?format=jpg)
Now that isn't a shed. Truly beautiful. How come that building is not better known around the world - it is a gem of a structure.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 02, 2018, 08:31:42 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 02, 2018, 04:55:33 AM
The Gran Hotel, México City. Originally built as the "Mercantile Centre," in 1899. It has a decidedly "Belle Epoch" look to it.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcKihxNU0AEMBS4?format=jpg)
Now that isn't a shed. Truly beautiful. How come that building is not better known around the world - it is a gem of a structure.
Political marginalisation and supremacy from North America means that Latin American cities like Mexico City and Buenos Aires are simply not known to the global public. That is the sad truth.
I would give that building a shed rating of approximately 1000.
Monty Python - Arthur 'Two Sheds' Jackson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLjS3gzHetA#)
I like your argument.
I will say my word. Although I'm not sure how it is relevant.
In my dacha, residential small house is made of wooden structures.
But the barn, once again brick.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 02, 2018, 04:55:50 PM
I would give that building a shed rating of approximately 1000.
Monty Python - Arthur 'Two Sheds' Jackson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLjS3gzHetA#)
Hard to measure it. But it's being referred to as an Art Nouveau Masterpiece. Sadly I never saw it when I was living there. Makes you want to book an airplane ticket and a week at the hotel, right?
Right click to zoom in. Windows: get URL from "image properties"
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcOewvzVwAEPFn6.jpg)
Yes, yes it does!
Marvelous structure, it is!
Might be nice to add some color to the walls, though, or at least nice wallpaper beneath the chair rail.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 02, 2018, 11:11:38 PM
Makes you want to book an airplane ticket and a week at the hotel, right?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcOewvzVwAEPFn6.jpg)
I have to say that I did not expect a building of that quality in the Southern-ish parts of the Americas. It is partly because of my ignorance that such quality buildings were constructed but also because I am surprised it has survived. Those anglo chaps in the North, your neighbours are very prone to demolishing and rebuilding, mistaking change and modernisation for improvement. I had assumed the same in the South. If you have more like that then it would be appreciated if you post.
re: the shed wars... it isn't really the material used in their construction but on my part I think it might be over-familiarity with the shed style as originally posted. That style is SO prevalent here that it seems 'normal' and every day to me. We do forget that what we consider standard here might be considered unusual or even special elsewhere. Most early colonial architecture is by default hurriedly thrown together using the vernacular style and using indigenous materials or imported prefabricated components, they tend to single storey and 'temporary'. By temporary we mean 30-50 years.
I went to Atlanta in the US a while back and saw a tourist sign pointing to Atlanta's oldest building, it proudly boasted 1932. Over here we would consider that a modern building. It is only recently with modern influences (since the war) that buildings have been constructed that might have a designed life of less than 50 years. Prior to that sheds and huts were the predominant temporary style.
A couple more sheds from the UK old and new, the first demonstrating the temporary.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.burwellsocialclub.org.uk%2FImages%2FBuilding_old.jpg&hash=daf5c18265d3068a609cee5a32e572e5de299cbc)
(https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/uploads/project_images/c6/bb/27203/27203-f8e62632351de55c07f729ff4615fb07.jpg)
(https://content.historicengland.org.uk/remote/content.historicengland.org.uk/content/components/galleries/fww/cannock-chase-hut-and-cemetery/cannock-chase-wwi-hut-interior-dp160767.jpg)
You might consider those steamy but I would consider them as normal buildings. These next are great...
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Don't have a photo hosting site, unclebert!
Many antipodean houses, especially early on and especially in the country, were timber framed and clad, due to the dearth of brickworks, and, in the towns, suitable stone. Once brickworks became established more house were brick built, and there are many beautiful sandstone, granite and bluestone buildings constructed, again mostly in towns and the major cities. Rural dwellings continued to be timber framed weatherboard dwellings, with wide verandahs for shade.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 03, 2018, 09:04:50 AM
I have to say that I did not expect a building of that quality in the Southern-ish parts of the Americas. It is partly because of my ignorance that such quality buildings were constructed but also because I am surprised it has survived. Those anglo chaps in the North, your neighbours are very prone to demolishing and rebuilding, mistaking change and modernisation for improvement. I had assumed the same in the South. If you have more like that then it would be appreciated if you post.
Again, part of the problem is the political position of Latin America. The European roots of Latin Americans are practically invisible to the First World. Since children abroad (including, and especially the United States) never get taught *anything* about Latin America's history, basic aspects of those countries just plain go unnoticed (I'm talking culture as well as ethnography in the sense of racial diversity and ethnic make up - remember countries are made of people - not territory. Culture and architecture are the outward manifestation of their history) .
[angry rant]
All that people in the First World know is what they see in the news (odd, foreign looking people with drug cartels, militarism, migrant people, poverty, etc. Maybe, outside of that, a couple of native tribes in the jungles of the Amazon, and naked pretty girls at the beach and dancing in Carnival down in Brazil - those never go unnoticed). So how are people in the First World supposed to know better, if that is all the information that is put out??
When do I get to see a front page article on the BBC, written on the rise of the Aerospace Industry in Brazil and Mexico? How many pople here know what the name Embraer means? How many people know what engineering students are doing at a General Electric research center in Queretaro, Mexico? How many people have heard of the proposed plans for an "Earthscraper" in Mexico City? But we always hear news about a "beautiful wall" with the United States to keep the "bad hombres" out and the Central American migrant "caravans" coming to the border.
Basically a type of character assasination on a massive scale for longer than a century, and affecting an entire continent of people. Such is the unfairness in the cards that history has handed us. Not your fault, but something that should be corrected eventually. Pictures are worth a thousand words. Just avoid looking at Reuters, Associated Press, and National Geographic as your sole source of pictures. There's a lot more you're not being shown.
[/angry rant]
I had already posted these two buildings on page 3 of this thread, but just as a reminder:
Palacio de Bellas Artes (Palace of Fine Arts) in Mexico City (2007 (CC) Carolina Lopez)
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Then there are these two "thumbnails" (Click on link below for gigantic picture)
Palacio de Correos (Main Post Office); interior staircase area Mexico City (2007, GNU Free Doc. Lic, Uwebart)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Panorama_staircase_Palacio_Postal_Mexico.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Panorama_staircase_Palacio_Postal_Mexico.jpg)
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Theres also a lot more in the 20th. C. that falls outside of the Victorian Edwardian era. For modern architecture, Mexico City is also a gem of cavalier architecture). Will post more as soon as I can find.
JW.
Fabulous building Mr Wilhelm. Central and South American culture is rich. I was surprised in recent years when I realised just how much of the US had originally been Spanish and French owned and part of Latin America. It has lead to interesting and aesthetic house architecture. The Spanish Revival and Shot Gun styles lend a steamy atmosphere in its many meanings
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Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 03, 2018, 09:29:42 PM
Fabulous building Mr Wilhelm. Central and South American culture is rich. I was surprised in recent years when I realised just how much of the US had originally been Spanish and French owned and part of Latin America. It has lead to interesting and aesthetic house architecture. The Spanish Revival and Shot Gun styles lend a steamy atmosphere in its many meanings
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The Americans inherited a number of structures from the Spanish and Mexican, and a few from the Native.
Admittedly what the Americans took by force/inherited was very sparse compared to the Spanish development in the territory south from present day borders. The Northern Viceroyalty of New Spain was really very sparsely populated, and very much was a frontier outpost for the Spanish, and later the Mexicans, who finally were the ones to lose the territory in the Mexican American War of the 1840s. Texas became independent because the Mexicans, in particular the infamous President Santa Anna, invited American migrants to the Texas territory, in exchange for swearing loyalty to Mexico and adopting the Catholic faith, based on fear that unpopulated the territory could be lost.... That measure backfired royally, didn't it? I think no single man can be made more responsible for that loss than Santa Anna.
Missions, churches, cathedrals and governor's buildings is most of the types of construction that ended up in American hands. A good chunk of it made from cheap local materials such as adobe.
The oldest buildings in America tend to be inherited and date back to Spanish Conquest times post 1512, such as the Palace of the Governor in New Mexico, an adobe building built as the capital of the Northern Spanish Frontier, around 1640, I believe, and some cathdrals in the Island of Puerto Rico (San Juan Cathedral), dating back to 1512, I believe, not to mention the Native American adobe dwellings in Taos, New Mexico which are at least 1000 years old. On the English colony side, the States of Massachusetts and Virginia sport masonry buildings, such as manors and cathedrals back to the middle 1640's.
I have not mentioned anything about university buildings, of which there is a lot of masonry construction starting in the 1700s, and tend to come from the British side (along with more contemporary British churches and cathdrals)... Like Harvard University's Massachusetts Hall, estd. 1718.
https://www.brainjet.com/places/2355170/12-of-the-oldest-buildings-in-america/ (https://www.brainjet.com/places/2355170/12-of-the-oldest-buildings-in-america/)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catedral_Metropolitana_Bas%C3%ADlica_de_San_Juan_Bautista_(San_Juan,_Puerto_Rico) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catedral_Metropolitana_Bas%C3%ADlica_de_San_Juan_Bautista_(San_Juan,_Puerto_Rico))
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catedral_Metropolitana_Bas%C3%ADlica_de_San_Juan_Bautista_(San_Juan,_Puerto_Rico) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catedral_Metropolitana_Bas%C3%ADlica_de_San_Juan_Bautista_(San_Juan,_Puerto_Rico))
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Hall_(Harvard_University) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Hall_(Harvard_University))
Argentina ended up with a large Italian (and later German) immigrant population. Hence their buildings show a strong 19th. C. "Il Risorgimanto" (Italian Reunification) style from the 19th. C.
Barrio (Burrough) Montserrat, Buenos Aires, Argentina
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Diagonal_Sur_Buenos_Aires.jpg/1200px-Diagonal_Sur_Buenos_Aires.jpg)
Casa de Gobierno (Governor's Palace), La Plata, Argentina
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Casa_de_Gobierno_de_La_Plata.jpg)
I suspect that the New Orleans building that Ms. Annie posted was the Montalba Apartments, a building dating to 1840, built by French Baroness Micaela Almonester Pontalba. These would be the oldest continuosly rented apartments (flats) in the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontalba_Buildings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontalba_Buildings)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Pontalba.jpg/638px-Pontalba.jpg)
It follows the architectural style dating back to the Spanish-rule period of Louisiana, in the early 1800s, with elaborate iron works:
Corner of Royal St. and St. Peter Street, in the French Quarter burrough of New Orleans
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And, since we're not too far here in Texas from the State of Louisiana, the iron works do in some small way percolate to late 19th. C Southern Victorian Homes, such as the Littlefield House, ouside of our local college campus, here in Austin:
The Littlefield House (Estd. 1893) outside of the Univ. of Texas at Austin (© 2007 (CC) Larry D. Moore)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littlefield_House (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Littlefield_House)
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Some sheds are better than others ;)
Some sheds are definitely better than others. You've won that boast Mr Wilhelm
The oldest standing building in New Zealand is Kemp house, built for the Anglican missionaries in 1820. Its rather bland and primitive in comparison to your continental inspired edifices
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_House (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_House)
http://www.kerikeri.co.nz/Kemp_House.cfm (http://www.kerikeri.co.nz/Kemp_House.cfm)
I searched high and low a while back, for homes of my early ancestors in New Zealand . I wanted to see their personality reflected in the detail on their homes After a few years I found this one. Slab cottage. Typical of the era, mid 1800s
http://mp.natlib.govt.nz/detail/?id=12665&l=en (http://mp.natlib.govt.nz/detail/?id=12665&l=en)
And a story about a direct ancestor Mr Hollard , who built early homes in the new country.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WDT18841223.2.8 (https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WDT18841223.2.8)
Here is the Jackson House and history, mentioned in the above link
https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22723002 (https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22723002)
Lovely buildings Kaiser, nothing like that over here in the UK. None of those buildings comply with current shed rules. The shed rating would be unmeasurable.
We exported a lot of cast iron structures to the colonies but at home the verandah style was not a useful one due to the inclement weather most of the year so it was not widely accepted here. It flowered for a short while in seaside towns and provided iron balconies on the upper floors of town houses.
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Nothing quite so ornate as those New Orleans versions exists here as far as I am aware.
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 04, 2018, 06:04:19 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_House (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_House)
http://www.kerikeri.co.nz/Kemp_House.cfm (http://www.kerikeri.co.nz/Kemp_House.cfm)
You must learn to post images! Done for you.
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Right click and view image to see the image at full size.
A beautiful stone building there. The older house pales by comparison. That bridge was not built sympathetically.
I admit that I do forget that NZ/Australia is so very new. I'm sitting in the kitchen. My kitchen doors are early 1700s. Many of my kitchen implements/furniture are original Victorian, passed down the family and some of it as old as New Zealand. I will be kinder to sheds from now on.
How delightful to see the homes of your ancestors.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 04, 2018, 10:48:19 AM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 04, 2018, 06:04:19 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_House (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_House)
http://www.kerikeri.co.nz/Kemp_House.cfm (http://www.kerikeri.co.nz/Kemp_House.cfm)
You must learn to post images! Done for you.
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Right click and view image to see the image at full size.
A beautiful stone building there. The older house pales by comparison. That bridge was not built sympathetically.
I admit that I do forget that NZ/Australia is so very new. I'm sitting in the kitchen. My kitchen doors are early 1700s. Many of my kitchen implements/furniture are original Victorian, passed down the family and some of it as old as New Zealand. I will be kinder to sheds from now on.
How delightful to see the homes of your ancestors.
I was ashamed of the plain appearence of our "sheds" after J Wilhelm's "catherdrals". They were not quite image worthy. Though the back stories hold interest.
N. Z. is very new. As a nation we go back to 1840. It was only populated in the last 800 years, originally by a Polynesian people. Australia as a nation is perhaps a 100 years older, though populated for 60-80 000 years. Their origins are lost in the mists of time.
Remaining structures are relatively new and of the last 2 centuries. Designs are products of the Georgian era the countries were settled in. They tend to reflect a dour Scots influence.
This is a house image of one of the many sons of Mr Charles Hollard, I found recently. No longer standing, it does have the style of the mid victorian era, middle class self made man. Houses in N. Z. were built to standard plans. The main difference in the appearence of homes was the " extras" on the out side and extra rooms. Your success and status was measured on how much detail was stuck on. Verandah size, fretwork, filial, door detail, lead lights etc. Hollard jnr was doing quite well for himself
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Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 04, 2018, 10:42:42 AM
Lovely buildings Kaiser, nothing like that over here in the UK. None of those buildings comply with current shed rules. The shed rating would be unmeasurable.
We exported a lot of cast iron structures to the colonies but at home the verandah style was not a useful one due to the inclement weather most of the year so it was not widely accepted here. It flowered for a short while in seaside towns and provided iron balconies on the upper floors of town houses.
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Nothing quite so ornate as those New Orleans versions exists here as far as I am aware.
That ornate style of verandah is definitelty characteristic of Louisiana. Far East Texas is also ethnically French, and with the downright balmy swampy weather on the Gulf of Mexico, verandahs would become quite useful before the invention of artificial climate in the 20th. C. Perhaps I would call it a necessity!
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I've been thinking why Atlanta being in the Deep South, does not show more Victorian arichitecture, as you wrote. It makes no sense. We have a good number of Victorian era buildings, churches and homes in the Deep South. While it's true that old buildings were brought down in the US, you should still have some of the larger landmarks in place.
Then I read the Wiki entry on Atlanta, and something became clear:
1) Atlanta is very new, having been founded as a railroad hub in the late 1830s. Previously it was inhabited by the Creek Natives who were forcibly removed by white settlers. In contrast, New Orleans dates back to the 1700s. Plus there is a very different culture in the State of Georgia.
2) Georgia was mainly an agrarian community populated by people of largely Anglo-Saxon origin. Louisiana was decidedly French. Different religion. Different customs, language and laws. But most importantly, a different economy (port/harbour economy), even though we culturally put both in the "Deep South" category, there is a strong split between these two Southern cultures at least until the 1830s when French culture began to dwindle. New Orleans was far more developed in the Antebellum period
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans
QuoteIn the 1850s, white Francophones remained an intact and vibrant community. They maintained instruction in French in two of the city's four school districts (all were white).[36] In 1860, the city had 13,000 free people of color (gens de couleur libres), the class of free, mostly mixed-race people that expanded during French and Spanish rule. The census recorded 81 percent as mulatto, a term used to cover all degrees of mixed race.[35] Mostly part of the Francophone group, they constituted the artisan, educated and professional class of African Americans. Most blacks were still enslaved, working at the port, in domestic service, in crafts, and mostly on the many large, surrounding sugarcane plantations.
After growing by 45 percent in the 1850s, by 1860, the city had nearly 170,000 people.[37] It had grown in wealth, with a "per capita income [that] was second in the nation and the highest in the South."[37] The city had a role as the "primary commercial gateway for the nation's booming midsection."[37] The port was the nation's third largest in terms of tonnage of imported goods, after Boston and New York, handling 659,000 tons in 1859.
3) Atlanta was largely destroyed during the American Civil War. A scorched earth policy from the Union side combined with a suicidal destruction of buildings by the retreating Confederate Army, means that the city was basically razed to the ground. There was nothing left from the Antebellum period! It seems that both sides were intent on destroying the city.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta
QuoteBy 1860, Atlanta's population had grown to 9,554.[34][35] During the American Civil War, the nexus of multiple railroads in Atlanta made the city a hub for the distribution of military supplies. In 1864, the Union Army moved southward following the capture of Chattanooga and began its invasion of north Georgia. The region surrounding Atlanta was the location of several major army battles, culminating with the Battle of Atlanta and a four-month-long siege of the city by the Union Army under the command of General William Tecumseh Sherman. On September 1, 1864, Confederate General John Bell Hood made the decision to retreat from Atlanta, and he ordered the destruction of all public buildings and possible assets that could be of use to the Union Army. On the next day, Mayor James Calhoun surrendered Atlanta to the Union Army, and on September 7, Sherman ordered the city's civilian population to evacuate. On November 11, 1864, Sherman prepared for the Union Army's March to the Sea by ordering the destruction of Atlanta's remaining military assets.
So during your trip to Georgia, you just happen to visit an area of the US that would not have much older contruction still standing, actually....
Beautiful cast iron decoration is still a much loved and cherished feature, especially but not exclusively on pubs! Many inner-city terraces still have lovely fences and balcony rails of iron. One town near to where I live has a heritage listed main street - the first floor verandahs reach the width of the footpath, and many have cast or wrought iron decorations.
Quote from: Banfili on May 04, 2018, 11:12:16 PM
Beautiful cast iron decoration is still a much loved and cherished feature, especially but not exclusively on pubs! Many inner-city terraces still have lovely fences and balcony rails of iron. One town near to where I live has a heritage listed main street - the first floor verandahs reach the width of the footpath, and many have cast or wrought iron decorations.
The Terraced Houses in Australia are iconic. They have a character all their own. What state are you in Banfili?
(https://www.realestate.com.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Victorian-terraces-Carlton_550x350.jpg)
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Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 04, 2018, 11:29:30 PM
Quote from: Banfili on May 04, 2018, 11:12:16 PM
Beautiful cast iron decoration is still a much loved and cherished feature, especially but not exclusively on pubs! Many inner-city terraces still have lovely fences and balcony rails of iron. One town near to where I live has a heritage listed main street - the first floor verandahs reach the width of the footpath, and many have cast or wrought iron decorations.
The Terraced Houses in Australia are iconic. They have a character all their own. What state are you in Banfili?
(https://www.realestate.com.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Victorian-terraces-Carlton_550x350.jpg)
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSANeaBAXYAyajGDjUXhaXZ8z7aV_Kf4OxyiDLz6vl058gdAzZCLkNioIG0)
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Alright! That's what we're talking about!
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Corner of Alvaro Obregon Avenue and Orizaba Street, Roma Burrough, Mexico City
May be Post-Victorian/Edwardian, though...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcY-XG_U8AI3fxg.jpg)
El Cardenal (Mexican Food) Restaurant, Historic Centre.
#23 Palma Street, Alvaro Obregon Burrough, Mexico City
(Click hyperlinks to see interior and menu items)
http://www.restauranteelcardenal.com/el-cardenal-palma.html (http://www.restauranteelcardenal.com/el-cardenal-palma.html)
http://menu.mx/v2/Restaurante_El_Cardenal/Ciudad%20de%20México/Espanol/Qr1fTY (http://menu.mx/v2/Restaurante_El_Cardenal/Ciudad%20de%20M%C3%A9xico/Espanol/Qr1fTY)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcZAZSeUwAAELP_.jpg)
Who wants to go out for some Mexican food? The way WE do it downtown in Mexico City... A bit better than Taco Bell.
Sanborns Mexican-American Boutique shop Pharmacy and Restaurant
(I know it's a weird business model started by Americans in 1903). The downtown shop is
located at the historic Casa de Azulejos (Blue Tile House), a Baroque building of unknown age, presumably from the 16th. C. and remodelled with blue tiles in 1737 by the Countess Del Valle de Orizaba. Madero Street, Historic Centre, Mexico City.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcZHoy5VAAAKe5G.jpg)
J. Wilhelm, they are fancy chemists come coffee rooms. The Blue Tile house is particularly fabulous. One can see where Gaudi got his inspiration from, in the Moorish / Spanish architecture of his homeland. He brought it to life.
Kaiser,
For the very first time, I have a hankering to visit Mexico. It wasn't on my agenda as a thing to do before but your images have inspired something in me.
With regard to the ornate balconies in Oz, an interesting architectural development that has its roots in UK architecture but is definitely a local development that is not easily matched here in the UK on household dwellings. I had to work hard to find something like it. We do of course have a huge history of cast iron but not so much on domestic dwellings.
This is the King's Arms in Strete in the county of Devon
(https://i.imgur.com/OTt5fzJ.jpg)
It is a pub, of course and as such tried to attract visitors by being a more attractive and fancy structure than the local dwellings but it is the most ornate ironwork I could find on some domestic architecture in the UK. I am sure there are some more but they aren't common.
That history in ironwork can be seen on the more important buildings...
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Covent garden market
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Petworth House gates
(https://burrowsleaforgegallery.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/petworth-gates-when-new-crop.jpg)
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Company Patents on Blackfriars Bridge (below)
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and of course Crossness Sewage Pumping station...
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North East Victoria, Hurricane, up near the border with New South Wales, in the foothills of the Snowy Mountains, between Lake Hume and Dartmouth Dam. Teeny, tiny hamlet on the Omeo Highway. However, having been born & raised in NSW, I am a dyed-in-the wool NSW-er living in enemy territory! The interstate rivalry is fierce!!
Quote from: Banfili on May 05, 2018, 12:05:20 PM
North East Victoria, Hurricane, up near the border with New South Wales, in the foothills of the Snowy Mountains, between Lake Hume and Dartmouth Dam. Teeny, tiny hamlet on the Omeo Highway. However, having been born & raised in NSW, I am a dyed-in-the wool NSW-er living in enemy territory! The interstate rivalry is fierce!!
Was there meant to be a picture with that?
Most emphatically Not My Photos.
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Lots of exposed metalwork, a glass roof, not to mention the way it drips atmosphere. Surely a contender for the merit of "Steampunk Architecture"?
But of course first we must have a look outside.
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Ah. Yes. Hmm. Maybe just a shed, after all.
Quote from: Banfili on May 05, 2018, 12:05:20 PM
North East Victoria, Hurricane, up near the border with New South Wales, in the foothills of the Snowy Mountains, between Lake Hume and Dartmouth Dam. Teeny, tiny hamlet on the Omeo Highway. However, having been born & raised in NSW, I am a dyed-in-the wool NSW-er living in enemy territory! The interstate rivalry is fierce!!
I was aware if the East/ West divide with the Nullabor as a protective buffer. I hadn't know of the interstate war. You have lived in the heart of fantastic housing style on both sides of the wire. There is something about the older streets in the Eastern States.
I have been to Sydney a couple of times in my youth andvsoalkin some of it. I lived in Perth for a year. Its not quite the same, newer and less colourful. I haven't been to Melbourne or Victoria, though everyone agrees it's very pretty and filed with character. One day I will get there
Quote from: James Harrison on May 05, 2018, 03:20:17 PM
Most emphatically Not My Photos.
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Lots of exposed metalwork, a glass roof, not to mention the way it drips atmosphere. Surely a contender for the merit of "Steampunk Architecture"?
But of course first we must have a look outside.
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Ah. Yes. Hmm. Maybe just a shed, after all.
But what a magic shed though
It is a pure shed and the contents make it steamy, steaming engines, electric downlighters but I can't say I can even see the building from the inside. What I can see is reinforced steel trusses, that's it.
From the outside the corrugated iron marks it as a temporary structure, a shed. Having said that corrugated iron is a symbol of Empire being the main building material for a large number of colonial buildings in Australia, South Africa and beyond - so it has a certain steaminess all of it's own that differs from a plain wood building.
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This is my cottage in Scotland that has a spire made of corrugated iron. It may strike a chord for the Antipodeans watching this thread as the style of architecture is certainly similar to that found in NZ as Annie stated earlier.
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The whole roof is made of it. Hot in the Summer and freezing in the Winter. The structure was a cheap one as it was the servant's quarters for a large country house (long since burnt down). The roof timbers are not strong enough to support anything other than tin.
Next image not steamy at all - it is me.
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I agree entirely; it is a shed and can never be and never has been anything more nor less. The reason for my posting it is to make the point that the distinction twixt 'shed' and 'building' is, at best, blurred. When I was an undergrad I attended a lecture that made the statement 'a bicycle shed is a shed, Lincoln Cathedral is architecture.' Followed by 3 slides; 1. Your typical high school bike shed; 2. Lincoln Cathedral. So far so good. Slide 3 though; a bike shed purposely designed and built as an architectural statement by Lord Rogers. The point the lecturer was making was what defines a building as a worthwhile structure is more than what it looks like alone. It is also more than it's function alone. It's what it means to people, the connotations that it carries, the human aspect really I guess, that defines it.
I'm happy with the definition of shed. It is a building's steaminess that initiated the discussion. Some wooden dwellings were the subject of a chat as to whether they were steamy or if they were steamy, exactly how steamy they were. I said they weren't particularly steamy as a wooden house looking like a big British garden shed is a fine enough building but not particularly steamy in itself.
So then, what is it that makes a building steamy? Is it the material it's built of, the era it was built in, the architectural style it adheres to, what it was built for?- a mix of all of those factors or none? To my mind, a Victorian building is just that- Victorian. Not steampunk. Doesn't stop me wanting a Victorian/ Edwardian house and it doesn't stop me wanting to restore same to it's Victorian/ Edwardian appearance, but I wouldn't call it a steampunk building, though it would be the home of a steampunk and a place where steampunk happens. Wait?- maybe that's what makes a building steamy? What do we think? Or maybe I'm overthinking it.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 05, 2018, 07:35:59 PM
It is a pure shed and the contents make it steamy, steaming engines, electric downlighters but I can't say I can even see the building from the inside. What I can see is reinforced steel trusses, that's it.
From the outside the corrugated iron marks it as a temporary structure, a shed. Having said that corrugated iron is a symbol of Empire being the main building material for a large number of colonial buildings in Australia, South Africa and beyond - so it has a certain steaminess all of it's own that differs from a plain wood building.
(https://i.imgur.com/waJrF8s.jpg)
This is my cottage in Scotland that has a spire made of corrugated iron. It may strike a chord for the Antipodeans watching this thread as the style of architecture is certainly similar to that found in NZ as Annie stated earlier.
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The whole roof is made of it. Hot in the Summer and freezing in the Winter. The structure was a cheap one as it was the servant's quarters for a large country house (long since burnt down). The roof timbers are not strong enough to support anything other than tin.
Next image not steamy at all - it is me.
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Stone building with a corro roof. Any N. Z. er can relate to that. Corogated metal is everywhere and still commonly used. That's a fine turreted cottage. We can relate to that here, especially in the rural regions. That chap in the lower picture could fit in anywhere in the NZ landscape too.
Quote from: James Harrison on May 05, 2018, 09:18:33 PM
So then, what is it that makes a building steamy? Is it the material it's built of, the era it was built in, the architectural style it adheres to, what it was built for?- a mix of all of those factors or none? To my mind, a Victorian building is just that- Victorian. Not steampunk. Doesn't stop me wanting a Victorian/ Edwardian house and it doesn't stop me wanting to restore same to it's Victorian/ Edwardian appearance, but I wouldn't call it a steampunk building, though it would be the home of a steampunk and a place where steampunk happens. Wait?- maybe that's what makes a building steamy? What do we think? Or maybe I'm overthinking it.
Steampunk is an ephemeral thing. Tangibly any building with a design that could lend the imagination a trip down steampunk journey is a steampunk building
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 05, 2018, 07:35:59 PM
Next image not steamy at all - it is me.
Such modesty, unclebert, even if I am old enough to be your mother! ;D
I think the timbers for my house were actually milled in the town when it still had the sawmill operating.
And I would say, to most over here across de pond, a "cottage" is typically a smaller dwelling, whereas, your place seems to be tad big or long, actually.
But I love the look of it!
Quote from: Drew P on May 06, 2018, 03:35:20 AM
And I would say, to most over here across de pond, a "cottage" is typically a smaller dwelling, whereas, your place seems to be tad big or long, actually.
But I love the look of it!
Hmmm. I don't know. How small do you want it to be? If smaller, I'd actually call it a Cabin - we don't use the word Cottage too much 'round here. A Bungalow is somewhere in between.
Bung-a-low roof on and the name fits.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 06, 2018, 05:23:58 AM
Quote from: Drew P on May 06, 2018, 03:35:20 AM
And I would say, to most over here across de pond, a "cottage" is typically a smaller dwelling, whereas, your place seems to be tad big or long, actually.
But I love the look of it!
Hmmm. I don't know. How small do you want it to be? If smaller, I'd actually call it a Cabin - we don't use the word Cottage too much 'round here. A Bungalow is somewhere in between.
In this part of the world, a "cottage" is any house used primarily on weekends and holidays, usually on a lake or somewhat-navigable river. The structure itself can range from one room to multiple bedrooms and bathrooms, and from unheated, uninsulated, hand-pump-and-outhouse to fully winterized with central heating and running water.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 06, 2018, 10:31:12 AM
Bung-a-low roof on and the name fits.
I guess the problem is how high the roof is relative to your head ;) The term Bungalow is used around here for 1940s one or two bedroom, single storey compact houses, which became all the rage after WWII. They would often have a "fantasy" theme similar to Arts and Crafts or like a story book *cough* cottage in the woods. Another theme was "Spanish" or should I say "Hollywood Spanish" according to the stereotypes of the era, finished like an adobe mission, in pastel colors, with intentionally distressed stucco and clay roof tile. More akin to something you'd see in Speedy González cartoon than real Spanish or Mexican architecture.
That's one solution. Turn your cottage into a fantasy, and make a business out of it. Advertise a "Highlands Cabin" to corny tourists and greet them in full Highland dress :D it doesn't even have to be historically correct. The tourists don't know the difference ;D
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More sights from Mexico City (there's a lot more than this, but the majority is Baroque architecture).
Apartment résidences at Roma Burrough, México City
Interesting Germanic theme on the turret.
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Spanish Casino (1903), Historic Centre, México City
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Early 20th century house in San Luis de Chapultepec Burrough, near Chapultepec Park
I may have posted this before. I think it's a private residence belonging to a president,
and later it was turned into a conference centre Mexico City's national university
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I have no doubt that the average reader is perplexed by the images I placed above (3 last pages of thread), being tied to Mexico. Like I wrote two pages ago, this is due to the fact that most people outside of Mexico ignore late 19th C Mexican history. To put the photos above in the proper context, the buildings above are contemporary to the pro - European administration of President Porfirio Diaz.
Porfirio Diaz was a former Republican general and hero of the French Intervention Period (1863-67), when Maximilian of Austria briefly became 2nd Emperor of Mexico, temporarily deposing President Benito Juarez. Although General Porfirio Diaz was not a European himself, and he fought the French and the Mexican Imperial Army, as president he obviously absorbed a lot of the cultural trappings left over by the French and the Austrian. This was the cultural and ethnic legacy left over from the Maximilian Era. President Diaz' seemingly endless rule, and apparent favoritism towards European immigrants, culture, and foreign interests in the period led to the Mexican Civil War (Revolución) of 1910. The picture below shows the Centennial Independence celebrations, just months before the civil War (perhaps hostilities had already started in the countryside).
French fashion and architecture plus German military trappings suddenly become obvious when you look at history of México between 1861 and 1910. One of my Great-great uncles on the Basque/Italian side of the family was a general and he got to wear a Pickelhaube!
President Diaz and First Lady with military officers
During the 1910 Centennial of Mexican Independence.
Note the Pickelhauben! !
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I had posted these pictures in another thread. But it's useful to post them here to paint the whole picture
El Palacio de Hierro ("The Iron Palace") Deparment Store in Mexico City, 1890
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Cathedral and tramway kiosk/station at Zocalo (Main Plaza) in Mexico City, ca. 1890
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And on the "wrong side of the tracks" (a poor neighborhood) in Mexico City, a liquor shop in Tacubaya Burrough, ca. 1885
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This later contrast shows the difference between the rich and the poor, not just economically but culturally and even ethnically as well. European people and culture were grossly favoured in the last quarter of the century. Immigrants from France and Italy and even immigrants from Germany came to México and became successful, forming a Burgouise class that remains in place today, with all the positive and negative connotations that may carry.
My great great grandparents on the French side of my family.
Mr. Albert and Mrs. Alphonsine Levy, née Guerrier c. 1890
Left Paris for New Orleans circa 1899, hated Louisiana, and then
they had a choice between Québec and México City. They chose México.
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That difference and clash of cultures and values, was very much precipitated by the Maximilian period. Immigrants to Mexico from Central Europe were already present since the Spanish lost Mexico, but European immigrants arrived in large numbers after the French Intervention.
The strain in society was very severe, and the lower classes felt disconnected, abandoned and betrayed. Europeans became land owners and the peasants became little more than serfs, often renting the land for their crops. The saying of the day was that after 100 years since the Declaration of Independence, the independence itself had not been consummated.
The next Chapter in Mexican history, was a 10 year civil war which all Mexicans, rich and poor, Native, Mixed or European had to survive. It is also very steamy, thanks to the peasant armies using the railroads to transport troops.
Here's an old 1940s? historical documentary which is way too long ( At one hour and a half, I haven't seen all of it myself), but it's got some fantastic film clips from the Revolución period, showing government troops, peasant troops, Porfirio Diaz clinging to power, and plenty of steam locomotives carrying troops. Mexico really is a land of extreme contrasts. It has always been.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g8bZt9QbesY
A marvelous snap shot of the era J. Wilhelm. It brings metropolitan Mexico to life. There is far more to Mexico than above cantina and ponchoed bandito shooting it out among San Pedro cactus
A 70s architectural piece from the Antipodies. It all got a bit weird for a while in the 70s on N. Z.. It must have once been a dream holiday home. The 'shrooms turned to mould at the end of a long trip.
https://www.realestate.co.nz/3272881 (https://www.realestate.co.nz/3272881)
The iconic roundhouse has been a landmark for Himatangi Beach goers and a childhood memory for many. Is it a spaceship? What's it like inside? With the kitchen in the middle and the dining room off to the side, the homes bespoke design is like no other seen before. There is a separate lounge with a fireplace, two toilets, and a single garage/workshop. Substantial work is required on the home due to "weather tight" issues identified by the mould throughout the home, but this icon has the potential to transform into a super trendy beach pad. Commute 25 minutes to Palmerston North, 10 minutes to Foxton or make this your weekend project.
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More hippy than punk.
If you build a house using abnormal materials that cannot breathe (concrete) and without a proper roof to deflect the rain then I suppose mould is what you'd expect...
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 07, 2018, 12:55:05 AM
More hippy than punk.
If you build a house using abnormal materials that cannot breathe (concrete) and without a proper roof to deflect the rain then I suppose mould is what you'd expect...
Heroin importer chic. These ideas often look good on paper when your high. If you pay someone enough they will build it against their own principles. They don't often stand the test of time though
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 07, 2018, 12:55:05 AM
More hippy than punk.
If you build a house using abnormal materials that cannot breathe (concrete) and without a proper roof to deflect the rain then I suppose mould is what you'd expect...
Why is concrete "abnormal" ? The doors in that place look like Hobbit doors... If you planted grass on top, you could turn it into a "Beach Hobbit House."
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 07, 2018, 08:35:32 AM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 07, 2018, 12:55:05 AM
More hippy than punk.
If you build a house using abnormal materials that cannot breathe (concrete) and without a proper roof to deflect the rain then I suppose mould is what you'd expect...
Why is concrete "abnormal" ? The doors in that place look like Hobbit doors... If you planted grass on top, you could turn it injto a "Beach Hobbit House."
That's a dreadfully disrespectful thing to say :o[though it was my 1st thought when I saw it].
It is just a few hours from where the Hobbit director Peter Jackson grew up and a popular holiday spot in the 70s. He may have seen it and been influenced as a child. There is more adventurous architecture down that a way.
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 07, 2018, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 07, 2018, 08:35:32 AM
*snip*
*snip* The doors in that place look like Hobbit doors... If you planted grass on top, you could turn it into a "Beach Hobbit House."
That's a dreadfully disrespectful thing to say :o[though it was my 1st thought when I saw it].
??? I'm sorry? I won't mention again...
Someone tried to do something clever and failed.
Concrete as a material for walls and roof of a dwelling is less than ideal. Buildings need to breathe. If they are mouldy then the materials are clearly not allowing the air to circulate and the building to dry out. Human living generates huge amounts of water vapour. A concrete walled building with mould would be VERY unhealthy to live in. Water tanks are built using the material, concrete is designed to prevent water from penetrating. Many modern apartments have a mould problem due to being built from impermeable materials and requiring air conditioning the whole year round.
The solution is that it simply needs to be demolished and rebuilt using more appropriate materials, they could just replace the roof with a pitched version but not insulate it too much allowing moisture to escape through the roof. It is a typical problem with new builds using inappropriate materials or restoration of an older plastered house with modern cement based plaster - it retains the moisture inside - Need I explain more?
The internet is your friend.
Different places and the availability or otherwise of traditional materials produced some different 'sheds'.
In early Australia, corrugated iron and even prefabricated frames from the UK were one answer to the lack of useable wood or stone.
http://www.visitvictoria.com/regions/Melbourne/Things-to-do/Art-theatre-and-culture/Architecture-and-design/Portable-Iron-Houses.aspx (http://www.visitvictoria.com/regions/Melbourne/Things-to-do/Art-theatre-and-culture/Architecture-and-design/Portable-Iron-Houses.aspx)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 07, 2018, 12:20:29 PM
It is a typical problem with new builds using inappropriate materials or restoration of an older plastered house with modern cement based plaster - it retains the moisture inside - Need I explain more?
That's a massive problem. Cement really doesn't have a place in construction in my book. If you use it in mortar then it makes the mortar much harder than the surrounding masonry; if the building shifts then the masonry breaks rather than the mortar. It makes the mortar impervious to water, which then means any moisture coming through the wall is forced out through the masonry. This can and will make brickwork spall and the moment it does that then the brick is basically scrap as it's weatherproofing is basically limited to the fireskin. Lose the fireskin and the brick can and will weather and erode away to nothing very quickly.
Use of cement is a cheap fix and like all cheap fixes just stores up problems for later on, problems which are invariably more expensive and more difficult to fix than the one you're trying to avoid. Mortar should be viewed as an expendable material; if the building shifts (and it will over time) the mortar should be softer than the masonry to take up that movement. The mortar should be more permeable than the masonry to give any moisture content an easy way out of the structure.
The same goes for the internal plasterwork. Did you know that at the height of the country house building phase in Britain, architectural pattern books and builders' guides were advising that you allow anything up to
five years for a new building to thoroughly dry out, prior to final decorating? Not really a problem of course if you've got the time.... but that just shows you how much moisture can potentially be generated. Now think about how cement-based renders, mortars and plasters just lock that into the structure... and it will want out...
And then people wonder why after a few years their lovely new brick walls look like they've been sprayed with machinegun fire or have gone white in patches?
And You use ventilation systems in concrete houses.
If properly organized the movement of air, the mold should not be.
Quote from: morozow on May 07, 2018, 01:56:38 PM
And You use ventilation systems in concrete houses.
If properly organized the movement of air, the mold should not be.
No. It isn't that you use ventilation systems in concrete houses, it is that you 'have to' use ventilation systems in concrete houses to overcome the design failure. Adding air conditioning is just fixing a design problem and using valuable resources to do so.
For human dwellings, building the whole house using the wrong material, has profound consequences on the poor people who live in the structure and on the environment. Modern builders have a history of using the wrong material, high alumina cement with asbestos, asbestos sheeting, permeable coated flat roofs, flat roofs in general in wet climates, flush windows, concave glass walls, aluminium and plastic window frames, aluminium cladding, plastic cladding, untreated steel rebar in reinforcing concrete &c &c. There are hundreds of years of architectural experience all ignored as architects need to prove their own capability.
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Concrete is fine for supporting structure but not for the whole structure, walls and roof. If you think otherwise then you have no clue.
In addition it subjects humanity to mindless grey drudgery, unfortunately the inhuman and uninhabitable architecture of Soviet Russia is an example of that appalling use of concrete (in all those terrible tower blocks that disfigure Russian cities). The same is true of many European cities. Britain is knocking down those 60s and 70s tower blocks in droves but we are still building new with the same mistakes. See - Grenfell tower.
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Look at this search for vernacular architecture:
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1161&bih=542&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=IGrwWoLBEcnLgAbpnL7YDw&q=vernacular+architecture+british&oq=vernacular+architecture+british&gs_l=img.3...18929.20312.0.21036.8.8.0.0.0.0.193.803.5j3.8.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.2.358...0j0i67k1j0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.hREKMAxENZs (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1161&bih=542&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=IGrwWoLBEcnLgAbpnL7YDw&q=vernacular+architecture+british&oq=vernacular+architecture+british&gs_l=img.3...18929.20312.0.21036.8.8.0.0.0.0.193.803.5j3.8.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.2.358...0j0i67k1j0i8i30k1j0i24k1.0.hREKMAxENZs)
and it gives you an idea of the historical knowledge we have that allows us to build habitable dwellings for humans.
I guess fans of Brutalist Architecture are not having a good day today at Brassgoggles ;) ;D
At the origins of Soviet concrete boxes were constructivists. And such things as ventilation (passive ventilation, not air-conditioning) they thought. And our engineers were also able to calculate the "dew point".
To Soviet housing can make a lot of claims. Small apartment. Little beauty and environment and other things urbanism. We're a poor country in which at that time was the urbanization and destructive war. The economy must be economical. Not up to the beauty and comfort. :(
But we don't have mold in the houses. Sometimes fungus, but it is the problem of a particular apartment house, associated more with the quality of construction and operation than with the project and material.
Perhaps this is due to the drier climate in Russia. Well, I have heard that in England and Europe, in homes, even in winter is not very warm, to save money. We still assumed that if it's cold, though the house should be warm.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 07, 2018, 09:25:24 AM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 07, 2018, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 07, 2018, 08:35:32 AM
*snip*
*snip* The doors in that place look like Hobbit doors... If you planted grass on top, you could turn it into a "Beach Hobbit House."
That's a dreadfully disrespectful thing to say :o[though it was my 1st thought when I saw it].
??? I'm sorry? I won't mention again...
Be assured, you are laughing with us , not at us. ;)
We have learned in NZ, to have a sense of humour and thick skin when it come to hobbits. If one paid too much attention to NZ tourist promotion, one would assume we all lived that way in grass topped homes and saw "Hobbiton" as some sort of Mecca. That Peter Jackson was our deity. Hobbit have overtaken sheep as an alleged preference of red blooded kiwi male appetites
Motels and camping grounds with in a 4 hour drive are described as " handy to Hobbiton". We do have so much else to offer than old movie sets.
In general the climate in the UK is temperate so we don't have to work too hard at anything, it doesn't get too hot though it is rather hot today. It doesn't get too cold so that we need to build thermally. What we do receive is precipitation in all its forms.
IF you have a house that deals with water badly here then you will receive mould - and quickly. In the past we dealt with it very well, pitched roofs, guttering, good foundations, water membranes, slates, tiles on strong roofs, brick built lime mortared walls, sometimes lime plastered, windows set back to avoid the weather, good drainage, soakaways, porches over doors, lead flashing &c &c.
If one of these is broken then very soon you will have damp then mould soon after.
I have never, that is never, encountered a house in the UK with air conditioning as the Summers do not require it. If it gets too hot we go outside. These days we do have good heating though in the recent past it was considered effeminate for a house to be warm. More clothes and hot water bottles were the solution. You might laugh but of course that solution works and it is resource cheap. It wouldn't work in cold Mother Russia though.
In general, if you know your stuff, you laugh at people who apply hard cement-based renders to breatheable walls, it happens all the time though to gullible people who have more money than sense. There has been a reaction against modern-style building in the UK and for a comfortable home we build houses that are strongly Victorian in character on the outside.
See this link for a strong example:
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1018&bih=542&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=yYbwWoeXJarLgAbm771Y&q=poundbury&oq=poundbury&gs_l=img.3...10318.12574.0.12998.9.8.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c.1.64.img..9.0.0....0.VceqCPMGqjg (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1018&bih=542&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=yYbwWoeXJarLgAbm771Y&q=poundbury&oq=poundbury&gs_l=img.3...10318.12574.0.12998.9.8.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c.1.64.img..9.0.0....0.VceqCPMGqjg)
These buildings are all new.
(https://www.adamarchitecture.com/assets/components/phpthumbof/cache/Poundbury_SWQ_01-PM.bf9ef8c1cb4c027ef2820b870006522b.jpg)
(https://ftanda.co.uk/images/essays/poundbury/queen-mother-square-poundbury.jpg)
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/41862881b02f60bdc83d67c76c263dcd5cef8913/0_847_4578_2747/master/4578.jpg?w=700&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=0f1d007431bb333977b3c56b68ae7465)
This one would be familiar in St. Petersburg.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Middlemarsh_Street_-_geograph.org.uk_-_384233.jpg)
They take the best of the past, brick walls, slate and tiled roofs, recessed window frames but inside they are very up to date, thermally efficient and very new. None of these buildings will be knocked down within 100 years, all will be retained and updated as required. They are not temporary in style which is a good thing as the majority of resource wastage in buildings is the regular demolition and rebuild of concrete structures.
I ask you a question, if you compare the last four images to the brutalist concrete one from Russia in a previous post, where would you rather live, if offered the opportunity?
Quote from: Fairley B. Strange on May 07, 2018, 12:31:15 PM
Different places and the availability or otherwise of traditional materials produced some different 'sheds'.
In early Australia, corrugated iron and even prefabricated frames from the UK were one answer to the lack of useable wood or stone.
http://www.visitvictoria.com/regions/Melbourne/Things-to-do/Art-theatre-and-culture/Architecture-and-design/Portable-Iron-Houses.aspx (http://www.visitvictoria.com/regions/Melbourne/Things-to-do/Art-theatre-and-culture/Architecture-and-design/Portable-Iron-Houses.aspx)
Itwas the same in NZ. Prefab houses and building were imported from the Old Country. Corrugated iron was used for miners and workers huts. It's become fashionable again in building design here.
i imported prefab can all go to hell in a hand cart though. Only in New Zealand.
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/101267353/search-for-the-holy-mail-can-a-church-really-get-lost-in-the-post (https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/101267353/search-for-the-holy-mail-can-a-church-really-get-lost-in-the-post)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 07, 2018, 05:33:05 PM
In general the climate in the UK is temperate so we don't have to work too hard at anything, it doesn't get too hot though it is rather hot today. It doesn't get too cold so that we need to build thermally. What we do receive is precipitation in all its forms.
IF you have a house that deals with water badly here then you will receive mould - and quickly. In the past we dealt with it very well, pitched roofs, guttering, good foundations, water membranes, slates, tiles on strong roofs, brick built lime mortared walls, sometimes lime plastered, windows set back to avoid the weather, good drainage, soakaways, porches over doors, lead flashing &c &c.
If one of these is broken then very soon you will have damp then mould soon after.
I have never, that is never, encountered a house in the UK with air conditioning as the Summers do not require it. If it gets too hot we go outside. These days we do have good heating though in the recent past it was considered effeminate for a house to be warm. More clothes and hot water bottles were the solution. You might laugh but of course that solution works and it is resource cheap. It wouldn't work in cold Mother Russia though.
In general, if you know your stuff, you laugh at people who apply hard cement-based renders to breatheable walls, it happens all the time though to gullible people who have more money than sense. There has been a reaction against modern-style building in the UK and for a comfortable home we build houses that are strongly Victorian in character on the outside.
See this link for a strong example:
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1018&bih=542&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=yYbwWoeXJarLgAbm771Y&q=poundbury&oq=poundbury&gs_l=img.3...10318.12574.0.12998.9.8.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c.1.64.img..9.0.0....0.VceqCPMGqjg (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1018&bih=542&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=yYbwWoeXJarLgAbm771Y&q=poundbury&oq=poundbury&gs_l=img.3...10318.12574.0.12998.9.8.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c.1.64.img..9.0.0....0.VceqCPMGqjg)
These buildings are all new.
(https://www.adamarchitecture.com/assets/components/phpthumbof/cache/Poundbury_SWQ_01-PM.bf9ef8c1cb4c027ef2820b870006522b.jpg)
(https://ftanda.co.uk/images/essays/poundbury/queen-mother-square-poundbury.jpg)
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/41862881b02f60bdc83d67c76c263dcd5cef8913/0_847_4578_2747/master/4578.jpg?w=700&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=0f1d007431bb333977b3c56b68ae7465)
This one would be familiar in St. Petersburg.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Middlemarsh_Street_-_geograph.org.uk_-_384233.jpg)
They take the best of the past, brick walls, slate and tiled roofs, recessed window frames but inside they are very up to date, thermally efficient and very new. None of these buildings will be knocked down within 100 years, all will be retained and updated as required. They are not temporary in style which is a good thing as the majority of resource wastage in buildings is the regular demolition and rebuild of concrete structures.
I ask you a question, if you compare the last four images to the brutalist concrete one from Russia in a previous post, where would you rather live, if offered the opportunity?
The lower ones
Uncle Bert, the " Hobbit House" I posted, to be fair, looked like a result of design flaws, lack of maintenance, the NZ damp climate, trees blocking the sun and being closed up for a long time. NZ has a growing problem with damp homes. Poor construction, inappropriate building materials, and lack of sealing and age.
We are in the midst of a " leaky building" crisis. Many houses and building constructed in the last 25 years were thrown up with callous disregard to building materials, design or appropriate building standards. Black mould and rotting wood are a major health and economic issue.
There's a cultural thing that goes on regarding the design of houses too. Back as an Undergrad we had to attend lectures about designing for sustainabilty. We were introduced to the various codes and practices and whatnot for designing sustainable houses.
"This is the German Passivhaus standard. It relies on a certain amount of air being forcibly draughted through a building, per hour. To achieve this the building has to be hermetically sealed, so no air gaps in doors and windows. So on a hot day in Germany you might turn up the blowers and the air conditioning and cool down that way. In the UK of course we just open a window....."- the lecturer, whose name regretably I've forgotten. Well, it was a decade and more ago.
It must be quite obvious that I despise any architectural trend that has emanated from Germany over the last 100 or so years. German architectural styles have arguably done more damage to the character of cities worldwide, than the might of the Wehrmacht and the Luftwaffe combined.
I'm not sure I agree with that. In the right setting, in the right circumstances, they have merit. It's just that acres of plate glass and flat roofs are perhaps more suited to a Mediterranean climate than (lets be honest here) a windswept and very damp bunch of rocks in the North Atlantic. There's a reason British vernacular architecture follows the maxim of 'good boots and a good hat'- or put less prosaically a strong and waterproof foundation and floor and a roof that throws the rain far outboard of the walls.
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 07, 2018, 05:29:05 PM
Be assured, you are laughing with us , not at us. ;)
We have learned in NZ, to have a sense of humour and thick skin when it come to hobbits. If one paid too much attention to NZ tourist promotion, one would assume we all lived that way in grass topped homes and saw "Hobbiton" as some sort of Mecca. That Peter Jackson was our deity. Hobbit have overtaken sheep as an alleged preference of red blooded kiwi male appetites
Motels and camping grounds with in a 4 hour drive are described as " handy to Hobbiton". We do have so much else to offer than old movie sets.
Strangely the LOTR trilogy was really set in a landscape that was a combination of Oxfordshire and Warwickshire and with the mountain landscape of something akin to that found in New Zealand. Hobbiton can be found in our old villages, Great Tew or similar:
https://www.google.com/search?q=great+tew&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilr_GTo_TaAhUKK8AKHbVTBWQQ_AUIDCgD&biw=1145&bih=542 (https://www.google.com/search?q=great+tew&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilr_GTo_TaAhUKK8AKHbVTBWQQ_AUIDCgD&biw=1145&bih=542)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oxfordshirevillages.co.uk%2Fimages%2FGreat_Tew%2FGreatTew7.jpg&hash=97f1fea92e304ebe71fe955b4babdd13e4215ea2)
(https://www.mediastorehouse.com/p/499/great-tew-6672091.jpg)
(https://www.cotswoldsmysterytour.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/05/C-_7Rz4XcAA9kc5-1024x683.jpg)
How close are these to hobbit homes?
Quote from: James Harrison on May 07, 2018, 07:16:30 PM
I'm not sure I agree with that. In the right setting, in the right circumstances, they have merit. It's just that acres of plate glass and flat roofs are perhaps more suited to a Mediterranean climate than (lets be honest here) a windswept and very damp bunch of rocks in the North Atlantic. There's a reason British vernacular architecture follows the maxim of 'good boots and a good hat'- or put less prosaically a strong and waterproof foundation and floor and a roof that throws the rain far outboard of the walls.
Let THEM have it, let us take that great US invention, the bulldozer and apply it carefully and rid ourselves of that taint.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fpix%2F2011%2F11%2F20%2Farticle-0-0EDF97AA00000578-552_964x551.jpg&hash=8fe79854ccf1e5dc7169d4ae3a5b97ecdd63aab3)
Something looks very, very odd about how that is collapsing. It's the way you've got huge blocks coming out whilst there's a distinct line where it goes from falling out to falling in on itself.
Oh, I'm sure it was all properly planned and executed- I haven't seen any highrise demolition gone wrong sort of story on the news recently- but it just looks odd... But hey! Some 1970s monstrosity evidently bought it so I've nothing to complain about there.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 07, 2018, 05:33:05 PM
I ask you a question, if you compare the last four images to the brutalist concrete one from Russia in a previous post, where would you rather live, if offered the opportunity?
As would understandable, that low-rise building, for life better than high-rise. In Moscow, the districts with five-floor houses of "Khruschev" is quite popular, it is through intimate neighborhoods and the urban environment.
Although the apartments in such houses require major reconstruction.
But such low-rise houses, you can do (and we do) and made of concrete.
Although, I was thinking, maybe we don't have a dispute. And there is the question of terminology. The walls of the houses contained insulation. Ie is not "naked" iron-concrete of which You spoke.
P. S. the House fell in China, not Russia
Uh. Huh. Why are we talking about ugly 20th C. Cookie Cutter dwellings?
I will nod to the British for having experience with humidity in supertropical climes. But I suspect that local weather is a major factor in the construction methods used in different parts of the world.
For starters, residential construction will be different when compared to commercial contemporary construction methods. High rise buildings around the world begin to coalesce in methods of construction toward the second half of the 20th C. Its the residential side where you see the biggest differences. Traditional pilgrim timber buildings gave us the wood plank structural methods of the United States. Baroque Spanish masonry gave way to masonry and concrete residences in Mexico in the 20th century.
It is worthy to note that while humidity becomes a serious problem in colder climes, it tends to be less of a problem in subtropical coastal weather since houses tend to be open to the ambient air (traditional before the advent of A/C), and in the high altitude deserts of Mexico, where humidity averages 35% and rarely exceeds 40%, mold on a house is almost a non existent problem.
Alas, I'm not a civil engineer like my family members, I just know about fluid mechanics and combustion in aircraft applications. But I was exposed to Mexican style residential construction, where steel reinforced concrete is widely used as supporting frame in conjuction with softer clay brick and mortar. Some modern housing projects, however do tend toward concrete monolithic construction, such as modernist architecture and Brutalist social interest housing. I can only surmise that an average temperature of 22 Celsius and a humidity of 35% allows the Mexican to build as they please, without even consideration for thermal insulation.
Our insulation in my house in Mexico City was zero, just the thermal resistance value of soft hand made brick! We had giant picture windows all around the house. The frame was reinforced concrete and concrete slabs for slanted roofs (not flat). The house was made of several "aggregated masonry" Swiss Chalets " on a hill, if that makes any sense. We never had humidity issues. The people suffering from humidity would be the architects who'd cut a hill down to street level, to build a house thus inviting ground water to flow freely into their patios and modern concrete multi-million dollar eyesores they called homes ;D
I was also exposed to American construction methods, as part of my family business. In the United States things are very different. You will find hot tropical humidity in Florida and swamps of the Gulf of Mexico, a cold humidity in the northern half of the Eastern Seaboard and the American North West. Structurally, the problem of humidity is most severe in colder climes where you have repeated cycles of hard freezing (ie Midwest just South of the Great Lakes and North East, like Minnesota through to New England , for example. Healthwise humidity is a major problem along the Gulf of Mexico and Florida, where mould becomes a serious health hazard.
This has led to the adoption of a number of techniques, mostly dealing with breathing spaces inside walls. The technique involves leaving a gap and separating the structural frame (wood plank for residential, steel for commercial), from the cladding, be it masonry or otherwise. The theory is that condensation within walls must be allowed to drip to the outside of the building through the use of "weeping holes." otherwise masonry attached to a flat surface will develop mold and break, damage or detach the masonry unit (brick, marble, stone, etc.) from the mortar, leading to failure. Also humidity will percolate through insulation into the dwelling.
Because of this, in the United States, the masonry cladding is not structural, but rather self supporting, with periodic, flexible steel attachments to the structural frame. A separate steel beam structure may be used if needed for the cladding.
In order, the interior will be a sheet rock or plaster layer, followed by fibreglass insulation with a high thermal resistence coefficient, packed between structural studs (steel or typically timber planks), and covered with a thick plywood sheet and waterproof membrane, then you have your breathing gap, and finally the cladding masonry or otherwise, plus external frame if needed. This is American residential standard.
A local hospital is undergoing renovations in Austin, and a new storey is being built.
The sidewall has been ripped open and you can see a gap of air between the brick work and
the foam thermal insulation. Also visible is the impermeable sheet and hundreds of
masonry ties that look like miniature clothes hangers. Euler column theory states that to buttress
The brick wall you don't really need a lot of force, so the ties need not be very strong, just numerous. Every 20 rows of bricks, an L steel beam protrudes from the structural frame to support that segment of brick.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcpOOFHVMAMSXpT?format=jpg)
These methods of construction do run counter to older more traditional methods of construction in the Western world (across the pond), and make the reproduction of European architecture (ie Baroque style masonry luxury homes) an absolute nightmare for the civil or architectural engineer. The frame may want to move separately from the cladding... You can just multiply the issues in your head.
We had to deal with that "structural conversion problem" all the time in my family business, since we sold natural stone elements, such as limestone cladding for millionaire's homes. We had to develop special hardware and methods to create the hollow masonry wall.
I'll trust we will slowly get back on topic...
Surviving Victorian facade between an ugly modern building (green)
and what looks to me like a condemned 20th. C. concrete building.
In front of the Alameda Central (Central Arboretum), Mexico City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dcod3hMVwAAeWBK.jpg)
Bohemian living. Another view of Roma Burrough, Mexico City
Turn of the century apartment houses.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dcod7dLVwAAqGL2.jpg)
I can't help but think that if I moved into one of those apartment buildings, even if I only held a measly job like I have now, I'd be much happier than I'm here...
The City Theatre, Mexico City. Estd. 1918, as the Esperanza Iris Theatre
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Teatro_de_la_Ciudad_de_Mexico.jpg)
Not that we have a hobbit habit here at all - but I found these little treasures while I was checking out the ancestral lands of Isle of Ely
http://www.littlethetford.org/?page_id=45 (http://www.littlethetford.org/?page_id=45)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.littlethetford.org%2Fimages%2Fhistory%2F08-02.JPG&hash=05a3c20414610f280da57f22fe992826b5f407e8)
And
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/gUORNo1uCA24gRM03YNRF0Z1sSwBLOlhstp7Q428UB3yC7dv4Rea0Iu1rmGzRlbtuVERVirBbbBSafwR1B4zlNRQYqBZXJqSVqg16zEewTgnFrV483xVyLyOF6lw4m8I5qy-KtnXpSMBhi5hQXAtvNxJ924QwuiC0CtsgwOZjcw0wHoDbOA=w400-h263-nc)
I think we have a live one here
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/_--j8I98KYLVHhSUSNtyQKklw3UT70jiSkcXxModiDlOxdj_lkiG5wbo9Rqm0wQyFQxGqwLZi9kxf_4pX4b190nrrlNk-co-ZHLocTnaagB27xrMjteaHJT9BEwG_JbuvBZ9vWUP3rGuQPoJcrOzuQ=w384-h384-nc)
Quote from: James Harrison on May 07, 2018, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 07, 2018, 12:20:29 PM
It is a typical problem with new builds using inappropriate materials or restoration of an older plastered house with modern cement based plaster - it retains the moisture inside - Need I explain more?
That's a massive problem. Cement really doesn't have a place in construction in my book. If you use it in mortar then it makes the mortar much harder than the surrounding masonry; if the building shifts then the masonry breaks rather than the mortar. It makes the mortar impervious to water, which then means any moisture coming through the wall is forced out through the masonry. This can and will make brickwork spall and the moment it does that then the brick is basically scrap as it's weatherproofing is basically limited to the fireskin. Lose the fireskin and the brick can and will weather and erode away to nothing very quickly.
Use of cement is a cheap fix and like all cheap fixes just stores up problems for later on, problems which are invariably more expensive and more difficult to fix than the one you're trying to avoid. Mortar should be viewed as an expendable material; if the building shifts (and it will over time) the mortar should be softer than the masonry to take up that movement. The mortar should be more permeable than the masonry to give any moisture content an easy way out of the structure.
The same goes for the internal plasterwork. Did you know that at the height of the country house building phase in Britain, architectural pattern books and builders' guides were advising that you allow anything up to five years for a new building to thoroughly dry out, prior to final decorating? Not really a problem of course if you've got the time.... but that just shows you how much moisture can potentially be generated. Now think about how cement-based renders, mortars and plasters just lock that into the structure... and it will want out...
And then people wonder why after a few years their lovely new brick walls look like they've been sprayed with machinegun fire or have gone white in patches?
Mr. Harrison,
If I may point out. Your statement on the relative hardness of masonry and mortar is most interesting. That being very specific about the definition of Engineering Hardness vs Engineering Strength, which are two different concepts. Assuming all mortar and cementitious materials to be brittle by nature, we then turn to the compressive strength of bricks as a topic to compare between the old world and the new world in terms of building standards.
I quote the following from the Wiki entry on "Brick"
QuoteThe compressive strength of bricks produced in the United States ranges from about 1000 lbf/in² to 15,000 lbf/in² (7 to 105 MPa or N/mm² ), varying according to the use to which the brick are to be put. In England clay bricks can have strengths of up to 100 MPa, although a common house brick is likely to show a range of 20–40 MPa.
One of the things I noticed when I came first to the United States, was that Mexican Standard bricks were not acceptable for American construction usage. At the heart of the issue was the compressive strength of the bricks. As it turns out American Standard Bricks are usually made to withstand a compressive stress of 105 kPa. This is roughly equivalent to the upper range of mechanical strength in British Brick Standards. However, I also noticed that the Wiki article (and the reason I ask your opinion) states that UK residential construction will require less than half of the upper margin in strengt available in the British market.
It seems to me that the reason Americans are such sticklers for brick compactness is that they are using cement based mortar. And the only way to maintain the strength ratio you mention (weak mortar, strong masonry) is to demand that masonry be much stronger. American structural rated bricks are very dense and very hard., and relatively small in size. Now I mention this noting that natural stone *residential*construction in the United States is rare, save for historical use in the 13 British American Colonies, and naturally any Spanish Construction in Florida, Texas or California.
To put it in context (using just two significant figures in the maths for argument sake), a "soft" brick at a strength of 40 Mpa / 6000 psi (British residential) will be installed using mortar with a strength in the range of 14—34 MPa (2000—5000 psi).
The Americans insist on using 105 MPa 15000 psi) brick, assuming it will also be set on 14-34 MPa mortar. See what's happening here? All you have to do is shun the use of "soft" brick and that guarantees that the mortar will be the weaker member of the couple. As for the humidity issues, please look at the "air gap method I described in my first post, above on this page.
Differences, differences. We may speak the same language but think differently and a lot of these differences are historical by nature.
To put it bluntly American engineers don't know how to build with natural masonry, such as limestone as a structural material (or with any other stones such as marble or Travertine). Nor will they use soft traditional mortar. The reason is that engineers will not sign off on materials for which they have no engineering tables, and the reason there are no tables is historical. No statistical data! Europeans know how to use natural masonry, by way of tradition.
The way you speak, reinforces my idea that across the pond, the British architects and engineers are used to managing the risk of using "soft" masonry construction as a structural material, while the American counterparts are simply not willing to take the risk. Instead, they opt for a complicated scheme, where "soft" masonry, such as low psi brick and limestone simply becomes non structural (see previous post as well...)
This is very much a cultural difference between Britain and the US, it seems to me. The British have been using masonry as a structural material for well, thousands of years. As well as most Europeans. In contrast, the Americans sublimated from structural timber construction (for which ironically there are countless data tables) to modern 20th century steel frame construction in high risers, just plain skipping altogether the masonry residential house, historically speaking.
Any opinion on that observation?
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 07, 2018, 12:20:29 PM
It is a typical problem with new builds using inappropriate materials or restoration of an older plastered house with modern cement based plaster - it retains the moisture inside - Need I explain more?
Maybe. My place is losing ceiling paint in sheets from mould and it's mostly wood framing crammed between the concrete columns of an existing house clad in what I think is plasterboard.
Quote from: chironex on May 08, 2018, 08:04:06 AM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 07, 2018, 12:20:29 PM
It is a typical problem with new builds using inappropriate materials or restoration of an older plastered house with modern cement based plaster - it retains the moisture inside - Need I explain more?
Maybe. My place is losing ceiling paint in sheets from mould and it's mostly wood framing crammed between the concrete columns of an existing house clad in what I think is plasterboard.
The trouble is - we'd like to help but it might derail the thread. You might create a new thread on "How to rebuild my mouldy house in a steampunk fashion using traditional materials"...
Mr. Wilhelm, a fascinating digression from the theme, partly directed that way by myself. I do believe you added to the discussion with some real substance and some very interesting comparisons of materials. That sort of detail is music to my ears though others may not always appreciate it when we plumb the depths... If we keep the detail punctuated with at least one photo that looks steamy enough we might just get away with it.
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 08, 2018, 05:44:48 AM
Not that we have a hobbit habit here at all - but I found these little treasures while I was checking out the ancestral lands of Isle of Ely
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.littlethetford.org%2Fimages%2Fhistory%2F08-05.JPG&hash=1a71be41d8eaefce332ff19a5f0d4373a99692e0)
That is the house today.
and all just a few miles from where I live now...
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 08, 2018, 07:26:40 AM
Quote from: James Harrison on May 07, 2018, 12:39:20 PM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 07, 2018, 12:20:29 PM
It is a typical problem with new builds using inappropriate materials or restoration of an older plastered house with modern cement based plaster - it retains the moisture inside - Need I explain more?
That's a massive problem. Cement really doesn't have a place in construction in my book. If you use it in mortar then it makes the mortar much harder than the surrounding masonry; if the building shifts then the masonry breaks rather than the mortar. It makes the mortar impervious to water, which then means any moisture coming through the wall is forced out through the masonry. This can and will make brickwork spall and the moment it does that then the brick is basically scrap as it's weatherproofing is basically limited to the fireskin. Lose the fireskin and the brick can and will weather and erode away to nothing very quickly.
Use of cement is a cheap fix and like all cheap fixes just stores up problems for later on, problems which are invariably more expensive and more difficult to fix than the one you're trying to avoid. Mortar should be viewed as an expendable material; if the building shifts (and it will over time) the mortar should be softer than the masonry to take up that movement. The mortar should be more permeable than the masonry to give any moisture content an easy way out of the structure.
The same goes for the internal plasterwork. Did you know that at the height of the country house building phase in Britain, architectural pattern books and builders' guides were advising that you allow anything up to five years for a new building to thoroughly dry out, prior to final decorating? Not really a problem of course if you've got the time.... but that just shows you how much moisture can potentially be generated. Now think about how cement-based renders, mortars and plasters just lock that into the structure... and it will want out...
And then people wonder why after a few years their lovely new brick walls look like they've been sprayed with machinegun fire or have gone white in patches?
Mr. Harrison,
If I may point out. Your statement on the relative hardness of masonry and mortar is most interesting. That being very specific about the definition of Engineering Hardness vs Engineering Strength, which are two different concepts. Assuming all mortar and cementitious materials to be brittle by nature, we then turn to the compressive strength of bricks as a topic to compare between the old world and the new world in terms of building standards.
I quote the following from the Wiki entry on "Brick"
QuoteThe compressive strength of bricks produced in the United States ranges from about 1000 lbf/in² to 15,000 lbf/in² (7 to 105 MPa or N/mm² ), varying according to the use to which the brick are to be put. In England clay bricks can have strengths of up to 100 MPa, although a common house brick is likely to show a range of 20–40 MPa.
One of the things I noticed when I came first to the United States, was that Mexican Standard bricks were not acceptable for American construction usage. At the heart of the issue was the compressive strength of the bricks. As it turns out American Standard Bricks are usually made to withstand a compressive stress of 105 kPa. This is roughly equivalent to the upper range of mechanical strength in British Brick Standards. However, I also noticed that the Wiki article (and the reason I ask your opinion) states that UK residential construction will require less than half of the upper margin in strengt available in the British market.
It seems to me that the reason Americans are such sticklers for brick compactness is that they are using cement based mortar. And the only way to maintain the strength ratio you mention (weak mortar, strong masonry) is to demand that masonry be much stronger. American structural rated bricks are very dense and very hard., and relatively small in size. Now I mention this noting that natural stone *residential*construction in the United States is rare, save for historical use in the 13 British American Colonies, and naturally any Spanish Construction in Florida, Texas or California.
To put it in context (using just two significant figures in the maths for argument sake), a "soft" brick at a strength of 40 Mpa / 6000 psi (British residential) will be installed using mortar with a strength in the range of 14—34 MPa (2000—5000 psi).
The Americans insist on using 105 MPa 15000 psi) brick, assuming it will also be set on 14-34 MPa mortar. See what's happening here? All you have to do is shun the use of "soft" brick and that guarantees that the mortar will be the weaker member of the couple. As for the humidity issues, please look at the "air gap method I described in my first post, above on this page.
Differences, differences. We may speak the same language but think differently and a lot of these differences are historical by nature.
To put it bluntly American engineers don't know how to build with natural masonry, such as limestone as a structural material (or with any other stones such as marble or Travertine). Nor will they use soft traditional mortar. The reason is that engineers will not sign off on materials for which they have no engineering tables, and the reason there are no tables is historical. No statistical data! Europeans know how to use natural masonry, by way of tradition.
The way you speak, reinforces my idea that across the pond, the British architects and engineers are used to managing the risk of using "soft" masonry construction as a structural material, while the American counterparts are simply not willing to take the risk. Instead, they opt for a complicated scheme, where "soft" masonry, such as low psi brick and limestone simply becomes non structural (see previous post as well...)
This is very much a cultural difference between Britain and the US, it seems to me. The British have been using masonry as a structural material for well, thousands of years. As well as most Europeans. In contrast, the Americans sublimated from structural timber construction (for which ironically there are countless data tables) to modern 20th century steel frame construction in high risers, just plain skipping altogether the masonry residential house, historically speaking.
Any opinion on that observation?
I hadn't really considered that point of view. As you say in the UK and Europe we have a tradition going back.... well.... I suppose you could say back to the Romans, if not further, of using masonry. In the UK up until the 1500s we either built in natural stone or, if the local stone was inappropriate, timber. The art of brick-making was lost with the Roman withdrawal and it was only in the 16th Century that we regained it, by importing Flemish brickmakers.
So we have a tradition going back 500 years of building in brick and going back at least 1000 years in building with stone and of course the way things are done becomes second nature and ingrained. "Why do you set out the bricks like that?".... "Because it's the way my Father did it, and my Grandfather, and my Great-Grandfather, and his Father before him...."
Whilst the US started out in New England with lots of timber. I'm reminded of an archaeological programme that used to be on TV in the UK which did a special episode on the excavations of Jamestown. The only brick building in the town was the Governor's mansion... so arguably right from the earliest days of the US your builders and architects have felt more at home working in timber than masonry, and then made the leap from timber to steel. It's notable how the US television shows we get in the UK (there are a couple of interesting ones I watch about restoring barns and old houses), the buildings involved are almost always of timber construction. The same sort of programme made in the UK likewise almost always features buildings of brick or stone.
Historically, we've not been a country inured to high-rise steel framed buildings. Before country-wide building regulations were introduced, about the most rigourous regs were the London Building Regulations- and they allow for structural steel frames until around 1909: https://www.arct.cam.ac.uk/Downloads/chs/vol6/article2.pdf (https://www.arct.cam.ac.uk/Downloads/chs/vol6/article2.pdf)
As to the type of bricks and their properties and comparing UK types to US, I don't think I'm qualified to pass a comment. I have fairly good knowledge of UK bricks- indeed I even had a go at brickmaking as part of my Masters course in building conservation!- but I've not seen or handled any bricks from the US, so any comparison would be lacking from the off. I think the only comments I can and will make are that the properties of a specific type of brick regarding it's density, permeability and strength and so forth derive from the clay it is made of, the heat it has been fired at and how long it has been fired for.
The brick I made myself several years ago for instance is a very friable sort, in the trade they're known as 'rubbers' because to rub them is to reduce them. They're not often used now and when they were, were generally used for forming things like masonry archways where the bricks need to be sanded down a specific shape to fit. Consequently their fireskin is practically non-existant and they don't weather very well.
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This is a photograph of an arched reveal I took at Hampton Court Palace several years ago; see how each brick in that arch has had to be sanded down to get a neat joint? Well, to be able to do that demands a very soft brick, which generally means it hasn't been fired to a high heat or for very long. Hence it doesn't have a hard-wearing surface and (looking at the one I made) it doesn't strike me as particularly structurally stable either. I wouldn't like to live in a house made of them.
Now compare that with an engineering brick; something like say a Staffordshire blue brick. Made of clay with very different properties and fired to a very high temperature, these are the sort of bricks you find things like Victorian railway viaducts are built of.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 08, 2018, 09:23:08 AM
The trouble is - we'd like to help but it might derail the thread. You might create a new thread on "How to rebuild my mouldy house in a steampunk fashion using traditional materials"...
I think we could do with a new thread dealing with the nuts and bolts of historic building construction generally. In planning parlance, keep this thread for planning permission (which is to say, what the buildings look like) and open a new thread for building control (which is to say, materials, their properties and dealing with issues like damp and rot and mould and what-not).
Very good idea! Start that thread if you can find a steampunkish reason for it.
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Look what concrete has done for Cairo
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Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 08, 2018, 12:39:36 PM
Very good idea! Start that thread if you can find a steampunkish reason for it.
One of my goals is to buy and restore a Victorian or Edwardian house. I'll happily set up the thread- when I buy the house. Which might be a little while yet...
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 08, 2018, 12:39:36 PM
Very good idea! Start that thread if you can find a steampunkish reason for it.
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Uncle Bert, you're killing me, man with all those ugly building pics! We did have tons of that construction in Mexico City as well, but thankfully the Baroque and Native genes of the architects kept them from making them that ugly. If we did modern we'd splash the walls with the brightest colours. Look for "Barragán" in Mexican architecture. Royal Blue, Yellow, Fushcia, Purple are colours way too loud for the European taste, as they're Native Mexican colours, but they sure prevent a Minecraft looking cityscape that looks like it belongs to The Planet of the Apes. Tokyo and Mexico City, both suffer from the cubical building malaise, but thankfully they're not as drab as your last pictures...
Barragan = Bauhaus + dulux;
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 08, 2018, 07:49:22 PM
Barragan = Bauhaus + dulux;
It's more likely to be Sherwin Williams than Dulux
Quote from: James Harrison on May 08, 2018, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 08, 2018, 12:39:36 PM
Very good idea! Start that thread if you can find a steampunkish reason for it.
One of my goals is to buy and restore a Victorian or Edwardian house. I'll happily set up the thread- when I buy the house. Which might be a little while yet...
Perhaps The Guild of Steampunk Masons? For those with mortar running through their veins?
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 08, 2018, 09:27:16 AM
Mr. Wilhelm, a fascinating digression from the theme, partly directed that way by myself. I do believe you added to the discussion with some real substance and some very interesting comparisons of materials. That sort of detail is music to my ears though others may not always appreciate it when we plumb the depths... If we keep the detail punctuated with at least one photo that looks steamy enough we might just get away with it.
We will have a new thread for the nuts and bolts of it.
Here is a picture of the original site for "El Globo," the French pastry bakery founded by Italian immigrants in Mexico City that I had mentioned at the Victorian Foods Thread. The second and third storeys are the San Carlos Hotel.
El Globo Patisserie, Mexico City, and the San Carlos Hotel
Circa 1909 (top) and the building today (bottom).
Historic Centre, Mexico City
The awning reads "Parisian Confectioner" though the Italian owners
probably meant "Parisian Patisserie." Italians liked to go into the pastry
and candy business in Mexico. Chocolate companies started by Italians
remain active today.
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Note the building acquired a 4th storey and the bottom floor was changed
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Limantour manor, ca. 1900. Mixcoac Burrough, Mexico City
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Madero Street, undated picture, Historic Centre, Mexico City
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Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 08, 2018, 09:27:16 AM
Mr. Wilhelm, a fascinating digression from the theme, partly directed that way by myself. I do believe you added to the discussion with some real substance and some very interesting comparisons of materials. That sort of detail is music to my ears *snip*
Then I shall have you know my good sir that I was in fact very drunk (well actually more buzzed than drunk) when I wrote that entry, thanks in part to a couple of pints of Guiness (no joke)! I get more technical when I'm drunk. ;D
I will start looking at post Victorian era examples. Even if some of the pictures are vaguely steamy, I'll try to explain the inspiration. Right click to zoom in or get URL from "Properties" in Windows.
Twentieth century private house, somewhere in Mexico City. Neo-Rococo is what I'd call it.
There's a vague resemblance to Art Nouveau, but its more structured than that.
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Romita Comedor ("Little Roma, Dining Room") Restaurant in Mexico City
Built in a steel greenhouse. Some indutrial / Victorian notes in the theme.
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Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 09, 2018, 07:04:24 AM
I will start looking at post Victorian era examples. Even if some of the pictures are vaguely steamy, I'll try to explain the inspiration. Right click to zoom in or get URL from "Properties" in Windows.
Twentieth century private house, somewhere in Mexico City. Neo-Rococo is what I'd call it.
There's a vague resemblance to Art Nouveau, but its more structured than that.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcvD65cUQAAU-y1?format=jpg)
Romita Comedor ("Little Roma, Dining Room") Restaurant in Mexico City
Built in a steel greenhouse. Some indutrial / Victorian notes in the theme.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcvFJg4VwAAxP4A?format=jpg)
Quite fabulous. The imagination crafts men of that era had was incredible
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 09, 2018, 07:19:54 AM
*snip*
Quite fabulous. The imagination crafts men of that era had was incredible
Well that is "new" construction, relatively speaking. It is I believe imitation 18th. C Spanish Rococo (examples in the United States are Balboa Park)
QuoteRococo, definition:
Of furniture or architecture, characterized by an elaborately ornamental late baroque style of decoration prevalent in 18th-century Continental Europe, with asymmetrical patterns involving motifs and scrollwork.
The photo at the top is an undated Pinterest picture. It could as easily be a 1920s building or much newer as in 2000's. I can't really tell from the picture, but I suspect that Mexico City house is a relatively new structure (too clean and immaculate). The giveaway is the elaborate ironwork on the windows. The windows are single pane curved cut windows in large sizes, and you can't see that kind of exaggerated style of wrought iron *directly over windows* in ANY era anywhere - they style is too cavalier, and I suspect that is made from steel, not actual wrought iron. It's not natural until you get close to the year 2000 when the ".com revolution" brought gigantic money to technocrats with eccentric gaudy tastes. There are a number of multi-million dollar mansions here in Austin that have that style of ironwork in windows. I didn't see than until 2002 or so.
Examples of ironworks over windows in ultra high-end Austin homes, ca. 2007.
www.canteradoors.com/wrought-iron-doors/ (http://www.canteradoors.com/wrought-iron-doors/)
These guys made a number of doors for architectural projects where my grandfather's limestone business was involved
I can recognize at least 5 entry doorways in their catalogue
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I think we were the ones (my family business) who designed and imported the columns and arched frames in this house, actually. That is carved Texas limestone. The columns are split lengthwise to fit over steel posts (remember what I wrote about American engineers not trusting stone?)
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If the windows in that Mexico City house were really old, they would not be cut from a single pane of glass, but they'd be more like stained glass windows in segments. In the 1920's they'd definitely would have an Arts and Crafts Tiffany look to them, and there were a number of baroque homes back then too - there are a number of 1920s mansions in the Polanco Burrogh which fit that description. The stains on the carved stone can be explained by way of pollution in the city.
I took this photo from my old catalogue. My grandfather designed this entry porch including columns and archways
The material is local and it was processed at a plant in Central Mexico. We handled the project as a *turnkey*
including installation. This one of the earliest projects for this business I link above. The style is Neo-Baroque.
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Some lovely pictures there and some real character in even the modern buildings even if some are a little 'over the top'. I strongly disapprove of the roccoco style it being far too catholic for my tastes, myself being quite protestant in nature. We tend to look upon such styles as being just 'too much'. It is strange how your cultural upbringing determines your likes/dislikes architecturally. British tastes tend toward the Germanic, early Italian and medieval rather than the Spanish. I can appreciate the work and the design in Roccoco but I can't like it. We do have some Roccoco in the UK but it tends to be interior decoration only in 18th century formal classical architecture. It doesn't make it to the exterior. The only design that comes to mind is the Brighton Pavilion which is utterly over the top with regard to its nature but not strictly roccoco in design.
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It isn't that I don't like it, I just can't. In truth it makes me want to laugh or run away as it feels as if the stone has oozed from the mind of a deviant rather than being designed by the mind of an architect. Type "roccoco" into google and see what I mean. I'm not putting it down, I just can't take it. Fascinating nonetheless.
I find the pavilion above fascinating, I also find that I don't like it but it fascinates me. It is so utterly wrong for Great Britain but it exists and I/we accept it and it has become part of the landscape. It is also part of that shared Anglo/Indian history which cannot be denied.
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With regard to the ironwork in that photo of the modern recreation. I did a short course at a blacksmith. To differentiate between cold-turned iron and real blacksmith-wrought iron you look at the final inch of the curl. If it is straight then the iron has been gripped in a vice and cold turned. If the curl continues right to the end and tapers then it blacksmith-wrought using heat and a hammer.
As a deign those doors work for me, if you consider them merely as they would have been, ie. wrought iron gates (as they appear to be from the inside) then the glass is merely an 'upgrade' to keep the elements out.
Victorian ironwork on a grander scale incorporated into a modern structure.
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some details:
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This is the holders in their heyday.
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You have to admit the Brits know how to do steampunk!
Later in decay...
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and other rather well-done gasholders.
If we have to have modern glass buildings - let them be clad in iron.
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I visited these last four in Vienna. Not in iron but brick. They are truly massive.
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Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 09, 2018, 08:57:07 AM
*snip * I strongly disapprove of the roccoco style it being far too catholic for my tastes, myself being quite protestant in nature. We tend to look upon such styles as being just 'too much'. It is strange how your cultural upbringing determines your likes/dislikes architecturally. British tastes tend toward the Germanic, early Italian and medieval rather than the Spanish.
Good grief, Uncle Bert! At this point I'll remind our British friends that at some point our ancestors were so Protestant and prudish that even the British kicked us out! ;D
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Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 09, 2018, 08:57:07 AM
It is strange how your cultural upbringing determines your likes/dislikes architecturally. British tastes tend toward the Germanic, early Italian and medieval rather than the Spanish.
It is true though, your culture influences your likes/dislikes. All our prejudices stem from our cultural history. The British are really just Germans with a sense of humour and an inate
inability to follow orders.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 09, 2018, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 09, 2018, 08:57:07 AM
It is strange how your cultural upbringing determines your likes/dislikes architecturally. British tastes tend toward the Germanic, early Italian and medieval rather than the Spanish.
It is true though, your culture influences your likes/dislikes. All our prejudices stem from our cultural history. The British are really just Germans with a sense of humour and an inate inability to follow orders.
It does give me the impression, Uncle Bert that you'd also be put off a bit by Art Nouveau and Jugendstil (the latter of which is ironically Pagan and Germanic). There is more than just a coincidental similarity beteen Rococo and Art Nouveau. In Rococo you start seeing some assymetry, and many organic / nature motifs, anything ranging from vegetation, fruit, ocean waves, all punctuated by copious angelic cherubs :D. It is over the top, but also very organic like Art Nouveau.
(Right click on any image to zoom in)
Art Nouveau at Alleé de la Robertseau No.56, in Strasbourg, Grand est, France
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Art Nouveau at Rue de Génèral Castelneau No. 22 Strasbourg, Grand est, France
Architect: Luetke Frantz 1904
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Or let me put it this way.... Why is this busy Art Nouveau style alright, but Rococo is not? I post the "Gran Hotel" again, for side by side comparison.
The Gran Hotel, México City. Originally built as the "Mercantile Centre," in 1899
Historic Centre, Mexico City
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My counterargument to Uncle bert's posts is that at it's busiest, the difference between Rococo and Art Nouveau can simply vanish. It seems to me that Art Nouveau is "over the top" by default. It is in fact another version of Rococo, just not Catholic, but Pagan.
This is an extreme example below, but it's illustrative...
Art Nouveau: Avenue Rapp No. 29,
by Jules Lavirotte, Paris, 1901
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It seems to me that Art Nouveau is "over the top" by default.
It is in fact another version of Rococo, just not Catholic, but Pagan.
Shameless self quote ;D
Pretty faun inserted for good effect ;D
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What I'd say about Spanish Baroque, is that it is greately tempered with a certain degree of "Visigothic masculinity" if I may be so bold, in contrast to say Italian and French Baroque. There is a certain bluntness to the Spanish style that you find in colonial buildings in the Americas (think JS Bach vs. Antonio Vivaldi). I should point out that the overwhelming great majority of structures in Mexico are Baroque historically for obvious reasons, which is why I have not included more examples in this thread.
Cathedral of the City of Guanajuato (Spanish pronunciation: [gwanaˈxwato]),
Guanajuato State, Mexico.
This is plain Baroque in style. It's more common than Rococo in Mexico.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/Catedral_de_Guanajuato.jpg)
Alhóndiga de Guanajuato (Alhondiga = Moorish/Spanish term for "grainery and cereal trade building")
This is also plain Baroque style, not Rococo.
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Church of San Cayetano, in Guanajuato
This is Churrigueresco (Spanish Rococo)
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Baroque is in fact the Spanish Colonial style of the Americas, period. On the other hand the Spanish Baroque style became deeply infused with Moorish architecture in the early -mediaeval period, and the busy - ness of the Muslim style embues Spanish Rococo (as opposed to plain vanilla Spanish Baroque) with phenomenal detail. That super-busy detailed style later became "Churrigueresco" in the Rococo architecture. There are some examples of that in Mexico, but mostly the style remained back in Spain. The difference between Spanish Moorish and Churrigueresco is that the Moorish style demands geometry and symmetry, rather than organic shapes, but there's no doubt the Moorish influenced the taste for busy design. The Churrigueresco is more like Italian Rococo. So there will be a difference between the Mexican , Spanish and the Italian on the Rococo subject. As far as it being "Catholic..." well that is subject for another thread.
Example of the busiest Spanish Rococo I've ever seen in the United States.
Casa del Prado in Balboa Park, San Diego California, USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balboa_Park_(San_Diego) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balboa_Park_(San_Diego))
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Spain and later Mexico made a practice of setting aside large tracts of land for the common use of citizens. In 1835, the Alta California authorities set aside a 1,400-acre (570 ha) tract of pueblo land in San Diego to be used for the public's recreational purposes. This land included the site of present-day Balboa Park, making it one of the oldest places in the United States dedicated to public recreational usage.
No further activity took place until 1845, when a survey was done by Henry D. Fitch to map the 47,000 acres. Three years later, the Mexican government was forced by the Mexican-American War to cede Alta California, including San Diego, to the United States.
On February 15, 1868, the city's Board of Trustees was asked to create a public park out of two 160-acre (65 ha) plots of land just northeast of the growing urban center of "New Town" — present-day Downtown San Diego. The request was made by one of the Trustees, E. W. Morse, who had picked the site in coordination with real estate developer Alonzo Horton. There is a sculptural group of Horton, Marston, and Morse by Ruth Hayward in the park.
Subsequently, a resolution to set aside for a large city park not just two plots of land, but nine plots totaling 1,400 acres (570 ha), was approved by the city's Board of Trustees on May 26, 1868. Then in 1870, a new law called the "Act to Insure the Permanency of the Park Reservation", was passed by the state legislature, which said, "These lands (lots by number) are to be held in trust forever by the municipal authorities of said city for the purpose of a park".
It was around this time that San Diego residents were developing fondness for the park; as illustrated by their strong desire to keep the park intact when in 1871 there was a documented attempt to purchase and divvy up the park land. At the urging of would-be land speculators and the city attorney, a state senator quietly introduced a bill in the California state legislature to repeal the 1870 law.
A San Diego resident learned of the plan and informed higher powers at the state level in Sacramento, California. The conspiracy was leaked to the press, exposing the city officials involved. A public safety committee formed and collected signatures supporting the current existence of the park. Their plea was successful and the bill was killed in the legislature. San Diego was the second city in the U.S. to dedicate a large park after New York City's 1858 establishment of Central Park.
London Road Fire Station, Manchester (UK) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Road_Fire_Station%2C_Manchester)
Dates from 1906, described as Edwardian baroque architecture.
Quote from: Mercury Wells on May 10, 2018, 02:22:06 AM
London Road Fire Station, Manchester (UK) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Road_Fire_Station%2C_Manchester)
Dates from 1906, described as Edwardian baroque architecture.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/London_Road_Fire_Station_Manchester%2C_September_2012.jpg)
It says baroque but that's really English baroque. Look at the Georgian-style rectangular windows and the stone pediment, it is busy but not crazy. It is a stripped-down style and much more solid which reflects the less flamboyant nature of British architecture in general. That building (lovely image) follows the classical 'orders' much more strictly than a typical European/Spanish inspired baroque building, the proportions of the windows, the floors, doors &c matching Roman and Greek inspired proportions. The interiors may be much more baroque than the exteriors. All architectural styles can be found in Britain in one form or another but Baroque was never really an accepted 'English' style despite minor flowerings. In any case my point re: Roccoco was made more with regard to dwellings, homes and habitable buildings rather than public buildings. I'd suggest you'd struggle to find a normal home, a normal house with Roccoco design in the UK beyond the great country houses.
The most baroque building in Britain would most certainly be a church or a public building. There are a few roccoco designs in central London (those crazy Edwardians) but they are late flowerings in an English style - but with regard to earlier original offerings St.Pauls Cathedral is the major one that I am aware of, not particularly steampunk but certainly very impressive.
Compare the styles! One is a dwelling place, a human habitation, Mexican neo-Baroque:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcvD65cUQAAU-y1?format=jpg)
The other is a relatively modern English public building :
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/Port_of_Liverpool_Building_Dome.jpg/800px-Port_of_Liverpool_Building_Dome.jpg)
Port of Liverpool's dome, Edwardian Neo-Roccoco.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.helmutvoss.de%2Fengland%2Flondon_st_pauls_cathedral%2F180002.JPG&hash=215c572bcc9098cb3a9996c4a2e4a39940ae2f66)
St. Paul's Cathedral, early English Roccoco.
A nice view of St. Paul's Cathedral courtesy of Assassin's Creed.
Climbing St Paul's Cathedral - Assassin's Creed Syndicate PS4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmPCMs0giYo#)
The interior is where you will find true Roccoco in Great Britain. In great country houses, churches and public buildings.
(https://d1wgio6yfhqlw1.cloudfront.net/sysimages/product/resized6/St_Pauls_Cathedral_5351_23871.jpg)
"My counterargument to Uncle bert's posts is that at it's busiest, the difference between Rococo and Art Nouveau can simply vanish."
There is no argument. I'd agree with that.
You'd be correct about my estimation of Art Nouveau. Some of it inspires me, that wonderful glass and iron ceiling is an example of organic beauty but that wooden door with eye or petal-shaped windows makes me shudder. It looks as if the door has become infected...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcyOfuwVwAAM8RF.jpg)
That is just personal opinion though and it does not detract from the skill, design and flamboyance of the creation. I see how marvellous it is, it just gives me the creeps. It just needs anti-biotics to stop the bacterial and fungal growth.
I think that's me done on Roccoco and Art Nouveau, my knowledge extends no further.
Pertsova house (Pertseva house, Pertsova house) is a neo — Russian-style building located on the corner of Soymonovsky proezd and Prechistenskaya embankment. It was built in 1907 and belonged to Zinaida Alexeevna Pepper, wife of the engineer of means of communication Petr Nikolaevich Pertsov.
The author of the project was the artist Sergei Malyutin, as an architect, was made by Nikolai Zhukov, the construction was supervised by engineer Boris Neubert. The building was conceived as a profitable house for the creative intelligentsia.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffb.ru%2Fmisc%2Fi%2Fgallery%2F13662%2F1379585.jpg&hash=6f698bf46cf6fcf6f7997bcc5f4f62358c1bd41d)
(https://kelohouse.ru/images/russkom-stile/dohodnyj-dom-percovoj/48.JPG)
(https://moscowsteps.com/images/blog/dom-skazka/9.jpg)
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(https://img.tourister.ru/files/6/7/3/4/6/1/0/clones/870_653_fixedwidth.jpg)
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Fascinating mix of styles in that building.
If you think that Nouveau is "too Catholic", avert your eyes:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4110/4954695543_9b2190181e_b.jpg)
Honestly not very steampunk (more like deco), but quite a striking building. I can't find a photo that really does justice to it when you see it towering over you when it's lit up at night.
This is the National Shrine of the Little Flower Basilica, a Catholic Church built by the notorious Hitler-supporting anti-Semitic priest Father Coughlin, who raised money for it's construction through his radio show.
This tower is located on a major thoroughfare where it looms over traffic like a gigantic grave marker:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/National_Shrine_of_the_Little_Flower_%28Royal_Oak%2C_MI%29_-_Charity_tower_with_Christ%27s_last_words_from_the_Cross.jpg/800px-National_Shrine_of_the_Little_Flower_%28Royal_Oak%2C_MI%29_-_Charity_tower_with_Christ%27s_last_words_from_the_Cross.jpg)
I can't find the height of the tower; the figure of Christ, according to Wikipedia, is 28 feet tall.
I have not been inside it; you can find photos of the interior on the web. The photos look unexciting to me; maybe like the exterior you to to be there to see the size to get the proper impression. Wikipedia says that it seats three thousand.
Have you ever read William Golding's "The spire" ? That building has a similar physical effect to that being build by Father Anselm in that book. You should read it if you get the chance.
Art Nouveau, no, not to my eyes, definitely more art deco.
Hmmmm.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 10, 2018, 10:26:52 AM
"My counterargument to Uncle bert's posts is that at it's busiest, the difference between Rococo and Art Nouveau can simply vanish."
There is no argument. I'd agree with that.
You'd be correct about my estimation of Art Nouveau. Some of it inspires me, that wonderful glass and iron ceiling is an example of organic beauty but that wooden door with eye or petal-shaped windows makes me shudder. It looks as if the door has become infected...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcyOfuwVwAAM8RF.jpg)
That is just personal opinion though and it does not detract from the skill, design and flamboyance of the creation. I see how marvellous it is, it just gives me the creeps. It just needs anti-biotics to stop the bacterial and fungal growth.
Well, that's what you get for letting the fauns and fairies come into the house:
Streptorococus domesticus.
Quote from: RJBowman on May 10, 2018, 08:29:45 PM
If you think that Nouveau is "too Catholic", avert your eyes:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4110/4954695543_9b2190181e_b.jpg)
Honestly not very steampunk (more like deco), but quite a striking building. I can't find a photo that really does justice to it when you see it towering over you when it's lit up at night.
This is the National Shrine of the Little Flower Basilica, a Catholic Church built by the notorious Hitler-supporting anti-Semitic priest Father Coughlin, who raised money for it's construction through his radio show.
This tower is located on a major thoroughfare where it looms over traffic like a gigantic grave marker:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/National_Shrine_of_the_Little_Flower_%28Royal_Oak%2C_MI%29_-_Charity_tower_with_Christ%27s_last_words_from_the_Cross.jpg/800px-National_Shrine_of_the_Little_Flower_%28Royal_Oak%2C_MI%29_-_Charity_tower_with_Christ%27s_last_words_from_the_Cross.jpg)
I can't find the height of the tower; the figure of Christ, according to Wikipedia, is 28 feet tall.
I have not been inside it; you can find photos of the interior on the web. The photos look unexciting to me; maybe like the exterior you to to be there to see the size to get the proper impression. Wikipedia says that it seats three thousand.
It's all Art Déco. Zero Art Nouveau. A better fit for a dystopia in Dieselpunk style. Also quasi Brutalist with hints of Fascism - including a Skull and Bones at the very bottom (though not Brutalist in materials). Built between 1932—1936, it fits into the era.
I'm not saying you're confusing styles, but just a general observation: I think this is a common sticking point for contemporary people. The styles get confused by the name.
Art Déco is all straight and geometric lines, made from cold natural materials like granite and metal and man made materials, futuristic and fit for the Jazz age. Art Nouveau is all organic, made from natural materials like wood and plants, fit for turn of the century . Or let me put it to you this way: in Lord of the Rings, Elves are Art Nouveau. Dwarves are Art Déco.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 11, 2018, 05:19:33 PM
Or let me put it to you this way: in Lord of the Rings, Elves are Art Nouveau. Dwarves are Art Déco.
Good observation.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 11, 2018, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 11, 2018, 05:19:33 PM
Or let me put it to you this way: in Lord of the Rings, Elves are Art Nouveau. Dwarves are Art Déco.
Good observation.
Ah, I see you're both Gentlemen of good taste.
Quote from: RJBowman on May 10, 2018, 08:29:45 PM
If you think that Nouveau is "too Catholic", avert your eyes:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4110/4954695543_9b2190181e_b.jpg)
Having reserved my judgement for a few days and looking at it from critical eyes, I have to say - I don't like it one bit.
That central shaft is so obviously phallic and designed to be so, there is no escaping it. That book I quoted earlier has the main protagonist, Father Anselm, confusing God's calling and the power of religion with his own suppressed sexual desire. The building of the church in the book with its great central spire is the focus point for Father Anselm's repressed sexuality and his eternal need for continuing the construction of the Spire despite all the pitfalls and setbacks represents his own need to reach a sexual climax. The spire is clearly his erection.
That shaft is the same. A manly very solid construction, stub-ended with a band near the top denoting a separate head, wider at the base and narrowing upward, on the sides symbolic lines implying great thrust pushing onward and upward. The symbolism could not be more clear. There is none of that medieval Christian architecture, tall and slender spires that attempt to reach up to God in order to touch heaven. That particular tower is squat, and gives the impression of the sheer power, that exists on the ground in man's hand ready to shag heaven into submission...
Don't ever think that architectural impressions just happen by chance. Design of any building implies an enormous amount of undertext. The design of a church has much more of an implication than any normal building. They knew what they were building...
I dislike it on those grounds as it generates a feeling of distaste in me.
The tower also implies power, suppressive power of control and domination. That is reinforced by the defensive structures around the church and the enclosing walls with the small windows. Windows on churches are typically large to imply the light coming from heaven, cutting off the natural light is wrong for a church.
That building implies domination and 'control', certainly not a good thing for the Catholic church which has an image problem these days. An anti-semitic pastor that respected Hitler and his teaching? Not a good man to provide the inspiration for such a building.
From the architectural perspective, I'm not sure it is steamy unless the shaft is actually a chimney for a steam engine hidden somewhere... I appreciate what the hidden message is but don't like it, I appreciate the use of stone and the carving of the figures, I just don't like it. Personally, I think a couple of 12" shells from an Armstrong Whitworth might make a favourable impression on it.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Gibraltar100TonGun.jpg/800px-Gibraltar100TonGun.jpg)
QuoteThat central shaft is so obviously phallic and designed to be so, there is no escaping it. (Snip) That particular tower is squat, and gives the impression of the sheer power, that exists on the ground in man's hand ready to shag heaven into submission...
Ha, ha, ha! That is the funniest thing I've read today.
I'd say you gave it way too much consideration. It took me about 5 minutes (including reading the Wikipedia entry) after looking at it for the first time to decide it was ugly and obscene.
I have to agree with Uncle Bert. It has no redeeming qualities. Even as an Art Déco building, it's downright ugly. Reminds me of the decorative motifs on the spaceships shown in the movie, "Chronicles of Riddick." Giant phallus spaceships that penetrate the world to be submitted and then destroyed. Necromonger aesthetics, for those who saw the movie, you know what I mean, have these Art Déco looking faces with Roman and HR Giger - esque death inspired subjects.
That is not the "Church of the Little Flower" but more like the "Holy Gate to the Underverse" it makes me shudder to think we have Necromongers in San Antonio, so close to where I am.
Chronicles of Riddick - Convert or Fight... (http://youtube.com/watch?v=etxQGtbD7i4#)
Quote from: Mercury Wells on May 11, 2018, 10:44:28 PM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 11, 2018, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 11, 2018, 05:19:33 PM
Or let me put it to you this way: in Lord of the Rings, Elves are Art Nouveau. Dwarves are Art Déco.
Good observation.
Ah, I see you're both Gentlemen of good taste.
Hobits and elves aren't steampunk
- not unless you chase them and glue cogs on them
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 12, 2018, 03:19:54 PM
Quote from: Mercury Wells on May 11, 2018, 10:44:28 PM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 11, 2018, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 11, 2018, 05:19:33 PM
Or let me put it to you this way: in Lord of the Rings, Elves are Art Nouveau. Dwarves are Art Déco.
Good observation.
Ah, I see you're both Gentlemen of good taste.
Hobits and elves aren't steampunk
- not unless you chase them and glue cogs on them
My Luftschiffengel are Steampunk by definition, and are as close as you get to Elves. They won't let you glue cogs on them though. Each one of them is armed with a Roman Gladius.
Some may not find the Shrine beautiful, but few are unimpressed when they see it in person.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 12, 2018, 04:17:04 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 12, 2018, 03:19:54 PM
Quote from: Mercury Wells on May 11, 2018, 10:44:28 PM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 11, 2018, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 11, 2018, 05:19:33 PM
Or let me put it to you this way: in Lord of the Rings, Elves are Art Nouveau. Dwarves are Art Déco.
Good observation.
Ah, I see you're both Gentlemen of good taste.
Hobits and elves aren't steampunk
- not unless you chase them and glue cogs on them
My Luftschiffengel are Steampunk by definition, and are as close as you get to Elves. They won't let you glue cogs on them though. Each one of them is armed with a Roman Gladius.
Here is a selection of Elfin influenced homes
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTfN3rUtfnD5qefD_1svdK66DgjEs8Oh365e9hhlQsLmCXSR4yrZKWPUXjF7Q)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b1/e1/35/b1e135026ab7d659458a59e1bb836d2a.jpg)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ2IuJQzzvqOQenPd7q2DhOY7gT_8Iz2VZjpfu6k6Xk-IzTV5FiT3oncODyjg)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTp78MCpE6NytHXJGESaVtHYS7J_C-cftqp0MCB2Gy6vvXMHF-h2pc1afto)
Along with the less palatial
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcToVhd2x2TZfPX5sZPvVLpTE6UXnS41-1XgzxU_wdn_UpwmzaRXvU_I3XSMzw)
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 12, 2018, 10:01:10 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 12, 2018, 04:17:04 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 12, 2018, 03:19:54 PM
Quote from: Mercury Wells on May 11, 2018, 10:44:28 PM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 11, 2018, 09:45:31 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 11, 2018, 05:19:33 PM
Or let me put it to you this way: in Lord of the Rings, Elves are Art Nouveau. Dwarves are Art Déco.
Good observation.
Ah, I see you're both Gentlemen of good taste.
Hobits and elves aren't steampunk
- not unless you chase them and glue cogs on them
My Luftschiffengel are Steampunk by definition, and are as close as you get to Elves. They won't let you glue cogs on them though. Each one of them is armed with a Roman Gladius.
Here is a selection of Elfin influenced homes
*snip*
I guess Art Nouveau would be less steamy with all the nature motifs, but the materials of the era blend with the Victorian like in the glass ceilings. Art Deco on the other hand does include more locomotives, but these are streamlined, Diesel locomotives - not Steam.
The first three photos you posted above are 100% Art Nouveau. The first one is Victor Horta's Art Nouveau building in Brussels. Art Nouveau architects had a penchant for round doors, windows and frames.
Art Nouveau house in Antwerp
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdB5w4OVMAAUx_U.jpg)
Art Nouveau Fireplace
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdB3ZQ8V0AASfoM.jpg)
I don't know what the third picture you posted is, but it's fantastic. Very Nordic with the wooden gargoyles coming out of the roof. That is very Scandinavian - if you look at early wooden churches in Scandinavia (Stave churches). So I suspect the third one was intentionally made to look like an Nordic elven dwelling - and Art Nouveau was very present in the mind of the one who dreamt it. If we were to dream up a race of elves who turned their back to the forest and decided to join the world of men, that is what their houses would look like.
(Reprinted from Ms. Annie's post above)
An ideal Dark Elf (i.e. "Village Slicker" ;D) dwelling
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ2IuJQzzvqOQenPd7q2DhOY7gT_8Iz2VZjpfu6k6Xk-IzTV5FiT3oncODyjg)
Here is an interesting link for you J. Wilhelm. It says the Nordic style stave home above id's Russian. It also includes another link to a fantastical Art Nouveau home in Mexico
http://artnouveaustyle.tumblr.com/post/137273732449/a-russian-house-done-in-the-art-nouveaumodern (http://artnouveaustyle.tumblr.com/post/137273732449/a-russian-house-done-in-the-art-nouveaumodern)
Art Nouveau has its inception in the Arts & Crafts movement of the late Victorian era and the steam world. For me it's always held a deep whimsical fascination. The shapes, detail and subject matter. It has a strong aesthetic. The exterior of the Antwerp house has those marvelous curves and detail of the architectural style.
Now THAT is a shed...
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ2IuJQzzvqOQenPd7q2DhOY7gT_8Iz2VZjpfu6k6Xk-IzTV5FiT3oncODyjg)
This residence keeps popping into my Google searches on random subjects. It is fabulous. It has everything one could want, wrought iron curleque, balcony, round windows.
(https://sdate.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/brussels_nouveau.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6e/28/8b/6e288b452799d2e2d02f5025f82d7297--art-nouveau-saints.jpg)
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/0e/99/a3/46/maison-saint-cyr.jpg)
Inside and out
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSX84tXM1lSWPEBiEVAzGh-qIC-796CMJd0vA9vUcj8AidhIcOlbw)
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4YTw65y8542UlnXeTs9k6UCqg9fMJWC2NnsjN52zNBSdcaY0iEz7l5sWG3Q)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fb/91/88/fb9188bbb3b9dfaad348bf8d31ddee08.jpg)
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 13, 2018, 12:42:39 AM
This residence keeps popping into my Google searches on random subjects. It is fabulous. It has everything one could want, wrought iron curleque, balcony, round windows.
(https://sdate.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/brussels_nouveau.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6e/28/8b/6e288b452799d2e2d02f5025f82d7297--art-nouveau-saints.jpg)
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/0e/99/a3/46/maison-saint-cyr.jpg)
Inside and out
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSX84tXM1lSWPEBiEVAzGh-qIC-796CMJd0vA9vUcj8AidhIcOlbw)
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4YTw65y8542UlnXeTs9k6UCqg9fMJWC2NnsjN52zNBSdcaY0iEz7l5sWG3Q)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fb/91/88/fb9188bbb3b9dfaad348bf8d31ddee08.jpg)
That is La Maison Saint-Cyr designed by architect Gustave, at No. 11 Square Ambiorix, in Brussels, and built between 1901 and 1903
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 12, 2018, 11:41:49 PM
Here is an interesting link for you J. Wilhelm. It says the Nordic style stave home above id's Russian. It also includes another link to a fantastical Art Nouveau home in Mexico
http://artnouveaustyle.tumblr.com/post/137273732449/a-russian-house-done-in-the-art-nouveaumodern (http://artnouveaustyle.tumblr.com/post/137273732449/a-russian-house-done-in-the-art-nouveaumodern)
Art Nouveau has its inception in the Arts & Crafts movement of the late Victorian era and the steam world. For me it's always held a deep whimsical fascination. The shapes, detail and subject matter. It has a strong aesthetic. The exterior of the Antwerp house has those marvelous curves and detail of the architectural style.
Sadly the Casa Requena as it is called, is literally crumbling. It's a condemned building and they need to demolish it. Apart from the obvious structural hazard, it is also a crack house and dwelling for the homeless.
Here is a blog with entries made by people passing by. The structure really is in literal ruins
http://casarequena.blogspot.com/2012/02/metodo-fenomenologico-de-la-casa.html?m=1 (http://casarequena.blogspot.com/2012/02/metodo-fenomenologico-de-la-casa.html?m=1)
One lady wrote (in Spanish) that she wailed upon stumbling on the ruined house.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 10, 2018, 10:26:52 AM
You'd be correct about my estimation of Art Nouveau. Some of it inspires me, that wonderful glass and iron ceiling is an example of organic beauty but that wooden door with eye or petal-shaped windows makes me shudder. It looks as if the door has become infected...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DcyOfuwVwAAM8RF.jpg)
That is just personal opinion though and it does not detract from the skill, design and flamboyance of the creation. I see how marvellous it is, it just gives me the creeps.
That may have been part of the decision-making process which led to Demented Games'
Twisted (https://www.dementedgames.com/) having a matching Art Nouveau scenery range by Miniature Scenery (https://miniaturescenery.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=17). Not my first choice for a style to be done in flat laser-cut MDF, though it would be very impressive if the texture could be replicated more effectively; it would make an awesome nightmare city, which definitely suits
Twisted, given what a mind-corrupting freakshow the minis range is shaping up to be.
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 12, 2018, 03:19:54 PM
Hobits and elves aren't steampunk
- not unless you chase them and glue cogs on them
Neither are humans, until they invent steam-powered technology, or at least clockwork. Hence Lord ZseZse Works' (http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/172194/Elven-Papercraft--Steampunk-Expansion?cPath=5442_5653) papercraft add-on set for elven terrain, to - yes - stick on gears. Elves would probably prefer clockwork to steam, unless they could come up with electrical technology, such as the Retribution of Scyrah in Warmahordes.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 13, 2018, 06:55:09 AM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 12, 2018, 11:41:49 PM
Here is an interesting link for you J. Wilhelm. It says the Nordic style stave home above id's Russian. It also includes another link to a fantastical Art Nouveau home in Mexico
http://artnouveaustyle.tumblr.com/post/137273732449/a-russian-house-done-in-the-art-nouveaumodern (http://artnouveaustyle.tumblr.com/post/137273732449/a-russian-house-done-in-the-art-nouveaumodern)
Art Nouveau has its inception in the Arts & Crafts movement of the late Victorian era and the steam world. For me it's always held a deep whimsical fascination. The shapes, detail and subject matter. It has a strong aesthetic. The exterior of the Antwerp house has those marvelous curves and detail of the architectural style.
Sadly the Casa Requena as it is called, is literally crumbling. It's a condemned building and they need to demolish it. Apart from the obvious structural hazard, it is also a crack house and dwelling for the homeless.
Here is a blog with entries made by people passing by. The structure really is in literal ruins
http://casarequena.blogspot.com/2012/02/metodo-fenomenologico-de-la-casa.html?m=1 (http://casarequena.blogspot.com/2012/02/metodo-fenomenologico-de-la-casa.html?m=1)
One lady wrote (in Spanish) that she wailed upon stumbling on the ruined house.
Thanks for the link. It's a crying shame. That these works of art that craftsmen put heart and soul into have fallen to ruin is sad.
Which brings us to crumbling Cuban residences...
Heritage buildings or glorified washing lines - Havana's pre revolution residences once left fallow and falling to disrepair are now being restored
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(https://exploregram.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Beautiful-urban-decay-vintage-American-cars-in-Old-Havana.-Cuba.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/aa/c5/2c/aac52cc51a24fefd85dc600d9ceb13fc.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/34/bb/0e/34bb0e1ec7451cbef680a28816e0e51c.jpg)
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Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 12, 2018, 10:54:52 PM
I guess Art Nouveau would be less steamy with all the nature motifs, but the materials of the era blend with the Victorian like in the glass ceilings. Art Deco on the other hand does include more locomotives, but these are streamlined, Diesel locomotives - not Steam.
Art Deco steam locomotives are actually quite well known; their aerodynamic body shells made it too expensive/impractical to have the majority of the fleet done in that style, though.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/The_LNER_A4_Mallard_in_the_National_Railway_Museum.jpg/800px-The_LNER_A4_Mallard_in_the_National_Railway_Museum.jpg)
LNER no, 4468 Mallard and the story of speed @ Grantham 07/09/13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmdltP7WxQ4#)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 13, 2018, 02:54:47 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2b/The_LNER_A4_Mallard_in_the_National_Railway_Museum.jpg/800px-The_LNER_A4_Mallard_in_the_National_Railway_Museum.jpg)
LNER no, 4468 Mallard and the story of speed @ Grantham 07/09/13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmdltP7WxQ4#)
Indeed!
And a prime example of Steamy Art Déco it is! Paint it green add a bit more curves and some organic flourishes and it could also be an Art Nouveau piece instead of Art Déco. But not Within the Vicwardian Period as it was built in 1938.
Quote4468 Mallard is a Class A4 4-6-2 Pacific steam locomotive built at Doncaster, England in 1938
In fact, there is no such thing as an Art Nouveau loco is there? ::) Perhaps a good project for a scale model. The Art Nouveau locomotive, "The Flying Fairy" or you can add some antlers to the cabin and call it "The huffing faun" ::) ;D
I know these aren't buildings - but while we are on the subject...
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As far as locomotives are concerned, the Mallard and the other Gresleys are probably as Art Nouveau as you are going to get. There are many striking US art-deco designs but none with the almost organic lines of the Gresleys.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/f4/1c/7cf41c27515b8c3e867e0ede4c018e92.jpg)
Very non-art nouveau... E X T E R M I N A T E !
To be completely art-nouveau you could certainly start with a Gresley and move rearward to the cab where art nouveau features might work well.
This could be adapted...
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5d/6c/c8/5d6cc8d24713cd9bd4a76058afdc5c97.jpg)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 13, 2018, 05:43:57 PM
I know these aren't buildings - but while we are on the subject...
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As far as locomotives are concerned, the Mallard and the other Gresleys are probably as Art Nouveau as you are going to get. There are many striking US art-deco designs but none with the almost organic lines of the Gresleys.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/f4/1c/7cf41c27515b8c3e867e0ede4c018e92.jpg)
Very non-art nouveau... E X T E R M I N A T E !
To be completely art-nouveau you could certainly start with a Gresley and move rearward to the cab where art nouveau features might work well.
This could be adapted...
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5d/6c/c8/5d6cc8d24713cd9bd4a76058afdc5c97.jpg)
That last one is very imaginative. The monorail theme is very Steampunk. That could be made to look very Art Nouveau. Together with the Russian Stave Art Nouveau cabin above, these would make fantastic illustrations for The Valkyrie and the Eagle.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 13, 2018, 05:43:57 PM
*snip*
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7c/f4/1c/7cf41c27515b8c3e867e0ede4c018e92.jpg)
Very non-art nouveau... E X T E R M I N A T E !
To be a Dalek train it just needs a plunger like arm.
Art nouveau or Edwardian styling? Trains in the antebellum.
https://sites.google.com/site/mikado282typesteamlocomotives/built-1912 (https://sites.google.com/site/mikado282typesteamlocomotives/built-1912)
(https://sites.google.com/site/mikado282typesteamlocomotives/_/rsrc/1423523707237/built-1912/IMG_0007-004.jpg)
(https://thelibrary.org/lochist/frisco/friscoline/images/photos/P00536.jpg)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQDAzowRqnZuLu4eOhnxae_jLr5zTGKqOl933P0BSUpYIgV9VGN9A)
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(https://nzhistory.govt.nz/files/styles/fullsize/public/railways-engineers-samoa.jpg?itok=YDA7dQy7)
Sorry, that's not art nouveau, arguably not even art anything.
Back on 'track' now to Steampunk Buildings.
Here is a few more photos of Hurricane family steampunk significance. These are photo off the ' net. They are railway stations that would have been frequented by family members on a regular basis. Most stations sadly are no longer in existence.
Papatoetoe Station
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Remuera
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSvR4ViuTlXAqbP2m11u0_JpvripphQXGtCVxLjwhHGE-mueyZhFc1WUfB9)
Pukekohe
(https://static.wixstatic.com/media/f5d147_ffe9bac1e7e6448c8efa541d55cc0562~mv2.jpg)
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSvR4ViuTlXAqbP2m11u0_JpvripphQXGtCVxLjwhHGE-mueyZhFc1WUfB9%5B/img%20Taumarunui%20%3Cbr%20/%3E%5Bimg%5Dhttps://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUxKMfnDVRMfNc7SGVRCKxYRyx2dkhLKuk-c1USDSQsnaxE2zRzbyhGHYn)
Petone
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f2/5a/8a/f25a8aed933db3cb843f6e0e5aae3dbc--sign-on-the-hill.jpg)
Lower Hutt
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Foxton
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The Southern most Railway station in New Zealand. Bluff.
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Lovely images. Not surprising they no longer exist though. The structures are nicely detailed but once again made of wood, they are temporary structures.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 14, 2018, 08:51:58 AM
Lovely images. Not surprising they no longer exist though. The structures are nicely detailed but once again made of wood, they are temporary structures.
Please define "temporary."
Quote from: von Corax on May 14, 2018, 12:41:18 PM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 14, 2018, 08:51:58 AM
Lovely images. Not surprising they no longer exist though. The structures are nicely detailed but once again made of wood, they are temporary structures.
Please define "temporary."
No need - they aren't there anymore, by definition. They were temporary, not built to last. Do go back and read thread a few pages back. We don't want to do this again...
Sorry; it just seems you're trying to impose your personal definition of "temporary" on the rest of us, and I'm having trouble with the implied idea that a house with a grass roof is "permanent" because the walls are stone, while a 178-year-old log house, because it is of wood, is "temporary."
I don't dispute that much modern construction is disposable by design; I do dispute that those train stations share that particular characteristic. Notwithstanding that they have been torn down, they were not built with the intent of being torn down.
More information on New Zealand rail history and biography of the chap who influenced or rail architecture, George Troup. N. Z. became a nation in the age of steam, it built our country. We now only use approx a third of our original rail lines. Shutting down the lines has hindered progress and innovation. There is steps being taken to reinstate rail for commercial purpose.
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQU32weAjvWZI333X7Y3b4Ekz7M5kz_8zknt98iROcrJ0Ro1fz2whf3JG0J)
Kaiapoi
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_New_Zealand (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_New_Zealand)
http://www.railheritage.org.nz/Register/Category.aspx?c=21 (http://www.railheritage.org.nz/Register/Category.aspx?c=21)
http://www.kiwirail.co.nz/about-us/history-of-kiwirail.html (http://www.kiwirail.co.nz/about-us/history-of-kiwirail.html)
https://teara.govt.nz/en/railways (https://teara.govt.nz/en/railways)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Troup_(architect) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Troup_(architect))
https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/2t49/troup-george-alexander (https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/2t49/troup-george-alexander)
Quote from: von Corax on May 14, 2018, 06:29:16 PM
... because it is of wood, is "temporary."
It is wood, it is a colonial building in a harsh environment far away from traditional building materials, it isn't there anymore, it is temporary - you put on whatever definition of temporary you like from this point on. I won't stop you.
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 14, 2018, 06:30:57 PM
Shutting down the lines has hindered progress and innovation. There are steps being taken to reinstate rail for commercial purpose.
Good to hear -fine pictures of a unique Victorian colonial style born in New Zealand. That lower picture was especially sweet. Is it still there? I suppose not...
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 14, 2018, 06:45:29 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 14, 2018, 06:30:57 PM
Shutting down the lines has hindered progress and innovation. There are steps being taken to reinstate rail for commercial purpose.
Good to hear -fine pictures of a unique Victorian colonial style born in New Zealand. That lower picture was especially sweet. Is it still there? I suppose not...
Uncle Bert. Just checked. [rapid trip to the end of country and back (via Google) ] It's still there with a slightly altered visage. It has survived through heavy ravages, of time, nature and human assaults.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fchristchurchcitylibraries.com%2FHeritage%2FPhotos%2FDisc9%2FIMG0014.jpg&hash=f43e09c59fe78cabc9f06f90767f68e82e54a4e9)
http://landmarks.waimakariri.govt.nz/kaiapoi-heritage/kaiapoi-railway-station (http://landmarks.waimakariri.govt.nz/kaiapoi-heritage/kaiapoi-railway-station)
(https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJ9a9M35x3MjJmiyuZbA16K49fIqS9GnLE3kGo2aTTazF0jwbYdM7pivUODA)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 14, 2018, 06:45:29 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 14, 2018, 06:30:57 PM
Shutting down the lines has hindered progress and innovation. There are steps being taken to reinstate rail for commercial purpose.
Good to hear -fine pictures of a unique Victorian colonial style born in New Zealand. That lower picture was especially sweet. Is it still there? I suppose not...
Actually, Kaiapoi station (that last picture) is still with us. The last of its kind, but still with us. Not bad for a timber building now 114/ 115 years old.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Nottingham_Victoria_Station_5.jpg)
By way of contrast, this glorious brick and stone pile graced Nottingham for only 67 years (1899- 1966). It isn't there anymore....
Quote from: von Corax on May 14, 2018, 06:29:16 PM
Sorry; it just seems you're trying to impose your personal definition of "temporary" on the rest of us, and I'm having trouble with the implied idea that a house with a grass roof is "permanent" because the walls are stone, while a 178-year-old log house, because it is of wood, is "temporary."
I don't dispute that much modern construction is disposable by design; I do dispute that those train stations share that particular characteristic. Notwithstanding that they have been torn down, they were not built with the intent of being torn down.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 14, 2018, 06:42:11 PM
Quote from: von Corax on May 14, 2018, 06:29:16 PM
... because it is of wood, is "temporary."
It is wood, it is a colonial building in a harsh environment far away from traditional building materials, it isn't there anymore, it is temporary - you put on whatever definition of temporary you like from this point on. I won't stop you.
I'm sorry, Uncle Bert. I'm afraid I'll side with Von Corax on this one. It's a very nebulous definition when different people across the world use different materials for long term structures.
If you have the Half Timbered structures at the historic centre of Stratford upon Avon, in England, and very large Half Timbered structures in Germany, which are in cases more than 400 years old, it's hard to qualify those structure as permanent and other large timber structures in the America's and former British Colonies as temporary, just because they're colonial.
Shakespeare's Birthplace, 1564,Stratford upon Avon, England.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Shakespeare%27s_Birthplace%2C_Stratford-upon-Avon_-_Sept_2012.jpg/240px-Shakespeare%27s_Birthplace%2C_Stratford-upon-Avon_-_Sept_2012.jpg)
Market Square, Dornstetten, Germany.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/Dornstetten-p01_crop.JPG/800px-Dornstetten-p01_crop.JPG)
Lodges on the shores of Lake Louise, Alberta, Canada (I've actually been there)
Lodge of the Ten Peaks, Lake Louise, Alberta
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdL0kbqUQAINOj2?format=jpg)
Deer Lodge, Lake Louise, Alberta
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdL0trgVQAIewqG?format=jpg)
Then there is the Hotel del Coronado, established in 1888,in San Diego, California, USA. I was also there because I lived for 7 year in San Diego.
Hotel del Coronado, (1888), San Diego, California
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdL-r0nV4AAm0kU?format=jpg)
Hotel del Coronado, (1888), San Diego, California
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdL-zu-UQAA61_x?format=jpg)
As I said, you can define it how you like. I know what I'm talking about, I am talking about temporary structures, not structures built of wood.
Let's get back onto steamy buildings please.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 14, 2018, 06:42:11 PM
Quote from: von Corax on May 14, 2018, 06:29:16 PM
... because it is of wood, is "temporary."
It is wood, it is a colonial building in a harsh environment far away from traditional building materials, it isn't there anymore, it is temporary - you put on whatever definition of temporary you like from this point on. I won't stop you.
It is still standing, otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 14, 2018, 09:32:38 PM
As I said, you can define it how you like. I know what I'm talking about, I am talking about temporary structures, not structures built of wood.
Let's get back onto steamy buildings please.
I'm happy to oblige, Uncle Bert
I don't think I had shown these pictures before. You've seen the brassy staircase and interior of the Post Office in Mexico City, the "Palacio de Correos," but not the exterior of the building. I've also shown the pictures of the Palacio de Hierro department store, but only turn of the century pictures.
Main Post Office Building, estd. 1907, Historic Centre, Mexico City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdIPicFUwAEztnc?format=jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Panorama_staircase_Palacio_Postal_Mexico.jpg/780px-Panorama_staircase_Palacio_Postal_Mexico.jpg)
Palacio de Hierro (Iron Palace) Department Store
Main building, estd. 1890, México City
The way it looks today.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdIPYrwVMAAW8IW?format=jpg)
Also, I haven't shown the interior ceiling of the Palacio de Hierro
Interior, Palacio de Hierro, department store
Main building Estd. 1890
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdMICSmU8AAVmHa?format=jpg)
Von Corax I think there's a large number of stone structures in Canada. I was going through the list of historic buildings in Canada. You need to start posting!
~ ~ ~
Another view of the Palacio De Correos
(Main Post Office), México City, 1907
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdMRrElUwAI11fS?format=jpg)
Some truly lovely buildings there in Mexico.
Something a little more prosaic to get us back onto the steamy side:
(https://cdn.theculturetrip.com/images/56-3636881-norton-folgate.jpg)
Alms Houses in Norton Folgate. You can just see Jack... if you look hard enough.
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(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/99/0f/f3/990ff3b80d3b98c05adf5a923a8c4979.jpg)
(https://www.registeredaddress.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Dragons_on_the_Holborn_Viaduct_by_Ethan_Doyle_Whyte.jpg)
Holborn Viaduct.
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Is it Jack?
This is the pub next to the viaduct
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/Viaduct_Tavern%2C_St_Pauls%2C_EC1_%282580383389%29.jpg)
inside:
(https://static.designmynight.com/uploads/2014/01/The-Viaduct-Tavern-12-620x413-optimised.jpg)
Brighton Station
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A Brighton rail bridge
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Brighton Seafront
(https://mm.aiircdn.com/288/58a708028bf8c.jpg)
Brighton Viaduct
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Steamy enough?
Uncle Bert: Jack would be Waldo's European cousin, yes?
JW: Put up or shut up, eh? :P I'll see what I can do when I get home from work.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 15, 2018, 01:03:05 AM
Something a little more prosaic to get us back onto the steamy side:
(snip)
Uncle Bert: That tavern next to Holburn Viaduct is looking mighty inviting. Just the thing I need after a day of work. And the Norton Folgate bridge is insane! Love the brick Brighton Viaduct. That is quite a sight!
Quote from: von Corax on May 15, 2018, 02:19:21 AM
Uncle Bert: Jack would be Waldo's European cousin, yes?
JW: Put up or shut up, eh? :P I'll see what I can do when I get home from work.
I would not put it that harshly. But North America is quite rich in architecture too. I figure you can dig a thing or two.
Admittedly we had more of an advantage, south from the "beautiful wall" ::) We were blessed with plenty of soft stone, beautiful weather, and a native people who practically carve stone from birth. A hammer and a chisel is included in the amniotic sack! All the Spanish did was change the architectural style. Then the French came and did the same.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 15, 2018, 03:10:55 AMAll the Spanish did was change the architectural style. Then the French came and did the same.
That makes for a marvellous and eclectic mix of styles. I have overlooked Mexico in my search for architecture I will have to look more deeply.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oldbankofengland.co.uk%2F-%2Fmedia%2Fsites%2Fmicrosites%2Fo%2Fthe-old-bank-of-england-_-p058%2Fimages%2F2017-new-images%2Fhomepagehero%2Fthe-old-bank-of-england-15.jpg&hash=add531e69314391033965e0d86038431ba002962)
The old bank of England building, now a pub!
(https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/moscowlondon/8774649/186474/186474_original.jpg)
I've heard that a portion of Jack drinks here.
This is the exterior:
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(https://i.imgur.com/uh1nigE.jpg)
An impressive pub by anyone's standards.
Quote from: von Corax on May 15, 2018, 02:19:21 AM
Uncle Bert: Jack would be Waldo's European cousin, yes?
A little harder to find and not so nice when you find him.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.churchillarmskensington.co.uk%2F-%2Fmedia%2Fsites%2Fmicrosites%2Fc%2Fthe-churchill-arms-_-p021%2Fimages%2F2017-new-images%2Fhomepagehero%2Fchurchill_0233.jpg&hash=12e2a5ebfe43a38b85cb3ab52b9033a175c8a094)
Churchill Arms
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That's the Ripper - carve'n it up, no doubt!
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 15, 2018, 08:29:15 AM
Quote from: von Corax on May 15, 2018, 02:19:21 AM
Uncle Bert: Jack would be Waldo's European cousin, yes?
A little harder to find and not so nice when you find him.
Oh,
that Jack. (Then again, nobody ever talks about
why folks are after that Waldo chap...)
Middlesex County Courthouse
London, ON
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This early Gothic Revival building was built from 1827 to 1829 and was patterned after inspired by Malahide Castle, ancestral home of Col Thos Talbot.
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The county gaol, behind the courthouse, was in use until 1977. The gaolyard walls are gone, but the building itself still stands,
The two buildings currently house the Middlesex County administrative offices, County Council chamber (the former courtroom), County planning department, two museums, and an event room.
The County web site includes a 3D interactive virtual tour (https://www.middlesex.ca/virtualtour) of the buildings.
Well there's Malahide castle for you.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Malahide_Castle%2C_March_2011_%283%29.jpg/800px-Malahide_Castle%2C_March_2011_%283%29.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8375/8365981272_219dda8b7f_b.jpg)
Okay, "patterned after" might be too strong, but Col Talbot definitely had some input.
Private house in the town of Bolívar, in the Northern State of Chihuahua, México.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdRDOZ-V0AAkCoU?format=jpg)
The streets of the City of Zacatecas in the northern State of Zacatecas, México.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdRH11rV4AAz1cA?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdRGde_VAAAl5jW?format=jpg)
La Esmeralda building and Museo del Estanquillo,
Historic Centre, México City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdRSyFGVAAAig3w?format=jpg)
The original building was home to the late nineteenth century jewelery La Esmeralda Hauser-Zivy & Co. The building passed hands from jewelry shop to government office, then to a bank, a nightclub. Today it is a museum housing the personal collection of the writer Carlos Monsivais, encompassing paintings, photography, toys, albums, calendars, advertising and books.
View from the creek in Chapultepec Park
Looking up to the Chapultepec Castle, México City
Past a medieval looking "stone shed" ;)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdRU7U1UQAEgYcZ?format=jpg)
Interior hallway in Chapultepec Castle
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdRWPxqVAAA4bdj?format=jpg)
Also inside Chapultepec Castle :National History Museum,
Chapultepec Park, México City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdRhbz5VMAA7r1T?format=jpg)
And then there is the Palacio de Minería (Palace of Mining or Palace of Mines),
From Wiki :
Quotebuilt between 1797 and 1813 by Valencian Spanish sculptor and architect Manuel Tolsá. It was built to house the Royal School of Mines and Mining of the Royal Court at the request of its director, Fausto Elhuyar, a scientifically-trained mineralogist.
Today it is the part of the School of Engineering at the National University in Mexico City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdRj5MfVMAAMw_v?format=jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/99/ColegioMineriaDF.JPG/800px-ColegioMineriaDF.JPG)
Some amazing images - your gov.t should do more to promote Mexico's image as a Western nation with a fine culture. We do not hear about it over here at all.
In keeping with Britain's image, I will post more pictures of pubs and Jack of course.
The Guinea - dated 1675
(https://pubshistory.com/LondonPubs/StGeorgeHanoverSquare/Guinea.jpg)
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(https://media.timeout.com/images/67013/630/472/image.jpg)
The Spaniards Inn
(https://www.thespaniardshampstead.co.uk/content/dam/castle/pub-images/thespaniardshampstead/thespaniardshampstead-hero2.jpg.asset/1524671503901.jpg)
(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/28.jpg?w=748&h=498&crop=1)
Not changed much since 1915:
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The Hoop & Grape
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(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/571b75339f7266bb8a3dd3df/t/5a8dddb871c10b0da49f67f8/1519744918304/Hoop+and+Grapes+Interior.jpeg)
The Haunch of Venison - Salisbury
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5345/9721972953_135d52eae7_b.jpg)
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/12/2a/40/ee/img-20180224-wa0040-largejpg.jpg)
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/0d/45/8b/e9/gemutliches-pub.jpg)
A mere 700 years old so perhaps pre-steam.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 16, 2018, 05:12:58 PM
The Guinea - dated 1675
(https://pubshistory.com/LondonPubs/StGeorgeHanoverSquare/Guinea.jpg)
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(https://media.timeout.com/images/67013/630/472/image.jpg)
The Spaniards Inn
(https://www.thespaniardshampstead.co.uk/content/dam/castle/pub-images/thespaniardshampstead/thespaniardshampstead-hero2.jpg.asset/1524671503901.jpg)
(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/28.jpg?w=748&h=498&crop=1)
Not changed much since 1915:
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The Hoop & Grape
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sundaysoullounge.co.uk%2Fuserfiles%2Fmultimedia%2F2309%2Fthumb_1490454940.jpg&hash=7485d653c9be2fa8fe8eb8c7682eeb470a454172)
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/571b75339f7266bb8a3dd3df/t/5a8dddb871c10b0da49f67f8/1519744918304/Hoop+and+Grapes+Interior.jpeg)
Now they look like
proper pubs. Beautiful!
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 16, 2018, 04:46:04 PM
Some amazing images - your gov.t should do more to promote Mexico's image as a Western nation with a fine culture. We do not hear about it over here at all.
In keeping with Britain's image, I will post more pictures of pubs and Jack of course.
Well that's the thing. Outside of the Neo Baroque and Neo Rococo pictures I posted, I have not included the 17th-18th century buildings that make the bulk of the Mexican architectural landscape. There are probably many more than 5 colonial Baroque buildings still standing for every 19th century building. Baroque architecture makes the bulk of masonry construction. We have more stone churches in towns and cities than you can shake a stick at. Also I've intentionally excluded all modern buildings in Mexico City which were not Neo Baroque. So I have left a lot out of this thread.
Neo Gothic Architecture
Our Lady of Fátima, Zacatecas, México
That orange material is natural volcanic sedimentary stone.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdWPcynU8AEcaus?format=jpg)
Part of the problem with Mexico's image is the tourism industry which for more than a century has catered to Americans looking for adventure. Americans want to go sunbathe at a tropical beach, drinking straight from the coconut, and sleep on a hammock in an adobe Hacienda, in a sleepy town with cobbled stone streets and men dressed in white clothing and sombreros, pulling donkeys and carts.
*cue sad guitar chords*
Mexican Stock Exchange Building , Mexico City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdWLU7-VAAEvuRe?format=jpg)
Americans have no appetite for a modern city with glass towers or European-looking buildings, or French inspired food, none of which they regard to be Mexican at all. The want something that looks more like a Speedy Gonzales cartoon.
A corner in México City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdWKwLTVMAAa17E?format=jpg)
And guess what? We also have a lot of that stereotypical fare to sell them. We have the beaches. We have the cobble stone streets and downtrodden villages. We have glorious haciendas. We have the hammocks and the coconuts. We have the loaded burros and sombreros too. We have the Native women in the street weaving the multicolored woolen and cotton garments. All stereotypes are based in partial truth.
Town of Taxco de Alarcón, State of Guerrero, México.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdWK-kzV4AAddzf?format=jpg)
And therein lies the problem. The tourist pamphlet is not the whole portfolio of the Mexican nation. And that is not what Mexicans aspire to be in the end; missing from the tourist pamphlets is everything else that makes this country actually function. But traditionally, the tourism industry was king in this country. And American ignorance about their southern neighbours' history and identity, I think, is unparalleled anywhere in the Western world. Far too easy to satisfy the tourist's misconceptions and present a cartoon, rather than show them all the good the bad and the ugly, so to speak.
Mayan ruins. Pyramid of the Magician
Uxmal, State of Quintana Roo, México
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdWSfx-V4AAjhN7?format=jpg)
It's very difficult to counteract stereotypes when ignorance is so entrenched. And I'm not just talking about European Americans north of the border, but Mexican immigrants and Mexican-Americans as well. In the United States no effort is made to explain the history of Mexico. And pre-Internet educational access shortcomings in Mexico, still a developing country, means that ignorance of their own history will be most severe among the people at the bottom of the economic scale, the majority of those who emigrate from Mexico.
Over a century of immigration into the United States did very little to alleviate a tremendous information vacuum, north from the border. With such vacuum present, 1st generation Mexican Americans want to just bury their past. And the 2nd generation Mexican Americans are left picking up the pieces, trying to figure out who they are. The last part is the most tragic, I believe.
Anti-immigrant feelings on this side of the border don't help, and in great part are a direct consequence from that very same ignorance.
Actual conversation held here in Austin, circa 2005, when I had briefly returned to university:
Quote
*I enter a pub outside of my university with some of my colleagues from the Engineering Department. A Canadian PhD student from my office wants me to tell his other friends my ethnic background *
"Hey John! Why don't you tell the other guys about your family? I heard you were part French?" Hé asked.
*I happily elaborate on my Mexican /French /Basque /Italian side and on my American side (British /Dutch)
"Wow, I had no idea" said some of the other students, including a Turk, and a Taiwanese student.
*Waitress comes to table, to take our order.*
"Hey ****, did you hear about my friend, John's background" The Canadian student asked her.
"No" she replied.
*I happily oblige again, being as brief as I can *
"Oh! So what you're saying is that you are just another Mexican?" She replied.
*I walk out of the pub *
This pretty much summarises the understanding and interest people on this side of the border have over the people living south from the border. Need I elaborate further? I'm not sure if we can convince them that we are either Western or worldly, when they see us in that way. And trust me, I've dealt with that issue for 30 years since I returned from Mexico in the late 80s. Sometimes I feel ignorance is getting stronger rather than diminishing.
But hopefully the Internet is changing all that. It's impossible for information to be hidden and bottled up forever. And people will get curious. Even if the information is unstructured (not academic) Go to Pinterest and search for "Mexico City." The pictures speak a thousand words. Sadly the pictures are seldom written with historical facts or in English.
Wow, wasn't she a ....bag.
Sorry.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Blackfriars_Bridge_from_South_riverbed.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Blackfriars_Bridge_London_Ontario_2008_2.JPG)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/Blackfriars_Bridge_London_Ontario_2008_1.JPG)
Blackfriars Bridge, London ON
Blackfriars Bridge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackfriars_Street_Bridge) is a wrought iron bowstring arch through truss bridge built in 1875 over the North Thames River which carried automobile traffic until 2013, and which currently carries pedestrian traffic while repairs are carried out. Blackfriars Bridge joins Blackfriars Street to Ridout Street North, and at 216 feet is the longest working example of its (very rare) type in North America.
Prior to its closure it was one of my favourite bridges to drive across.
As per its namesake in London Ontario, Blackfriars Bridge but this time in London UK.
(From a previous entry in the steampunk buildings thread).
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bristol.ac.uk%2Fcivilengineering%2Fbridges%2FImages%2FArches%2FEngland%2FLondon%2FBlackfriars%2FBlackfriars02.jpg&hash=62ae2a9107eca1b2eef35bf67169a94cad4fd915)
The Blackfriars Rail bridge and the piers of the 'missing' or invisible bridge.
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...and that earlier post showing the company patent was from the original Blackfriar's bridge:
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Amazing how those names were exported to the colonies as well as the people and the architectural styles. For a while I lived in Dundee, South Africa as well as the original Dundee, Scotland, both coal-producing towns (with Scotsmen in them) but in different continents.
Quote from: James Harrison on May 14, 2018, 07:12:25 PM
By way of contrast, this glorious brick and stone pile graced Nottingham for only 67 years (1899- 1966). It isn't there anymore....
The 1960s - an appalling time for good architecture in all ways. During the 60s one country house was demolished each week...
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 19, 2018, 10:46:22 AM
Quote from: James Harrison on May 14, 2018, 07:12:25 PM
By way of contrast, this glorious brick and stone pile graced Nottingham for only 67 years (1899- 1966). It isn't there anymore....
The 1960s - an appalling time for good architecture in all ways. During the 60s one country house was demolished each week...
Hmmm. I'll have to assess that. Maybe regarding traditional architecture, yes, a very sad time. No one wanted to keep "the old stuff." But on this side of the pond particularly where I lived, architects were really dreaming big. Nothing Victorian nor Steampunk, certainly nothing we would post here. All modern, but very creative, at least in Mexico, and they got much better in the 1970s, until the country's economy began to suffer.
Then again, the ridiculously mild climate in Mexico meant that architects didn't have to bother with practical considerations such as thermal or weather insulation. That really unshackled the hands of the architects.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 19, 2018, 10:46:22 AM
Quote from: James Harrison on May 14, 2018, 07:12:25 PM
By way of contrast, this glorious brick and stone pile graced Nottingham for only 67 years (1899- 1966). It isn't there anymore....
The 1960s - an appalling time for good architecture in all ways. During the 60s one country house was demolished each week...
Indeed, I would argue that it was the rampant demolition in the 1950s and 1960s that kick-started the architectural preservation movement. Particularly then Georgian architecture was barely seen as worthwhile, Victorian architecture was definitely out of fashion and Edwardian was viewed as dated at best. It's interesting if you look at today's amenities groups (the Georgian Group (https://georgiangroup.org.uk/), the Victorian Society (https://www.victoriansociety.org.uk/) and the C20 Society (https://c20society.org.uk/)) and then even further back to groups like the Society for the Protection of Ancient Buildings (https://www.spab.org.uk/), they all grew out of campaigns to save buildings that today we revere from demolition or unsympathetic alteration. A case of not knowing what we've got until it is gone?
A few vistas from the Highlands City of Puebla de los Angeles, México
Biblioteca Palafoxiana (Palafox Library), City of Puebla, México
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdpxxVmVAAA59FW?format=jpg)
City Hall/Municipal Centre, City of Puebla, México
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdpxedQVQAElgKq?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdpxXU8UwAAiQCA?format=jpg)
~ ~ ~
So let me ask this question. Is this thread weighed too far in favour of Continental European architecture?
The more I think about it, the more I see that the undertone of the thread is decidedly discriminatory toward non-European - and non-urban concepts of Steaminess. It seems to me to be fundamentally unfair to think of steamy buildings as only those that receive trains within urbanised centres of Europe, or centres in colonies that emulate those in Europe. My way of participating in this thread was to use the extensive catalogue of Post Maximilian buildings in Mexico, and thank God that this country offers so much on that note. In this thread, Spanish America fares much better than British America, thanks to the Mesoamerican and Southamerican native penchant for stone architecture, and the Spanish German-Visigothic drive for empire building by way of racial and cultural assimilation. It is because of those two factors alone that you see such architecture in Latin America.
Another interior view, Palacio de Correos, Mexico City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdtG70GVQAA5CWr.jpg)
Since Uncle Bert characterised the British as basically a type of Germans, I guess I could draw an analogy and say the last 5 pages have been a contest between the descendants of the Anglo-Saxon and the descendants of the Visigoth (even if our skin is a little darker now). Yet, I'd actually have to count in the Roman and Celtic roots on both sides, and the Moorish and Aztec roots as well on the Spanish side - so I'm not sure at all this is just a battle between Germans... But I digress...
My point is that Mexico and other Latin American countries can challenge the onslaught of magnificent British architecture (even if it's in a "Catholic Way") and give it a run for its money. But the United States is left with little recourse other than a few buildings here and there... British America is, it seems to me, unfairly limited to a Pioneer culture, or "Wild West" as we would otherwise call it, and thus we exclude it from this thread... Am I wrong in my assessment?
The Driskill Hotel, Established in 1886, Austin, Texas.
https://driskillhotel.com/ (https://driskillhotel.com/)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driskill_Hotel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driskill_Hotel)
Still in operation, the hotel was built from local limestone and catered to wealthy cattle industry barons
who rose to prominence during the period of Cattle Drives to Kansas territory.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdsRK4xV4AAauHr.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Driskill_Hotel_Lobby.jpg/800px-Driskill_Hotel_Lobby.jpg)
The Brown Palace Hotel, Established in 1892. Denver, Colorado.
Built in red sandstone and concrete over a steel frame it was lauded as one of the first fireproof structures in America
https://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/denak-the-brown-palace-hotel-and-spa-autograph-collection/ (https://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/denak-the-brown-palace-hotel-and-spa-autograph-collection/)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Palace_Hotel_(Denver,_Colorado) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Palace_Hotel_(Denver,_Colorado))
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Brownpalace1.JPG/800px-Brownpalace1.JPG)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2e/Brown_Palace_Hotel_Atrium_Stained_Glass_Ceiling.jpg/800px-Brown_Palace_Hotel_Atrium_Stained_Glass_Ceiling.jpg)
It makes no sense. What about the rest of the empire? Surely there is more to see than 19th. C. Neo Gothic or Neo Baroque architecture! The whole purpose of the locomotive was to connect the world. The rail road that first connected the Eastern and the Western coasts of the United States. The rail roads in India. The Orient Express. The Mexican trains full of peasant soldiers, the Australian Outback, the mines of California and Northwest Mexico. Do these venues not count because they're not masonry buildings in London?
Granted, the thread calls for buildings, not sheds or shacks. And Mongolian Yurts and Native American Tepees will probably not make it to the list. Yet there has to be more steaminess out there. Can we not include it?
I remain AYS
Admiral Johannes "Inquiring Minds Want to Know" Wilhelm
JW's plaint does raise the question: What, exactly, constitutes a "Steampunk" building?
Gooderham Building
Toronto ON
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/Flatiron2.jpg/800px-Flatiron2.jpg)
By Bill Smith - Flickr, CC BY 2.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=2938597 (https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=2938597)
Gooderham Building, rear facade
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The Gooderham Building (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gooderham_Building), also known as the Flatiron Building, is an historic office building at 49 Wellington Street East in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. It is located on the eastern edge of the city's Financial District (east of Yonge Street) in the St. Lawrence neighbourhood, wedged between Front Street and Wellington Street, where they join up to form a triangular intersection. Completed in 1892, the red-brick edifice was an early example of a prominent flatiron building. It was the office of the Gooderham and Worts distillery until 1952, and it was sold by the Gooderham family in 1957.
The Goderham or as I know it, the 'flat iron' building definitely counts if only due to the turret, the roof and the peculair shape,. The Brown Hotel Palace Hotel seems to be a little bit of a drab and fairly nondescript building, especially from the outside. If it was in the UK I certainly wouldn't add it to the list as it is not distinctive enough to warrant a mention compared to other gems here. The inside may be a different matter altogether so let's see some images of the inside.
With regard to a war between architectural styles over the Atlantic. I see no war. I see us being informed of the architectural styles that exist in Mexico, previously largely unknown to me (someone whose previous prediliction for architecture made me believe that I was quite knowledgeable - I was wrong in this respect), some of the submissions not strictly steamy but beautiful and interesting enough nevertheless to make it here without contest. No battles at all but a reminder of the healthy transfer of European architecture into a non European setting that is Mexico. Colonial impact on a culture is not always healthy but at least architecturally for Mexico it has enriched the visual aspect of the cityscape.
I've really enjoyed the recent images.
Re: The perceived battle with sheds. The trouble with the concept of architecture - the traditionally built designed environment, stone, brick, iron, copper and brass will always take precedence in any perceived battle over the indigenous building in the vernacular style. Design, elaboration and complexity is simply what make it steamy and that design aspect was largely born and exported during the Victorian period - as your images somewhat confirm, being European-inspired architecture and created using very modern materials, not indigenous and not thrown together using the vernacular.
The early examples of colonial architecture are often hastily thrown together are made of impermanent materials, whatever happens to be at hand or whatever can be hurriedly and readily exported from the mother country (corrugated, cast iron &c). The styles may be influenced by the indigenous people's buildings but only when there are any (often, there aren't). Mostly, the styles will come from the mother country. The buildings will initially be thrown together for a function and only later when the colonising culture establishes a permanent base will any permanence be seen in the architecture and only then if the local materials allow it. If you've travelled or lived in any of the old colonial countries then you'll see the majority of the early buildings have been swept away being temporary in nature (for whatever reason). Those surviving structures are the more permanent ones designed to survive or just plain lucky and very well maintained.
The US has a history of sweeping away its architecture being less sentimental about old things in general (except when they are abroad), perhaps more in love with the 'new' or generally more realistic when it comes to the power of money over sentimentality.
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Those images are for the other thread really.
Re: The wooden buildings in the UK, mentioned earlier. Anyone who thinks that those wood-framed half-timbered buildings in the UK are numbered amongst those huts then you'd be wrong. Anyone who has tried to saw a piece of aged English oak, sourced from one of his Majesties sailing ships will testify that the oak is like iron. I have broken two saws on an iron-wood beam. I live in a building that is partly wood-framed, I could send pictures of the beams but they are a little boring. Those buildings are clad in wattle and daub, later replace by brick and roofed in fired clay tiles. They are evolutionary buildings that are strong enough to adapt and starting as sheds but in the end becoming solid buildings.
My previous local town:
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I have another word for what I call 'sheds' which might not be quite as perjorative to some ears, 'huts'. Cabin, shack &c might also apply. Personally, I love a good shed, steamy though? All down to the eye.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 21, 2018, 09:05:08 AM
The US has a history of sweeping away its architecture being less sentimental about old things in general (except when they are abroad), perhaps more in love with the 'new' or generally more realistic when it comes to the power of money over sentimentality.
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Those images are for the other thread really.
"Ruins of Detroit" photos.
The city lost half it's population in the early 1970's, and it was the half that had the money. The city is full of empty houses and commercial buildings that have been without maintenance and open to the elements for decades. Buildings are vandalized and there is no owner to repair the vandalism, and fires are set by arsonists and the homeless. You will see a nice house with fresh paint and nicely maintained yard with two burned out husks of houses on the two adjacent lots.
The city has more schools and municipal buildings than it needs, so the excess are boarded up, only to be broken into, vandalized, made home to the homeless, damaged by the elements, and burned.
There is a grand rail terminal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Central_Station (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Central_Station)), opened in 1915, and closed in the 1980's, and it has become like a symbol of Detroit blight. By the 1990's there wasn't an unbroken piece of glass in the building. The building does at least have an owner that wants to do something with it, and in recent years the glass has been replaced, but the cost of restoration of the building is beyond the possible money that the building could earn.
There is an aggressive government program to demolish the unsalvageable buildings, but they don't have the budget to keep up with the demand.
They should sell them for £1/$1 - and then make a stipulation that must be lived in. America takes stateless/homeless refugees then puts them in expensive housing. Just give them a house and make them pay for their keep by renovating the thing.
I could live in Michigan station.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 21, 2018, 03:59:15 PM
They should sell them for £1/$1 - and then make a stipulation that must be lived in. America takes stateless/homeless refugees then puts them in expensive housing. Just give them a house and make them pay for their keep by renovating the thing.
I could live in Michigan station.
One of the things that I can tell you about the Americans is that they're constantly on the move. This may contribute to the impermanence of housing. One of the worst surprises that my grandfather encountered after moving to the States was that the economy of any one State could drop like a rock overnight without warning - independently from the economies of the other states. This creates repeated cycles of migration within the United States. No one stays too long in any one place. The family in America is highly "nuclear" in the sense that children leave the household as soon as they can and never return. Each young family is expected to make their own living arrangements. Things like multi generational homes in modern times are almost unheard of.
Prior to the 20th century, the restlessness of the Americans can be explained away by the territorial expansion, which really was explosive. People in the East would drop everything and get wagon, or in later years get on a train and go looking for fortune out West.
There is little sense to building a very permanent house if you are going to move soon anyway. America is a nation of travellers.
My grandparents did not quite understand that their move to California would be short lived. My grandmother passed away in San Diego, after only 6 years of arriving to the US. A bit pointless in my mind. She hated Texas's weather, and the Texas economy had tanked in the 1980s, but if they had moved to Texas, they'd have enjoyed the late 90s and early 2000s boom, and perhaps with less stress she would have lived longer.
One thing I can tell you, is that now that I'm in the "halfway mark" of my life, I'm getting a bit tired of moving around. I long to go back to Mexico and perhaps settle in a permanent dwelling. I have little appetite to be chasing the next State's economy.
I just stumbled on a fairly interesting article on Cornish miners in Mexico, the Mexican version of the Pasty, and a small British - inspired mining town named Real del Monte, in the State of Hidalgo, México.
BBC- A piece of Britain Lost in Mexico
http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20180520-a-piece-of-britain-lost-in-mexico (http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20180520-a-piece-of-britain-lost-in-mexico)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_del_Monte (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_del_Monte)
Central Plaza, Town of Mineral del Monte a/k/a Real del Monte
State of Hidalgo, Mexico
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Quote from: Drew P on May 17, 2018, 11:27:57 PM
Wow, wasn't she a ....bag.
Sorry.
Yeah. You kinda roll with the punches as they say. I have many more anecdotes but they're not for this thread. The most outrageous thing that routinely happened to me was arguing with somebody whose "brother 's friend' s cousin" went to Mexico "for one week" and "didn't see" any of the things I described, be it architecture, ethnicity or economic development. Sometimes people feel really challenged or threatened when you describe something that goes against their perceived "natural order" of the world. The arguments can be unbelievable. Alas, there was no Pinterest and I don't know where Wiki was in 2006, so it was impossible to whip out your phone and show them right away.
As late as 2014, I had an older friend (well I regarded him to be a friend at the time), argue that in the National Anthropology Museum in Mexico City "there was a large plaque where Mexican anthropologists apologised to the world" giving as reason that "Mexicans were naturally inferior and ugly, because of all those generations of Aztec and Maya who were sacrificing the smartest most beautiful virgins on the pyramids, thus depleting the gene pool"
I AM NOT JOKING. THIS IS WHAT HE SAID TO MY Face. He was very serious about it.
When I challenged him on the issue, he explained that he had seen said plaque in person when visiting Mexico City. I didn't know whether to laugh, cry, ridicule him or just smack him on the face. Thankfully I composed myself and reminded myself he was an older person.
I reminded him not once but twice (because he wouldn't listen) that I WAS RAISED in Mexico City. That I had visited that very museum not once but at least three times on school field trips. And that there was *no such plaque on the premises*
This is the kind of fossilised s*#+ I have to put up with every once in a while.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 21, 2018, 07:24:08 PM
Quote from: Drew P on May 17, 2018, 11:27:57 PM
Wow, wasn't she a ....bag.
Sorry.
Yeah. You kinda roll with the punches as they say. I have many more anecdotes but they're not for this thread. The most outrageous thing that routinely happened to me was arguing with somebody whose "brother 's friend' s cousin" went to Mexico "for one week" and "didn't see" any of the things I described, be it architecture, ethnicity or economic development. Sometimes people feel really challenged or threatened when you describe something that goes against their perceived "natural order" of the world. The arguments can be unbelievable. Alas, there was no Pinterest and I don't know where Wiki was in 2006, so it was impossible to whip out your phone and show them right away.
As late as 2014, I had an older friend (well I regarded him to be a friend at the time), argue that in the National Anthropology Museum in Mexico City "there was a large plaque where Mexican anthropologists apologised to the world" giving as reason that "Mexicans were naturally inferior and ugly, because of all those generations of Aztec and Maya who were sacrificing the smartest most beautiful virgins on the pyramids, thus depleting the gene pool"
I AM NOT JOKING. THIS IS WHAT HE SAID TO MY Face. He was very serious about it.
When I challenged him on the issue, he explained that he had seen said plaque in person when visiting Mexico City. I didn't know whether to laugh, cry, ridicule him or just smack him on the face. Thankfully I composed myself and reminded myself he was an older person.
I reminded him not once but twice (because he wouldn't listen) that I WAS RAISED in Mexico City. That I had visited that very museum not once but at least three times on school field trips. And that there was *no such plaque on the premises*
This is the kind of fossilised s*#+ I have to put up with every once in a while.
While I'm non Maori. I have been asked when over seas, why Maori don't all start living in normal houses and wear normal clothes? Instead of the alleged grass skirts and grass huts. They should ask our Deputy Prime Minister or any of our other Maori fine Maori members of parliament and business leaders.
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Maybe ask this Maori based architectural group. Industrial charm
http://toa.net.nz (http://toa.net.nz)
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Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 22, 2018, 12:02:23 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 21, 2018, 07:24:08 PM
Quote from: Drew P on May 17, 2018, 11:27:57 PM
Wow, wasn't she a ....bag.
Sorry.
Yeah. You kinda roll with the punches as they say. I have many more anecdotes but they're not for this thread. *snip*
This is the kind of fossilised s*#+ I have to put up with every once in a while.
While I'm non Maori. I have been asked when over seas, why Maori don't all start living in normal houses and wear normal clothes? Instead of the alleged grass skirts and grass huts. They should ask our Deputy Prime Minister or any of our other Maori fine Maori members of parliament and business leaders.
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Maybe ask this Maori based architectural group. Industrial charm
http://toa.net.nz (http://toa.net.nz)
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Wanton or wilful ignorance, I don't know. Granted, I can't get too angry when somebody from Singapore (I had a friend from Singapore in college) doesn't know much about the Americas - it's literally on the other side of the world. But when it's someone from an immediately neighbouring country, stainding on territory that once used to belong to the people being disparaged it really irks me. I'm funny that way.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 22, 2018, 04:58:59 AM
Wanton or wilful ignorance, I don't know. Granted, I can't get too angry when somebody from Singapore (I had a friend from Singapore in college) doesn't know much about the Americas - it's literally on the other side of the world. But when it's someone from an immediately neighbouring country, stainding on territory that once used to belong to the people being disparaged it really irks me. I'm funny that way.
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We get it from our cousins across the ditch in Australia. Let's just say that Maori have been modernising along with the rest of the melting pot here.
Oh and demanding to know why we don't know their acquauintence from way down the end of our other main island. They seem to think we are a small village - of grass huts. They are not grass huts. They were made out of flax.
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 22, 2018, 12:02:23 AM
Maybe ask this Maori based architectural group. Industrial charm
http://toa.net.nz (http://toa.net.nz)
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I'd have said that was as far from Maori architecture as you can get, someone is attempting to take the general public for a complete ride. I've never heard of anything so patently bollocks. Germanic/Scandinavian influence 99.9999999% Maori 0.00000001% - ie. a Maori is making the tea.
You could set up a design group made by circus clowns and call it a "Clown-based architectural group". It would have nothing to do with clowns. Clown architecture would fall to bits, explode in inopportune moments and generally collapse when someone leans upon it.
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To be based upon a culture it has to take its reference from that culture's design and architectural vernacular and those buildings have no reference at all to anything other than 20th century north European modernism. To my eyes they are setting up a company that is designed to insult Maori culture to the very core.
Having a clown or two in the company designing clearly Scandinavian-inspired buildings does not make it clown-based architecture.
If it is just some Maoris designing using European modernist architecture then in some way that is even worse as it is a denial of their roots, abandonment of their culture and clearly a wholesale adoption of European values.
Sometimes I despair! We have a word for these sort of people - it is Pseuds.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Dictionary#dobs=pseud (https://www.google.com/search?q=Dictionary#dobs=pseud)
The Maoris have the same problem that all colonised people have, they compare the products of their culture and find it it be wanting. It is very hard to compete with an advanced imperial power and it causes a rejection of indigenous values. Your comment of grass or flax huts was a disparaging one confirming the status of these materials but the flax and primitive building materials are the Maori vernacular and they need to be understood/promoted not ignored. If they want to try to compete on equal terms then they need to use the vernacular materials and style and start building using these materials and not just copy that of NW Europe. Maori architecture could never hope to compete on equal terms (there is simply too little of it) but it could make a start in showing what Maoris are at least capable of - but not those square, flat boxes from Norway.
Alternative design for alternative people that like living closer to the land, using the land and the materials from the land.
/rant
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 22, 2018, 04:58:59 AM
Wanton or wilful ignorance, I don't know. Granted, I can't get too angry when somebody from Singapore (I had a friend from Singapore in college) doesn't know much about the Americas - it's literally on the other side of the world. But when it's someone from an immediately neighbouring country, stainding on territory that once used to belong to the people being disparaged it really irks me. I'm funny that way.
The Brits think of themselves as fairly knowledgeable, whether that is true or not is another matter. However we do have a fair deal of knowledge of the US. It puts itself out a bit and what we see we either like or vehemently dislike (Trump et al).
However Latin America has an image problem which needs to be corrected and that was my point earlier. Well-known Mexican cultural exports are its people, the poorest portion probably, the concept of its food (whether implemented correctly or not) but not much else from the point of view of the world in general. You possibly don't stand up enough and make it clear what Mexico stands for.
IF you look at the UK, then you will all have a preconception of what Britain is, especially after the recent Royal Wedding. It is probably a summation of the following: The Queen, princes and princesses, Big Ben, castles, posh people talking posh and getting dressed up, the BBC, bad food, rainy weather, pubs, old houses, Brexit and no Empire. That about sums us up.
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There is much, much, much more to us than that but we have a brand, brand GB, Great Britain and the image abroad sticks whether correct or not. We don't knock the brand because we know it works. You could add whisky and warm beer to that list. Mexico hasn't built its brand. I consider myself knowledgable but my knowledge of Mexico goes little further than the taco and the sombrero... The average Brit knows South America little better, Argentina is that banana republic that invades our islands every now and then, in between total economic collapses &c &c. Chile was a solid dictatorship that has often been friendly to the UK. Venezuela - just plain crazy, another economically collapsing banana republic. Brazil - the untapped potential for being a world power, cuts down its rain forests. All run by Spanish hot heads that seem to be over-enthusiastic and over-emotional and an indigenous population still largely deprived and down-trodden.
That is brand South America - Whether these perceptions are correct or not (I am sure they are not) it is all about the image that is being exported. You have to overcome the natural perceptions and it takes some serious effort on behalf of the government...
I think Mexico could use that architecture to say what/who it is. The trouble is, although old and wonderful, that architecture is largely European colonial but that is an import and perhaps indicates perhaps Mexico is unsure of that bit of its past and whether it wants to emphasize that part of its culture. It is a problem for all nations that have been colonised, do you promote that part of you that in some way you reject? If you are a native or part-native then those glorious buildings can appear to be from another culture, one that says imperialism and not glory. Spanish colonialism has a history of being especially harsh so it is understandable.
Possibly Mexico has enough internal problems of its own to warrant spending time on its external image.
Enough grumps.
Steamy buildings and no more clown architecture (Maori-Scando).
I give you Bungay, a typical English market town. I give you pubs, castles, churches old buildings in general. Click on the google link for more.
https://www.google.com/search?q=bungay&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjPsfzVlJnbAhUDKMAKHcnZDDoQ_AUIDSgE&biw=1161&bih=540 (https://www.google.com/search?q=bungay&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjPsfzVlJnbAhUDKMAKHcnZDDoQ_AUIDSgE&biw=1161&bih=540)
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English vernacular, using local materials and English Medieval and Georgian styles. Not clown, not Scandinavian.
I give you some English clown architecture - as near as we can get anyway...
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Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 21, 2018, 06:54:37 PM
I just stumbled on a fairly interesting article on Cornish miners in Mexico, the Mexican version of the Pasty, and a small British - inspired mining town named Real del Monte, in the State of Hidalgo, México.
BBC- A piece of Britain Lost in Mexico
http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20180520-a-piece-of-britain-lost-in-mexico (http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20180520-a-piece-of-britain-lost-in-mexico)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_del_Monte (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_del_Monte)
Central Plaza, Town of Mineral del Monte a/k/a Real del Monte
State of Hidalgo, Mexico
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7a/Plaza_Principal%2C_Real_del_Monte%2C_Hidalgo%2C_M%C3%A9xico%2C_2013-10-10%2C_DD_01.JPG/1024px-Plaza_Principal%2C_Real_del_Monte%2C_Hidalgo%2C_M%C3%A9xico%2C_2013-10-10%2C_DD_01.JPG)
Love to visit there and try that pasty...
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 22, 2018, 11:57:58 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 21, 2018, 06:54:37 PM
I just stumbled on a fairly interesting article on Cornish miners in Mexico, the Mexican version of the Pasty, and a small British - inspired mining town named Real del Monte, in the State of Hidalgo, México.
BBC- A piece of Britain Lost in Mexico
http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20180520-a-piece-of-britain-lost-in-mexico (http://www.bbc.com/travel/story/20180520-a-piece-of-britain-lost-in-mexico)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_del_Monte (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_del_Monte)
Central Plaza, Town of Mineral del Monte a/k/a Real del Monte
State of Hidalgo, Mexico
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Love to visit there and try that pasty...
I had never heard of the town, but it's in Central Mexico, would seem very easy to get to from Mexico City. Beautiful rolling hills countryside.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/Mineral_del_Monte.jpg/300px-Mineral_del_Monte.jpg)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 22, 2018, 11:03:51 AM
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I think Mexico could use that architecture to say what/who it is. The trouble is, although old and wonderful, that architecture is largely European colonial but that is an import and perhaps indicates perhaps Mexico is unsure of that bit of its past and whether it wants to emphasize that part of its culture. It is a problem for all nations that have been colonised, do you promote that part of you that in some way you reject? If you are a native or part-native then those glorious buildings can appear to be from another culture, one that says imperialism and not glory. Spanish colonialism has a history of being especially harsh so it is understandable.
Possibly Mexico has enough internal problems of its own to warrant spending time on its external image.
I'll have to disagree with that assessment somewhat.
Actually that is a really old argument. The Mexican identity has been debated for centuries now. There are a few people who reject all European-ess, going as far as rejecting all Spanish personal names. But they are not in the majority. One thing to keep in mind is that ethnically the Mexican people are no longer Spanish nor Native, but largely a mix of the two.
So it's not just Native hands carving European architecture. The population is not just a separate ethnic group, formerly oppressed by a foreign power and resentful of past colonialism. That was true in the 16th and 17th Centuries, but no longer true today... Perhaps the dynamic between the British Empire and India is different. But what I know is that the Spanish policy of racial mixing (dating back to the Visigothic Era in Spain) applied to the Americas was a massive exercise in social engineering. And I must say the Spanish were successful, however you choose to see the Spanish as good or evil.
Because of that integration policy, I don't think that the Mexican public would largely see Spanish Baroque as an unwanted influence. Culture tends to follow ethnicity, so one must look at the roots of the Mexican people to see why they would not reject Spanish architecture altogether:
Café de Tacuba, (est. 1912) , Historic Centre, México City
This is traditional vernacular "Mexican Colonial" architecture, but no longer just Spanish
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The Mexican government stopped racial classification in the 1930s, opting to define ethnicity based on culture and not colour of skin, but the American government continues to track the racial profile of Mexico today. From memory, according to US government figures, in the late 1980s, about 60% of the population was mixed Native and European, nearly 30% was mostly Native Mexican (90% or better racially pure), and the remaining 9.x % was Caucasian, of Hispanic or non Hispanic origin. The other fractional percentage includes people from Asia (mostly Chinese, a few Japanese), and Middle Eastern, mostly from Lebanon and Israeli. Much more current genetic surveys now point to the average Mexican being 60% Caucasian based on the average genomic haplogroups...
President Benito Juárez (1806-1872) was a full blooded Native Mexican
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Jacóbo Zabludovski (1928-2015) was a famous news anchorman and TV personality
He was born to Polish Jewish immigrants who came to Mexico
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Jacobo_Zabludovsky_en_la_entrega_de_la_medalla_%22EDUARDO_NERI%22_2013.jpg)
Make that what you will, but either study points to the fact the average Mexican is very mixed, so Western culture is not just superficial, but rather embedded in the Mexican blood stream. Therein lies the difficulty. We can't say we're not Spanish. We can't say we're not Native.
Café de Tacuba (est. 1912), Historic Centre, México City
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The Mexican majority share land with a rather sizable Caucasian minority (at 10% slightly smaller than the African American percentage in the United States), and a very large minority of Native People at almost 1/3 of the population. After the Mexican War of Independence (1810-1821) and Civil War (1910), all groups are represented politically.
Most importantly, all racial groups intermarry within 2 or 3 generations at the most. It's a very fast process actually, and very much contrasts racial self-isolation which is the cultural norm in British America (this excludes French America, most notably) . But as a racially pure Mexican, you are guaranteed to have racially mixed grandchildren at some point, more so, and especially if you are at the top of the economic scale, which I guess will also baffle people in British America.
Thus all groups are Mexican. No colony here. Now we are all Mexican, from the Polish Jewish newscaster to the Native lady making tortillas at an open kitchen in Mexico City. That is why the Mexican government stopped classifying by way of racial origin, and is also why people in British America are baffled by our identity. The racial minority groups are kept in place by a dynamic homeostasis process sustained by continuous immigration from Europe and the United States plus other parts of the world. That was true since the late 1800s, and for the last decade Mexico has seen an increase in European and Asian migration (discussed in another thread a few years back).
Escaramuza (Mexican Side Saddle riding) dress.
The roots of the American Southwest Cowboy are found in Mexican Vaquero culture
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Colonial architecture is here to stay, but we're not a colony, and that is part of the Mexican culture now.
However, do note we love our native culture too. But you will only see that in modern architecture, both residential and commercial. The Native roots first re-surface in the 2nd half of the 20th century in architecture, and I haven't shown any of that in this thread (not steamy). The general trend is that Pre-Hispanic inspired architecture is the reserve of modernist Brutalist Architecture in Mexico. It should be obvious why. The primary stone edifices of the Native Mexican were Brutalist in nature.
Hotel Las Brisas Ixtapa, Zihuatanejo, México
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Art Nouveau Restaurant / Café in San Angel Burrough, México City
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Voladores de Papantla ("Flying men from Papantla")
A native ritual reenactment group, they perform a Nahua ritual meant to ask the gods for rain.
The Flyers climb a 30-meter pole from which four of the five participants then launch
themselves tied with ropes, slowly descending to the ground as they revolve around the pole
The fifth man remains on top of the pole, dancing and playing a flute and drum.
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The Heroic Military College, México City.
The reason I don't discuss much Native inspired architecture is that it tends to be modern
Often Brutalist in style it is seldom pretty, but it's pedigree is undeniable.
The Romans invented concrete. The descendants of the Aztec loved it!
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The original article. The Ceremonial Centre of Teotihuacan.
Found by the Aztec, it was made by a previous extinct civilization. The tallest structure (lower picture)
is the Pyramid of the Sun; at 65,5m, it's about 46% of the height of the Pyramid of Giza
The pyramids are made of carved stone and rough cut rock covering a mound made of rubble
and smaller, concentric older pyramids
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dd3ESLkV0AAVfs9?format=jpg)
Those little coloured dots on the Pyramid of the Sun are people.
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But one cannot escape the contrast of cultures either. Mexicans remain devoutly Catholic. As Natives they were already devoutly religious. Those pyramids I show above were religious ceremonial buildings, no less. The Mexicans exchanged the blood of sacrifice for the blood of Christ. I seriously doubt you can reverse that process. For good or bad, the Spanish were successful in their conversion and assimilation.
Templo Expiatorio, City of Guadalajara, State of Jalisco, México
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If you want vernacular, then there is no more Mexican vernacular than the Hacienda. Basically a fancy ranch house, it's the equivalent of the French Maison Provençal. The American tourist did understand this concept, though, and thus the Hacienda is the centre for most Mexican architectural stereotypes. Yet, you can't claim the Hacienda is not Mexican. It was probably in this setting where the first children of Native and Spanish were born. The Roman origin of the Hacienda by way of Spain is absolutely undeniable.
San Antonio Comalá Hacienda, State of Colima, México
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Good explanations and good examples. The Mexicans may be the only people in the world that can legitimately use brutalist architecture as their vernacular style. The only people in the world that can accurately justify its use. I can't stand brutalist architecture but in this context I cannot deny the appropriate and accurate use of the style.
Damn.
When you have an architectural style that powerful, that strong - it cannot be denied. Mexico is a place with a deeper and more powerful soul than the major neighbour to the North and that is reflected in its architecture. It is strange to realise how the Spanish came and ripped the soul from the indigenous culture yet replaced it so utterly thoroughly with their own. The mix is undoubtedly and undeniably powerful.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 23, 2018, 08:28:44 AM
Good explanations and good examples. The Mexicans may be the only people in the world that can legitimately use brutalist architecture as their vernacular style. The only people in the world that can accurately justify its use. I can't stand brutalist architecture but in this context I cannot deny the appropriate and accurate use of the style.
Damn.
Yeah. It is ugly isn't it? ;D Making it look good is very tricky. That is why Barragán started splashing everything in colour. To be honest, the intense colours are 100% native. Fuschia, Royal Blue, Bright Yellow, Green, Purple and Ochre are in fact colours that were obtained from natural sources and splashed all over the pyramids. The Maya loved red and white. But I guarantee those Teotihuacan pyramids were not drab grey when they were in use. The Aztec found them already grey. The evidence for the Native colours is found all over modern indigenous dress. Barragán borrowed that palette.
You have taught me a lot. I was largely ignorant of Mexican built environment and culture but it is understandable as Mexico is not naturally connected to the UK and its culture by such strong ties. There are links, true, but they are more tenuous than say with Australia, NZ and even Canads/SA. In future I will pay Mexico more attention and avoid the stereotypes!
So back to the steamy side of things.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 23, 2018, 09:23:16 AM
You have taught me a lot. I was largely ignorant of Mexican built environment and culture but it is understandable as Mexico is not naturally connected to the UK and its culture by such strong ties. There are links, true, but they are more tenuous than say with Australia, NZ and even Canads/SA. In future I will pay Mexico more attention and avoid the stereotypes!
So back to the steamy side of things.
Will be back with Steam tomorrow. Must catch some sleep "tonight." I may leave the confines of Mexico City and look for Edwardian Era examples, namely Revolución Period. More "Wild West" and less French, if you will. I was trying to do that yesterday when I stumbled on the Mexican version of the Rodeo and ended up posting elsewhere in BG.
http://brassgoggles.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,43536.msg992225.html#msg992225 (http://brassgoggles.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,43536.msg992225.html#msg992225)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 23, 2018, 08:28:44 AM
Good explanations and good examples. The Mexicans may be the only people in the world that can legitimately use brutalist architecture as their vernacular style. The only people in the world that can accurately justify its use. I can't stand brutalist architecture but in this context I cannot deny the appropriate and accurate use of the style.
There is a wee bit of steaminess going on at that Brutalist academy though... That is where the military cadets perform their induction ceremonies and parades. In particular the dress uniform of the military academy is very steamy, with a very early - mid 19th C design.
Military cadet with a Mexican Eagle at College grounds.
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Poster of a female cadet on the 100th anniversary of the Mexican Air Force
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In the midst of trying to look for "Steamy" Mexican achitecture, I realised that one must follow the history of the Industrial Revolution in Mexico. While I have spend a great deal of time talking about the Maximilian Period, I have not justified its "Steaminess." Also I was interested and intrigued by Uncle Bert's classisfication of the "vernacular architecture."
A description of the Maximilian Period does not sound particularly Steamy. After all, as much progress as Emperor Maximilian intended to bring to Mexico, it was not him, but his republican succesor, Porfirio Diaz the one who brought the Industrial Revolution to Mexico. He was the one who promoted international and technocrat interests in Mexico. He was also the one who accelerated the development of the mining industry in Mexico by bringing and expanding the locomotive technology from Britain, and the American mining interests.
So I think it's this period known as the "Porfiriato" that will provide the next volley of Steamy architectural posts on my part I think there will two prongs to my approach:
1. A continuation of the "Continental European" Neo-Classic and Neo-Baroque urban landscape, which is inevitable because those buildings I posted correspond to the development of the Indutrial Revolution in Mexico.
2. A Mexican "Wild West" approach, which corresponds to the development of the mining industry in Northwest Mexico, and the development of large scale farming in South and Central Mexico.
I will note, however, that Mexican "Wild West" will be inevitably Baroque in character. It's impossible to avoid that because the development of the mining industry first started in the 1500s. Also, the Spanish Hacienda, the first model for exploiting Native labour also dates back to the 1500s. One of the first things that the Spanish did was to exploit the landscape! Thus the mining towns and the small rural towns in Mexico will actually have some of the oldest buildings in Mexico! Those oldest of buildings in Mexico City, the seat of a centrally oriented government will also be pointed out. Note that Mexico City was founded in 1521.
This rural architecture is *bonafide* Baroque architecture. Not "Neo-Baroque," because the buildings are so old. The only exeptions being the Neo-Gothic chrches built in the 19th.C like in the State of Zacatecas in the wake of the modernisation of the mining industry.
And if they're not old, then they're inspired from older Baroque architecture! To put it bluntly Mexico City was very "modern" while the rest of the country was "old fashioned," and far less likely to look "steamy" to the average English speaker. Yet, I think it is in the later segment where we will find the "Steamy Mexican Vernacular" architecture, as these would be the dwellings and work places of the peasants who were fueling Porfirio Diaz' Industrial Revolution. They will be steamy because the towns are directly linked to the railroad industry which is the lifeblood of this industrial revolution, not because the architecture is a "modern" 19th. C. architecture - I just want to make that very clear beforehand. ::)
I can't emphasize enough that the wealthy people were living in a cosmopolitan late 19th.C, while the farmers and peasants *arguably* were left behind much farther back in time. This is where the Native and the Spanish roots of architecture are made more obvious. It's precisely this strain between the Mexican Peasent and Urban Labourer versus the Foreign Technocrat that is the cause of the Mexican Civil War (Revolucion) of 1910, which would last over a decade overall. The conflict directly involved ethnic as well as cultural and economic strains between the social classes.
Relating to the Industrial Revolution, the Porfiriato Era and the subsequent Revolucion Period are directly equivalent to the Meiji Era in Japan. I've posted this video before, I think about 5 times if not more in this forum. But, I never get tired of referencing this movie as it is directly relevant to the period; if a picture is worth a thousand words, then a moving picture will speak 10 000.
"El Atentado" (The Attempt Dossier)
A historically based fiction revolving around a fictitious assasination attempt against President Porfirio Diaz.
This is the historical period of many of the residential burrows in Mexico City, with Neo Baroque and Art Nouveau
architecture which I've posted in the last 10 pages or so. Look at the attire of poor and wealthy. Notice any cultural patterns?
El Atentado (Trailer oficial Alta resolución) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kScpKejDIGA#)
Chapter II
Mexican Architecture during the Porfiriato
1. The urban landscape
About 115 years ago, in 1903, during the Pro Western regime of President Porfirio Diaz, "Colonia Roma," one of the most famous burroughs in Mexico City was founded. I have already shown a number of homes and a couple of apartment buildings of the Edwardian Period in that part of town. Below I present a few more examples from the Early 20th.C.
A building in the Romita Burrough, México City
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Interesting that I used the word "Colonia" to define the word burrough in Spanish. There is a reason for that. The burroghs were called "colonias" (colonies) because at the time the burrows were the enclaves of European migrants in Mexico. Like saying "Little Italy" in New York today. The custom of referring to a burrogh as a "colony" remains in the Mexican vernacular today.
Housing in the Colonia Roma burrough, México City
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This process of migration accelerated in the late 19th. C. in great part because of Porfirio Diaz' idea of modernising Mexico. Now, General Porfirio Diaz was a hero of the Republican Resistance against the French and Mexican Empire of Maximilian. And he was a Mestizo (mixed blood) himself from a humble background. Very far away from the European Elite of the Maximilian period. So what gives?
President -arguably dictator- Porfirio Diaz
Ruler during the periods 1876 to 1880 and 1884 to 1911
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Porfirio_diaz.jpg/800px-Porfirio_diaz.jpg)
My guess is that Porfirio Diaz became impressed with the progress and refinement brought by the French, Belgian and Austrian to Mexico City. Emperor Maximilian (formerly Prince Maximilian of Austria) was a very progressive man, in spite of his royal trappings and style. Progress was his main agenda. And the French and almost any other European who landed in Mexico since the 1830s, proved to be an enthusiastic Mexican citizen, often engaging in the development of the nation. So Porfirio Diaz embraced Continental culture wholesale, no bars held, in the hope they would raise Mexico to global standards.
House in Colonia Roma, México City
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Out of this welcome mat tended to foreigners came the concept of the "colonias" in Mexico City. But these "colinias" already existed in Mexico City. As I wrote some time ago, European migration started almost right after the Spanish lost Mexico in 1821. In fact, the "Colonia Francesa" (French Colony) one of the first international burrows in Mexico City, was established *before* the French Intervention in 1840!
Walking past Hotel Colonia Roma at night, México City
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The Colonia Roma project was part of the expresion of that favouritism toward European migrants. You see, a British citizen, Edward Walter Orrin, made a request to City hall to develop a new "Colonia" which he called "Roma," ("Rome" ) in deference of a smaller neighbouring burrough named "Romita" ("Little Rome")
Architecture could follow the immigrants' preferences.
The Scherer House (1909) , Mixcoac Burrough, México City
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Lovely and informative - keep it going.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 25, 2018, 08:55:20 AM
Lovely and informative - keep it going.
HOLY COW!!!
I just found out that my Great Grand Uncle, Carlos Bazan Cañamar (b.1887), participated in the Mexican Civil War (Revolucion) as an Artillery Officer (Colonel), on the side of the "Constitutionalists." After the conflict he became a Mathematics and Tactics Professor at the military Aviation academy, (I finally found where I got the aeronautical bug!), becoming the schools director and attaining the rank of Brigadier General, and changing the name of the school to Military School of Applied Aeronautics (1921-1925).
https://www.facebook.com/aviaciomilitarmexicana/photos/o.158859000857968/1471109229581846/ (https://www.facebook.com/aviaciomilitarmexicana/photos/o.158859000857968/1471109229581846/)
My Great Grand Uncle on my Basque /Mexican side
Brigadier General Gustavo Bazán Cañamar, born 1887
Was sent abroad to study Artillery at the French Military Academy and
After returning to Mexico was a Colonel during the Mexican Civil War.
He was a professor and eventual director of the Mexican aviation academy
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Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 25, 2018, 09:50:00 PM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 25, 2018, 08:55:20 AM
Lovely and informative - keep it going.
HOLY COW!!!
I just found out that my Great Grand Uncle, Carlos Bazan Cañamar (b.1997), participated in the Mexican Civil War (Revolucion) as an Artillery Officer (Colonel), on the side of the "Constitutionalists." After the conflict he became a Mathematics and Tactics Professor at the military Aviation academy, (I finally found where I got the aeronautical bug!), becoming the schools director and attaining the rank of Brigadier General, and changing the name of the school to Military School of Applied Aeronautics (1921-1925).
https://www.facebook.com/aviaciomilitarmexicana/photos/o.158859000857968/1471109229581846/ (https://www.facebook.com/aviaciomilitarmexicana/photos/o.158859000857968/1471109229581846/)
My Great Grand Uncle on my Basque /Mexican side
Brigadier General Gustavo Bazán Cañamar, born 1887
Was sent abroad to study Artillery at the French Military Academy and
After returning to Mexico was a Colonel during the Mexican Civil War.
He was a professor and eventual director of the Mexican aviation academy
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Its amazing what we find when we go searching the familiy history
That would be born 1897!
But nice to have a hero in your ancestry!
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 26, 2018, 12:49:31 AM
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Its amazing what we find when we go searching the familiy history
Quote from: Banfili on May 26, 2018, 01:00:43 AM
That would be born 1897!
But nice to have a hero in your ancestry!
Yeah, and I wasn't even looking! I knew already of Gustavo Bazán (I've even had an American from up north inquire right here on Brassgoggles on my Aunt's family), and I knew that Gustavo was a military officer. And that he went to France for military training. But I had no idea that he actually participated in the Civil War, I'd think he was too young, or he had escaped it while being in France.
But as it happens not only did he fight on the war (on the winning side), but he became a Maths and Aerial tactics teacher! And lo one told me that he was a Brigadier General... And a director of the school of aviation!
Jesus! No one told me I was not the first to go into aeronautical engineering! I don't think that my grandfather knew exactly what his uncle did in the Army! I thought all in my family were Civil Engineers. But it turns out the Bazán side gave me my wings too!
This really floored me.
The Mexican Northwest Frontier
President Porfirio Diaz' government followed a policy of concessions to foreign interests most notably the mining industry. Prior to the period, the gold and silver mines had been depleted by the Spanish and the Mexican from the most productive type of ore (direct metal deposits), and the processing of the remaining ore required more much more specialised techniques.
Town of Concepción del Oro, State of Zacatecas
Founded in 1587, it was once an important centre for gold production and helped finance the Spanish war against Britain. It wasn't recognised as a municipality until 1857.
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The Americans, French and the British had at the time the most advanced mining techniques, and Porfirio Diaz courted those foreign interests with the idea of developing the Mexican industry. In particular it was the introduction of electrical equipment, mostly by Americans, which finally revitalised the Mexican mining industry. Americans were given large land concessions by the Mexican Government, mostly in the Northwest of the country. The industry then changed from extracting precious minerals to other non ferrous metals, most notably copper.
Church in the mountains around the ghost town and mines of Aranzazu (a/k/a El Cobre), State of Zacatecas, Mexico
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Abandoned copper mines at the ghost town of Aranzazu, Zacatecas
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Abandoned equipment at the mines of Aranzazu
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It should probably be noted that culturally the Mexican Northwest is somewhat equivalent to the American Southwest (besides being the same geographical region, essentially), the main difference being that the Mexican Northwest was never populated as fast as the American side. To date, the Mexican Northwest remains sparsely populated compared to the rest of the nation. Extreme desert weather conditions also meant that the region was always sparsely populated save for the Native tribes who offered resistance to Spanish, Mexican and American settlers.
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Far North, right next to the border with the United States, there were some mines that the Spanish did not discover until the 1700s - a full two centuries after the Conquest. One such mine was the Cananea Mine, discovered by Spanish Jesuit priests in 1765, in the North of the State of Sonora. However, the Spanish and later the Mexican settlers in the 19th. C encountered severe resistance from the Native peoples, in particular the Apache, and this meant that the mines were never fully developed until the were re-discovered in 1865 by Mexican General Ignacio Pesqueira.
It was at that time when the Governor of Sonora would establish the Fort of San Gabriel to keep the Apache away, and make way for British mining equipment. In 1899, two mining companies are founded, Compañía Minera de Cananea founded my a Mexican, and "The Cananea Consolidated Copper Company" (a/k/a "CCCC") founded by American businessman William Cornell Greene.
William Cornell Greene's house in Cananea, State of Sonora ca. 1900
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Every now and then these companies would suffer great labour disputes that would get out of control. The reason was unequitative pay and poor treatment toward Mexican laborers. Mexican labourers in the company would be paid far less than the American employees and work longer hours, and that became emblematic of the social problems that plagued the Porfirio Diaz administration. Quite simply white foreigners in Mexico were always given preferential status at every level of society.
CCCC Employees' General Store, Cananea, State of Sonora, Mexico
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In 1906, two-thousand CCCC Mexican miners demanded an increase in pay from William Cornell Greene and organized a strike - and the reason the town of Cananea is important in Mexican history is because this was the very first organized worker's strike in all of Mexico's history... Some consider the Cananea Strike to be a precursor to the Mexican Civil War ("Revolucion").
The Cananea CCCC Worker's Strike, 1906
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The strike turned into a deadly full revolt. While trying to defend the company, the American workers armed themselves, and routed the Mexican workers out of the mining grounds, but not without suffering 5 casualties on the American side. The American consulate called the Governor of Arizona for help, and a posse of Rangers was sent across the border to subdue the Mexican workers on Mexican soil. 23 people would die in the conflict. Those workers who were deemed to have revolted against the company were taken to the Cananea Jail which is still standing today as a museum and monument to workers rights.
The Cananea Jail
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Carcel_Cananea_1.jpg)
The lower image caught my eye. It's a simple classic design, often used by government architects, with subtle variations in detail - then I noticed it was a jail. They are often built with all the character of the times
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on May 29, 2018, 11:58:16 PM
The lower image caught my eye. It's a simple classic design, often used by government architects, with subtle variations in detail - then I noticed it was a jail. They are often built with all the character of the times
Indeed. This is about as generic as you can get. After all the whole purpose of the buildings was to function as a satellite to the mining company. There was no Spanish Baroque architecture anywhere close by, and this was not an area traditionally settled by the Spanish.
In my next installment I'll contrast to the Central Mexican mining towns as they were revitalised by 19th C. industry centuries after they were founded - literally during the Spanish Conquest period.
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I seem to have run out, unless I start posting images of peoples houses.
Mexico's Colonial Centre
President Porfirio Diaz had more in mind than just bringing technology to the mining industry. The centre of Mexico had been for centuries the cornerstone of precious metal production for the Spanish Empire, but the mining cities long renowned for their precious metals began to loose productivity in the 18th. C.
One of those centres was the City of Guanajuato (Pronounced "Gwah-Nah-Hooah-Toh). The were about 15 major deposits of silver that were found between 1548 and 1558, including "La Veta Madre" (literally "The Mother Lode"), and "La Valenciana" mine.
La Valenciana Mine, City of Guanajuato, State of Guanajuato, Mexico
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It is estimated that Guanajuato was the number one producer of silver in the world by the late 1700s, with about 2/3 of that production coming from La Valenciana mine circa 1800. Such was the wealth priduced by Guanajuato for the Spanish crown, that King Carlos III deviced special peerage titles for the keeper of the mine, an thus Antonio de Obregon y Alcocer became known as "Viscount of the Mine," and later "Count of La Valenciana."
"Templo de San Cayetano" church at the La Valanciana complex.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/CayetanoVal3.JPG/514px-CayetanoVal3.JPG)
Later as metal deposits waned, La Valenciana became less productive, and by the mid 1800s it had been abandoned in favor of other mines along La Veta Madre.
Interior of San Cayetano Temple, at the Valenciana Mine.
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There still was a lot of silver to be mined, but it required a laborious process that was not cost effective, even with British locomotives and mining equipment brought during and before the Maximilian Period. The new technologies brought by Germans, Americans and French helped break this impasse by the turn of the century. This is the task that Porfirio Diaz took as part of his mandate, that is bring back the days of glory of the Guanajuato mines.
Among the modernisation projects that were required was a giant system of underground tunnels to drain water during the Summer Monsoon rains which tended to cause major flooding throughout the city. One of those is the "Tunnel of El Cuajin" which stretches 1.14 km under the cityscape, and which was carved using 19th. C modern mining techniques. The resulting underground network made the already mediaeval looking Guanajuato look even more picturesque, with balconies and fantastical houses overhanging the tunnels.
Houses over an opening of the El Cuajin Tunnel. City of Guanajuato, Mexico
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As the 20th. C rolled by, automobile traffic could not be handled by the Renaissance and Baroque period streets of the city, and the local government came up with the idea of channeling traffic through the extensive drain tunnels which could have a diameter of more than 7 meters. So a relatively high speed network of underground highways now bypassed the congested streets at ground level.
El Cuajin Tunnel at night, City of Guanajuato, Mexico
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El Cuajin Tunnel at night. City of Guanajuato, Mexico
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Traditionally, owing to the mining industry, Guanajuato had also become a centre for higher learning and a university is an integral part of the city. Among the many traditions remaining from the Baroque period is the custom of having bands of students dressed as troubadors, dressed in 16th. C and 17th C garb, and serenading the streets of Guanajuato. The 19th. C may have rolled by, but so much of the city still looked (as it does today) like Sirano de Bergerac or the Three Musketeers are going to materialise in the streets at any time.
"Estudiantina." Groups of trubadors (Tunas) comprised of college students
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuna_(music) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuna_(music))
Estudiantina y rondalla de la Universidad de Guanajuato (http://youtube.com/watch?v=wR1v7Lo61ZQ#)
Callejoneando con la Tuna Colonia de Guanajuato (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ryF4Yxb1_lg#)
Thus, with a fine arts background, and President Diaz' penchant for the finer things of life, it was not at all a surprise that an elegant municipal thatre would be erected in the name of former President Benito Juarez. The building however was not chosen to be a neo barqoue style, but rather a neo classical style, as with everything that was built under Diaz' tenure.
Juarez Theatre at night. City of Guanajuato, Mexico
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Mr J. Wilhelm , Mexico has a mine of amazing buildings and heritage
Quote from: chironex on June 02, 2018, 12:18:41 PM
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I seem to have run out, unless I start posting images of peoples houses.
Its the humble abodes of the human populace that are often the most intriguing. They capture a moment in time. They tell us about living standards, trends and fashions, economic environments, life styles and more.
That is a marvelous cottage of the era. Find us more and post away
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on June 02, 2018, 08:22:55 PM
Mr J. Wilhelm , Mexico has a mine of amazing buildings and heritage
And I'm sure if I keep digging I'll find more. Though I believe we have passed the "Mother Lode" and now we require more laborious research...
Owe it to the fact that Western style construction happened immediately after the arrival of the Spanish. early to mid 1500s is a typical year for the oldest communities, so they've had a lot of time to accumulate stone buildings. So early in fact that the earliest 16th C. buildings firmly belong to the Renaissance Period (Renaissance is between 14 and 17th. C.). They had enough time to develop Baroque and Rococo architecture and then cap it off with Neo Classical at the end of the 19th. C
In contrast Jamestown, Virginia doesn't start until about 100 years later, and really Colonial in the US is almost always to be taken to be newer than than in the 1700, with timber construction. 18th C and early 19th C stone construction in the Romanesque or Neo Classical is mostly associated with government buildings as the Roman Empire was the inspiration for the new republic. Puritan Spartan fashion demanded simpler structures for most other applications. Some residential construction along the East cost will look more like the British, with bricks, but it is a very different focus.
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Another building in the Roma Burrough of Mexico City
Mixed mode, grungy business downstairs and hipster housing above
The business on the left is a wig shop :D On the right you have a grungy lunch diner
with an even seedier looking convenience store in the middle.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/De1WHluUYAEXl2m.jpg)
Lovely pictures. A good homely store inside a lovely old building - quite appropriate. Doesn't always need to be posh.
Your water channel images have inspired me to dig out some Victorian sewer images. On their way!
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 04, 2018, 09:12:12 AM
Lovely pictures. A good homely store inside a lovely old building - quite appropriate. Doesn't always need to be posh.
Your water channel images have inspired me to dig out some Victorian sewer images. On their way!
Looking forward to your pictures, as always!
And I bet the tacos at that lunch place are really tasty - but I would not call whatever is inside of the tacos "beef." ;D That was half the fun in Mexico City.
From the indications of it all, it looks like Roma had been gentrified as of late. It is now considered to be a hipster area, and with good reason. Still, living near downtown is rough. You have to have a "New York City" type of wit about you, when you walk the streets. I remember going on outings with my school buddies *very* late at night, and I can't believe how cavalier we were about it back then. It makes me shudder today. All the highschool kids in my school were well to do, and so they all had cars - so we could all expose ourselves to danger regularly :-\ I was one of the few who didn't have a car.
I think about what it would take for me to go back there - I have already lived more than half of my life here in the USA. But I'd even brave those sketchy tacos -and the traffic if someone told me I could go back. I figure I'd have to "train" the flora in my guts* and take some serious acrobatic driving lessons** first before going back ;D
*The Americans call it "Montezuma's Revenge."
** I know how to drive very well, but driving in Mexico City is a different ballgame altogether
Another shot of buildings in the City of Puebla, State of Puebla, Mexico
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Monty's revenge and the worries about violence are what might convince an otherwise seasoned traveller to avoid Mexico. I have lived in very unsafe South Africa and the slightly dodgy capitals of several European countries and what appeals to me here in Blighty, Norfolk in particular, is how safe it is here. Doors and cars unlocked. I cycled for 25 miles last night through the country and saw only one car...
Don't feel the need to expose myself to danger anymore, especially with kids.
When abroad I look English, I sound very English and my kids do too, all blonde and red-headed. I tend to stand out and that always worries me. My attempt at blending in? A sombrero, a poncho, an umbrella and a very English accent will just make me look bloody stupid.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 04, 2018, 04:09:43 PM
Monty's revenge and the worries about violence are what might convince an otherwise seasoned traveller to avoid Mexico. I have lived in very unsafe South Africa and the slightly dodgy capitals of several European countries and what appeals to me here in Blighty, Norfolk in particular, is how safe it is here. Doors and cars unlocked. I cycled for 25 miles last night through the country and saw only one car...
Don't feel the need to expose myself to danger anymore, especially with kids.
When abroad I look English, I sound very English and my kids do too, all blonde and red-headed. I tend to stand out and that always worries me. My attempt at blending in? A sombrero, a poncho, an umbrella and a very English accent will just make me look bloody stupid.
Yeah. I very much would avoid the sombrero unless I was in a Charro / Mariachi suit and I could sing.
While you may stand out, blonde/red headed people are more common than you think in the capital city and other urban centers in Central Mexico (as I explained in the last page). They are very much part of society like every other Mexican. The thing is not so much how you look, but how you act.
American style Hawaiian shirts, khaki shorts and flip flops scream "tourist." You're asking for it.
Local Caucasian Mexicans dress upscale always with a button down shirt and business casual, like other upscale Mexicans because they traditionally form part of the Bourgeoise in this country.
American style Hawaiian shirts, khaki shorts and flip flops - thank goodness that is not me.
Hawaii shirt and flip flops... That's asking for it anywhere
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 04, 2018, 07:35:15 PM
American style Hawaiian shirts, khaki shorts and flip flops - thank goodness that is not me.
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on June 04, 2018, 08:06:13 PM
Hawaii shirt and flip flops... That's asking for it anywhere
But you see them all the time! Up and down the pyramids with the fanny pack and the camera hanging from the neck! And more often than not wearing a cheap straw sombrero with the word "Mexico" embroidered on the hat ;D How could people not stand out like that?
Mexico City (All of Central Mexico) has very dry cool weather. People tend to wear long sleeve shirts and long pants most of the time. Pollution, however, does mean that Mexico City can get warmer in the summertime; but save for young people like students who will wear the mandatory printed T-shirt and jeans (like anyone else in that age range around the world), most of the time adult Mexicans are more formal.
Not that I'd mind a nice Charro suit. They are truly beautiful, but its basically a folkloric suit based on 19th. C ranch-hand attire. It's for festive occasions only being the equivalent of a Japanese Kimono or Hakama attire. The Mariachi suit was developed from the marriage ("maria-chi" as pronounced by 19th.C Mexicans) music bands that were hired during the French Intervention/Maximilian Period. It may also be derived from the French/Imperial Mexican Counter Guerrila uniforms:
Maximilian/Intervention Era French Counter-Guerrilla Uniforms
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The traditional men's Charro suit
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The modern female version of the Charro suit
Mexican Singer, Lucero
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I thought for a moment the young Lucero photo was a another attractive Mexican mariachi singer from the 70s
Linda did a string of traditional Mexican folk recordings and concerts mid career.
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Quote from: Hurricane Annie on June 04, 2018, 09:23:53 PM
I thought for a moment the young Lucero photo was a another attractive Mexican mariachi singer from the 70s
*snip*
Yeah Linda Ronstadt is 71 years old now. She was a popular singer in the 1970s and 80s in the United States . Her great grandfather was a German immigrant in Mexico in Arizona when it was still part of Mexico. Her Mexican heritage played a part in her music career, as she grew up listening to traditional Mexican music.
Lucero, on the other hand, was a teenage pop idol during the 1980s, at some point she made a transition to Ranchero Mexican ballads. She's about 1 year younger than I am now ::)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/Luceroternur.jpg)
But back to buildings... Here's another photo of the Chapultepec Castle at night:
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Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 04, 2018, 04:09:43 PM
Monty's revenge and the worries about violence are what might convince an otherwise seasoned traveller to avoid Mexico. I have lived in very unsafe South Africa *snip*
I don't think that major urban centres like Mexico City, Guadalajara or most beach resorts along the coast can be considered to be that "unsafe," though.
Walking in Mexico is not like walking in a First World country, but by the same token it's not as unsafe as so many other parts of the world...
The drug gang problems in Mexico have given that country a very bad reputation. I'm under the impression that even Mexican Americans living in the US now have an unrealistically poor impression about that country. Americans (and by consequence the world at large) are just too afraid over their own hype in the news - to be brutally honest.
Mexico, Argentina and Brazil are not like Colombia or Venezuela, but Americans (and the World) don't know the difference. We go back to the subject of ignorance.
The thing to remember about the developing world is that not all areas of a country are equally developed. In Mexico, the choice of place where you live, play and work is very critical, that's why I'd prefer to live in the outskirts of the city in the southwestern suburbs.
Even there you have crime and hear about horror stories though - but I think most middle upper class people are holding well.
The problem is when ultra-rich become a target, or when the working class get involved with the wrong crowd. Most of the violence has found a niche in poor rural areas and towns, and mostly concentrated toward the Mexican North and Northwest closer to the US Mexico border where the drug gangs smuggle drugs across the border and hold or fight for territory.
The Southeastern Yucatan peninsula and Mayan Riviera coastline are much safer, as well as the large Central Mexican urban centres. If you're going to *live* in Mexico, its best to live in those areas.
Toward the Guatemala border it becomes more violent again, and currently from Guatemala toward El Salvador it's very violent, which is why you see "caravans" of Central Americans traversing Mexico to the USA in the news. The Mexican migration to the USA is now actually near zero or negative and has been for the last 4 years (funny how some politicians say otherwise), but Central American migration is on the rise because of problems in Central America.
Pictures of Linda Ronstadt on a thread regarding steampunk buildings, hmmm.
Righto, back on track.
Subterranean or underground buildings, most connected with water. Many of these were created, designed or inspired by a great Victorian engineer, Sir Joseph Bazalgette.
(https://i.imgur.com/ME0Ybkz.jpg)
The following image has not been manipulated, it is genuinely that large, it is an underground reservoir at Finsbury Park.
(https://i.imgur.com/CS5fW7Q.jpg)
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More to come...
Many of London's rivers, streams, drains and ditches were moved underground to make way for the Georgian/Victorian city above. So an entire underground network that follows the old river courses and roads above, all lined with millions of bricks. Dark, dingy, smelly and dangerous, a truly steampunk world.
I believe these are kings scholars pond
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This is Gerrard St. East
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Penstock
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More to come...
A favourite...
Green Park
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(https://i.imgur.com/6TjgRnf.jpg)
Withington
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Camden Vaults
(https://i.imgur.com/VXbIzcZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/pjMEE3d.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ESIO4Fg.jpg)
Crystal Palace Station
(https://i.imgur.com/Dc8tQoY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KYWnrYG.jpg)
Queensbury railway tunnel
(https://i.imgur.com/XI38WZ1.jpg)
A sewer beneath Sheffield.
(https://i.imgur.com/l283hfV.jpg)
This one is from New York
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Cisterna Basilike, Istanbul
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Papplewick pumping station reservoir
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South Kensington underground railway station
(https://i.imgur.com/6Xir6I0.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/South_Kensington_Underground_Station_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1721410.jpg)
Baker Street
(https://i.imgur.com/dKZQf8B.jpg)
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Art et Metiers Paris
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 04, 2018, 07:35:15 PM
American style Hawaiian shirts, khaki shorts and flip flops - thank goodness that is not me.
It's me! And Panama! I went to France like that. The Russian did.
well, that would not offtopit.
House of "Singer"The six-storey art Nouveau building with an area of about 7000 m2 was built in 1902-1904 by architect Pavel Suzor for the joint-stock company singer in Russia. For the construction we chose a place with maximum commercial and business activity at the intersection of Nevsky prospect and the Catherine canal. A venerable architect with a 30-year career took up the project for a generous customer and decided to work in the art Nouveau style, leaving in the end one of the most ambiguous buildings in St. Petersburg.
In the early twentieth century, public buildings sought to surround the space, light, functionality. Since the number of premises to be rented depended on the profit, and the land in the city center was expensive, the balance between space and capacity found in the number of floors. In new York and Chicago, this led to the construction of the first skyscrapers. But in St. Petersburg there was a limit on the height of 11 fathoms (23.47 meters), which was determined by the height of the Winter Palace. In addition, the construction of high-rise buildings is difficult on the marshy soils of St. Petersburg. All these arguments-not in favor of the fact that the house of singer was conceived as a skyscraper: so will write after in new York to the original building Singer Building added the tower and it was 53 floors, becoming the highest in the world (construction of the tower will end in 1908).
Requirements for the height of the buildings effectively bypassed: the ban on high-rise construction is related to the facade, standing on the red line, and the attic and the dome are no longer part of it. So, in the house of singer attic of the seventh floor began above the level of 11 fathoms. Between Paul Susara and architect of the Singer Building by Ernest Flaggon (eng.). there is one similarity: the attraction to the canons of the Paris school of fine arts and French architecture. For the building in St. Petersburg, the original project was developed by Flag, and then the work was continued by Suzor.
The singer house is a mix of two styles. Cartouches, Valkyrie on rostrakh, suddenly manifested sinks refer to neo-Baroque. On the contrary, floral designs, emerging in the "whip" that emerge from the iris leaves, dragon heads, mascarons, glazed tile is taking us in the modern. Baroque brings simple allegories: one Valkyrie holds the rod of mercury (a symbol of trade), the other in the hand spindle (a symbol of light industry), and under the right elbow — a sewing machine (the object of the main products of the company "singer"). For all the refinement of the architect's taste, sometimes it is heavy: the facade of the building is overloaded.
A number of technical innovations were introduced in the construction of the building: for the first time in Russia, a metal frame was used. New in the architecture of St. Petersburg were also Atria - glass-roofed courtyards. The building was equipped with the most advanced technologies of the time, from elevators to automatic cleaning of roofs from snow.
The building was decorated in art Nouveau style. The decoration uses fluid, "organic" lines, the interior is decorated with floral ornament of wrought bronze. On the facade there are sculptures by A. G. Adamson, symbolizing the progress and the garment industry — the main profile of the company "singer", other works were performed by the sculptor Artemiy Ober. The building has become a striking example of modern architecture in St. Petersburg.
Now the building has a bookstore.
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Lovely building, your head is in the skies whilst mine is in the sewers.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 05, 2018, 05:09:44 PM
Lovely building, your head is in the skies whilst mine is in the sewers.
I liked the Paris Museum of sewage. I remembered about him and wanted to write. But it is not Russia, and information about him in Russian. That would be a very bad translation.
Quote from: morozow on June 05, 2018, 03:56:59 PM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 04, 2018, 07:35:15 PM
American style Hawaiian shirts, khaki shorts and flip flops - thank goodness that is not me.
It's me! And Panama! I went to France like that. The Russian did.
well, that would not offtopit.
House of "Singer"
The six-storey art Nouveau building with an area of about 7000 m2 was built in 1902-1904 by architect Pavel Suzor for the joint-stock company singer in Russia. For the construction we chose a place with maximum commercial and business activity at the intersection of Nevsky prospect and the Catherine canal. A venerable architect with a 30-year career took up the project for a generous customer and decided to work in the art Nouveau style, leaving in the end one of the most ambiguous buildings in St. Petersburg.
In the early twentieth century, public buildings sought to surround the space, light, functionality. Since the number of premises to be rented depended on the profit, and the land in the city center was expensive, the balance between space and capacity found in the number of floors. In new York and Chicago, this led to the construction of the first skyscrapers. But in St. Petersburg there was a limit on the height of 11 fathoms (23.47 meters), which was determined by the height of the Winter Palace. In addition, the construction of high-rise buildings is difficult on the marshy soils of St. Petersburg. All these arguments-not in favor of the fact that the house of singer was conceived as a skyscraper: so will write after in new York to the original building Singer Building added the tower and it was 53 floors, becoming the highest in the world (construction of the tower will end in 1908).
Requirements for the height of the buildings effectively bypassed: the ban on high-rise construction is related to the facade, standing on the red line, and the attic and the dome are no longer part of it. So, in the house of singer attic of the seventh floor began above the level of 11 fathoms. Between Paul Susara and architect of the Singer Building by Ernest Flaggon (eng.). there is one similarity: the attraction to the canons of the Paris school of fine arts and French architecture. For the building in St. Petersburg, the original project was developed by Flag, and then the work was continued by Suzor.
The singer house is a mix of two styles. Cartouches, Valkyrie on rostrakh, suddenly manifested sinks refer to neo-Baroque. On the contrary, floral designs, emerging in the "whip" that emerge from the iris leaves, dragon heads, mascarons, glazed tile is taking us in the modern. Baroque brings simple allegories: one Valkyrie holds the rod of mercury (a symbol of trade), the other in the hand spindle (a symbol of light industry), and under the right elbow — a sewing machine (the object of the main products of the company "singer"). For all the refinement of the architect's taste, sometimes it is heavy: the facade of the building is overloaded.
A number of technical innovations were introduced in the construction of the building: for the first time in Russia, a metal frame was used. New in the architecture of St. Petersburg were also Atria - glass-roofed courtyards. The building was equipped with the most advanced technologies of the time, from elevators to automatic cleaning of roofs from snow.
The building was decorated in art Nouveau style. The decoration uses fluid, "organic" lines, the interior is decorated with floral ornament of wrought bronze. On the facade there are sculptures by A. G. Adamson, symbolizing the progress and the garment industry — the main profile of the company "singer", other works were performed by the sculptor Artemiy Ober. The building has become a striking example of modern architecture in St. Petersburg.
Now the building has a bookstore.
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Thank you for posting that. That is a most interesting building... Definitely an iconic landmark. Great history too!
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 05, 2018, 10:46:22 AM
Pictures of Linda Ronstadt on a thread regarding steampunk buildings, hmmm.
Righto, back on track.
Subterranean or underground buildings, most connected with water. Many of these were created, designed or inspired by a great Victorian engineer, Sir Joseph Bazalgette.
(https://i.imgur.com/ME0Ybkz.jpg)
The following image has not been manipulated, it is genuinely that large, it is an underground reservoir at Finsbury Park.
(https://i.imgur.com/CS5fW7Q.jpg)
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More to come...
Now that is truly a massive underground structure. The extensive use of brick is most interesting in those reservoirs and sewers. Great engineering.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 05, 2018, 11:11:46 AM
This one is from New York
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There's a lot of Steampunk there. I can see that as a set for a Steampunk film. Some sort of equivalent to the City of Zion in The Matrix movie. I can see Sentinels in the form of metallic Kraken (with bowler hats and monocles) invading the tunnels
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 05, 2018, 11:29:27 AM
South Kensington underground railway station
(https://i.imgur.com/6Xir6I0.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/South_Kensington_Underground_Station_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1721410.jpg)
Baker Street
(https://i.imgur.com/dKZQf8B.jpg)
There is so much character in those railway stations.
Quote from: morozow on June 05, 2018, 05:15:27 PM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 05, 2018, 05:09:44 PM
Lovely building, your head is in the skies whilst mine is in the sewers.
I liked the Paris Museum of sewage. I remembered about him and wanted to write. But it is not Russia, and information about him in Russian. That would be a very bad translation.
We need more members of Brassgoggles to post here.
Wax Museum, Juárez Burrough, México City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfDgOQFUcAExeIE?format=jpg)
Old Heroic Military College Building, Popotla Burrough, México City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfDi9daUYAAlSkp?format=jpg)
A Building on Bucareli Avenue, Downtown Mexico City
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Those buildings are a lost arabesque. Its is the moorish influence
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on June 07, 2018, 04:09:19 AM
Those buildings are a lost arabesque. Its is the moorish influence
And I'm sure there is a lot more like that. I just never knew that when I was living there.
It reminds of Blue and White Spanish tiles. Blue and white ceramic is ubiquotous in Spanish culture. It is in fact a Moorish import during the Middle Ages. Cobalt Blue and White Ceramic first came from East Asia to the Middle East. Then it arrived in Spain. Then the Netherlands. So there are several parts of the world where you can find handpainted bllue and white ceramic.
I had shown this before. The Casa de los Azulejos:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casa_de_los_Azulejos
Casa de los Azulejos (House of Tiles). Sanborns' Main store & Restaurant
A 1500s era building remodeled in the 1700s with tile.
Historic Centre, Mexico City
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Interior patio at Casa de los Azulejos
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"La Mexicana" Building Historic Centre, Mexico City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfHdx7LUwAAusgT.jpg)
Another street in Colonia Roma, Mexico City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfHkacYVQAAe15j.jpg)
Art Nouveau entry to the "Metro" (Underground/Subway),
next to the Palacio de Bellas Artes, Mexico City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfHoXlrU8AA1EFe.jpg)
This is the" Paris " design of the entrance. The model project was completed in 1900 by the French architect Hector Guimard
In Moscow, there is one entrance with this design. A gift to The Moscow metro from the Paris city public transport company (RATP).
London's underground entrances aren't quite so artistic, a little more 'solid' but just as evocative I think.
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Bank station entrance complete with fan housings...
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On the subterranean scene, Baker Street underground - Platform scenes:
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Functional underground London
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Quote from: morozow on June 08, 2018, 08:58:09 AM
This is the" Paris " design of the entrance. The model project was completed in 1900 by the French architect Hector Guimard
In Moscow, there is one entrance with this design. A gift to The Moscow metro from the Paris city public transport company (RATP).
This entrance in Mexico City actually has its own Wikipedia entry! It was an exchange gift between Mexico and France in 1998. This was a copy of the Guimard design in Paris.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metro_Bellas_Artes
The first lot of Mexican Metro trains were are all French by the way. Later, they started purchasing from other countries (French Alstom, Canadian Bombardier, Spanish CAF, and Mexican Concarril (now Bombardier Transportation Mexico). Mexico City did not get a Metro/Underground/Subway until 1969 (design started in 1967 just before the 1968 Olympic Games in Mexico City). The Mexico City Metro is the second longest in North America, right after the New York City Subway system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Metro
While most public transportation in Mexico City is regarded to be noisy, unreliable and dirty, the metro enjoys an impeccable reputation for being one of the busiest, best and cleanest systems in the world, transporting 1.662 billion passengers in the year 2016 (Yes that is "billion" passengers -the 9th. highest ridership in the world). In no small part due to the help from the French. It's also one of the quietest, as a certain percentage of their rolling stock ride on special hybrid rubber tyres/steel wheel bogies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Metro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber-tyred_metro
Train No. FE-10.
Photo by GAED 2012 CC 3.0 (Creative Commons Share Alike 3.0)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ac/FE-10_06.jpg/800px-FE-10_06.jpg)
Art Nouveau Subway / Underground Entrance in Mexico City,
next to the Palacio de Bellas Artes.
The Paris style entrance was a gift from French President Jacques Chirac in 1998.
Photo by Thomas Ledl, 2015 CC 4.0 (Creative Commons Share Alike 4.0)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfMXviSUEAAysbA.jpg)
French Architect Hector Guimard and wife Adeline
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Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 08, 2018, 10:20:15 AM
London's underground entrances aren't quite so artistic, a little more 'solid' but just as evocative I think.
*snip*
I've been at the Baker St. station, in the arly 1980s.
The first photo with the twin lamps and the snow is my favourite.
"The first photo with the twin lamps and the snow is my favourite."
Mine, too!
Part of our heritage is gone now. The Victoria Park pub burned down last night.
https://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/crime-court/historic-victoria-park-hotel-completely-destroyed-by-huge-fire/news-story/986557f16dbd5b0b205f39379d62e51f (https://www.townsvillebulletin.com.au/news/crime-court/historic-victoria-park-hotel-completely-destroyed-by-huge-fire/news-story/986557f16dbd5b0b205f39379d62e51f)
And in other news, we have the location of the G7 summit, The Fairmont "Le Manoir Richelieu" in the municipality of La Malbaie, in Québec, Canada. Originally built in 1899, apparently it burned down during a fire and the current building was completed in 1929.
Le Manoir Richelieu, La Malbaie, Québec, Canada
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That pub - easy enough to rebuild though. Corrugated iron roof on a lightweight wood trussed roof. Iron or steel or plain wood uprights on the verandah/upstairs/downstairs. The walls appear to be a simple wooden structure. Not difficult to rebuild at all as all materials easily available or reproducible. A plain and simple wooden structure.
Then they can improve the interior that has been badly hacked about over the decades, put back some wooden windows of the period and give it back the original look and feel. At the same time make it a little more fire retardent and insulated to boot. Job done. If there is the will.
I would go so far as to say it would be easy to rebuild. Honestly, some dedicated hamish would have that knocked up over the weekend.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Victoria_Park_Hotel%2C_1995.jpg)
That impressive but ugly behemoth of a hotel in the Northern Americas, we've had that here before. Not the prettiest of buildings and those windows need restoring to get it look 'right'. Someone ripped out the pretty originals a long time ago and replace them with single panes. I think they should all be sash window frames if I remember correctly.
(https://i0.wp.com/luxebeatmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/IMG_2630HRpa68904.jpg)
Windows are the 'eyes' of a building and when you rip out the old and replace with a different style of flush full pane glass you are just fecking up the whole character of the building. Would you put a pair of sunglasses on the Mona Lisa? Architects are 99% of the time - idiots.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 09, 2018, 06:34:29 PM
That pub - easy enough to rebuild though. Corrugated iron roof on a lightweight wood trussed roof. Iron or steel or plain wood uprights on the verandah/upstairs/downstairs. The walls appear to be a simple wooden structure. Not difficult to rebuild at all as all materials easily available or reproducible. A plain and simple wooden structure.
Then they can improve the interior that has been badly hacked about over the decades, put back some wooden windows of the period and give it back the original look and feel. At the same time make it a little more fire retardent and insulated to boot. Job done. If there is the will.
I would go so far as to say it would be easy to rebuild. Honestly, some dedicated hamish would have that knocked up over the weekend.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Victoria_Park_Hotel%2C_1995.jpg)
That impressive but ugly behemoth of a hotel in the Northern Americas, we've had that here before. Not the prettiest of buildings and those windows need restoring to get it look 'right'. Someone ripped out the pretty originals a long time ago and replace them with single panes. I think they should all be sash window frames if I remember correctly.
(https://i0.wp.com/luxebeatmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/IMG_2630HRpa68904.jpg)
Windows are the 'eyes' of a building and when you rip out the old and replace with a different style of flush full pane glass you are just fecking up the whole character of the building. Would you put a pair of sunglasses on the Mona Lisa? Architects are 99% of the time - idiots.
I still think there has to be more in Canada.
Also on the American side, there are a number of buildings in the "Federal Architecture" style (a type of Neo Classical) mostly associated with the government and emergence of the nation, but also some large private residences. The problem is that the mental association with Steam is not made because most Americans regard the formation of their nation as an 18th C or early 19th C affair. Basically Georgian through Regency in British parlance; the steam, however, is more associated with the Wild West.
We've had this building before but there are some lovely aspects that haven't been highlighted yet.
King's Cross St Pancras:
(https://i.imgur.com/iXcMrWp.jpg)
Original Victorian brickwork and ironwork in beautiful condition. Right click and view image to see this larger image in full detail.
(https://i.imgur.com/z6OoFMV.jpg)
The front of the station building, the hotel at night. Right click and view image to see this larger image in full detail.
(https://i.imgur.com/4i4cQ7k.jpg)
An exterior shot showing the architectural mix of styles.
(https://i.imgur.com/TFVGjzu.jpg)
The statue of Sir John Betjeman on the upper station forecourt.
(https://i.imgur.com/MXVjs26.jpg)
Exterior detail in close up view. This is a large image that you can enlarge.
(https://i.imgur.com/TNt3zJT.jpg)
The interior, I want to eat and drink there now...
You can some shots of bits of the interior here in this video at approx 1:27:
Richard III - Scene 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luplp0Vzd38#)
Very bad quality and the colour has been sapped somewhat but it gives an impression.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 11, 2018, 12:52:02 PM
We've had this building before but there are some lovely aspects that haven't been highlighted yet.
King's Cross St Pancras:
(https://i.imgur.com/iXcMrWp.jpg)
Original Victorian brickwork and ironwork in beautiful condition. Right click and view image to see this larger image in full detail.
(https://i.imgur.com/z6OoFMV.jpg)
The front of the station building, the hotel at night. Right click and view image to see this larger image in full detail.
(https://i.imgur.com/4i4cQ7k.jpg)
An exterior shot showing the architectural mix of styles.
(https://i.imgur.com/TFVGjzu.jpg)
The statue of Sir John Betjeman on the upper station forecourt.
(https://i.imgur.com/MXVjs26.jpg)
Exterior detail in close up view. This is a large image that you can enlarge.
(https://i.imgur.com/TNt3zJT.jpg)
The interior, I want to eat and drink there now...
You can some shots of bits of the interior here in this video at approx 1:27:
Richard III - Scene 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luplp0Vzd38#)
Very bad quality and the colour has been sapped somewhat but it gives an impression.
Phenomenal station, St. Pancras! Is that the original roof of the Barlow Trainshed that is being shown (Pictures 1 and 6 from top to bottom)?
I'm trying to recollect in my brain whether I visited St. Pancras when I was in London as a child, but seriously I doubt it. I would remember it (even if I was about 13).
Same ironwork, new glass, roof thoroughly refurbished. Ironwork rebuilt and repaired, new sections rebuilt to original standards of design, though using modern materials. A mix of traditional materials and new ones applied to exacting standards. The end result is spectacular.
This link will be interesting to you.
https://stpancras.com/history/decay-and-restoration (https://stpancras.com/history/decay-and-restoration)
The interior is equally spectacular - I'll add some soon.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 12, 2018, 07:53:18 PM
Same ironwork, new glass, roof thoroughly refurbished. Ironwork rebuilt and repaired, new sections rebuilt to original standards of design, though using modern materials. A mix of traditional materials and new ones applied to exacting standards. The end result is spectacular.
This link will be interesting to you.
https://stpancras.com/history/decay-and-restoration (https://stpancras.com/history/decay-and-restoration)
The interior is equally spectacular - I'll add some soon.
Thank you for the link. There is something majestic about a large atrium in a public space. I certainly would like to be sitting on one of those tables.
My facination with large atria dates to my childhood. Mexico City is a fabulous place for oddball and cavalier architecture with open spaces, and those pictures reminded me of a small shopping centre I knew from back in the early1980s.
*Disclaimer* The pictures below are not Steamy in any way shape or form. Nor do they show an outstanding building for Mexico City as there are much bigger and better things, commercially speaking. But it does laud the prowess (or madness) of the Mexican architects.
This is a 3-storey shopping mall that was built in the very early 1980s or quite possibly in the very late 1970s (memory fails me and there very little info on the net). But the whole shopping centre had a large atrium with a glass ceiling and was completely open at the bottom - with a view to a dry creek running many storeys below the lower floor. The whole shopping centre was a bridge! And just below the open space you could see two tennis courts at a distance. The tennis players looked so small to me. And it made an impression on me.
Plaza Bosques, Bosques de las Lomas burrow, Mexico City.
The shopping centre itself used to be a bridge over a small canyon/ravine in the early 1980s.
The tennis courts used to be at the level of the street in the background
and there was no road back then, just a dry creek bed.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfhx6gXU0AA0qii.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfh1B7hUEAALkjd.jpg)
As of 2013 I found out (Google Maps) that the dry creek had been filled with buildings and a small road. Apparently, buildings now butress the bottom of the shopping centre, possibly forming office or parking space, so it's no longer so much of a bridge as it used to be. The Google Maps photos make it very difficult for me to see what is going on exactly, but clearly there is some sort of road running along the creek) and from the pictures below I see they've rebuilt the tennis courts ar the top of one of those buildings, so that the tennis courst are now at the lowest level of the shopping mall...
So I'm fascinated every time I see an imposing glass ceiling far above me. Thankfully the Victorians started this thread, I imagine at first by simply spanning two rows of buildings with a glass roof, such as the one at Galeria Umberto in Naples.
Galeria Umberto I, Naples, Italy
Built between 1887 and 1891
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f9/2b/4b/f92b4b2fd77c19f0ed744ad879583329.jpg)
St. Pancras Station Hotel Interior images as promised.
Many of these images are larger than shown below, so a right click and view image on each will show in greater detail.
The grand staircase:
(https://i.imgur.com/1YU27it.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/s3Z1TyI.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/pceg91f.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fayqMnz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ubHN8bi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bMsQ6z0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SpFy4i9.jpg)
As I look at these images I can understand what an impression these might leave on someone who isn't British, you might think our recent Victorian ancestors were ever so slightly crazy.
You might also discern Moorish influences in some of the designs.
St. Pancras lobby
(https://i.imgur.com/sTlPZfS.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/gdk3A2g.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/n9rYCcv.jpg)
A hallway, ladies' smoking rooms
(https://i.imgur.com/6C1tQo8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hf3DbVi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qP38Lnn.jpg)
The Gilbert Scott restaurant at St. Pancras
(https://i.imgur.com/z8MTImS.jpg)
Georges Bar at St. Pancras
Two final images. Another staircase.
(https://i.imgur.com/Uu55r2L.jpg)
The booking hall with original panelling prior to improvement, modernisation and re-use.
(https://i.imgur.com/OVgLVJq.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/eVggzng.jpg)
As it is today:
(https://i.imgur.com/mfo72j3.jpg)
Was that a skylight running the length of it?
Why remove it? Minus points.
The original vaulted roof was destroyed in the first world war by German bombing. 23 people were killed by that bomb. This the original roof.
(https://i.imgur.com/Bcv3YhP.jpg)
The one you saw earlier was the unoriginal replacement, a more simple flat roof structure where the supporting beams were removed. When they rebuilt it recently they put back some of the supporting wood beams but removed the skylight, possibly so that it did not need continuous cleaning? A flat glass section is a point of weakness, ingress of water. Who knows? There may be a proper raised roof structure above now precluding a skylight. When I visit the station in a few weeks I will inspect to see what they have done. The new supporting beams imply that the roof has been raised during the restoration. When the building was repaired, they had to restore some of the original features that were previously removed as well as improving the structure so it will survive another 150 years. A flat roof is a failure point in the UK's wet weather so I expect the roof is now pitched as it was originally and that the roof space is being used for facilities, wiring, pipes, utilities that the original building had no provision for. That is my guess anyway. I will research this particular aspect when I arrive for specific visit to the station.
Here is the bomb damage that was received in the second World War (same country still bombing us twenty or so years later)...
(https://i.imgur.com/TSOZgln.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/POmqvbH.jpg)
This last particular bit of the station is now sadly long gone...
https://vimeo.com/34893175 (http://vimeo.com/34893175)
This is a tour of the station during restoration.
and this is wonderful George (a treasure) giving a superb documentary of St Pancras
https://vimeo.com/38172597 (http://vimeo.com/38172597)
You MUST watch this at least but Lucinda Lambton's earlier programme on the unrestored building is worth watching.
LUCINDA LAMBTON: Midland Grand Hotel; St Pancras Station. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnS5FEY2iOw#)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 13, 2018, 12:42:26 PM
The original vaulted roof was destroyed in the first world war by German bombing. 23 people were killed by that bomb. This the original roof.
(https://i.imgur.com/Bcv3YhP.jpg)
The one you saw earlier was the unoriginal replacement, a more simple flat roof structure where the supporting beams were removed. When they rebuilt it recently they put back some of the supporting wood beams but removed the skylight, possibly so that it did not need continuous cleaning? A flat glass section is a point of weakness, ingress of water. Who knows? There may be a proper raised roof structure above now precluding a skylight. When I visit the station in a few weeks I will inspect to see what they have done. The new supporting beams imply that the roof has been raised during the restoration. When the building was repaired, they had to restore some of the original features that were previously removed as well as improving the structure so it will survive another 150 years. A flat roof is a failure point in the UK's wet weather so I expect the roof is now pitched as it was originally and that the roof space is being used for facilities, wiring, pipes, utilities that the original building had no provision for. That is my guess anyway. I will research this particular aspect when I arrive for specific visit to the station.
Here is the bomb damage that was received in the second World War (same country still bombing us twenty or so years later)...
(https://i.imgur.com/TSOZgln.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/POmqvbH.jpg)
This last particular bit of the station is now sadly long gone...
https://vimeo.com/34893175 (http://vimeo.com/34893175)
This is a tour of the station during restoration.
and this is wonderful George (a treasure) giving a superb documentary of St Pancras
https://vimeo.com/38172597 (http://vimeo.com/38172597)
You MUST watch this at least but Lucinda Lambton's earlier programme on the unrestored building is worth watching.
LUCINDA LAMBTON: Midland Grand Hotel; St Pancras Station. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnS5FEY2iOw#)
Aha! Now I see why I wouldn't have been to that building when I was in London so many years ago... 600+ rooms originally?
Wow. So impressive. It is a mixed of styles, but the Gothic revival dominates.
And to think that the [Midland Grand] hotel (and station too?) was almost demolished is... unthinkable. Criminal, even. In today's money £600 million is an extravagant sum of money to have spent. They certainly pulled all the stops by putting the hotel right at the St. Pancras station.
St. Pancras is definitely a stop in my bucket list, should I be so lucky to go back to the UK.
Great documentaries, all of them. If I may be so bold, due to the purpose of the building as well as its technical significance in the age of steam, I propose we declare St. Pancras and Grand Midland Hotelin London, to be the Steamiest building on this thread.
Perhaps it is time to start planning a Steampunk Global Tour? For those of us closer to the natural end of our lifespan, there must be an appropriate bucket list.
I'll take you on that tour, I have a few places that you would love. Pay me for my time and I'll take a group to the most steampunky places in London.
More Architecture in Northern Mexico
Stemming from the rise of the mining industry, there are a number of Northwestern regions which attracted European immigrants after the Mexican Independence. Naturally, the architecture of these states and cities reflect that background.
Such is the case of the high altitude desert City of Durango (a/k/a Victoria de Durango) in the State of Durango in North Central Mexico. The City of Durango was established early in 1563 by the Spanish-Basque explorer Francisco de Ibarra. Ibarra searched for silver in the desert highlands of Northwestern New Spain, which were name Nueva Viscaya in deference to the Basque region of Biscay in Europe. The province of Nueva Viscaya eventually became the two Mexican states of Chihuahua and Durango.
Spanish Explorer Francisco de Ibarra (1539-1575)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Francisco_de_Ibarra.jpg)
But instead of precious silver, Ibarra and other explorers found large scale iron deposits. The Spanish thereafter sought to employ the local natives and Spanish immigrants in the iron mines, in an effort to build up the Spanish speaking population in what otherwise was a sparsely populated region.
Downtown Durango City, State of Durango, Mexico
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfw5W7yVQAAVOnX.jpg)
Victoria de Durango with a desert background.
This is very much the Mexican equivalent of the American "Wild West."
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/Panoramica_plaza_de_armas_Durango.jpg/800px-Panoramica_plaza_de_armas_Durango.jpg)
Temple of The Sacred Heart, City of Durango, State of Durango, Mexico
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfw1Na_U0AAJJWu.jpg)
After Mexican Independence in 1821, iron ore mining attracted non Spanish enrepreneurs from Europe and even other places like the Middle East and Asia. Naturally iron ore would be a more relevant commodity as the Industrial age rolled into Mexico.
Mansion of Francisco Gomez Palacio,
Governor of the State of Durango, Mexico during 1880-1883.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfw3SpDUYAAfQEa.jpg)
Old Train Station, City of Durango, State of Durango, Mexico
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfwz534UYAAdxaM.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfw1rbvVQAAG8-4.jpg)
Also religious Plaudietsch (Low-German) groups of immigrants known as Mennonites, moved into the desertic Durango and Chihuahua States, escaping persecution, and settled secluded colonies in the area. It is estimated some 100 000 Mennonites live today in the States of Chihuahua and Durango, and some 10 000 of those Mennonites chose to live in the City of Durango.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mennonites_in_Mexico
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mennonites
Mexican Mennonite Girl in the City of Cuauhtémoc,
State of Chihuahua, Mexico
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Ni%C3%B1a_menonita_en_Cuauht%C3%A9moc.jpg/400px-Ni%C3%B1a_menonita_en_Cuauht%C3%A9moc.jpg)
QuoteThe [Mennonite] community of Chihuahua separates themselves into "conservative" and "liberal", with the liberal faction accounting for 20% of the population. This group is more open to outsiders and as such, more likely to marry outside of the community than their conservative peers. It is also more common for this group to adopt Tarahumara and Mestizo children. These children grow up as any other Mennonite would, learning German in school and helping out in the community.
In 1921 it was estimated that about 30 percent of the population were European immigrants, with the rest being predominantly Mestizo Mexicans and a low percentage points of Asian migrants. Today about 50% of the population claim predominantly European ancestry, mostly from the Basques regions, followed by other non-Spanish Europeans.
Ricardo Castro Theatre, City of Durango, Mexico
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfw45olUcAA31Us.jpg)
Bancomer (Mercantile Bank) Building
City of Durango, State of Durango, Mexico
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfw7endU0AA3HBe.jpg)
Lovely images - get the crime rate down in Mexico and we'll come to visit, I'd truly love to do an architectural tour. Not until those crime rates decrease though. I come from a country where I feel generally very safe and I need to know the same when I visit with my family.
Following on from St. Pancras, the 'other' Kings Cross.
Not so gothic but still rather nice.
(https://i.imgur.com/Ortp9Qq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0Ho0x3S.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ItXVZE7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/wHbF4ss.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/utxdgcF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bWAjJo3.jpg)
The station used to boast this later Victorian bridge but since electrification required raising of the whole structure in addition to new accessibility legislation (lifts &c) it was replaced with an elevated glass walkway and modern elevators. However, the bridge was removed, restored and reinstalled on a preservation railway elsewhere in Hampshire so it isn't lost.
(https://i.imgur.com/mW5N2Mx.jpg)
Note the clock has been reinstalled and vistas of the original structure have been restored.
(https://i.imgur.com/EGtRSJw.jpg)
Platform 9 and 3/4 is near here somewhere, this is platform 9.
(https://i.imgur.com/CJu8PTe.jpg)
One of the goods sheds is being used for the most steampunky supermarket you will probably come across. Waitrose is an upper-class supermarket chain here in the UK.
(https://i.imgur.com/7e1KCC6.jpg)
The Hogwarts train as used in the film at Kings Cross station
These are the recent additions:
(https://i.imgur.com/MRvvakO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Gg0Mnlj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/yHhhMoy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/RnmpXrh.jpg)
Whether you like these modern additions or not they have been made to fit between the existing structures even following the lines of the original buildings. The area was once just a space between the two stations, it now neatly connects them.
...and some stylistic posters to set you off on your journey:
(https://i.imgur.com/bz8SEpq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/M8XzzdC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/qxYlGHJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OWjNHUi.jpg)
You can still take real steam tours on the Flying Scotsman from Kings Cross station.
(https://i.imgur.com/Sq1zTal.jpg)
That's the two Kings Cross stations done!
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 16, 2018, 09:58:20 AM
Lovely images - get the crime rate down in Mexico and we'll come to visit.
*snip*
What do I look like, the police? ::) ;D
To be honest *right now* you could safely visit any large city in Central Mexico and any resort town along the coast quite safely with family even. Thousands upon thousands of American tourists with children and retirees come to Mexico every year for recreation, drug problems or not. Many other choose emmigrate to Mexico, and they keep coming every year*. Somehow, these people seem to be doing fine...
I'm not so sure about Durango (never been there), and definitely not Chihuahua / Sonora next to the border. Those states are the most dangerous. But all things being equal, it greatly depends on what you're doing as well.
Foreign families with children don't tend to hang around in the northern deserts of Mexico. Cities like Tijuana are known for being young adult/party town destinations - not suitable for children by default. If you are not coming down to party and engage in recreational drugs or buy/trade drugs it is unlikely you'll find any trouble. Those who did get in deadly trouble were Americans traveling by ground, not in tourist destinations, and often travelling solo along the northern desert states close to the border, often in the middle of nowhere, which is the most likely place where trouble will find you.
If you can understand that *where* you go in Mexico is just as critical as *what* your purpose for your journey is, then you should be fine.
*Some statistics
The majority of American expats, about 1 million Americans, by one estimate, live in Mexico, and most of those live in Guadalajara, which is the largest number of Americans living anywhere in the world outside of the United States. Of dual-citizen American/Mexicans it is estimated as many as 600,000 children were born in the US. From 2014 to 2016, 23,613 Americans received permanent residency, with a total of 72,140 Americans receiving temporary or permanent residency permits. In contrast it is estimated there are 3,761 British expatriates living in Mexico as of 2009
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 16, 2018, 09:58:20 AM
*snip*
Following on from St. Pancras, the 'other' Kings Cross.
Not so gothic but still rather nice.
*snip*
The station used to boast this later Victorian bridge but since electrification required raising of the whole structure in addition to new accessibility legislation (lifts &c) it was replaced with an elevated glass walkway and modern elevators. However, the bridge was removed, restored and reinstalled on a preservation railway elsewhere in Hampshire so it isn't lost.
*snip*
Note the clock has been reinstalled and vistas of the original structure have been restored.
*snip*
Platform 9 and 3/4 is near here somewhere, this is platform 9.
*snip*
One of the goods sheds is being used for the most steampunky supermarket you will probably come across. Waitrose is an upper-class supermarket chain here in the UK.
(https://i.imgur.com/7e1KCC6.jpg)
The Hogwarts train as used in the film at Kings Cross station
These are the recent additions:
*snip*
Whether you like these modern additions or not they have been made to fit between the existing structures even following the lines of the original buildings. The area was once just a space between the two stations, it now neatly connects them.
...and some stylistic posters to set you off on your journey:
*snip*
You can still take real steam tours on the Flying Scotsman from Kings Cross station.
(https://i.imgur.com/Sq1zTal.jpg)
That's the two Kings Cross stations done!
Quite lovely (the brick buildings, that is), but as you predicted, my issue would be with the additions. While practical - and I'm sure the engineering of the space frame structure is phenomenal - not matter how well they fit the existing structures, the space-agey, all in white style just plain clashes with the traditional clay brickwork, in my opinion.
Normally I do like contemporary architecture. I am a bit of a fan of space age giant superstrcutures, actually - but contemporary architecture lives in its own time and it needs its own space, separate from traditional architecture. Mexico City is a place where ultra modern brutalism shares city space with Baroque and Neo-Classical architecture, but the styles are never thrown together into the same mixing bowl.
The new Palacio de Hierro department store,
Polanco Burrough, Mexico City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df0ytnXUYAASa1j.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Outside_store.jpg)
The old Palacio de Hierro Department Store
Historic Centre, Mexico City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df0z8-aUcAA6D-N.jpg)
It's the same with food. Mexico City residents eat American Pizza and Hamburgers just like Americans do. And if they sit down to eat Mexican, you will see the tortillas, and the chicken with mole but they never mix the mole with the Mac Donalds fries or the Kentucky Fried Chicken. Each style of food has a separate place, and point in time in the universe.
At the Kings Cross station, it looks like a giant spider came in and decided to lay a web over the buildings, and then the metropolitan authorities chased the spider away and took over turning it into a rail station...
My guess is that architecturally they could have chosen a different style. Modern, even, but the white structure doesn't seem to fit.
Bear in mind that the white space-age extension provides accommodation for the station that was previously provided by a mass of 'temporary' sheds and shacks that completely obscured the original facade. The front of Kings Cross station today is a sight that was impossible to view for well over a century, and is possible now only because of that extension.
Back in the 1960s the solution to the problem was to bulldoze the lot and replace with lots and lots of reinforced concrete- see Euston for details.
...and if you think of it solely as a canopy then I suppose it works, covering an area to keep out the elements. Modern construction requires modern materials and it could have been made with iron girders, rivetted and braced as per the original train shed but at least the canopy addition is separate and external to the original structure. In any case which station would you have taken station a stylistic hint from? the Gothic or the Classical? In the end it needed to be either an amalgam of the two (which I would have preferred) or something completely new. They chose the new and I think it works from above but less so internally. Remember cost is an issue. These are investments by private companies and not government schemes with unlimited cash. Britain is strongly capitalist these days and people will accept less decorative structures, that is the current style, blame those that designed the technology for the ipad generation.
As Mr. Harrison said, the sheds that sat in front of the station needed to be relocated and the side space was a useful place for them to restore the original station vistas.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on June 16, 2018, 03:57:16 PM
What do I look like, the police? ::) ;D
I thought you were the Kaiser...
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 16, 2018, 07:31:48 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on June 16, 2018, 03:57:16 PM
What do I look like, the police? ::) ;D
I thought you were the Kaiser...
Nein, nein!! Holy Sarsaparilla Uncle Bert, you still don't know who I am! Not the Kaiser, Wilhelm II !
Kaiser Wilhelm II was a petulant Prussian kid with far too much power and far too small a brain, compared to Admiral Wilhelm!
~ ~ ~
A brief biography of Johannes Wilhelm:
Johannes Wilhelm is a German-speaking Bavarian immigrant to the Texas Republic, who came as a child with his family before Texas joined the United States, circa 1846.
J. Wilhelm trained as a young lad at West Point Academy prior to the War of Secession in the United States. He would be contemporary to the likes of then-Cadet George Armstrong Custer, and when the War of Secession came, he, like Custer joined the Union Army, right out of the academy.
The American Civil War expanded to the First Global War, when the French and Mexican forces were invited to intervene on behalf of the Confederate States, in exchange for returning the American Southwest to the Mexican Empire headed by the former Prince Maximilian of Austria. Austrian aerial forces then would join the Confederate Axis against the better judgement of Maximilian's brother, Emperor Franz Joseph.
Fearing the loss of the cotton market to the French, the British would reverse financial support for the Confederate States, and join the American Union side, along with the Prussian Army as the new Alliance against the Axis.
While the flamboyant George Custer would attain the rank of Lieutenant Colonel in the Army (and the honorary rank of Brevet General) , his contemporary, Johannes Wilhelm would attain the rank of Captain of the Airship Command by the break of the Franco-American Aerial Battle over the Sonoran Desert.
During the battle of Sonora, Captain Wilhelm would capture the CSAS
Alamo, neé K.u.K. (Kaiserliche und Königliche)
Die Walküre, which was the most advanced high altitude airship of the time, and along with it, Wilhelm captured a crew of Austrian Luftschiffengel (Airship Angels), including the future US Airship Corps of Engineers Lt. General Julin Wodinaz Bahlmann, who is my other persona.
As a result of his role in the Franco American Aerial Battle, the Texas-German Johannes Wilhelm became a war hero, and would eventually rise to the rank of Admiral of the United States Airship Command (equivalent to 4 star General in the US Army).
During the war, Captain Wilhelm, being a Catholic Bavarian would recognize the special status of the Luftschiffengel as a persecuted group of
Engelfolk, a Southern Germanic ancient tribe of Elf-like "Third-Gender" creatures, originally known as
Alfar in antiquity. In Greater Germany, the Alfar were traditionally feared and revered as magical creatures by the Pagan German tribes during the early Christian period of the Roman Empire. The Roman Church regarded the special condition of the Alfar to be a consequence of an "anomaly" during the Genesis of Mankind.
Modern Scholars, such as workers at Miskatonic University debate whether the status afforded to the Alfar by the Roman Church coud be in some way related to the Jewish myth of Lilith, the first wife of Adam, according to the Mediaeval Jewish Text,
Alphabet of Sirach. According to the ancient text, Lilith, being made from the same dirt as Adam refuses to become subservient to Adam, and then leaves the Garden of Eden eventually mating with Archangel Samael. Thus the Alfar were regarded as closely related to the descendants of Adam and Eve, but not humans.
Renamed as "Angel People" or Engelfolk by the German adherents to the Roman Church, they became a protected group, under condition of 1. Piety, 2. Celibacy with the exception of purely reproductive purposes, and 3. Strict and severe isolation away from "conventional" humans. Along with the Marcomanni tribe, the Engelfolk were the only ancient Germans to adopt the Roman Catholic faith, as most other Germans either continued their Pagan faith, or turned to the alternative Christian Arianism during the 4th C. AD. The next group of Germans to become Roman Catholic would be the Visigothic kingdoms in Spain.
In modern times, the Engelfolk were under persecution by Protestant German states. A Diaspora ensued, and the Engelfolk migrated to Austria, usually joining military ranks as a way of self isolation and protection. Their industry and work ethic would be highly appreciated among the Airship commanders of the Southern German states. And so began the story of the Luftschiffengel.
Upon intervention from then Captain Wilhelm, President Abraham Lincoln offered amnesty to the Luftschiffengel under condition of loyalty and service aboard the Austrian made airships now repurposed for the US Airship Command, a branch of the US Army. Immigration and allegiance to the United States would be mandatory in exchange for Amnesty. The alternative would be Union internment camps and possibly being turned over to the the Prussian Army, should the Prussian win the war against Austria. The former option could result in death by illness or starvation, and the latter option meant certain death at the hand of the pro Protestant forces of Chancellor Otto von Bismark.
After the war, Wilhelm and Bahlmann would become fast friends and often work together aboard the former CSAA Alamo, now rechristened the United States Airship Orca. During the Interbellum Period the USAS Orca would be used as a Forward Tactical Command for US Forces and a flying Science Ship prior to WWI.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 16, 2018, 07:28:23 PM
...and if you think of it solely as a canopy then I suppose it works, covering an area to keep out the elements. Modern construction requires modern materials and it could have been made with iron girders, rivetted and braced as per the original train shed but at least the canopy addition is separate and external to the original structure. In any case which station would you have taken station a stylistic hint from? the Gothic or the Classical? In the end it needed to be either an amalgam of the two (which I would have preferred) or something completely new. They chose the new and I think it works from above but less so internally. Remember cost is an issue. These are investments by private companies and not government schemes with unlimited cash. Britain is strongly capitalist these days and people will accept less decorative structures, that is the current style, blame those that designed the technology for the ipad generation.
As Mr. Harrison said, the sheds that sat in front of the station needed to be relocated and the side space was a useful place for them to restore the original station vistas.
And in why must you you mix Gothic Revival and Neo Classical? There is no rule that says that you must reproduce Victorian Era building techniques and style faithfully (or perhaps this being the Old World you have style restrictions). As Uncle Bert wrote, you can do neither style if you want to, which is preferable cost wise. It's not that hard to do. My point being that with a small effort you can make a structure that doesn't clash so much with the original architecture. While in America we tend not to have traditional Victorian architecture, oddly enough, many of our modern structures and even residences tend to have a very conservative style that harkens back to the older times. Americans are very conservative, architecturally speaking.
For example look at the Winter Garden Atrium in New York:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_Garden_Atrium
Winter Garden Atrium, Manhattan, New York (1988, remodeled 2002)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df4SA_UUYAAgKSz?format=jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df4SGzcUEAAclYO?format=jpg)
No, you misunderstand. I said that you might have to choose between the two styles if you wanted to make it compatible with either one or the other.
The St. Pancras station being vertical gothic and Kings Cross being classical.
So, being sited between the two stations neither would benefit from the new build being sympathetic to one or the other, a choice has to be made and so it cannot be gothic or classical. That is my point.
As a result it has to be a new style and as there is a style of the day (now) then the choice has been made to reflect the architecture of the moment but keep it separate from the two stations so they are unaffected materially by the new addition. It could be demolished in the future without damaging either of the original stations.
I'm not saying I like it. I just understand their decision and why they made it. I would have preferred another Victorian extravaganza but that would cost a lot of money and it is a private venture and not a state enterprise with limitless cash.
PS. If I remember rightly, your original moniker was the Kaiser....
Isn't there a school of thought which says that if there is to be an modern addition to a period building it should be made distinctly different from the aforementioned building so that the original parts could be easily distinguished? Anyway, whichever side of that debate you are on please do keep posting up the piccys of these lovely buildings - I'm really enjoying looking through them. And looking through I realise I really would like the St Pancreas hotel as my humble abode...
Yours,
Miranda.
Quote from: Miranda.T on June 17, 2018, 02:21:53 PM
Isn't there a school of thought which says that if there is to be an modern addition to a period building it should be made distinctly different from the aforementioned building so that the original parts could be easily distinguished?
Yours,
Miranda.
That's what is generally accepted to be best practice when dealing with historically significant buildings. Historic England advise that that is what they feel comfortable with and it is a guiding tenet of the SPAB.
Quote from: James Harrison on June 17, 2018, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: Miranda.T on June 17, 2018, 02:21:53 PM
Isn't there a school of thought which says that if there is to be an modern addition to a period building it should be made distinctly different from the aforementioned building so that the original parts could be easily distinguished?
Yours,
Miranda.
That's what is generally accepted to be best practice when dealing with historically significant buildings. Historic England advise that that is what they feel comfortable with and it is a guiding tenet of the SPAB.
But then you just answered my query. There are some conventions if not rules regarding historical buildings on the UK. That is at this point a British cultural imperative, not a Mexican or an American choice, for example.
I still would at least try to match the colours a bit better. I don't see the point of making it snow white, perhaps intended to be a "picture frame" of sorts to contrast with the historical architecture. I get it. But it's very cold and sterile, like a perfectly white art gallery filled with tiny colourful paintings.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 17, 2018, 11:48:25 AM
No, you misunderstand. I said that you might have to choose between the two styles if you wanted to make it compatible with either one or the other.
The St. Pancras station being vertical gothic and Kings Cross being classical.
So, being sited between the two stations neither would benefit from the new build being sympathetic to one or the other, a choice has to be made and so it cannot be gothic or classical. That is my point.
As a result it has to be a new style and as there is a style of the day (now) then the choice has been made to reflect the architecture of the moment but keep it separate from the two stations so they are unaffected materially by the new addition. It could be demolished in the future without damaging either of the original stations.
I'm not saying I like it. I just understand their decision and why they made it. I would have preferred another Victorian extravaganza but that would cost a lot of money and it is a private venture and not a state enterprise with limitless cash.
We're not disagreeing entirely, actually. But I differ in that the style doesn't have to be so sterile. My photos of the Winter Garden show the American approach to glass galleries in urban spaces. The colours are far more muted while being modern. Not a single rivet in sight, yet the structure hints of a Victorian glass ceiling.
You will see a plethora of glass towers, atria and pavilions like that in corporate architecture in the United States. We lack the original Victorian architecture, but not all the Victorian aesthetic was lost, and that is reflected in American modern architecture.
Mr. Harrison statements clarify my confusion. The intellectual stance is taken by British conservators that contrast between old and new should be maximised. But I don't like that either. It's too "cold" on my humble opinion.
QuotePS. If I remember rightly, your original moniker was the Kaiser....
Nope. Not rightly. I was never at any point a Kaiser. Until I invented Lt. Gen. Bahlmann my only persona was Admiral Wilhelm...like my Brassgoggles handle since I arrived at BG in 2009. There must have been another BG member named Kaiser before that. If so, I never knew him.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on June 17, 2018, 07:14:35 PM
Mr. Harrison statements clarify my confusion. The intellectual stance is taken by British conservators that contrast between old and new should be maximised. But I don't like that either. It's too "cold" on my humble opinion.
I'm afraid it is even more confusing than that. Outside of the Listing process, the ultimate decision with alterations and additions to historic buildings lies with the local councils. They employ planning departments, and you usually find that in those planning departments is at least one conservation officer. They are then expected to make decisions what is and is not acceptable.... so you see the situation that arises... it relies very heavily on the opinions and say-so of maybe one person. There are so many cases of one conservation officer approving works that another would deny...
At the same time that 'accepted' best practice is to make alterations and additions obvious, we have local authorities producing planning documents that argue for them to ape the historical fashions.... in short a two-tier system. It's an incredibly confusing and at times utterly madcap system.
Indeed. Which means that style could change from site to site.
The situation does arise where buildings are declared either historical buildings or national monuments in America, but it is far less common to to have so many historical buildings in the United States. I'm sure there are restrictions on building modification, but the process will be done at the State level which greatly reduces the differences in opinion.
I was thinking that I should clarify. The "retro" styling in American corporate architecture is less likely to be Victorian and more likely to be Georgian, and I'm sure Mr. Harris has the resources to verify my opinion.
The Federal Architecture style in the United States is deeply Neoclassical for government buildings, but far more Georgian for residential buildings and churches. My impression is that Georgian style percolates into modern glass office buildings in the United States. We are talking about hints of style, and not outright recreation of the details.
About 2/3 of the University Federal Credit Union Plaza
A very large office building in North Central Austin, Texas
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df65b6sVAAA-lTH?format=jpg)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_architecture
Old Town Hall in Salem, Massachusetts (1816)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df68NuOVMAAwXgy?format=jpg)
This luxury accommodation lodge recently caught my eye and imagination. It's in in Akaroa, South Island, New Zealand. Its made from grain silo. Looking on the 'net, there is quite a trend out there for silo style homes and lodges.
There is an interesting vibe to the style. Srwrampunk, dieselpunk or post apocalypse atompunk. The curves and corrugated metal have an appeal
http://www.silostay.kiwi.nz/?doing_wp_cron=1529171630.4100320339202880859375#kad-banner (http://www.silostay.kiwi.nz/?doing_wp_cron=1529171630.4100320339202880859375#kad-banner)
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Love the silo accommodation!
There is a bit of an architectural swing here for using corrugated steel external cladding - more durable than the older style corrugated iron, and in some beautiful colours that reflect the earthy natural colours of the landscape. I quite like them, especially those with flair!
Silos would make excellent mini houses, too.
If you like living in an oven...
Quote from: Miranda.T on June 17, 2018, 02:21:53 PM
*snip*
Anyway, whichever side of that debate you are on please do keep posting up the piccys of these lovely buildings - I'm really enjoying looking through them. And looking through I realise I really would like the St Pancreas hotel as my humble abode...
Yours,
Miranda.
Well then make sure to check out the whole discussion which started about 11 pages ago! Some of the most impressive buildings I posted were at the beginning of the discussion (Page 20 I believe...)
QuoteI really would like the St Pancreas hotel as my humble abode...
St. Pancreas? It takes guts to live there... ;D
In other news Ford Motor Company has announced plans to save Detroit's Michigan Central Station which was nearly condemned...
http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/17/news/companies/ford-michigan-central-station/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/2018/06/17/news/companies/ford-michigan-central-station/index.html)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Central_Station (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Central_Station)
The dilapidated Michigan Central Station (inter-city railway depot)
Pictures show current ruined condition in 2016 (top) and 2010 (bottom)
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Quote from: Hurricane Annie on June 02, 2018, 08:30:23 PM
Quote from: chironex on June 02, 2018, 12:18:41 PM
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I seem to have run out, unless I start posting images of peoples houses.
Its the humble abodes of the human populace that are often the most intriguing. They capture a moment in time. They tell us about living standards, trends and fashions, economic environments, life styles and more.
That is a marvelous cottage of the era. Find us more and post away
That's a church hall.
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Bishops Lodge, Townsville.
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Former St. Brigids Convent, Brisbane.
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St. Brigid's Hostel, Rockhampton.
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https://federation-house.wikispaces.com/appian+way,+burwood (https://federation-house.wikispaces.com/appian+way,+burwood)
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Hamilton, QLD.
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Italian hospital, Ingham.
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Italian graveyard, Ingham.
Not sure I like those concrete? houses at all. We have seaside bungalows like those. Clumsy architecture.
However, the grave houses are an interesting cultural creation, We have houses of the dead, charnel houses, ostiaries and mausoleums but nothing so much like an actual home as those with doors and windows. I've seen something similar before in other cultures but not in Australia. Looks as if a little electric door bell would not be out of character. Fascinating.
Those wood, cast iron and corrugated buildings are so much like our railway architecture in form and style (signal boxes, stations and suchlike) and they are charming. If only modern Australian architecture embraced the form and worked with it more today.
The ornate verandah should become an architectural symbol of the Antipodes.
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Someone decided to transplant a whole row of houses and a church which became a house from Brandon to Townsville.
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The biggest example of Art Deco in the city, the former Townsville General Hospital is being renovated into residential space.
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Travelling up the hill...
I don't know why the pebble-dash is used, but it's authentic to the original design and it's not within our budget to demand it be replaced with more red brick.
(https://imgc.allpostersimages.com/img/print/posters/ken-gillham-queenslander-a-rural-house-near-mackay-queensland-australia_a-G-2655817-4990875.jpg)
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Talk about stuff being crammed together!
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I can see it's theoretically possible that it could be saved, but the first one to call it a fixer-upper gets it!
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Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 18, 2018, 01:21:04 AM
If you like living in an oven...
That's what insulation is for, unclebert! Properly insulated, ventilated, solar powered, etc., wouldn't be to bad at all. One could do a lot worse!
Chironex, tropical architecture has a certain something
Quote from: chironex on June 18, 2018, 02:16:51 PM
I don't know why the pebble-dash is used, but it's authentic to the original design and it's not within our budget to demand it be replaced with more red brick.
On which building? The first?, is that yours?
Some lovely images - You need to give a description to each building or it doesn't count. We need to know where and what &c.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 18, 2018, 12:44:18 PM
Not sure I like those concrete? houses at all. We have seaside bungalows like those. Clumsy architecture.
However, the grave houses are an interesting cultural creation, We have houses of the dead, charnel houses, ostiaries and mausoleums but nothing so much like an actual home as those with doors and windows. I've seen something similar before in other cultures but not in Australia. Looks as if a little electric door bell would not be out of character. Fascinating.
Those wood, cast iron and corrugated buildings are so much like our railway architecture in form and style (signal boxes, stations and suchlike) and they are charming. If only modern Australian architecture embraced the form and worked with it more today.
The ornate verandah should become an architectural symbol of the Antipodes.
The Italian Hospital looks a bit like the 1920's houses of Polanco, just a lot less ornate.
New Orleans is famous for its mausoleums and the like... It's a Latin thing.
I'm sure one of them reads "Read Beetlejuice Three Times."
Quote from: chironex on June 18, 2018, 02:16:51 PM
I don't know why the pebble-dash is used, but it's authentic to the original design and it's not within our budget to demand it be replaced with more red brick.
On which building above?
Pebble dash or rock dash (a/k/a Roughcast) is only used for pavement or for walls of commercial buildings in the USA. When used for buildings it's usually for contemporary styling / brutalist style structures.
It's not used very often in Mexico, but when used it's also for contemporary style contruction and that may go toward residential buildings, as concrete is more commonly used for dwellings. It is often a costly finish compared to other finishes, probably because the construction industry is set up in a different way.
For those of you in the Antipodes, you may want to revisit the first 10-15 pages of this thread, mostly populated with posts by the OP, Mr. Croft. A number of those photos disappeared when Photobucket changed policies and/or the image host account simply expired. If you "quote" one of those posts it may give you a clue where the photo was hosted. For others, you may recognise the names of places, etc. I knpw he did post a very large number of steamy buildings, I presume mostly in Australia...
This thread needs some sort of "Index" so one could browse the photos by region....
I have saved all the images posted to this thread so it can be recreated if necessary. I only started a few weeks back so only those recently posted are saved.
Quote from: chironex on June 18, 2018, 02:16:51 PM
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I can see it's theoretically possible that it could be saved, but the first one to call it a fixer-upper gets it!
Not sure what a fixer-upper is? A builder or decorator I presume?
In any case, it would be easily fixed, it is merely a big shed on stilts. It hasn't sagged yet. Wood construction, lightly trussed roof, all rotten wood planks replaced, some rotten 4x2s replaced, a few new tree trunks to replace any rotted stilts. New paint on that roof. Paint all over would transform it. Saveable as long as it isn't infested by beetles.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 18, 2018, 08:39:52 PM
Quote from: chironex on June 18, 2018, 02:16:51 PM
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I can see it's theoretically possible that it could be saved, but the first one to call it a fixer-upper gets it!
Not sure what a fixer-upper is? A builder or decorator I presume?
In any case, it would be easily fixed, it is merely a big shed on stilts. It hasn't sagged yet. Wood construction, lightly trussed roof, all rotten wood planks replaced, some rotten 4x2s replaced, a few new tree trunks to replace any rotted stilts. New paint on that roof. Paint all over would transform it. Saveable as long as it isn't infested by beetles.
No, no. That roof is gone. To me that looks like a wooden house with an attached shed. I'm not sure how much of that building you can salvage, TBH. The type of weather will be a major deciding factor. The fact that it had to be built on stilts says a lot about the local elements.
Perhaps the elevation is meant to keep the local wildlife away from the interior of the house, but in America, houses on stilts universally mean "flood plane." You see that in the Louisiana Bayous (swamps), and on houses along the beaches of the East and West coasts of America. Wood doesn't tend to last long under those conditions.
"Fixer-Upper" is American slang for a house-to-be-purchased, in slight disrepair, which is also financially feasible to repair. Typically used also in the context of property "Flipping," that is buying a property (residential or not), and improving it with the purpose of reselling it, as opposed to living in it.
Which is not to say that houses (or "sheds" as you call them) can't be expensive. Along the famed Malibu coast just north from Hollywood and Los Angeles, two- and three-storey wooden houses on stilts, as narrow as mews, and packed next to one another like sardines (and often in disrepair) can cost millions of dollars. Not because of the value of the building, but because of the value of the land along that famous stretch of beach.
In Mexico, that would never happen, for all the coasts and beaches are Federal public property up to a certain distance from the shore line. But in the United States, the beach is private property, and you can have the ocean waves lapping under your living room. Somehow I prefer the Mexican way of dealing with beachfront property.
That house plus shed above is not a fixer upper. That is suitable only as the subject of a quaint oil painting and later a structure to be demolished for future use of the land.
Bob Ross - Rustic Barn (Season 3 Episode 11) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJJwrnFhUUg#)
Well, my old corrugated iron roof on my cottage looked like that and after a straight repaint was as good as new.
(https://i.imgur.com/Yoht7Fm.jpg)
Rust is not a problem as it builds up a coating that can protect, it is the rot that sets in that you have to worry about. In any case a 6ft sheet of corrugated iron is only about £15 and probably cheaper in Australasia as it is a well-used building material. You could replace half the roof for £300 here. A few sheets of iron and some nails, job done in a day. Paint and sit back to enjoy the view.
PS. You'll notice that all the wooded houses pictured above are raised above the ground on stilts.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 19, 2018, 12:32:50 AM
Well, my old corrugated iron roof on my cottage looked like that and after a straight repaint was as good as new.
(https://i.imgur.com/Yoht7Fm.jpg)
Rust is not a problem as it builds up a coating that can protect, it is the rot that sets in that you have to worry about. In any case a 6ft sheet of corrugated iron is only about £15 and probably cheaper in Australasia. You could replace half the roof for £300 here. A few sheets of iron and some nails, job done in a day. Paint and sit back to enjoy the view.
Yeah, but you got stone walls there! Not potentially water damaged white wood studs (I won't call them "timber," because it will give you the wrong impression that these are large size darkwood beams as in British timber construction). To me the only solid wood there are the stilt logs. The rest of the frame could be in bad shape.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 19, 2018, 12:32:50 AM
PS. You'll notice that all the wooded houses pictured above are raised above the ground on stilts.
Colloquially, called a "Queenslander" - tropical zone house, built up on stilts to improve airflow and ventilation in northern tropical or subtropical climates.
My house in the south alpine temperate zone is plonked on top of 'stumps' (50cm-75cm above ground level) - not so much to improve airflow etc., but to protect from flooding, as I live on a floodplain - no longer a problem, since they built a stonking great dam up-river!
Some houses in alpine areas are on stilts at the front & stumps at the back to counter the slope. One house I lived in down-river had one 10cm step at the back and 15 steps at the front - I could walk under the front of the house!
But the stilts don't stop the cockroaches, right?
Right, stilts and/or stumps don't stop 'em. Tropical cockroaches are unstoppable and pretty much indestructible - not too bad down here in the cold, and little bush cockroaches often hang around in my wood heap but they don't come inside. The European cockroach, once in a house, is almost impossible to get rid of - best not to have 'em at all. I don't have any in my house, thankfully!
Best thing, don't live in the tropical or sub-tropical zones, and hermetically seal your house if you do!
Quote from: Banfili on June 19, 2018, 02:07:54 AM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 19, 2018, 12:32:50 AM
PS. You'll notice that all the wooded houses pictured above are raised above the ground on stilts.
Colloquially, called a "Queenslander" - tropical zone house, built up on stilts to improve airflow and ventilation in northern tropical or subtropical climates.
My house in the south alpine temperate zone is plonked on top of 'stumps' (50cm-75cm above ground level) - not so much to improve airflow etc., but to protect from flooding, as I live on a floodplain - no longer a problem, since they built a stonking great dam up-river!
Some houses in alpine areas are on stilts at the front & stumps at the back to counter the slope. One house I lived in down-river had one 10cm step at the back and 15 steps at the front - I could walk under the front of the house!
I hadn't heard of that before. I have never heard of it from a cooling perspective. It does makes sense though, but I'm curious who in the Empire made that first observation. Even in the hottest parts of the United States you will not see houses on stilts for the purpose of cooling. We will reach 46 C (115F) temperatures in many habitable locations of the Southwest and 54C (129F) in Death Valley, but no stilts.
Quote from: Banfili on June 19, 2018, 04:28:16 AM
Right, stilts and/or stumps don't stop 'em. Tropical cockroaches are unstoppable and pretty much indestructible - not too bad down here in the cold, and little bush cockroaches often hang around in my wood heap but they don't come inside. The European cockroach, once in a house, is almost impossible to get rid of - best not to have 'em at all. I don't have any in my house, thankfully!
Best thing, don't live in the tropical or sub-tropical zones, and hermetically seal your house if you do!
The European Cockroach being the small one right? We have that one here too. Impossible to clear out on account of their small size. The "American" Cockroach (which I believe actually originates in Africa or some place like that) is HUGE here in Texas. Like Sherman tanks they are. So big, it's actually easy to keep them out of the house :p If they knock, just don't open the door! ;D And they fly too! It's easy to confuse them with the Apache assault helicopters. ;D
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Sorry about the lack of text to provide context, I was side-tracked. A brass cockroach of the indestructible type as found in more Tropical climes?
Back on track, staying with St. Pancras (not the patron saint of stomach upsets).
St. Pancras new church and crypt:
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based upon the ancient Greek Caryatids of Athens:
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Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 19, 2018, 08:32:27 AM
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Sorry about the lack of text to provide context, I was side-tracked. A brass cockroach of the indestructible type as found in more Tropical climes?
Back on track, staying with St. Pancras (not the patron saint of stomach upsets).
St. Pancras new church and crypt:
(https://i.imgur.com/Hv9WUk6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ednL8j4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LqDxgDe.jpg)
based upon the ancient Greek Caryatids of Athens:
(https://i.imgur.com/q2cf0WH.jpg)
Yep. It doesn't get any more Classical than that!
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on June 19, 2018, 05:18:59 AM
I hadn't heard of that before. I have never heard of it from a cooling perspective. It does makes sense though, but I'm curious who in the Empire made that first observation. Even in the hottest parts of the United States you will not see houses on stilts for the purpose of cooling. We will reach 46 C (115F) temperatures in many habitable locations of the Southwest and 54C (129F) in Death Valley, but no stilts.
Apart from the cooling effect, the stilts also provide some safety from flooding, as many early houses were built near or beside rivers - in Wagga Wagga where I grew up, in one whole suburb every house was required to be raised one floor off the ground because it was built on the flood plain of the Murrumbidgee River - the local council/emergency workers got a bit fed up with rescuing people and houses on the flats!
Also, they were built with what was available - not a lot of quarry-able stone, no bricks for quite a while (especially in rural areas), but there were (for a while) lots of trees.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 18, 2018, 07:13:01 PM
Quote from: chironex on June 18, 2018, 02:16:51 PM
I don't know why the pebble-dash is used, but it's authentic to the original design and it's not within our budget to demand it be replaced with more red brick.
On which building? The first?, is that yours?
Some lovely images - You need to give a description to each building or it doesn't count. We need to know where and what &c.
I thought you were typing about the Appian Way houses. I couldn't see any others in the post rendered in concrete in an immediately visible form.
My place was a Queenslander of the "miners cottage" style until the owner decided to hire a blind idiot child to take a load of demolition waste in the '50s or '60s and convert it into quad-units.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on June 19, 2018, 05:29:14 AM
Quote from: Banfili on June 19, 2018, 04:28:16 AM
Right, stilts and/or stumps don't stop 'em. Tropical cockroaches are unstoppable and pretty much indestructible - not too bad down here in the cold, and little bush cockroaches often hang around in my wood heap but they don't come inside. The European cockroach, once in a house, is almost impossible to get rid of - best not to have 'em at all. I don't have any in my house, thankfully!
Best thing, don't live in the tropical or sub-tropical zones, and hermetically seal your house if you do!
The European Cockroach being the small one right? We have that one here too. Impossible to clear out on account of their small size. The "American" Cockroach (which I believe actually originates in Africa or some place like that) is HUGE here in Texas. Like Sherman tanks they are. So big, it's actually easy to keep them out of the house :p If they knock, just don't open the door! ;D And they fly too! It's easy to confuse them with the Apache assault helicopters. ;D
Mortein cans always used to list the American as being the smaller one. Strange that the European cockroaches tend to be the one to terrify European chicks who travel to Australia, make a mess of their hostel room and suddenly find a large brown bug dusting off from under a disturbed object. They are unstoppable, but not because they are indestructible, which isn't even true; doubtless some patrons of the Mad Cow Tavern think they are walking on peanut shells when there are no peanuts available there. More like you can deal with a bug with a short burst from a pulse rifle, but once you have a hive on your planet, there isn't much you can do with a few rifles.
I don't remember the labels of all the structures in my last post, assuming I can even trust them. Some are of the Queensland and Western Australian government houses, some of churches and historic houses in Ipswich. One of these years I shall try Ipswich for a load of historic architecture; there seems to be a lot. Likewise Maryborough.
The others are simply houses in Queensland.
Quote from: chironex on June 20, 2018, 05:09:22 AM
Mortein cans always used to list the American as being the smaller one. Strange that the European cockroaches tend to be the one to terrify European chicks who travel to Australia, make a mess of their hostel room and suddenly find a large brown bug dusting off from under a disturbed object. They are unstoppable, but not because they are indestructible, which isn't even true; doubtless some patrons of the Mad Cow Tavern think they are walking on peanut shells when there are no peanuts available there. More like you can deal with a bug with a short burst from a pulse rifle, but once you have a hive on your planet, there isn't much you can do with a few rifles.
It must be one of those words that have different meaning across the ocean. Over here the large one is the American one with an average size of 4cm. We have them larger here in Texas. Adults in summer being over 5cm.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cockroach
They're called American but they're not American. They're native to Africa, and obviously spread all over the world.
The smaller one black or darker in colour we call German Cockroach at about 1.6 cm, maximum size.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cockroach
My guess is that it's not German either! A third type is listed in Wiki, the "Asian Cockroach" in between those two sizes, and which is probably not Asian either :D
Actually the Asian Cockroach was first discovered in Okinawa, so it is Asian after all ::)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blattella_asahinai
QuoteThe Asian cockroach is nearly identical to the German cockroach (Blattella germanica) except for a few minor morphological differences. Like the German cockroach, it is about 1.6 cm (0.63 in) long, is tan to brown in color, and has wings. However, its wings are longer than the German cockroach, and a difference is seen between a groove in the abdomen between the two species. The quickest way to tell the difference between the two species is that the Asian cockroach is a strong flyer (almost like a moth) and is attracted to light, unlike the German cockroach.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm2.staticflickr.com%2F1825%2F29040782278_e9d67d857b_b.jpg&hash=e71feeffd6687542402ca498e9c08fb5307c93a4)
My brother once rented this house. The kitchen cupboards cover an old hatch in the side of the house for firewood to be fed into the kitchen from outside. It's such a hopeless scramble of modifications now, you'd never know how old it was.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm2.staticflickr.com%2F1784%2F29040787418_49a7de33d0_b.jpg&hash=cda0828617f802ca57a023337f8d8d68c09871da)
That's the shed.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/05/3e/8b/053e8b116152d9f829f96b6000483b11.jpg)
Also a shed. I believe it is in England.
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/EKF1YP/old-ornate-brick-garden-tool-shed-tower-easton-walled-gardens-grantham-EKF1YP.jpg)
Easton walled gardens, Grantham, Lincolnshire. Partially a folly, as it is made into a tower - but is, in fact, a shed.
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7157/6642889609_ca3681cf47_b.jpg)
Dorset.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6c/bf/29/6cbf29504adf88e712a415e074aca632.jpg)
Thwaite.
Quote from: Banfili on June 20, 2018, 04:12:19 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on June 19, 2018, 05:18:59 AM
I hadn't heard of that before. I have never heard of it from a cooling perspective. It does makes sense though, but I'm curious who in the Empire made that first observation. Even in the hottest parts of the United States you will not see houses on stilts for the purpose of cooling. We will reach 46 C (115F) temperatures in many habitable locations of the Southwest and 54C (129F) in Death Valley, but no stilts.
Apart from the cooling effect, the stilts also provide some safety from flooding, as many early houses were built near or beside rivers - in Wagga Wagga where I grew up, in one whole suburb every house was required to be raised one floor off the ground because it was built on the flood plain of the Murrumbidgee River - the local council/emergency workers got a bit fed up with rescuing people and houses on the flats!
Also, they were built with what was available - not a lot of quarry-able stone, no bricks for quite a while (especially in rural areas), but there were (for a while) lots of trees.
Mostly that is now filled with sheet between them in order to create an eclosed ground floor, be it as a substitute garage/shed or actually as living space. And they whine that they get stuff lost in floods...
Since the devlopment of domestic air-conditioning and he discovery of mosquito-borne diseases, many verandahs have been filled in such a manner with material that may not suit the rest, ie. bare fibro covering the space when the rest of the house is clapboard.
There is a mix around here of those houses on stilts and stumps, many of the stumped ones are often made into businesses - not just a home-based business, but the whole house being used for the business premises and not residential. Some stilt houses can be, trust me I've had to deliver colour copiers up their back steps. But it is more common among stump houses, which can be architects' offices, consultants of all kinds, and various specialist health clinics.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on June 20, 2018, 06:52:46 AM
Quote from: chironex on June 20, 2018, 05:09:22 AM
Mortein cans always used to list the American as being the smaller one. Strange that the European cockroaches tend to be the one to terrify European chicks who travel to Australia, make a mess of their hostel room and suddenly find a large brown bug dusting off from under a disturbed object. They are unstoppable, but not because they are indestructible, which isn't even true; doubtless some patrons of the Mad Cow Tavern think they are walking on peanut shells when there are no peanuts available there. More like you can deal with a bug with a short burst from a pulse rifle, but once you have a hive on your planet, there isn't much you can do with a few rifles.
It must be one of those words that have different meaning across the ocean. Over here the large one is the American one with an average size of 4cm. We have them larger here in Texas. Adults in summer being over 5cm.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cockroach
They're called American but they're not American. They're native to Africa, and obviously spread all over the world.
The smaller one black or darker in colour we call German Cockroach at about 1.6 cm, maximum size.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_cockroach
My guess is that it's not German either! A third type is listed in Wiki, the "Asian Cockroach" in between those two sizes, and which is probably not Asian either :D
Actually the Asian Cockroach was first discovered in Okinawa, so it is Asian after all ::)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blattella_asahinai
QuoteThe Asian cockroach is nearly identical to the German cockroach (Blattella germanica) except for a few minor morphological differences. Like the German cockroach, it is about 1.6 cm (0.63 in) long, is tan to brown in color, and has wings. However, its wings are longer than the German cockroach, and a difference is seen between a groove in the abdomen between the two species. The quickest way to tell the difference between the two species is that the Asian cockroach is a strong flyer (almost like a moth) and is attracted to light, unlike the German cockroach.
Maybe the can was wrong? Or I cannot remember? It was the '80s...
Next time I go to this place I must get a view of the front of the building:
(https://img00.deviantart.net/f2e5/i/2016/338/0/b/portable_radar_unit_by_thoughtengine-daqlowh.jpg)
Old gatehouse, RAAF Garbutt, now the centre of the museum.
(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/distinctive-kangaroo-sculptures-ornament-a-victorian-lamp-post-in-of-picture-id98778922)
Lamp post in front of Royal Exhibition Hall in Melbourne.
(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/princess-theatre-and-victorian-lamp-post-melbourne-victoria-australia-picture-id128082278)
Princess Theatre, Melbourne.
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/ADA2DP/victorian-lamp-post-llandudno-pier-north-wales-ADA2DP.jpg)
Llandudno Pier North Wales.
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/APR5PT/old-style-victorian-wrought-iron-street-lights-on-queens-bridge-belfast-APR5PT.jpg)
Queens Bridge, Belfast, Ireland.
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/C059GT/silhouttes-of-street-lights-on-the-embankment-of-the-river-thames-C059GT.jpg)
Along the Thames...
(https://dobraszczyk.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/31.jpg)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmoziru.com%2Fimages%2Fdrawn-lamps-victorian-18.jpg&hash=607bf89fb8e7cb69c2730b6048f57a00bd742ae0)
Those sheds were rather nice. We tend not to build sheds from brick these days. Planning rules here describe non-permanent buildings as being made of Wood and being moveable. Use of brick and foundations gives them a permanence that belies their transient nature and they therefore become subject to planning rules. In a conservation area such as ours it makes sense now to build garden structure entirely in wood so we generally see sheds being wood construction of some sort.
Those lamp images, lovely though they are. Please try to find those that do not come from an image provider so that we don't have to see Alamy or Getty images. It should be possible, it just takes a little more work.
This link will provide you with a goodly number of thameside lamps:
https://www.google.com/search?biw=958&bih=659&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=7xQtW9vIN83jkgX8mZUY&q=house+of+parliament+iron++lamps&oq=house+of+parliament+iron++lamps&gs_l=img.3...19644.20535.0.21071.5.5.0.0.0.0.122.499.3j2.5.0....0...1c.1.64.img..1.0.0....0.y8Dc0fJWURA (https://www.google.com/search?biw=958&bih=659&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=7xQtW9vIN83jkgX8mZUY&q=house+of+parliament+iron++lamps&oq=house+of+parliament+iron++lamps&gs_l=img.3...19644.20535.0.21071.5.5.0.0.0.0.122.499.3j2.5.0....0...1c.1.64.img..1.0.0....0.y8Dc0fJWURA)
Back to exceedingly steampunk images, steam from the trains that originally used this station and iron/glass, brass and brick providing the architecture that completes the combination.
Stirling Station:
(https://i.imgur.com/yX5sOjy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Hjthz3L.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OkLGrTK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YoUKOaY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fUFno4A.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SXBmxKF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/afUMGx7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZR91VrE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1bncV0S.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zVNCVps.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IEhHItT.jpg)
No need to explain where this is:
(https://i.imgur.com/n8QuGFV.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Q2k2N3R.jpg)
Many of our stations are so incredibly steampunk... just as you would expect.
Tynemouth Station:
(https://i.imgur.com/OwlfnSO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/alNRR8y.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/dL1FyGt.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Molnp3y.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/uQmuOZC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/g8nK4ai.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4qJ4Qlk.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/olkEqnL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6DlSpD0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HRF4eqo.jpg)
Something Mexican...
(https://i.imgur.com/n0L2CwB.jpg)
Matices Hotel de Barricas, Tequila
(https://i.imgur.com/mWJmjZF.jpg)
It looks like a hobbit trailer park.
Big 'Like'!
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 24, 2018, 02:40:45 PM
Something Mexican...
(https://i.imgur.com/n0L2CwB.jpg)
Matices Hotel de Barricas, Tequila
(https://i.imgur.com/mWJmjZF.jpg)
Diogenes went up-market.
Quote from: Fairley B. Strange on June 27, 2018, 11:43:39 AM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 24, 2018, 02:40:45 PM
Something Mexican...
(https://i.imgur.com/n0L2CwB.jpg)
Matices Hotel de Barricas, Tequila
(https://i.imgur.com/mWJmjZF.jpg)
Diogenes went up-market.
You've got me over a barrel on that one.
First of all a sad and sorrowful shell of a building unused for 20 years, the George Public House Birmingham.
(https://i.imgur.com/oS5gssJ.jpg)
Restored and repaired.
(https://i.imgur.com/R64ItOn.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HI4jvvF.jpg)
It is steamy and it comes in pints.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 24, 2018, 02:40:45 PM
Something Mexican...
(https://i.imgur.com/n0L2CwB.jpg)
Matices Hotel de Barricas, Tequila
(https://i.imgur.com/mWJmjZF.jpg)
The first thing that comes to mind is "Gypsy camp" ;D Just put some wheels on those barrels....
Quote from: chironex on June 20, 2018, 03:10:35 PM
*snip*
Lamp post in front of Royal Exhibition Hall in Melbourne.
*snip*
Princess Theatre, Melbourne.
*snip*
Llandudno Pier North Wales.
*snip*
Queens Bridge, Belfast, Ireland.
*snip*
Along the Thames...
*snip*
There is no question that public lighting is by default very steamy. One of the characteristics of the industrial age was the constant progress in the science of lightong, wheter it be gas, lime or electric. We should be searching for more of those examples...
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 22, 2018, 04:29:48 PM
Many of our stations are so incredibly steampunk... just as you would expect.
Tynemouth Station:
*snip*
You know? there is a great number of great glass ceilings out there, not all of the Victorian. I started finding some wonderful greenhouses, bulding atria and others on Pinterest. Sadly many of them are not identifies so I don't know the location or age. They may be new structures for all I know... perhaps some of you will recognise these pictures?
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/31/f8/9c/31f89c2cd11455aeb99093ba70da1a42.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/02/3f/75/023f757b71fcdfcd49dcdf0408eb67e3--the-conservatory-greenhouses.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/fd/6a/6d/fd6a6d6e397e1ed774ad76af38b78f39--stained-glass-window-seats.jpg)
Others are well identified, like the atrium of the well known Bradbury Building in Los Angeles, famous for its role in the original Blade Runner movie of 1981(?)
Bradbury Building, Los Angeles, California, 1893
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/48/07/39/480739b4a38482e63ffd24a81025c45d--building-stairs-building-architecture.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Bradbury_Building%2C_interior%2C_ironwork.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Bradbury_building_Los_Angeles_c2005_01383u_crop.jpg/792px-Bradbury_building_Los_Angeles_c2005_01383u_crop.jpg)
QuoteThe Bradbury Building is an architectural landmark located at 304 South Broadway at West 3rd Street in downtown Los Angeles, California. Built in 1893,[1] the five-story office building is best known for its extraordinary skylit atrium of access walkways, stairs and elevators, and their ornate ironwork. The building was commissioned by Los Angeles gold-mining millionaire Lewis L. Bradbury and constructed by draftsman George Wyman from the original design by Sumner Hunt.[5] It appears in many works of fiction and has been the site of many movie and television shoots and music videos.
I often imagine what it'd be like to work in that building. Wonderful lunch breaks, I'd have...
I think ALL of those are in fact Victorian. The rotunda is from the Royal Greenhouses of Laeken, I've been there when I lived in Brussels, Belgium.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 27, 2018, 09:33:42 PM
I think ALL of those are in fact Victorian. The rotunda is from the Royal Greenhouses of Laeken, I've been there when I lived in Brussels, Belgium.
That is wonderful to know. The picture below that (2nd from top) reminds me of the ceiling at this long-gone restaurant in San Antonio I've mentioned before, "The Crystal Baking Co." It was just plain wondeful to eat between the plants and park benches along the brick walls and under a stained glass canopy. The food was not that good, but in that setting just tasted better ;D
The Soldiers and Sailors Monument at Monument Circle in Indianapolis:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/15/67/07/15670773bfbadbf8edfbfbea29673ae7.jpg)
That's what it looked like when it was new. I don't think that the reflecting pools exist any more.
Not all that steampunk, but here's my favorite part:
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/gs-waymarking-images/8b664d34-904d-4c80-8dc3-2fb9d97aec30_d.jpg)
The monument is flanked by four 40-foot tall bronze lamp posts, with huge ornamental bears.
From the looks of the photos, it most have been the tallest thing in the city, visible for miles. Sadly, this is not longer the case.
It seems I was mistaken about the reflective pools being gone:
(https://thumbnails.trvl-media.com/oE1gaRLS7OH-9piCjvo0gWXKPRo=/768x432/images.trvl-media.com/media/content/shared/images/travelguides/destination/178266/Indianapolis-219453.jpg)
And you can see in the background how the city has changed.
Quote from: RJBowman on June 27, 2018, 10:52:46 PM
It seems I was mistaken about the reflective pools being gone:
*snip*
And you can see in the background how the city has changed.
Yes, monuments from the Victorian Era are very visble. I'm not sure how steamy they are but one can dilucidate the architectural style belongiing to the period. The Neo Classical style will overwhelmingly dominate, though...
Mexico City's "Angel of Independence" / "Monument to Independence" (1910), Paseo de la Reforma [Avenue].
Built during the Porfirio Diaz administration for Mexico's Centennial celebrations, it's obviously very Neo Classical
Fotografia aerea Mexico - Volando sobre el Angel de la Independencia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcCb0u8tAjs#)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_of_Independence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_of_Independence)
The history of the monument is much older than shown in Wiki (see video below), going back to the first ruler of Independent Mexico, Emperor Agustin de Iturbide. Many attempts were made to erect the monument, but war plagued Mexico's first 100 years. The first stone of the actual monument was actually laid by Empress Carlotta during the Maximilian Era. President Porfitio Diaz managed to finally build the monument.
QuoteThe base of the column is quadrangular with each vertex featuring a bronze sculpture symbolizing law, war, justice and peace. Originally there were nine steps leading to the base, but due to the sinking of the ground, an ongoing problem in Mexico City, fourteen more steps were added.
On the main face of the base facing downtown Mexico City, there is an inscription reading La Nación a los Héroes de la Independencia ("The Nation to the Heroes of Independence"). In front of this inscription is a bronze statue of a giant, laureled lion that guides a child, which symbolizes, according to Rivas Mercado, "the Mexican people, strong during War and docile during Peace."[1]
Next to the column there is a group of marble statues of some of the heroes of the War of Independence. The column itself is 36 metres (118 ft) high. The structure is made of steel covered with quarried stone decorated with garlands, palms and rings with the names of Independence figures. Inside the column is a two-hundred step staircase which leads to a viewpoint above the capital. The Corinthian-style capital is adorned by four eagles with extended wings from the Mexican coat of arms used at the time.
Crowning the column there is a 6.7 metres (22 ft) statue by Enrique Alciati of Nike, the Greek goddess of Victory, like other similar victory columns around the world. It is made of bronze, covered with 24k gold (restored in 2006) and weighs seven tons. In her right hand the Angel, as it is commonly known, holds a laurel crown above Miguel Hidalgo's head, symbolizing Victory, while in her left she holds a broken chain, symbolizing Freedom.
Video on the history of the Momument to Independence
In Spanish but it has segments of historical re-enactment from various media including uniforms, plus
original film. Worth watching just for the uniforms - hopefully some history/names are obvious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSNHjmk8tAs# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSNHjmk8tAs#)
Greenhouses!
(https://i.imgur.com/NLMJPPi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MgUJmdR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Doih2JE.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BL5C0Z9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/i5JwbHq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tNyWNey.jpg)
Kew Gardens Temperate House.
The Temperate House interior
(https://i.imgur.com/hO4KyIO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/HhXPKj4.jpg)
Most of these images are much larger than shown here and are really worth a view in full size.
The Palm house is beautiful...
(https://i.imgur.com/dOKAajK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ujmk7Gg.jpg)
Someone German speaking should post the Schonbrunn Palace Palm House. It is steamy within and without.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 27, 2018, 05:11:13 PM
First of all a sad and sorrowful shell of a building unused for 20 years, the George Public House Birmingham.
Restored and repaired.
It is steamy and it comes in pints.
Lovely - I really like that little bow window on the upstairs!
And I do like an architectural greenhouse!
Quote from: Banfili on June 28, 2018, 01:18:06 AM
Lovely - I really like that little bow window on the upstairs!
And I do like an architectural greenhouse!
(https://i.imgur.com/rUa0mW7.jpg)
You'll like this one then. Dublin.
(https://i.imgur.com/sG9cNGC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/66jxwOJ.jpg)
And this one in Belfast...
Yup! Dublin one out at Glasnevin, in the Botanical Gardens. There's a whole row of greenhouse/s - look grand!
You've been there? Like many colonial iron structures I believe they were built in the mainland, on this occasion in Paisley and shipped to Dublin for assembly.
No German speakers then?
If the world had been conquered by the German speaking people's then we might be experiencing more heavy (but very steampunk) structures like the Schonbrunn Palace Palm House in Vienna.
(https://i.imgur.com/N6L8vBl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/U0eZOcb.jpg)
It looks as if the architect was not as confident as those in Britain over the use of iron and glass in such a structure placing the structure on the outside and hanging the glass on the inside. That iron probably requires a lot of painting and a lot of paint! The result is however quite steamy and if I may say so, quite Hapsburg!
Wonderful Victorian tradition, that of botanical studies. I can never get tired of looking at those greenhouses. For colder climes the greenhouse provides a warm environment for the plant, and a bit of respite for man.
Coincidentally I am just stripping and repainting my own greenhouse, quite a lot more modest of course!
(https://i.imgur.com/uKTVI5p.jpg)
Here is one of my own photographs of the greenhouse at Birmingham Botanical Gardens. We (that is, the West Midlands Steampunk Assembly) have an annual picnic there in the Summer.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/918/41260407870_4f56f4b6ab_b.jpg)
There's something rather pleasant and almost artistic about these structures that's more readily grasped when you're inside them, rather than outside.
Here's a different kind of greenhouse; the Butterfly Garden at the Detroit Zoo's Wildlife Interpretive Gallery:
Detroit Zoo Butterfly House (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwvEOJ6Cssg#)
The building is like a conservatory full of plants and butterflies. The temperature and humidity are like the tropics. The butterflies are so dense that they will land on you.
I found a photo of a wedding being held in the butterfly garden:
(https://wwcdn.weddingwire.com/vendor/20001_25000/21403/thumbnails/800x800_1360181274572-SayIDoimage.jpg)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 28, 2018, 05:18:23 PM
Coincidentally I am just stripping and repainting my own greenhouse, quite a lot more modest of course!
(https://i.imgur.com/uKTVI5p.jpg)
It is an excellent purpose built conservatory.
[ Mr Peacock with the lead pipe]
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on June 29, 2018, 07:33:36 AM
It is an excellent purpose built conservatory.
[ Mr Peacock with the lead pipe]
Our house would be quite suited for a game of Cluedo, we have eight people living here and they all have interesting personalities, strangely my real name is Colonel Mustard. Now hold on...
Highgate Holly Village
(https://i.imgur.com/NIQ1kxO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4A5PGaw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TqsI4cH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/atb6NaB.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fWgrgvk.jpg)
Warstone Lane Cemetery Lodge
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 29, 2018, 01:52:10 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on June 29, 2018, 07:33:36 AM
It is an excellent purpose built conservatory.
[ Mr Peacock with the lead pipe]
Our house would be quite suited for a game of Cluedo, we have eight people living here and they all have interesting personalities, strangely my real name is Colonel Mustard. Now hold on...
And brass goggles has a few scarlet women...
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 29, 2018, 02:21:44 PM
Highgate Holly Village
(https://i.imgur.com/NIQ1kxO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4A5PGaw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TqsI4cH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/atb6NaB.jpg)
I have a mystery surrounding my GT GT GT grandfather Hughey and his first property in New Zealand as a colonial out post. There was a land mark on said property, referred to for years after he had moved on, as " Hughey's Follie".
So far the historical societies and papers, have no answers for me. The records from the 1840 are lost in the midst of time.
The clues I have are as follows ; as William Hughey was a stone mason by trade, he could have built a rudimentary stone folly as an ironic joke. He was possessed of a large barn that the community used to over night in during the earth quake storms of the time. He, his older children or wife, neighbours etc could have referred to his house ironically as a " the Folly", being that everyone lived in wood shacks at that formative stage in NZ. A dreadful sense of humour is a family trait.
Or as the property was bordered by a cutting prone to landslip, was this the reason for the name. Or was it a construction, contraption or other that went spectacularly wrong...
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 29, 2018, 02:21:44 PM
Highgate Holly Village
(https://i.imgur.com/NIQ1kxO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4A5PGaw.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/TqsI4cH.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/atb6NaB.jpg)
What a beautiful Neo-Gothic structure. Not that I'm a fan of large ultra expensive homes, but if you close off the gate on the back, and replace with the entrance to a house on the front, that would make an excellent multi million dollar masion in the US. I have never seen Neo-Gothic in the US Southwest for mansions before but that is very pretty. That style and level of workmanship is seldom seen, and was only matched by my grandfather's company 15-20 years ago (we built some pretty impressive homes in French Provencal and Neo baroque styles - about $5 million US for the better homes). I would envision a project like that to be $6 or $7 million today with all the carved mouldings and statues, etc.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 29, 2018, 02:24:55 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/fWgrgvk.jpg)
Warstone Lane Cemetery Lodge
Love this! And the neighbours are pretty quiet!
Quote from: Banfili on June 30, 2018, 01:51:14 AM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 29, 2018, 02:24:55 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/fWgrgvk.jpg)
Warstone Lane Cemetery Lodge
Love this! And the neighbours are pretty quiet!
Not during Samhain, they aren't!
Depending on the location, that 5-6 mil could easily be 10-20mil and considering the amount of custom everything and specialized labor, easy.
The lastest project I have been involved in is close to 30, previous to that was a 7 lot, 3 story, with a "in ground" pool on the roof, in Chicagoland, for close to 50. It may sound impressive, but never under estimate how little the dollar can get nowadays.
It's just a waste really, priced only just because it can be.
And neither look as nice as those above pictures do.
Quote from: Drew P on June 30, 2018, 03:06:56 AM
Depending on the location, that 5-6 mil could easily be 10-20mil and considering the amount of custom everything and specialized labor, easy.
The lastest project I have been involved in is close to 30, previsous to that was a 7 lot, 3 story, with a "in ground" pool on the roof, in Chicagoland, for close to 50. It may sound impressive, but never under estimate how little the dollar can get nowadays.
It's just a waste really, priced only just because it can be.
And neither look as nice as those above pictures do.
We almost participated in a project for an Iranian expatriate who emigrated to Houston decades ago. He was involved in the oil industry and wanted to build a house so large my uncle, the architect, estimated 50 million and that was in 2001. Our contract for the facade alone was 3 million, including all the carved mouldings, walls and columns. We designed the steel substructure to hold the stone separate from the timber frame (I explained this American method pages ago) . He wanted to do it for 1 million. We couldn't match his request.
Built in a downtown swampy area of Houston, the frame had been exposed to the elements for 1 year and mold had begun to accumulate in some of the frame. Architects and contractors routinely quit on the customer (you can imagine why). The style of the house was American Federal (Neo Colonial, and was actually a copy of an Early American /Colonial manor he saw on the East Coast. Later we found out that the original Colonial building was not covered in stone, but covered in Terracota! Naturally stone would be more expensive. The house was right in the flood plain of the last hurricane BTW. I don't know what happened to it.
He probably filled some insurance claim based on the original quotes..........
A new shed from the Antipodes - https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/shed-your-preconceptions-this-old-iron-building-could-be-world-class-20180703-p4zp60.html (https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/shed-your-preconceptions-this-old-iron-building-could-be-world-class-20180703-p4zp60.html)
"A humble North Fitzroy shed is being nominated to join the Sydney Opera House and Melbourne's Royal Exhibition Building on the very short list of World Heritage listed properties in Australia.
After more than 80 years tucked away out of sight (it now sits within a Yarra Council works depot), the 165-year-old J.H. Porter Prefabricated Iron Store in North Fitzroy is standing in the way of a much bigger development.
...
The shed, as unlikely as it might seem to some observers, already has a heritage listing. It was probably manufactured in England in the 1850s but is believed to have been moved to North Fitzroy between 1920 and 1944.
A rare example of many prefabricated iron buildings manufactured in England and imported during the Victorian gold rushes, the shed is believed to be the only one of its kind still standing in Australia."
It is on an old gasworks site.
(https://static.ffx.io/images/$width_1024%2C$height_577/t_crop_auto/t_sharpen%2Cq_auto%2Cf_auto/8e229057995f9f7d1c4067430962b783ea84d2b2)
Opera House, Exhibition Building and this old shed.
Photo: Heritage Victoria
For Australia, if it is that old, it is by default steamy regardless of when it came to Australia, but the fact it came from a gasworks, just adds to it.
Strange how such a prosaic, functional building can be so unloved and forgotten. The sole hint of its provenance and age is the single window. Probably had many new sheets of iron and some replacement bits of wood but like the proverbial old hammer ( a new head and a couple of replacement shafts but it is still the old hammer) it still exists in the same place for a 150 years.
I have seen corrugated iron buildings here demolished as corrugated iron is derided as a low quality building material here in the UK. It is what we might build chicken sheds from but its utility throughout the old empire should make it more loved and appreciated. Even it is demolished it would be very easy to dismantle and rebuild elsewhere. No problem saving it.
(https://i.imgur.com/ccMxVar.jpg)
Liverpool Albert Dock
(https://i.imgur.com/uWnLC3V.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/74EEyU8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9qKi4Q1.jpg)
Yes, that is a sunken ship...
(https://i.imgur.com/6DoZmUC.jpg)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on July 03, 2018, 10:02:34 PM
Strange how such a prosaic, functional building can be so unloved and forgotten. The sole hint of its provenance and age is the single window. Probably had many new sheets of iron and some replacement bits of wood but like the proverbial old hammer ( a new head and a couple of replacement shafts but it is still the old hammer) it still exists in the same place for a 150 years.
I have seen corrugated iron buildings here demolished as corrugated iron is derided as a low quality building material here in the UK. It is what we might build chicken sheds from but its utility throughout the old empire should make it more loved and appreciated. Even it is demolished it would be very easy to dismantle and rebuild elsewhere. No problem saving it.
The thing for me is that the building is aesthetically undistinguishabe from something I might see outside a 20th. C. or even 21st. C. farm or somesuch industrial setting anywhere in rural America. While the building is genuinely Victorian, it is unrecognisably so.
...............................and......said story of the sunken ship?
Crap, it's the main one in the second pic, isn't it? ....damn.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on July 03, 2018, 10:36:54 PM
The thing for me is that the building is aesthetically undistinguishabe from something I might see outside a 20th. C. or even 21st. C. farm or somesuch industrial setting anywhere in rural America. While the building is genuinely Victorian, it is unrecognisably so.
That's the thing about innovation and new materials, they are utterly exciting and special at first and when they became mundane and boring you can forget them entirely. The 'shed' is a temporary building using temporary mass-produced materials from a time when the concept and the materials were new and unique.
The original V&A museum was housed in an iron framed and corrugated iron clad building. It was moved to the present site at the turn of the last century and the old frame was moved to a new location where it still exists, housing the museum of childhood.
Becoming known as the Brompton Boilers:
Originally looked like this on the Mall.
(https://i.imgur.com/uHRAO74.jpg)
Opened by the Queen.
(https://i.imgur.com/ms4Fwgi.jpg)
In later, not so splendiferous times.
(https://i.imgur.com/iyMpjM2.jpg)
Today, given a brick-built frontage and a lick of paint:
(https://i.imgur.com/OiKdueg.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZNvOX6A.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/iOPEnAb.jpg)
Quote from: Drew P on July 04, 2018, 03:39:30 AM
...and...said story of the sunken ship?
Corrected to three dots...
It wasn't that ship it was the Zebu, now refloated.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/historic-liverpool-tall-ship-zebu-10252940 (https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/historic-liverpool-tall-ship-zebu-10252940)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on July 04, 2018, 08:44:40 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on July 03, 2018, 10:36:54 PM
The thing for me is that the building is aesthetically undistinguishabe from something I might see outside a 20th. C. or even 21st. C. farm or somesuch industrial setting anywhere in rural America. While the building is genuinely Victorian, it is unrecognisably so.
That's the thing about innovation and new materials, they are utterly exciting and special at first and when they became mundane and boring you can forget them entirely. The 'shed' is a temporary building using temporary mass-produced materials from a time when the concept and the materials were new and unique.
The original V&A museum was housed in an iron framed and corrugated iron clad building. It was moved to the present site at the turn of the last century and the old frame was moved to a new location where it still exists, housing the museum of childhood.
Becoming known as the Brompton Boilers:
Originally looked like this on the Mall.
(https://i.imgur.com/uHRAO74.jpg)
Opened by the Queen.
(https://i.imgur.com/ms4Fwgi.jpg)
In later, not so splendiferous times.
(https://i.imgur.com/iyMpjM2.jpg)
Today, given a brick-built frontage and a lick of paint:
(https://i.imgur.com/OiKdueg.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZNvOX6A.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/iOPEnAb.jpg)
That building is a beautiful shape. It is s particularly aesthetic curve
Yeah, it was that one ship, good thing efforts are going forth!
It is the Zebu.
Sorry about the messy link below:
https://www.google.com/search?biw=1031&bih=629&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=A2o_W9nGEeHKgAaQ4o6QCg&q=the+zebu+ship&oq=the+zebu+ship&gs_l=img.3...0.0.0.91040.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c..64.img..0.0.0....0._h-ZQsSI0n0 (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1031&bih=629&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=A2o_W9nGEeHKgAaQ4o6QCg&q=the+zebu+ship&oq=the+zebu+ship&gs_l=img.3...0.0.0.91040.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c..64.img..0.0.0....0._h-ZQsSI0n0)
(https://i.imgur.com/AN7QUpi.png)
Lion Lodge Kew.
(https://i.imgur.com/oOT5FNM.jpg)
The Chinese Pagoda Kew
(https://i.imgur.com/NaLAfYV.jpg)
One of the dragons being reinstated.
(https://i.imgur.com/CQQ2dZp.jpg)
A Victorian 'pile'.
There were lots of these 'piles' all over England and Scotland and Ireland. There still are.
(https://i.imgur.com/3FYfjo8.jpg)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on July 06, 2018, 10:12:10 PM
One of the dragons being reinstated.
(https://i.imgur.com/CQQ2dZp.jpg)
Is that a giant USB thumb drive?
Quote from: von Corax on July 07, 2018, 04:11:01 AM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on July 06, 2018, 10:12:10 PM
One of the dragons being reinstated.
(https://i.imgur.com/CQQ2dZp.jpg)
Is that a giant USB thumb drive?
No, it's a tiny minion inserting a regular size USB drive
Both are equally correct.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on July 07, 2018, 08:45:05 AM
Both are equally correct.
How can that be? Was it a pill or potion that made things get big and small?
~ ~ ~
In any case, I'm pondering about starting a new thread. A travel thread possibly in Off Topic. It turns out that there are many videos out there which show the buildings we've posted here (pages 20-31 in this thread). The videos are obviously not intellectual in the way that we present these photos here, but they give a good first impression from a tourist's point of view. For example this Canadian blogger travels around the world, and lives for a good part of a year in each country he visits. He misses the mark on so many of the buildings, sometimes passing buildings and not realising what they mean, but he's not a historian as most tourists are not. Nevertheless I find the field perspective interesting:
First Impressions of Mexico City (CDMX) — Mexico Travel Vlog #2 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=1iXUPcQgXas#)
This young couple from Texas who moved to Puerto Vallarta (envy) then Mexico City and may have paid a little more attention to the same venue (nicer views more details on the Palacio de Bellas Artes
Gringo Fail in Mexico City (Palacio de Bellas Artes Light Show) // Gringos in Mexico City Vlog (http://youtube.com/watch?v=gSgpSiPvRNk#)
and Casa de Azulejos - the 16th Century building remodeled with tiles, by a countess in the 1700s):
Historic Mexico City is AMAZING (La Alameda and Casa de los Azulejos) // Gringos in Mexico City Vlog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXB-CkF1Jqw#)
On the Chapultepec Castle
YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS! (A Royal Castle in Mexico) // Gringos in Mexico City Vlog (http://youtube.com/watch?v=HkG_C5RtnuA#)
Often the videos are just good for the images alone. Just ignore the explanations
Mexico's INCREDIBLE Pyramids of Teotihuacan (only 1 hour from Mexico City!) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrAw4VQs_e4#)
Sometimes the kids are just goofing off and they miss everything but the most obvious and trivial sights, like missing the Neo Barique houses in Polanco and Roma, and focusing on the Gucci shops... ::) The common rhetoric is that that Polanco is like the Beverly Hills of Mexico - true in that it's a 1920s-era wealthy neighborhood, but by no menas the fanciest nowadays. Sadly, probably this insistence on the nature of the neighborhood is due to the fact that locals try to tell foreigners that Mexico City is not the backwater place most people around the world think it is. I find it sad that we have to convince others that we are the same as anybody else in the first world.
Mexico City's Most Lavish Neighborhood!? A Walk Through Polanco // Gringos in Mexico City Vlog (http://youtube.com/watch?v=FjjyQN3qRsE#)
Some parts of the city which are so new I never saw them. Santa Fé is a Tech - upscale neighborhood that I never knew, because I left Mexico in the late 1980s
Mexico City's Fanciest Neighborhood? (Santa Fe and Parque la Mexicana)// Gringos in Mexico City Vlog (http://youtube.com/watch?v=-DKHaH-W5js#)
Plus a little drama as well.. The American couple's first earthquake experience:
February 16, 2018 Earthquake in Mexico (http://youtube.com/watch?v=u3MEGIXfZHk#)
I thought these videos were fantastic. I don't care that these young kids don't know what they're looking at. What I care about is that they are there, present, alive.
PS
Sadly in spite of their videos showing how Mexico really is, this last video shows you the reality of how negative perceptions about Mexico can and do hurt people. In this case Ms. Kennon lost her job working remotely with an American firm, because the American firm is not comfortable with having an employee in Mexico.
The Ultimatum - con subtitulos (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ICdCeDCgNII#)
Because as far as the rest of the world is concerned, the truth is not what you can see with your eyes and touch with your hands, but whatever rumours and political innuendo say about that country. Let me not dwell on the international politics you can see in the news right now. Suffice it to say that ignorance wins over reason, and real people get hurt because of it. That is the challenge that the Mexican people face as the country tries to get out of the developing world and become part of the world powers. The question is, will they let us?
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on July 07, 2018, 02:40:38 PM
How can that be? Was it a pill or potion that made things get big and small?
They are both wrong, therefore they are both equally as correct. Equal to the sum of zero.
Sorry for the long absence. During the day I've been looking for second jobs to add to my existing job, and during the night I've been traveling the cities and towns of Mexico vicariously through the spirits of the Internet. Every now and then I'll drop a photo or two if I find something relevant...
Colonia San Rafael dates back to 1859, which actually preceeds the whole Porfiriato period and the whole Maximilian period, meaning it was established during the late days of the first republic. As with other "colonias" in Mexico City San Rafael burrow was established by groups of foreigners, and it was apparently known at the beginning as the "Architects' Colony." Construction in the neighborhood didn't "wake up" until the 1870s, in time for the Porfiriato. The burrow is home to a cemetery established for Protestant British expatriates (Panteón Inglés) and an American Cemetary, where you can find the remains of American soldiers who fought in the Mexican American War. It is also the site for a college, the Universidad del Valle de Mexico (est. 1901). Another odd fact is that a federal jail was located there in the past and it briefly housed as inmates both, El Che Guevara, and Fidel Castro in 1959 after the Mexican Government found out they were planning to use Mexico City as a base for revolutionary forces in Cuba!
Alley in Colonia San Rafael, Mexico City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiV4ve3UYAETBpb.jpg)
This was on the beach near our home.
(https://i.imgur.com/MOtt4Ll.jpg)
I think it was for the filming of a new version David Copperfield
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on July 20, 2018, 01:49:40 PM
This was on the beach near our home.
(https://i.imgur.com/MOtt4Ll.jpg)
I think it was for the filming of a new version David Copperfield
That is such a cool idea, and it is perfectly logical (except when you have a storm surge)
Monsieur Von Corax: Your attention please!
Railway hotels in Canada. Some may have been posted already
http://neverwasmag.com/2018/07/the-grandest-of-canadas-railway-hotels/ (http://neverwasmag.com/2018/07/the-grandest-of-canadas-railway-hotels/)
Château Laurier Ottawa Canada
(https://i0.wp.com/neverwasmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Ch%C3%A2teau-Laurier-Ottawa-Canada-4.jpg?fit=1380%2C629)
(https://i0.wp.com/neverwasmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Ch%C3%A2teau-Laurier-Ottawa-Canada-5.jpg)
The Empress Victoria Canada
(https://i0.wp.com/neverwasmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/The-Empress-Victoria-Canada-1.jpg)
Place Viger, Montreal
(https://i1.wp.com/neverwasmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Place-Viger-Montreal-Canada-2.jpg)
Banff Springs Hotel, Alberta
(https://i1.wp.com/neverwasmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Banff-Springs-Hotel-Alberta-Canada.jpg)
Fort Garry Hotel Winnipeg Canada
(https://i2.wp.com/neverwasmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Fort-Garry-Hotel-Winnipeg-Canada-3.jpg)
Royal York, Toronto
(https://i0.wp.com/neverwasmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Royal-York-Toronto-Canada-1.jpg)
(https://i1.wp.com/neverwasmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Royal-York-Toronto-Canada-2.jpg)
You left out the Château Frontenac in Quebec City:
(https://www.ahstatic.com/photos/a572_ho_00_p_2048x1536.jpg)
I think that it's more impressive than the others because it is in a city without skyscrapers, and it stands on top of a plateau.
Directly across Front St. from the Royal York is Toronto Union Station (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Station_(Toronto)), a Beaux-Arts edifice erected in 1927. Currently the station houses VIA Rail (intercity and transcontinental passenger service), GO Transit (regional commuter service), the Toronto Transit Commission (Line 1 subway, as well as 509 Harbourfront and 510 Spadina streetcars), and the Union-Pearson Express connection to Lester B. Pearson International Airport.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trha.ca%2Fassets%2Fimages%2Fmuseum%2Funionstation2lg.jpg&hash=edf4052df1e369170fcabec8c19c2acbb3019dcd)
(https://transit.toronto.on.ca/images/gotransit-2302-02.jpg)
(https://toronto.citynews.ca/wp-content/blogs.dir/sites/10/2018/03/09/union-station.jpg)
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/09/df/c8/f9/union-station.jpg)
(https://www.styledemocracy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/8151883230_8b9609cf45_z.jpg)
(https://postmediatorontosun.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/21x034_534a_9-e1519176712102.jpg)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Furbantoronto.ca%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fimagecache%2Fdisplay-slideshow%2Fimages%2Farticles%2F2015%2F07%2F16624%2F16624-55251.jpg&hash=33cefcc5153b8bd4fdc315a80b3594ba8615dd5f)
Anyone who has seen the Gene Wilder/Richard Pryor film Silver Streak has seen the inside of the Great Hall.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on July 20, 2018, 01:49:40 PM
This was on the beach near our home.
I think it was for the filming of a new version David Copperfield
I hope they took the orange plastic bucket away before filming!
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on July 30, 2018, 02:30:18 PM
Monsieur Von Corax: Your attention please!
Railway hotels in Canada. Some may have been posted already
Railway Hotel means something different here:
(https://www.jaguarforums.com/forum/attachments/off-topic-6/116943d1439371195-around-world-pub_43702.jpg)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.gdaypubs.com.au%2Fimages%2Fphotos%2Flarge%2Fpub_6920.jpg&hash=c3837046b60f7cf806d9faaf520ecb754e08e442)
(https://publocation.com.au/sites/publocation.com.au/files/styles/large/public/pub-images/railway-hotel-427-1.jpg?itok=uVWzY4Ed&slideshow=true&slideshowAuto=false&slideshowSpeed=4000&speed=350&transition=elastic)
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftravelling-australia.info%2FMainGraphics2006%2FP069090037Bz-750.jpg&hash=c0977ab891ae90d031dcaecc2885858f8f716c87)
(https://www.visitcharterstowers.com.au/images/operators/railway-hotel/105602464.jpg)
(https://qul.imgix.net/d0efe42e-7226-448c-8d3e-6a9e752ec3f7/118678_sld.jpg)
(https://beercrawl.com.au/images/venue/118/railway-hotel-1503471206.jpg)
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Yep, usually (originally) built near or next to the railway line or railway station, for the most part in rural areas. A hotel (aka 'pub') in Australia (& NZ, I think) is something a little different from the Northern Hemisphere model! Flash hotels of the European kind are for the capital cities or larger regional cities, which will also have the generic Oz pubs like those photos posted by chironex around.
They usually had a bad reputation as the roughest pub in town, as Grahame Watt recounts in his poem The Railway Hotel:
When Joe were a young 'un, his cheeks flecked with down,
he drew his first paycheck to head into town,
then up spoke his father, "Son, heed my words well,
stay clear of the girls at the Railway Hotel!
Those harpies will fleece you of all that you own,
they're wicked and wanton, with hearts hard as stone;
they're skilled at seduction, at that they excel,
those trollops who tempt at the Railway Hotel!
They'll ply you with whiskey, with beer, and with gin;
and when you're half-sozzled they'll lead you to sin!
Believe me, young man, the road straight to Hell
begins at the door of the Railway Hotel!"
"Gee whiz," cried our hero, with awe on his face,
"So that's what goes on in that old wooden place!
Our parson has warned me of women who dwell
in dens of ill-fame, like the Railway Hotel!
Even now I can still hear that old preacher's words
about drinking and gambling, bad language and birds!
...but, where does our parson gain such vast knowledge, pray tell
of girls like the ones at the Railway Hotel?"
Joe saddled his pony, and girthed it up tight
Then, bidding his father a hasty good-night,
he sprang in the saddle and galloped pell-mell
for his destination-
The Railway Hotel!
Now, spare a thought for the joker who, upon hearing of an election promise to connect a railhead to Wolumla, VIC, decided to rush in and build the Railway Junction Hotel in the most likely place, but...
It never happened. Still, the place was known for some decades as the Railway Junction Hotel (https://openresearch-repository.anu.edu.au/handle/1885/134771).
St. Pancras seems heaven in comparison... :-\
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on August 08, 2018, 12:59:53 PM
St. Pancras seems heaven in comparison... :-\
Can't help think that the Australian "Hotel" is an upsized version of the American Wild West "Saloon." These establishments would by necessity be close to rail roads, especially out in the middle of nowhere, often towns would be built around a train stop. The first building to be erected, no doubt offered liquor, a room to spend the night, and other necessities such as "entertainment," shall we say?
Quote from: Banfili on August 06, 2018, 02:41:05 PM
Yep, usually (originally) built near or next to the railway line or railway station, for the most part in rural areas. A hotel (aka 'pub') in Australia (& NZ, I think) is something a little different from the Northern Hemisphere model! Flash hotels of the European kind are for the capital cities or larger regional cities, which will also have the generic Oz pubs like those photos posted by chironex around.
Pub [public house] is the term in n in NZ , were often built next to rail way stops, coach stops, ports, live stock sales yards, rural hubs etc where there was traffic and meeting places. They were places to rest, take repast, quell thirst and As Mr Wilhelm pointed out seek " comfort". They were built in the same era as the " wild west" , by builders and architects with a similar influence of exotic out posts of the Empire.
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Lovely.
There are very few original saloons left, actually. Most surviving ones are to be found made from masonry or built in the Far North Western frontier, closer to the 20th. C.
Red Dog Saloon, Juneau Alaska, built in 1881
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The Bodie Saloon (left), in Bodie, California, built circa 1892
The building on the right has seen better days, whatever it was
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Lone Tree Saloon in Brownville, Nebraska. Built circa 1868
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White Elephant Saloon, Ft. Worth Texas, 1884
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There are some differences between the stereotypical Western movie saloon and the real thing, though
A stereotypical Western Saloon, as shown in cartoons :P
Classic Yosemite Sam vs Bugs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THWCH2Nwsss#)
And speaking of stereotypes, there were many businesses that adopted the look.
Like the now defunct "Old San Franciso Steakhouse" Restaurant chain
A Night at Old San Francisco Steakhouse!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pcsfiAiiZ0#)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on August 08, 2018, 12:59:53 PM
St. Pancras seems heaven in comparison... :-\
I think that the British Railway Hotel, while functionally similar is actually a very different concept altogether. The United States in the 19th. C. was far away in distance and infrastructure from the development of Great Britain. The outposts in the Antipodes were very much a frontier as well. Saint Pancras was designed for "city slickers," not cowboys and buckaroos.
As you can see, even Mexico City had a population of 8.4 million in 1864 (Maximilian Period) and 13.5 million people in 1900, compared to 813000 in 1860 and 3.4 million in 1900 for New York City! London in contrast had 3.1 million people in 1861 and 6.2 million people in 1901! Isn't that incredible?
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demografía_de_México (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demograf%C3%ADa_de_M%C3%A9xico)
https://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0027/tab09.txt (https://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0027/tab09.txt)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_New_York_City (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_New_York_City)
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on August 09, 2018, 09:34:00 PM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on August 08, 2018, 12:59:53 PM
St. Pancras seems heaven in comparison... :-\
I think that the British Railway Hotel, while functionally similar is actually a very different concept altogether. The United States in the 19th. C. was far away in distance and infrastructure from the development of Great Britain. The outposts in the Antipodes were very much a frontier as well. Saint Pancras was designed for "city slickers," not cowboys and buckaroos.
As you can see, even Mexico City had a population of 8.4 million in 1864 (Maximilian Period) and 13.5 million people in 1900, compared to 813000 in 1860 and 3.4 million in 1900 for New York City! London in contrast had 3.1 million people in 1861 and 6.2 million people in 1901! Isn't that incredible?
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demografía_de_México (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demograf%C3%ADa_de_M%C3%A9xico)
https://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0027/tab09.txt (https://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0027/tab09.txt)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_New_York_City (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_New_York_City)
New Zealand. The country that never grew. Despite the recent influx of new immigrants, NZ remains under 5 million . 2 World wars, low birth rates and a habit of moving over seas for opportunity and adventure have left the population relatively static.
Towns set up to be future metropolis are now ghost towns, by passed and oft forgotten. Railway lines closed, gold mines dried up, timber mills, dairy factories and meat works shut down as processing moved off shore. Rural out posts have been abandoned as residents move on for urban pastures greener.
Even our largest city Auckland, has under 2 million residents, nearly half being non NZer. Considering the city was born at the same time as Sydney 5.6 m, Hong Kong 8 m and Los Angeles 13 million, it has suffered delayed development and some might say stagnation.
We are losing our quaint "country pubs" town by town. They were once the heart beat of the country, placed along the arterial routes feeding the economy. Many were a rite of passage and owned a certain notoriety for those wanting travel and adventure.
Many were revamped or rebuilt badly over the years. Much "modernisation" was done in the 50s. [often after " fire damage"]
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Norsewood. The migrant centre of Norwegian NZ . Now the middle of now where.
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Patea. Once touted as the place for the biggest port in NZ and future capital.
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Tauherinikau, Greytown. The earliest pre planned town in NZ. Where the love of sheep was nurtured. Another place considered for the capital centre. The train never came...
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Quote from: Hurricane Annie on August 10, 2018, 04:05:36 PM
.... Where the love of sheep was nurtured...
Honestly, there's no sport in cross-Tasman ribbing if you're going to make it so easy.... :D
Quote from: Fairley B. Strange on August 10, 2018, 10:17:27 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on August 10, 2018, 04:05:36 PM
.... Where the love of sheep was nurtured...
Honestly, there's no sport in cross-Tasman ribbing if you're going to make it so easy.... :D
Nothing keeps a man warm in the mountains, like merino
the merino and the associated use of the cliff-edge?
Very long story short. I was googling the net today after a flash if inspiration last night. I found this piece of history. The page includes a phot of a brass band from the relavant era, some of the members are my family members
A hotel that was relocated down the road a bit further and used for boutique shops
https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/heritage.huttcitylibraries.co.nz/2017/11/07/the-grand-nash/amp/?source=images (https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/heritage.huttcitylibraries.co.nz/2017/11/07/the-grand-nash/amp/?source=images)
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I'll throw in another suggestion via a piccy from our recent holiday:
(https://i.imgur.com/ARc4oqz.jpg)
Now you're probably thinking it doesn't look very steamy, but it's what's inside which I think makes it qualify. Any guesses? I'll give one clue - it's in Edinburgh.
Yours,
Miranda.
P.S. yes, that is Scotch mist whisping around it :)
Quote from: Miranda.T on August 19, 2018, 07:42:09 PM
I'll throw in another suggestion via a piccy from our recent holiday:
(https://i.imgur.com/ARc4oqz.jpg)
Now you're probably thinking it doesn't look very steamy, but it's what's inside which I think makes it qualify. Any guesses? I'll give one clue - it's in Edinburgh.
Yours,
Miranda.
P.S. yes, that is Scotch mist whisping around it :)
It looks like a light house - though is not Edinburgh land locked
It is a Camera Obscura.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on August 19, 2018, 09:46:56 PM
It is a Camera Obscura.
Absolutely! A wonderful Victorian invention which allows you to spy on the people around you from the confort of the white 'hut' shown in the picture. Or at least you can if the sun shines; on the day we visited almost all that could be seen were various shades of gray.
Yours,
Miranda.
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A combination of the Victorian and the new, the Shard built on the site of the old London Bridge Station.
May not seem like the best photograph but it was actually taken at night with a long aperture absorbing as much light as possible with the camera wedged into my chest to keep it as still as possible. Kings Cross St.Pancras from the road.
(https://i.imgur.com/9ySgfP5.jpg)
The classic shot of Tower Bridge - possibly the most steampunk structure in the world...
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Just happened to be passing as the bascules were raised to let a medium size boat pass underneath
(https://i.imgur.com/LFHymY2.jpg)
The clock tower Kings Cross St. Pancras, time for JAck to make his way East...?
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JAck's Lanterns? Kings Cross St. Pancras
Pedestrian entrance Kings Cross St. Pancras railway station, no flash, long exposure, giving a more evocative image. Highly gothic arches and hanging lamps. No photoshopping or adding extra contrast required, the image is unmanipulated. Still though, too bright for JAck, he likes dark places.
(https://i.imgur.com/5QZUbeU.jpg)
Jack's bedroom perhaps? St. Pancras Hotel - part of the front facade.
No flash, using ambient city light and a vertical lamp on the facade as well as some evocative internal light. Looks as if JAck is home. Taken at night with a long exposure using a Nikon D3100 DSLR.
(https://i.imgur.com/SsgmJRP.jpg)
A temple to JAck?
Looks like a temple but in fact it is merely a train station. Kings Cross St.Pancras Station concourse passenger entrance. The interior.
No flash, just the ambient lighting from the station itself plus the lanterns in the corridors. In the corner is the new public house. A good place for JAck to take a pint before setting out East.
Some very nice photos there, unclebert!
Thankyou Banfili, your comments always appreciated.
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The Police Station that never caught JAck?
Not a police station, just part of the railway station infrastructure at Kings Cross St.Pancras. The station could have been frequented by JAck though, having been built and in operation some 20 years before JAck did his dirty work.
Not a particularly dynamic photograph, just one of the images I took to mark my recent London visit. Polychromatic brickwork, fine stonecarving, wrought ironwork, quality rivetting, carved wood, lead and glass make this just a portion of this outstanding building.
Off to Melbourne on Saturday for a wedding - camera in hand! I really will have to get that photo hosting site organised!!
It is beautiful work, isn't it?
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The swimming baths at Reading, the Thames Lido, King's Meadow swimming pool is an open air swimming pool located in King's Meadow in Reading, Berkshire. Dates from 1902.
(https://i.imgur.com/dWlgELS.jpg)
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Wells Cathedral Library built in the 1400s, approximately.
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Another view of the Sovereign, now up for grabs for 3.5 mil.
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These are or have been antique shops in recent years.
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Commercial and residential block at the beginning of Ingham Road.
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Denham Street.
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Inside the Perc Tucker Regional Gallery.
I think you uploaded the wrong photo. for the last image.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on August 29, 2018, 08:36:36 PM
I think you uploaded the wrong photo. for the last image.
It wasn't a mistake. The Perc Tucker Regional Gallery has an exhibition of staircases this month.
Ah, it is good to be proven wrong (just this once) - a fine modern staircase it is too...
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A damn fine steam engine making power... Perhaps to make some light to prevent terrible goings-on in those dark London streets - no-one mention JAck, it is just too much bad luck.
In truth, these are the infernal steam machines used until 1974 to raise the bascules (bridge sections) at Tower Bridge.
There is some really beautiful architecture and engineering still extant, isn't there?
We haven't managed to destroy quite all of it - yet!
There is still loads of it! Thank goodness. ;D
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Joyce Grove Hall in Nettlebed complete (19th C) with some period 20th century vehicles setting off the picture beautifully.
↑I think I saw that episode of something-or-other.
Dominic cucumberpatch was in it... Imitation game - terrible film
Joyce Grove Hall was standing in for Bletchley Park.
(https://i.imgur.com/dw8PF7q.jpg)
Joyce Grove Hall
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Bletchley Park.
Actually I think I'm thinking of Foyle's War, with those very vehicles.
Possibly the vehicles but not, I believe, Joyce Grove. I don't remember it being filmed there but I suppose it could have been. These are definitely from the Imitation Game.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-31/adelaide-botanic-gardens-palm-house-being-restored/10183078 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-31/adelaide-botanic-gardens-palm-house-being-restored/10183078)
"The Palm House in Adelaide's Botanic Gardens is undergoing its second restoration in about 25 years, with a team of painters and builders treating it for salt damp and rust incursion. Plants have been moved out and cracked glass panes are being replaced, as workers utilise a huge freestanding scaffolding structure that took a week to build inside and around the 1877 structure. Originally built in Bremen, Germany in 1875, the Palm House was shipped to Adelaide and reassembled, although the glass panes were all broken by the time it arrived. Following the devastation of subsequent wars in Europe, it remains the only known German-built glasshouse from the era and is Australia's second oldest."
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Quote from: Sorontar on August 31, 2018, 12:33:11 AM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-31/adelaide-botanic-gardens-palm-house-being-restored/10183078 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-31/adelaide-botanic-gardens-palm-house-being-restored/10183078)
"The Palm House in Adelaide's Botanic Gardens is undergoing its second restoration in about 25 years, with a team of painters and builders treating it for salt damp and rust incursion. Plants have been moved out and cracked glass panes are being replaced, as workers utilise a huge freestanding scaffolding structure that took a week to build inside and around the 1877 structure. Originally built in Bremen, Germany in 1875, the Palm House was shipped to Adelaide and reassembled, although the glass panes were all broken by the time it arrived. Following the devastation of subsequent wars in Europe, it remains the only known German-built glasshouse from the era and is Australia's second oldest."
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Palm-Tropical_house_at_the_Adelaide_Botanic_gardens.JPG)
Wonderful!
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on August 30, 2018, 10:59:16 AM
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Joyce Grove Hall in Nettlebed complete (19th C) with some period 20th century vehicles setting off the picture beautifully.
Indeed. That's a very nice photo setup!
Quote from: Sorontar on August 31, 2018, 12:33:11 AM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-31/adelaide-botanic-gardens-palm-house-being-restored/10183078 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-31/adelaide-botanic-gardens-palm-house-being-restored/10183078)
"The Palm House in Adelaide's Botanic Gardens is undergoing its second restoration in about 25 years, with a team of painters and builders treating it for salt damp and rust incursion. Plants have been moved out and cracked glass panes are being replaced, as workers utilise a huge freestanding scaffolding structure that took a week to build inside and around the 1877 structure. Originally built in Bremen, Germany in 1875, the Palm House was shipped to Adelaide and reassembled, although the glass panes were all broken by the time it arrived. Following the devastation of subsequent wars in Europe, it remains the only known German-built glasshouse from the era and is Australia's second oldest."
Not quite right... perhaps the only only known German-built glasshouse in Australia... but that's not surprising. They do exist elsewhere, for example, Germany!
(https://i.imgur.com/N6L8vBl.jpg) Well - the Schonbrunn Palace Palm House in Vienna still exists and was German built, assuming of course that Austria is the heart of Germany which it once was...
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There is also the Berlin Botanic Gardens which have their own fine original greenhouses, damaged in the war but they survived to be rebuilt in the 1960s. They retain their shape and style and least some of their original structure.
I am sure there are many others.
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The Great Botanic House in wartime.
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The Great Botanic House today.
Still fasccinates me how the Germans put their structure on the outside with the glass hung on the inside whilst the British greenhouses place the structure on the inside, protecting it from the elements under the glass...
PS - I'm STILL working on my own greenhouse having discovered some rot in the roof apex supporting beam. Have discovered that the idiot who built mine used softwood instead of hardwood so when repaired some extra protection will be required in the form of lead flashing. Oh well.
(https://i.imgur.com/uKTVI5p.jpg)
There is now scaffolding on the inside/outside.
Don't go throwing stones
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on August 29, 2018, 08:36:36 PM
I think you uploaded the wrong photo. for the last image.
No, that is inside this building:
(https://img00.deviantart.net/bd9b/i/2015/211/2/5/perc_tucker_regional_gallery_by_thoughtengine-d93elp5.jpg)
I don't know when the staircase was added, but look at the details on the walls and you will see some of the original building.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/5514/i/2018/252/3/f/row_of_shops_by_thoughtengine-dcmhptr.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/a883/th/pre/i/2018/252/a/c/perc_tucker_gallery_by_thoughtengine-dcmhq22.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/7df2/i/2018/252/e/d/perc_tucker_gallery_by_thoughtengine-dcmhqg8.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/595e/i/2018/252/b/b/old_commercial_buildings_by_thoughtengine-dcmhqo3.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/1876/i/2018/253/4/6/french_street_shops_by_thoughtengine-dcmhrhe.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/56e7/i/2018/253/e/8/french_street_shops_by_thoughtengine-dcmhrkc.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/b025/i/2018/253/4/4/french_street_shops_by_thoughtengine-dcmhrp9.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/4f04/i/2018/253/0/e/bowls_club_by_thoughtengine-dcmhrsh.jpg)
This page is is inspirational. From the old brick and military secondment to the glass houses.
Pleased - looking for good ones.
(https://i.imgur.com/iW4pjCg.jpg)
Leaderfoot Viaduct. Berwickshire.
Victorian Society reveals top 10 buildings 'crying out' to be saved (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-45485245)
QuoteAn old Islamic school once suspected of training terrorists and a group of gothic cemetery chapels have been named on a top 10 endangered buildings list.
The former Legat's ballet school in East Sussex was raided by police in 2006 - now a campaign hopes to save it.
The Victorian Society's annual list aims to expose the plight of Victorian and Edwardian buildings at risk.
Society president Griff Rhys Jones said: "Every single building is crying out for redevelopment."
He added: "These are pieces of the history of the Victorian era and its industrial, spiritual and cultural beliefs - incredible.
"And this makes their current sad and neglected state even harder to swallow."
(c) BBC '18.
I hope that these buildings are worthy of inclusion?
Quote from: Mercury Wells on September 12, 2018, 11:14:44 PM
Victorian Society reveals top 10 buildings 'crying out' to be saved (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-45485245)
I hope that these buildings are worthy of inclusion?
of course...
I was just in Brisbane this weekend...
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/6ad8/th/pre/i/2018/290/b/8/nomads_brisbane_by_thoughtengine-dcpngyq.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/f81f/i/2018/290/5/f/down_under_bar_by_thoughtengine-dcpnha0.jpg)
This is a backpackers now, and there is a bar in the ground floor. The elevator is an old manual device, complete with pantograph internal door.
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/66cf/th/pre/i/2018/290/e/e/city_hall_by_thoughtengine-dcpnhfb.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/e721/i/2018/290/6/2/city_hall_by_thoughtengine-dcpnhln.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/7055/th/pre/i/2018/290/b/6/the_king_by_thoughtengine-dcpnhtn.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/cc90/th/pre/i/2018/290/1/c/city_hall_by_thoughtengine-dcpni2d.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/ca59/i/2018/290/2/2/city_hall_by_thoughtengine-dcpni8m.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/be32/i/2018/290/2/6/city_hall_by_thoughtengine-dcpnig8.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/c998/i/2018/290/1/1/city_hall_by_thoughtengine-dcpnilb.jpg)
Nearby City Hall.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/db00/i/2018/290/0/c/land_administration_office_by_thoughtengine-dcpnis9.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/e3f6/i/2018/290/a/b/land_administration_building_by_thoughtengine-dcpnk3w.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/ad46/th/pre/i/2018/290/1/b/god_bless__er_by_thoughtengine-dcpnk9c.jpg?1)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/4ec1/th/pre/i/2018/290/d/2/lamp_by_thoughtengine-dcpnkc8.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/e81e/i/2018/290/0/a/untitled_by_thoughtengine-dcpnkh2.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/7111/i/2018/290/5/a/land_administration_building_by_thoughtengine-dcpnkjk.jpg)
Land Administration Building, now home to various nocturnal entertainments.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/8339/i/2018/290/b/5/pancake_church_by_thoughtengine-dcpnkqt.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/53f1/i/2018/290/e/2/pancake_church_by_thoughtengine-dcpnkti.jpg)
Former St Lukes Church Hall, now Pancakes.
Quote from: chironex on October 17, 2018, 12:36:33 PM
I was just in Brisbane this weekend...
*snip*
Very nice Chironex! That's a language I understand! The first one looks like a building that never existed: a New Orleans Skyscraper ;D They never went that high in the land of Cajun.
The buildings shown in the middle, definitely Neo Classic. Look at the colour of that stone! Which lind is it? It looks like a darker shade of limestone (certainly the weathering on it is typical - moisture promotes mold growth, and limestone is very spongy).
Hotel Del Portal, City of Puebla, State of Puebla, Mexico
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpvcaEBU4AAm4rN.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpvcTWmUUAA1Q2p.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpvelhgVAAAGml1.jpg)
Buffet at La Nogada, the restaurant downstairs at Hotel Del Portal
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpvcXpxU8AAnBoG.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpvgFDHU8AEPvXU.jpg)
View of Puebla's City Hall (Governor's Palace, far Left) from Hotel Del Portal
(Right click to zoom in)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpvfSU1UcAIawTM.jpg)
I'm a sucker for wrought iron. I'm holding out for a come back
(https://img00.deviantart.net/71cf/i/2018/291/6/0/commisariat_store_by_thoughtengine-dcpq15b.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/5b84/th/pre/i/2018/291/f/3/commisariat_store_by_thoughtengine-dcpq1az.jpg?1)
The Commisariat Store.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/51c6/i/2018/291/5/a/government_offices_by_thoughtengine-dcpq1ls.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/1fe5/i/2018/291/3/1/government_offices_by_thoughtengine-dcpq1w6.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/1d76/th/pre/i/2018/291/5/c/government_offices_by_thoughtengine-dcpq1zm.jpg)
Cannot remember what the plaque said this one was.
There is much work going on in that area, with the older buildings apparently being kept, because they are right in the work area and not demolished.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/0a9e/i/2018/291/5/0/untitled_by_thoughtengine-dcpq26s.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/0a82/th/pre/i/2018/291/6/5/sutton_house_by_thoughtengine-dcpq2da.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/2006/th/pre/i/2018/291/f/c/adina_by_thoughtengine-dcpq2ky.jpg)
Adina, whatever that is.
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/2c28/th/pre/i/2018/291/c/5/treasury_casino_by_thoughtengine-dcpq2xh.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/5073/th/pre/i/2018/291/0/d/untitled_by_thoughtengine-dcpq35i.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/eafd/i/2018/291/6/d/treasury_hotel_by_thoughtengine-dcpq38u.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/76bb/i/2018/291/9/f/treasury_chambers_by_thoughtengine-dcpq3jq.jpg)
Within the area of the Treasury, now Treasury Casino.
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/7928/th/pre/i/2018/291/0/e/bank_of_new_south_wales_by_thoughtengine-dcpq3ok.jpg)
Bank of New South Wales.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/8487/i/2018/291/2/2/anne_street_presbyterian_church_by_thoughtengine-dcpq3v2.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/1844/th/pre/i/2018/291/6/a/anne_street_presbyterian_church_by_thoughtengine-dcpq3zj.jpg)
Ann Street Presbyterian.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/b03d/i/2018/291/a/0/school_of_arts_by_thoughtengine-dcpq4in.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/c450/i/2018/291/8/9/school_of_arts_by_thoughtengine-dcpq4o1.jpg)
School of Arts.
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/a53e/th/pre/i/2018/291/a/0/central_station_by_thoughtengine-dcpq4x6.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/1c30/i/2018/291/d/7/grand_central_hotel_by_thoughtengine-dcpq5bo.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/abd6/i/2018/291/8/2/sofitel_by_thoughtengine-dcpq5hy.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/c5ed/i/2018/291/5/b/sofitel_by_thoughtengine-dcpq5ln.jpg)
Former buildings of Central Station.You can enter the current station complex from here.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/b00a/i/2018/291/a/2/wickham_house_by_thoughtengine-dcpq828.jpg)
Wickham House.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/da68/i/2018/291/5/d/green_house_by_thoughtengine-dcpq8an.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/702d/i/2018/291/1/a/green_house_by_thoughtengine-dcpq86w.jpg)
Green House
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/3b7f/th/pre/i/2018/291/2/d/hotel_by_thoughtengine-dcpq8go.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/4333/i/2018/291/3/e/ballow_chambers_by_thoughtengine-dcpq8j9.jpg)
Ballow Chambers.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/b4ec/i/2018/291/f/d/dod_s_by_thoughtengine-dcpq8ll.jpg)
A former residence and clinic, recently cafe, now up for grabs.
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/224f/th/pre/i/2018/291/3/a/dentist_by_thoughtengine-dcpq8r0.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/ce31/th/pre/i/2018/291/8/3/professional_buildings_by_thoughtengine-dcpq8sw.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/ffa8/i/2018/291/1/c/johnny_ringo_s_by_thoughtengine-dcpq8vo.jpg)
Johnny Ringos saloon.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/4bde/i/2018/291/d/4/united_service_club_by_thoughtengine-dcpq969.jpg)
United Service Club.
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/08ac/th/pre/i/2018/291/1/a/purple_flowers_by_thoughtengine-dcpq9jr.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/ac94/th/pre/i/2018/291/a/0/mill_observatory_by_thoughtengine-dcpq9p7.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/bb58/th/pre/i/2018/291/4/f/mill_observatory_by_thoughtengine-dcpq9sa.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/6155/th/pre/i/2018/291/2/a/mill_observatory_by_thoughtengine-dcpqa0e.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/8c47/i/2018/291/b/5/mill_outbuildings_by_thoughtengine-dcpqahf.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/42f7/i/2018/291/a/b/mill_outbuildings_by_thoughtengine-dcpqajx.jpg)
The former convict mill, then maritime traffic observatory. No mention of the purpose of the outbuildings.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/47c5/i/2018/291/e/8/city_tabernacle_baptist_church_by_thoughtengine-dcpqb2s.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/91b9/i/2018/291/f/b/city_tabernacle_baptist_church_by_thoughtengine-dcpqba9.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/534c/th/pre/i/2018/291/0/5/city_tabernacle_baptist_church_by_thoughtengine-dcpqbcb.jpg)
City Tabernacle Baptist Church.
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/72cd/th/pre/i/2018/291/a/f/all_saints_church_by_thoughtengine-dcpqbg5.jpg?1)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/cb1c/i/2018/291/6/7/all_saints_church_by_thoughtengine-dcpqbj1.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/9d1d/i/2018/291/c/f/all_saints_church_by_thoughtengine-dcpqbqb.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/6ea2/i/2018/291/8/0/all_saints_church_by_thoughtengine-dcpqbww.jpg)
All Saints.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/0497/i/2018/291/2/f/st_martins_house_by_thoughtengine-dcpqc2p.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/21e0/i/2018/291/f/a/st_martins_house_by_thoughtengine-dcpqc8o.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/20e4/i/2018/291/1/d/st_martins_house_by_thoughtengine-dcpqcfz.jpg)
St Martins House.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/11b1/i/2018/291/8/b/albert_st_wesleyan_church_by_thoughtengine-dcpqcrh.jpg)
Albert St Wesleyan.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/abd1/i/2018/291/4/8/church_of_christ__by_thoughtengine-dcpqcvw.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/0267/th/pre/i/2018/291/e/a/church_of_christ__by_thoughtengine-dcpqcz8.jpg)
Church of Christ.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/c2f2/i/2018/291/7/7/untitled_by_thoughtengine-dcpqd4h.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/a71d/th/pre/i/2018/291/b/a/st_johns_cathedral_by_thoughtengine-dcpqd7i.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/0e3b/i/2018/291/2/d/st_johns_cathedral_by_thoughtengine-dcpqde3.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/b40c/i/2018/291/6/a/st_johns_cathedral_by_thoughtengine-dcpqdj8.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/d7f2/th/pre/i/2018/291/3/d/st_johns_cathedral_by_thoughtengine-dcpqdp6.jpg)
St Johns Cathedral.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/b1be/i/2018/291/a/a/parish_archives_by_thoughtengine-dcpqdum.jpg)
Parish archives.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/b97f/i/2018/291/9/e/webber_house_by_thoughtengine-dcpqe0e.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/6f2a/i/2018/291/f/a/webber_house_by_thoughtengine-dcpqe4v.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/35f1/i/2018/291/5/7/webber_house_by_thoughtengine-dcpqe84.jpg)
Webber House.
Sounds awfully cruel but all I keep seeing is lovely buildings surrounded by appalling buildings. I wonder how pretty the city may have been once upon a time before the 1960s arrived and Germano/American building styles were adopted. Same style of buildings ever since. No national character, no intrinsic worth. It looks as if the best part of your national character architecturally was mostly steam-rolled. So sad.
Some nice buildings there.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on October 19, 2018, 03:04:52 PM
Sounds awfully cruel but all I keep seeing is lovely buildings surrounded by appalling buildings. I wonder how pretty the city may have been once upon a time before the 1960s arrived and Germano/American building styles were adopted. Same style of buildings ever since. No national character, no intrinsic worth. It looks as if the best part of your national character architecturally was mostly steam-rolled. So sad.
Some nice buildings there.
The city is so young in any case. 1824 when it first became a settlement. It's got a surprisingly large number of large Neo-Classic structures if you think about it.
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/34f5/th/pre/i/2018/294/a/2/rothwells_and_rowes_by_thoughtengine-dcpytqe.jpg)
Rothwells and Rowes.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/299d/i/2018/294/a/b/untitled_by_thoughtengine-dcpywh9.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/d5cf/i/2018/294/b/5/tattersalls_club_by_thoughtengine-dcpyxj2.jpg)
Tattersalls club.
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/b278/th/pre/i/2018/294/b/b/anachronism_stew_by_thoughtengine-dcpyyf5.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/647b/th/pre/i/2018/294/3/2/regent_building_by_thoughtengine-dcpz0o1.jpg)
Regent.
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/70eb/th/pre/i/2018/294/6/4/untitled_by_thoughtengine-dcpz1yy.jpg?2)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/06e8/th/pre/i/2018/294/d/d/the_big_block_by_thoughtengine-dcpz2tf.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/611f/i/2018/294/6/2/hungry_jacks_by_thoughtengine-dcpz3uw.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/daeb/i/2018/294/9/2/foot_locker_by_thoughtengine-dcpz4pn.jpg)
Various buildings which have been used for modern malls.
Hungry Jack's is the steampunk version of Burger King.
I've certainly never heard it described that way before. It's only named Hungry Jack's because, presumably, there was already a business using the name Burger King in Australia when the chain arrived. I've more likely heard it described as "total garbage", "barely counting as food", and "the Only Thing Open"...
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/1843/th/pre/i/2018/295/7/1/perry_house_by_thoughtengine-dcq21ox.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/3907/th/pre/i/2018/295/8/0/bank_of_new_south_wales_by_thoughtengine-dcq22do.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/cb7a/th/pre/i/2018/295/c/3/commercial_buildings_by_thoughtengine-dcq22gf.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/dab7/i/2018/295/8/1/treasury_casino_by_thoughtengine-dcq22lk.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/d503/th/pre/i/2018/295/e/c/york_by_thoughtengine-dcq22nh.jpg?2)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/4f7d/i/2018/295/f/c/barrow_and_roberts_limited_by_thoughtengine-dcq22rc.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/92eb/i/2018/295/d/1/korean_bbq_by_thoughtengine-dcq22u5.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/8866/i/2018/295/c/7/old_commercial_buildings_by_thoughtengine-dcq22y1.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/8cc3/i/2018/295/c/8/old_commercial_buildings_by_thoughtengine-dcq231a.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/e4a9/i/2018/295/f/4/commercial_buildings_by_thoughtengine-dcq235j.jpg?2)
More old buildings serving modern commerce.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/4e6b/i/2018/295/6/f/the_telegraph_by_thoughtengine-dcq2398.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/1c86/i/2018/295/9/a/hotel_carlton_by_thoughtengine-dcq23ce.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/1725/i/2018/295/a/a/flight_centre_by_thoughtengine-dcq23fw.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/1cca/i/2018/295/3/4/1882_by_thoughtengine-dcq23iq.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/fcb0/i/2018/295/2/9/commercial_buildings_by_thoughtengine-dcq23p7.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/94b5/th/pre/i/2018/295/f/5/elizabeth_house_by_thoughtengine-dcq23vs.jpg?1)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/21b0/th/pre/i/2018/295/d/f/ibis_by_thoughtengine-dcq23yd.jpg?1)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/6375/i/2018/295/e/7/treasury_casino_by_thoughtengine-dcq2412.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/a84e/i/2018/295/c/5/land_administration_building_by_thoughtengine-dcq24br.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/c89f/i/2018/295/7/6/untitled_by_thoughtengine-dcq24qq.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/8239/th/pre/i/2018/295/7/a/untitled_by_thoughtengine-dcq251a.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/fec9/i/2018/295/9/e/untitled_by_thoughtengine-dcq253t.jpg)
More old Government buildings near the Treasury, on George Street.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/9075/i/2018/295/1/2/mansions_by_thoughtengine-dcq257l.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/9783/i/2018/295/a/9/mansions_by_thoughtengine-dcq25uk.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/f7dc/i/2018/295/6/1/mansions_by_thoughtengine-dcq265j.jpg)
The Mansions.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/c49f/i/2018/295/f/a/queensland_parliament_house_by_thoughtengine-dcq26lu.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/a1a3/i/2018/295/e/1/queensland_parliament_house_by_thoughtengine-dcq26r0.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/0a5c/th/pre/i/2018/295/2/4/queensland_parliament_house_by_thoughtengine-dcq26xn.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/0f88/th/pre/i/2018/295/c/1/lamp_post_by_thoughtengine-dcq271v.jpg?1)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/6395/i/2018/295/9/c/queensland_parliament_house_by_thoughtengine-dcq274e.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/a18f/i/2018/295/a/6/queensland_parliament_house_by_thoughtengine-dcq27bv.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/719e/i/2018/295/c/3/queensland_parliament_house_by_thoughtengine-dcq27ej.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/a096/i/2018/295/d/1/queensland_parliament_house_by_thoughtengine-dcq27gs.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/b8ad/th/pre/i/2018/295/c/2/queensland_parliament_house_by_thoughtengine-dcq27jz.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/1a85/i/2018/295/e/a/queensland_parliament_house_by_thoughtengine-dcq27nj.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/e1c5/i/2018/295/4/c/queensland_parliament_house_by_thoughtengine-dcq27q2.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/f312/i/2018/295/9/0/queensland_parliament_house_by_thoughtengine-dcq27sh.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/0595/th/pre/i/2018/295/3/2/queensland_parliament_house_by_thoughtengine-dcq27vf.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/facc/th/pre/i/2018/295/7/4/queensland_parliament_house_by_thoughtengine-dcq280b.jpg)
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/b743/th/pre/i/2018/295/e/3/gate_post_by_thoughtengine-dcq284e.jpg)
Queensland Parliament House.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/c934/i/2018/295/d/7/qut_gardens_point_by_thoughtengine-dcq289k.jpg)
The closest building of QUT Gardens Point campus.
(https://pre00.deviantart.net/a0ac/th/pre/i/2018/295/3/5/swanbank_station_by_thoughtengine-dcq2bcu.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/18fc/i/2018/295/1/1/swanbank_station_by_thoughtengine-dcq2bhi.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/d8c7/i/2018/295/0/5/swanbank_station_by_thoughtengine-dcq2bnm.jpg)
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Swanbank Station, Queensland Pioneer Steam Railway.
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Jim Donald House.
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Historical Motorcycle club house.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/8b1b/i/2018/295/a/b/brigg_house_by_thoughtengine-dcq2glh.jpg)
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Brigg House, used by the genealogical society.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/d00e/i/2018/295/d/1/spinners_and_weavers_house_by_thoughtengine-dcq2gav.jpg)
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The Spinners and Weavers society house.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/517c/i/2018/295/5/8/mine_office_by_thoughtengine-dcq2csy.jpg)
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Old mine office.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/5607/i/2018/295/0/2/cooneana_homestead_by_thoughtengine-dcq2f97.jpg)
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Cooneana Homestead.
(https://img00.deviantart.net/9eef/i/2018/295/c/9/untitled_by_thoughtengine-dcq2cvl.jpg)
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Cooneana Historical Village (http://www.ipswichhistoricalsociety.com/visit-us.html).
Ah, the good old weatherboard bungalow/cottage - I've lived in a couple of those - in fact I own & live in one of those now! the only drawback with mine is the lack of insulation, but I am slowly working on that!
The core building/exhibit of the village is actually a slab hut, unique in that it is raised on low stumps.
My house is on stumps. About 30cm (1ft) at the front, and about 60-65cm (2ft & a bit) at the back. It's not uncommon to be raised up off the ground, especially in a floodplain, or, in my case, a former floodplain.
It's unique for a slab hut.
That is a fabulous yellow place above. That colour scheme is once again the height of fashion.
Strangely, it's called the Green House....
Quote from: chironex on October 27, 2018, 12:03:00 AM
Strangely, it's called the Green House....
Was it green in a previous incarnation or perhaps a reference to an owner?
'Hut' in our parlance is a large 'shed'.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on October 27, 2018, 10:45:30 AM
'Hut' in our parlance is a large 'shed'.
I'd say it's the other way. Hut = small shed. "Hut" is derived from Middle English
hutte,
hotte, borrowed from Old French
hutte,
hute meaning a small wooden shed or cottage. Though some authorities derive this word from the Nahuatl (Aztec)
xacalli (MX Spanish "jacal" pronounced "ha-cal") ;D
Actually, I am sure they started off small and grew...
This one really grew:
(https://i.imgur.com/e5nMWCU.jpg)
A different view of LeadenHall Market
(https://i.imgur.com/huiivVt.jpg)
In that lovely Antipodean hut above I see some lovely and strangely out-of-place British features, the proportions of the doors, brass door knobs, the Singer sewing machine, the Arts and Crafts stained glass windows, the proportions of the sash windows, the iron fireplace with the tiled and wooden surround, the Imperial-sized bricks and the very British but not-generally-used-here-corrugated iron. I have had all of those in my home except for the iron. All the above are being used in way that is particularly Australian/New Zealandish?
Is there a difference in styles in these two separated colonial cultures?
Queensland Parliament House is rather nice, gothic railings and classical arches with a chateau-style roof and French proportion/layout.
Chironex, your 'pile' of images, you need to go back and separate them, adding a name to each, especially this one:
(https://img00.deviantart.net/9075/i/2018/295/1/2/mansions_by_thoughtengine-dcq257l.jpg)
That is a style that I doubt we would find in the UK. We have lots of arched buildings but those are quite unique being so tightly packed in such a compact space and on the exterior of the building. I suppose it is an extension of the verandah style. A unique residence.
We might have such arches arranged in this fashion but we would tend to have them on the inside.
(https://i.imgur.com/3IC9XIB.jpg)
Kelvingrove Art Gallery and Museum (Glasgow)
Charing Cross Station
(https://i.imgur.com/PcMpsVl.jpg)
Something similar with regard to a covered verandah.
Much more provincial on the inside:
(https://i.imgur.com/j6CLB8e.jpg)
A vast modern 80s train shed extension is now to the rear in the direction of the river. Not so pretty.
(https://i.imgur.com/CSC15sD.jpg)
There is still plenty of the older and more beautiful building to be seen.
Chironex - love the lighthouse:
(https://i.imgur.com/Sk1qtWD.jpg)
Information required.
(https://i.imgur.com/3D9lvLz.jpg)
Mornington Crescent Tube Station (no canopy nor verandah)
but most of our stations tend to have some sort of canopy
(https://i.imgur.com/yo7myZF.jpg)
Tynemouth station
(https://i.imgur.com/0KnkItW.jpg)
Tenby station
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on October 30, 2018, 09:23:04 AM
In that lovely Antipodean hut above I see some lovely and strangely out-of-place British features, the proportions of the doors, brass door knobs, the Singer sewing machine, the Arts and Crafts stained glass windows, the proportions of the sash windows, the iron fireplace with the tiled and wooden surround, the Imperial-sized bricks and the very British but not-generally-used-here-corrugated iron. I have had all of those in my home except for the iron. All the above are being used in way that is particularly Australian/New Zealandish?
That is a cottage, not the hut (specifically, it is the cottage used by the Spinners and Weavers group, the other two being HQ of the Genealogical Society and the Historic Motorcycle group). The hut is the more dilapidated thing with the added-on kitchen and remains of the brick chimney in place; it is the original homestead around which the Cooneana Historical Village grew. Other than the green fireplace, the hut looks like this inside:
(https://img00.deviantart.net/af92/i/2018/303/7/b/cooneana_homestead_by_thoughtengine-dcqpyw8.jpg)
(https://img00.deviantart.net/1d70/i/2018/303/8/e/cooneana_homestead_by_thoughtengine-dcqpysk.jpg)
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Under renovation.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on October 30, 2018, 09:23:04 AM
Chironex, your 'pile' of images, you need to go back and separate them, adding a name to each, especially this one:
(https://img00.deviantart.net/9075/i/2018/295/1/2/mansions_by_thoughtengine-dcq257l.jpg)
I don't have a name for them all. Many are simply the buildings that are still there being used for modern commerce which I happened upon. That one is the Mansions, corner of George and Margaret Streets, designed by GHM Addison as a set of six attached houses as an investment for some state politicians, and built by RE Burton, 1889. Now serviced apartments and upmarket tea house/dining as party of the Queens Wharf redevelopment.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on October 30, 2018, 09:23:04 AM
We might have such arches arranged in this fashion but we would tend to have them on the inside.
(https://i.imgur.com/3IC9XIB.jpg)
Kelvingrove Art Gallery and Museum (Glasgow)
That's what that place is? I've been wondering since I acquired the image of an artistic photo which is now my lock screen.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on October 30, 2018, 11:12:10 AM
Chironex - love the lighthouse:
(https://i.imgur.com/Sk1qtWD.jpg)
Information required.
Not a lighthouse. The Old Convict Mill was built during the early days of the Moreton Bay penal colony by the prisoners. It was worked manually, even after conversion to a windmill, due to the sails not generating enough power; the majority of grain ground there was done by muscle power, such that it was frequently a punishment duty for the prisoners.
Eventually it was converted to a maritime observatory, and had a time ball set on top. This was joined by a cannon when it became clear that nobody was going to be looking at the tower to set their watches at 1 in the afternoon. Eventually so many clocks with bells ended up in the CBD the cannon was removed. This was after a new time ball had been installed...
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on October 17, 2018, 09:00:57 PM
Quote from: chironex on October 17, 2018, 12:36:33 PM
I was just in Brisbane this weekend...
*snip*
Very nice Chironex! That's a language I understand! The first one looks like a building that never existed: a New Orleans Skyscraper ;D They never went that high in the land of Cajun.
The buildings shown in the middle, definitely Neo Classic. Look at the colour of that stone! Which lind is it? It looks like a darker shade of limestone (certainly the weathering on it is typical - moisture promotes mold growth, and limestone is very spongy).
No other information but "masonry, steel and concrete" faced with sandstone. also some granite bases for various parts, and brown "freestone".
More canopies:
(https://i.imgur.com/GlqSFZz.jpg)
Dalmally Station (near to my cottage)
More of Kelvingrove Museum.
(https://i.imgur.com/ogouC6M.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lhGWcry.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GlRgWVC.jpg)
Kelvingrove is one of those red stone Victorian 'piles' or what they would have called it in the 60s "a Victorian red brick monstrosity" - I love the things.
(https://i.imgur.com/t7EzSAF.jpg)
Quote from: chironex on October 30, 2018, 02:33:22 PM
Not a lighthouse. The Old Convict Mill was built during the early days of the Moreton Bay penal colony by the prisoners.
Fascinating, it looks far too solid to be a windmill, much more like a lighthouse.
I lived in the villages of North and South Moreton in Oxfordshire, I wonder if there is a connection?
Perhaps. There are many places in Australia named for places in the British Isles.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on October 30, 2018, 09:23:04 AM
In that lovely Antipodean hut above I see some lovely and strangely out-of-place British features, the proportions of the doors, brass door knobs, the Singer sewing machine, the Arts and Crafts stained glass windows, the proportions of the sash windows, the iron fireplace with the tiled and wooden surround, the Imperial-sized bricks and the very British but not-generally-used-here-corrugated iron. I have had all of those in my home except for the iron. All the above are being used in way that is particularly Australian/New Zealandish?
The sash windows and the wood siding , you can find in any house or hut in America since Colonial times, through the Western Expansion through today, really. What makes those building uniquely Antipoedian, in my opinion, is the steep high roof line, being almost "pyramidal" and the corrugated metal that is very different from what you see in other English speaking countries outside of UK (US/Canada/Caribbean). Obviously the steep roof serves a purpose - attic space used for thermal insulation?
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on October 30, 2018, 02:58:21 PM
More of Kelvingrove Museum.
(https://i.imgur.com/ogouC6M.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lhGWcry.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GlRgWVC.jpg)
Kelvingrove is one of those red stone Victorian 'piles' or what they would have called it in the 60s "a Victorian red brick monstrosity" - I love the things.
(https://i.imgur.com/t7EzSAF.jpg)
Makes you want to become a curator just to work there every day.
Since we've shown some churches...
St. Mary's Cathedral in Austin
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dqx-isIUcAA73dV.jpg)
University Baptist Church
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dqx_19MV4AARSzz.jpg)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on October 30, 2018, 11:12:10 AM
Chironex - love the lighthouse:
Information required.
Sorry to disappoint ye unclebert!
The Old Windmill is a heritage-listed tower mill in Observatory Park adjacent to Wickham Park at 226 Wickham Terrace, Spring Hill, City of Brisbane, Queensland, Australia. It was built in 1820s by convict labour and is the oldest surviving building in Queensland. It is also known as Brisbane Observatory and Windmill Tower. It was added to the Queensland Heritage Register on 21 October 1992. Today it is the centrepiece of Observatory Park.
When it was built it was still part of the colony of New South Wales. The state was named in honour of Queen Victoria, who on 6 June 1859 signed Letters Patent separating the colony from New South Wales.
(https://cs8.pikabu.ru/post_img/2018/11/01/7/1541070089153022710.jpg) (https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.wikimapia.org%2Fp%2F00%2F02%2F19%2F38%2F18_big.jpg&hash=503936db4b2cc093670cf998c56f789c7d2cea01)
Station station Izvaly, line Elec - Dirt. Village Chibisova, Eletsky district, Lipetsk oblast.
How do they keep those wooden houses insulated in Russia? Two feet thick layer of lambs wool?
There's a log cabin inside. And can two walls and between them sawdust or coal slag.
And most importantly, a hot stove.
I missed this one while I was in Brisbane:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3927/15268832707_87df7484c3_b.jpg)
Scratch another old pub. :(
(https://cdn.gdaypubs.com.au/images/photos/large/pub_793.jpg)
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/000cf69d937113f6c352ea9438d4065a?width=1024)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-17/fire-destroys-historic-grand-hotel-outback-queensland-hughenden/10507400 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-17/fire-destroys-historic-grand-hotel-outback-queensland-hughenden/10507400)
Well that is a great pity but as I said before if the will is there it can be rebuilt. It is mostly wood and tin and the cost should not be great. The council was at fault for leaving the building idle. Probably a deliberate policy so they can make a clean sweep and build something new there.
If the replacement building followed the same lines and style, was slightly larger and used modern materials it might still fill the gap. Sometimes simply filling the gap in people's memories is enough. So many buildings in London uses the Victorian facades and replace the buildings behind so it is possible to retain/recreate a look and feel.
Maybe something gets lost in translation from Australian to British money, but the cost would be great, this isn't an Ipswich miners cottage we're talking about. After all, the owners of the Sovereign Hotel are still asking 3.5 million for it, and it's far smaller and less well-cared for.
Well, the will to rebuild is what is needed. In the UK we bulldozed so many multi-chromatic brick and carved stone Victorian buildings. Many are being restored today as the will often exists.
When the original building was created it was just machined and planed wood, corrugated iron, wood windows and doors and some vertical cast iron posts, with stud internal wooden walls, in addition there might be some brick/concrete blocks. A very high rebuild cost is to rebuild it to current standards. There is nothing that could not be done in the same way as the original and the costs would be minimal. The community could recreate that building in 3 months by hand if the will existed.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjonathandallen.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F09%2Fpost-beam-barn-frame-hi-res.jpg&hash=4a7123b5c56cb5d2cb780ba0f7458bdb2198bc4e)
They don't have to carve stone, throw clay to make uniquely shaped bricks, none of that. The original wooden and corrugated iron buildings were thrown together and put up in a matter of weeks. Wood is nailed and screwed, sawed to shape, the structure is almost all wood. The roof is literally thrown on and nailed. The walls are lapped wood planks. When we want a quick building in the UK that is how we build them. See the image above.
Type "timber framed outbuildings" into google to see what we build here: https://www.google.com/search?biw=1057&bih=595&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=djv0W4u9E8XVkwWDkKuoCA&q=timber+framed+outbuildings&oq=timber+framed+outbuildings&gs_l=img.3..0.230278.233012..233208...0.0..0.95.599.9......1....1..gws-wiz-img.4got8r8VjiQ (https://www.google.com/search?biw=1057&bih=595&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=djv0W4u9E8XVkwWDkKuoCA&q=timber+framed+outbuildings&oq=timber+framed+outbuildings&gs_l=img.3..0.230278.233012..233208...0.0..0.95.599.9......1....1..gws-wiz-img.4got8r8VjiQ)
No need for foundations. Doesn't have to be that straight. Water and electricity could be added later with ease just as it was added to the original building on an adhoc basis. The building could be up in a matter of weeks.
For a 5m2 oak frame structure in the UK, with all the wood pre-prepared, planed and cut to size, ready made to assemble into a single storey structure, you'd pay between £3,000 and £5,000 - and that's OAK, another £20 per metre squared for the iron roof. Those prices are not for the trade, those are prices for you and me for finished materials. Sash windows at approx. £350 each. Trade prices would be a fraction of these.
This video shows you how some community help and some heavy lifting machinery builds a wooden building made of heavy, heavy logs. None of that required with 8" posts and planks, they can be manhandled.
Building a 1500sq. ft Off-Grid Cabin in 56 Days (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGbylnMqNLs#)
There is a possibility that these original building skills have been forgotten in the Antipodes, however I doubt it. Get three chippies working in concert who understand timber framed buildings and six months in the frame of the building would be up.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on November 19, 2018, 12:45:34 PM
Well that is a great pity but as I said before if the will is there it can be rebuilt. It is mostly wood and tin and the cost should not be great. The council was at fault for leaving the building idle. Probably a deliberate policy so they can make a clean sweep and build something new there.
If the replacement building followed the same lines and style, was slightly larger and used modern materials it might still fill the gap. Sometimes simply filling the gap in people's memories is enough. So many buildings in London uses the Victorian facades and replace the buildings behind so it is possible to retain/recreate a look and feel.
I don't know how to feel about building a facade that "looks like the real thing." I mostly agree with your statement, and in fact I've pointed to "Georgian Inspired" office buildings in the Austin area and elswhere in the US. But something ineffable is lost in the process.
Take the "Flatiron" building in Manhattan, New York: The Fuller Building as it is known, was completed in 1902, and at 20 stories high it was one of the tallest buildings in New York.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatiron_Building
Fuller Building "Flatiron" in Manhattan, NY. Built 1902
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DseXvZEV4AEiiR2.jpg)
Now fast forward to 2018, in Austin, Texas, the "Silicon Hills" of the United States. Fancy aprtment builders try to copy the Flatiron to build swanky apartments at an engineered community inside North Austin. "The Domain," as they call it, is a mixed residential and commercial section built by private interests (Simon Properties?) to emulate the "vertical" cityscape of Europe and the North-Eastern United States. It mixes a shopping centre with shops and restaurants in the first storey of every building. Not something you see in the West of the US at all, but common in other parst of the world.
Naturally, the edge of their version of the Flatiron has unimpeded views of Downtown Austin's skyline, and while the Austin Flatiron is not finished yet, apartments in the area go to the tune of $1800 USD for a single bed/bath apartment in neigbouring buildings. I can't imagine what the top apartment at the "edge" of the building with a direct view of downtown will cost, $2000? $3000? $5000/mo? This is not even a fancy neighborhood. By all accounts it's reclaimed commercial/office park acreage in Central North Austin, no less that 10 miles from downtown.
The whole building is made of wood. All of it. You can see the Tyvek-brand plastic environmental cover on top of the particle board panels covering the wooden studs. I saw the building today and they're installing thin limestone tile on the forst floor facade, and the rest of the building is finished with smooth stucco, to give the appearance of masonry or stone.
Flatiron apartment buildings in Austin, Texas, July 2018. A 100% wooden building.
You can see the shopping centre in the background, and shops will be integrated into the first floor of the buildings
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DseaHh1UUAAo9RL.jpg)
Artist's impression of finished building. Opening in Spring 2019
Limestone on first storey is being installed. Most stucco, and dark finish is installed now
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dsea7x_U0AATVqm.jpg)
Typical Domain street facades showing apartments/condos above shops and a hotel
Clean and modern, but not very pretty IMHO. BTW That Archer Hotel are a bunch of pretentious hipsters
catering to the IT crowd in Austin
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dseg1XhV4AAg-Fp.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dseh8bdVYAARsLB.jpg)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on November 20, 2018, 05:32:41 PM
This video shows you how some community help and some heavy lifting machinery builds a wooden building made of heavy, heavy logs. None of that required with 8" posts and planks, they can be manhandled.
Big izba. Only they that, from fresh wood a hut cut down? And that will lead not fear? and the walls they than caulk?
Post in Russian as well old chap as well as using auto-translate and then we can do our own translation, the result of a Russian to English auto-translation often ends up lacking any meaning...
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on November 21, 2018, 10:38:55 AM
Post in Russian as well old chap as well as using auto-translate and then we can do our own translation, the result of a Russian to English auto-translation often ends up lacking any meaning...
Good. Try again.
So build - izba. Traditional Russian houses made of logs. But this house is more than just a izba.
I was surprised. I thought they were using the logs they just cut down. But such a log, can eventually bend. Are they afraid?
Between the logs in this house need to put the soft material. Whatever the cracks. Tow or moss. I didn't understand what those builders were using.
I have seen them using a mud-based clay to seal the gaps between logs.
I suppose those logs may be made from seasoned timber or simply from trees that don't bend much? The weight of the cabin would tend to keep them straight. Regardless, I would not suggest building from logs as we have much lighter (seasoned) planks than can be manhandled.
Back to that hotel in Oz. I would suggest rebuilding material costs of £80,000 approx. with 15% overrun to cover contingencies. If done merely to the same standards as the original and using the same building methods. Then costs above that are simply labour. Additional services, electricity, plumbing can be added piecemeal as required just as it was done originally. There was no electricity when that was built and probably very little plumbing. No insulation, no double-glazing.
If the community cares enough about the building then it could rebuild it. Wood is wood and tin is tin.
To show you an example of how it can be done.
This was my local pub (in the snow)
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/12/34/87/c4/the-red-lion.jpg)
(https://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/05/54/05/5540588_e9cf9db1.jpg)
And in the summer...
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redlion.biz%2Fimages%2Fleftimg.history.2.jpg&hash=570aef8e51185ba54dd02ae2a118db34123d446e)
This is how it looked at the turn of last century.
In 2001 it burnt to the ground, not a wall nor chimney was left above shoulder height. The top two photos above show it AFTER the rebuild.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-Kvf3zgaN8NM%2FUmQGzerId7I%2FAAAAAAAABF4%2F-wx3ckck78k%2Fs400%2FPubInside.JPG&hash=646f164d0e30be1ed439b14658664193ad6abe3c)
It was rebuilt in oak and wattle/daub, imperial brick and the roof was re-thatched. The original oak timbers were planed to remove the carbon and re-used where possible. The stone floor tiles were just as they had been originally laid, a good brush, sorted them. If you went inside today you would never know, it has the same floor plan, rebuilt using the same materials and has the same function, a 16th century pub that has served beer and food within those walls for four hundred years!
It is all about will. If the community cares enough it can rebuild.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs0.geograph.org.uk%2Fphotos%2F92%2F01%2F920101_dd616d9d.jpg&hash=66b1be875e1949da3e71a2c7ffa03964d383b34d)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on November 21, 2018, 05:22:22 PM
I have seen them using a mud-based clay to seal the gaps between logs.
I suppose those logs may be made from seasoned timber or simply from trees that don't bend much? The weight of the cabin would tend to keep them straight. Regardless, I would not suggest building from logs as we have much lighter (seasoned) planks than can be manhandled.
Back to that hotel in Oz. I would suggest rebuilding material costs of £80,000 approx. with 15% overrun to cover contingencies. If done merely to the same standards as the original and using the same building methods. Then costs above that are simply labour. Additional services, electricity, plumbing can be added piecemeal as required just as it was done originally. There was no electricity when that was built and probably very little plumbing. No insulation, no double-glazing.
If the community cares enough about the building then it could rebuild it. Wood is wood and tin is tin.
To show you an example of how it can be done.
This was my local pub (in the snow)
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/12/34/87/c4/the-red-lion.jpg)
(https://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/05/54/05/5540588_e9cf9db1.jpg)
And in the summer...
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.redlion.biz%2Fimages%2Fleftimg.history.2.jpg&hash=570aef8e51185ba54dd02ae2a118db34123d446e)
This is how it looked at the turn of last century.
In 2001 it burnt to the ground, not a wall nor chimney was left above shoulder height. The top two photos above show it AFTER the rebuild.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-Kvf3zgaN8NM%2FUmQGzerId7I%2FAAAAAAAABF4%2F-wx3ckck78k%2Fs400%2FPubInside.JPG&hash=646f164d0e30be1ed439b14658664193ad6abe3c)
It was rebuilt in oak and wattle/daub, imperial brick and the roof was re-thatched. The original oak timbers were planed to remove the carbon and re-used where possible. The stone floor tiles were just as they had been originally laid, a good brush, sorted them. If you went inside today you would never know, it has the same floor plan, rebuilt using the same materials and has the same function, a 16th century pub that has served beer and food within those walls for four hundred years!
It is all about will. If the community cares enough it can rebuild.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fs0.geograph.org.uk%2Fphotos%2F92%2F01%2F920101_dd616d9d.jpg&hash=66b1be875e1949da3e71a2c7ffa03964d383b34d)
I think conservation is much more present in Europe that it is in North America (save for Mexico). In the US a good deal of the problem is the State-wide building regulations. There are no real Federal guidelines for it, and it is left up to each state to decide how to maintain, keep and replace historical buildings. The implication is that there is no real effort being made to preserve architecture as a cultural heritage. If I understand correctly, In Mexico City, there are guidelines to preserve each burrough's original character. But since Mexican architects are not hog-tied by restrictive regulation, they are free to reproduce ancient building techniques as needed.
A big part of it is simply not "being afraid" of building the way it was done hundreds of years ago. Let the engineers do their job and actually compute material properties from some real First Principles of Physics and not rely so much on local government regulation tables and charts intended for construction workers and architects. After all, those old buildings have been standing for much longer than the new 20th C. buildings!
Australia tends to have multiple levels of heritage protection. The national heritage list includes buildings and places like convict buildings, dinosaur bone sites and even a mining city. State-level protection, like Heritage Victoria, has just stopped the demolition of Festival Hall, an building used for band performances like the Beatles and boxing/wrestling. Local councils can also put a heritage overlay or similar convenants on the land to restrict how it can be (re)developed. This particularly became an issue in 2016 when the Corkman Irish Pub (built 1857) was demolished without council permission. (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3846268/Melbourne-s-Carlton-pub-unlawfully-demolished.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3846268/Melbourne-s-Carlton-pub-unlawfully-demolished.html)).
The last level of "protection" I can think of is to give the building or its management to the National Trust of Australia. They endeavour to maintain and restore places of significance, provided they have the funds to do so, but they are an independent organisation so they have no power, just a fair bit of influence.
Well, clearly not enough powers and not the will to change them.
In the city where I grew up there was a bluestone cold store, with the highest level of state protection available. It was demolished over a long weekend, when there wasn't anyone around to do anything to stop the demolition. The fine for so demolishing was pitiful!
Quote from: Banfili on November 23, 2018, 04:43:07 AM
In the city where I grew up there was a bluestone cold store, with the highest level of state protection available. It was demolished over a long weekend, when there wasn't anyone around to do anything to stop the demolition. The fine for so demolishing was pitiful!
The willpower to protect these buildings is not there in Australia, not enough of you care about your past. There are many that simply do not care and think it can be safely swept away and replaced by more modern buildings assuming modern is better but knowing it will make them more money. Simply, put the community will is NOT there.
It is up to you to change that, you and others like you getting together and insisting the rules are changed. That is the first expression of the will to fix these things.
I understand you. We have the same thing - money to kill the story.
Australia's problem is recognising what needs to be retained. We only have about 220 years of European settlement. Prior to that, there is little understood recorded history. Knowing which 30-50 year old building needs to be treasured, or which trees may be indigenously significant, is not something that every land owner thinks about unfortunately. Regardless of what the laws may say, things slip through either due to naivety, neglect or nastiness.
That said, there are some great Victorian-era landmarks that we have saved.
Where there's a will, there's a way. The results are surprising when the community cares to preserve.
There's a small city called Cuernavaca about 1,5 hrs by car from Mexico City, a winter/summertime resort since Aztec times for wealthy dwellers in the big city. The attraction of the small city is it's lower altitude and much warmer tropical-like climate compared to the big city. Among the summer homes of the wealthy and the quaint small-town colonial architecture you will find this building: Hernan Cortez' vacation home! If you remember, Hernan Cortez was the Spanish Conquistador who brought down the Aztec Empire when he conquered Tenochtitlan (Mexico City) in 1521. This house was built in 1526, just 5 years after the Conquest. It has been occupied continuously ever since,
Hernan Cortez' vacation home in Cuernavaca, Mexico (1526)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_Cort%C3%A9s,_Cuernavaca
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Cuernavaca_Palacio_Cortes.JPG/800px-Cuernavaca_Palacio_Cortes.JPG)
QuoteAs Cortés's residence, it reached its height in the 1530s, but the family eventually abandoned it due to on-going legal troubles. In the 18th century, colonial authorities had the structure renovated and used it as a barracks and jail. During the Mexican War of Independence, it held prisoners such as José María Morelos y Pavón. After the war, it became the seat of government for the state of Morelos until the late 20th century, when the state government moved out and the structure was renovated and converted into the current Museo Regional Cuauhnahuac, or regional museum, with exhibits on the history of Morelos.
This structure is famous for being the oldest standing private (non government) property in the Americas. Also it suffers from the infamy of probably being the first house ever to be foreclosed in the Americas (!) I guess even if you are a Conquistador you can have your property taken by the bank...
Mr Wilhelm. That is a very intriguing piece of history. The building is almost medieval.
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on November 26, 2018, 02:28:18 PM
Mr Wilhelm. That is a very intriguing piece of history. The building is almost medieval.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it missed being mediaeval by just 34 years... Many historians mark the end of the Mediaeval Period as 1492. The Spanish conquerors WERE essentially mediaeval people. And they brought with them Mediaeval foods as well, part of which, mixed with the Native is Mexican cuisine and culture.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on November 27, 2018, 01:06:32 AM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on November 26, 2018, 02:28:18 PM
Mr Wilhelm. That is a very intriguing piece of history. The building is almost medieval.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it missed being mediaeval by just 34 years... Many historians mark the end of the Mediaeval Period as 1492. The Spanish conquerors WERE essentially mediaeval people. And they brought with them Mediaeval foods as well, part of which, mixed with the Native is Mexican cuisine and culture.
A Mexican culture and cuisine that went global immediately and has remained popular. Which begs the question - Did Native Central Americans bring civilisation and modernisation to the Western world?
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on November 27, 2018, 05:28:20 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on November 27, 2018, 01:06:32 AM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on November 26, 2018, 02:28:18 PM
Mr Wilhelm. That is a very intriguing piece of history. The building is almost medieval.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it missed being mediaeval by just 34 years... Many historians mark the end of the Mediaeval Period as 1492. The Spanish conquerors WERE essentially mediaeval people. And they brought with them Mediaeval foods as well, part of which, mixed with the Native is Mexican cuisine and culture.
A Mexican culture and cuisine that went global immediately and has remained popular. Which begs the question - Did Native Central Americans bring civilisation and modernisation to the Western world?
Civilization was brought to the Western world by the Romans, then it went dormant for several centuries. Modernism was created by the West when they adopted all of the best things from all of the other cultures that they traded with and developed a new culture of trade, technology, literacy, and refinement. And who was the founder of Modern Civilization? Marco Polo.
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on November 27, 2018, 05:28:20 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on November 27, 2018, 01:06:32 AM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on November 26, 2018, 02:28:18 PM
Mr Wilhelm. That is a very intriguing piece of history. The building is almost medieval.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it missed being mediaeval by just 34 years... Many historians mark the end of the Mediaeval Period as 1492. The Spanish conquerors WERE essentially mediaeval people. And they brought with them Mediaeval foods as well, part of which, mixed with the Native is Mexican cuisine and culture.
A Mexican culture and cuisine that went global immediately and has remained popular. Which begs the question - Did Native Central Americans bring civilisation and modernisation to the Western world?
Civilisation is a mixed bag. I think that a better explanation is that the clash of cultures is responsible for civilisation.
If you look at Native America, it had remained stuck in the Bronze age for a very long time, while Eurasia flew past that stage many centuries earlier, ie China. Arguably, in North America (US and Canada, outside of Mesoamerica) people were still stuck in the stone age while Mesoamerica and the Inca were far more advanced. So progress is not a straight line. Simultaneously, the Native in Mesoamerica managed to bring about three critical developments entirely on their own - no help from the outside - and ON TIME compared to the rest of the world: 1) Hybrid writing system including syllabic and logographic alphabet 2) Number system. 3) Mathematical arithmetic including concept of zero. Controversially, there is some recent archaelogical finding that the Mayan Zero and number system predate the Indian numerical system including the concept of zero - but the Europeans got the Indian version first and the Roman/Greek alphabets first and only understood the Mayan alphabet and number system centuries later.
But the clash of culture is critical for advancement. Otherwise, like the Mayan alphabet it can be lost and forgotten in a jungle somewhere for centuries, not advancing anyone's culture. Warfare. Conquest. Assimilation. These are the tools of progress. The Indian number system made it to Spain by way of conflict with the Caliphates. Then during the time of the Conquest, the Spanish and the Portuguese in their race to connect East and West were literally splitting the world in half with the blessing of the Church (Treaty of Tordesillas, 1494 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tordesillas). They were the superpowers of the time. And there was one critical aspect of the Iberian Perninsula that subsequent empires lacked:
The Spanish Empire was far more illuminated than the British Empire centuries later in the sense the Spanish Crown was pushing for complete assimilation, perhaps not for the entire Spanish Empire, but at least for the American territories. Famously, Queen Isabella of Castile, upon being informed that they had stumbled on millions of inhabitants in the Americas, became tremendously flustered and asked the question: "What am I to consider these people, my slaves or my vassals?" This set the tone for the Spanish Empire. Along with blending of colour of skin came blending of culture, and a lot came from that mix, including food. I think we all know from history that the Spanish penchant for cultural assimilation was a learned behaviour from the Spanish Caliphates, combining Moorish and Jewish culture (including the mathematics we use today, like Algebra), even if they ended up kicking the Moors and Jewish off the Iberian Peninsula.
But what is less talked about is that the Mediaeval Spanish kings, Isabel and Ferdinand and all other thereafter in the Habsburg lineage) - who were Germanic kings by definition - first inherited the philosophy of ethnic assimilation from the ancient Spanish Visigoth kings. Only the Visigoths understood that racial isolation was a destabilising force in a kingdom, and that assimilation was necessary, and that, believe it or not, is the source of the racial and cultural miscegination in Spanish America. The Visigoths, as almost any other German tribe that touched Spain, like the Vandals and Suebi, were trying to appropriate the greatness of Rome - literally claim it as their own (cultural appropriation by definition). All the German tribes in Europe took over the remains of Rome little by little and claimed themselves the rulers of the Roman-Celtic people all over Europe. The trick is how you go about - as a pagan or quasi-Christian minority - conquring a majority of well educated Christians. The Visgoths decided to integrate with the locals (I forget which specific king/chieftain came to that conclusion - if any Germanophiles here know the answer to that, feel free to chime in).
Note that even the Rune alphabet of the ancient Germans was of latin origin!! It was based on the Latin alphabet! The reason the Germans learned how to read and write was due to conflict with Rome!!! At what developmental level were the Germans around 1 AD, would you say? Compare that to Native America. The legacy of Rome was appropriated in the Holy Roman Empire, which as you heard in school many times, was neither holy nor Roman! So what happened? Conflict. Conflict happened. The Germans advanced through conflict and took over a continent. Their wanderlust then took them to the Americas (starting with the Scandinavian Leif Ericksson!) Conflict and conquest spreads culture. Today even Mexicans have a bit of German in them, by way of the Ancient Visigoth Spanish kings, and later the Hapbsburg kings, later by direct immigration in the 19th. C (confirmed by genetic studies, even if that makes Donald Trump cringe :D :D :D )
I think Westerners today will very reluctantly admit the Native influence - assuming they're educated enough to know the historical details. But either way even the Mexican themselves, like the ancient German tribes fighting Rome, needed to be found, conquer territories or be conquered, for them to not remain stuck in the stone age.
Those are strong points to ponder Mr Wilhelm. It has certainly given me something to think about.
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on November 28, 2018, 02:06:38 AM
Those are strong points to ponder Mr Wilhelm. It has certainly given me something to think about.
History is fun. I find myself musing much about it. Now that it seems the US is splitting at the seams I find myself very much thinking about the difference between Spanish America vs. British America... BTW I found the name of the Visigoth King with the spark of wisdom (not that anyone cares in this thread, but his vision had profound consequences for the world): Reccared I* a/k/a Balthes, King of Hispania (559 AD-609 AD - far right in picture below)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtFJx84VsAAVxHE.jpg)
* Son of Liuvigild and brother of Hermenegild, Married to Bada, father to Suintila and Liuva :D They all had funky names back then.
From Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visigoths
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reccared_I
Quote from Wiki:
In or around 589, the Visigoths under Reccared I converted from Arianism to Nicene Christianity, gradually adopting the culture of their Hispano-Roman subjects.[4] Their legal code, the Visigothic Code (completed in 654) abolished the longstanding practice of applying different laws for Romans and Visigoths. Once legal distinctions were no longer being made between Romani and Gothi, they became known collectively as Hispani. In the century that followed, the region was dominated by the Councils of Toledo and the episcopacy. (Little else is known about the Visigoths' history during the 7th century, since records are relatively sparse.) In 711 or 712, a force of invading North African Moors defeated the Visigoths in the Battle of Guadalete. Their king and many members of their governing elite were killed, and their kingdom rapidly collapsed. Gothic identity survived, however, especially in Marca Hispanica and the Kingdom of Asturias, which had been founded by the Visigothic nobleman Pelagius of Asturias after his victory over the Moors at the Battle of Covadonga.
I feel a mini series in the grand style coming on... They must have led colourful lives and had dramatic battles. Religion, fighting, intrigue and scandalous behaviours.
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on November 29, 2018, 03:31:29 PM
I feel a mini series in the grand style coming on... They must have led colourful lives and had dramatic battles. Religion, fighting, intrigue and scandalous behaviours.
I'm sure they did. The world of Germans, Celts and Moorish Caliphates between 700 AD and 1491 was very similar, and I'm guessing a good inspiration for the poeples in Game of Thrones and JRR Tolikien's Lord of the Rings.
But back to architecture... Our friends @KineticKennons are now in Mexico's second most important silver mining town, Taxco de Alarcon a/k/a Taxco (pronounced "Tasco"), in the State of Guerrero ("Warrior")... Not steampunk, perhaps more Fantasy, but the Spanish version of the Native community (an Aztec principality in 1445) was founded in 1528. Probably the hilly-est town anywhere in the world, the altitude of the city streets varies between 5666 ft and 6335 ft of altitude above sea level. It was the second most important silver mining town in the New Spain, and it still is a mining town and silversmithing centre today.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtMocv3U8AA1yJ3.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtMgYltUcAAfJS2.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtMgWqpUUAABKYC.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtMgbhAV4AEgcQE.jpg)
The young couple from Dallas had previosuly visited the State of Puebla, and climbed one of three volcanoes (Popocatepetl, Iztlaciahuatl, and Nevado de Toluca), at hights nearing 15000 ft (starting point at which you already need supplemental oxygen), near the City of Puebla and Mexico City (these volcanoes surround the giant "Valley of Mexico", (For Americans, this is roughly equal politically and geographically to the States of Virginia and Maryland around Washington DC):
Nevado de Toluca, a dormant volcano, at roughly 12000 ft altitude (peak around 15000 ft)
Near the City of Toluca and Mexico City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtMnUz_U8AE4bic.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DskHyk_UUAAihoh.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DskHzoOVYAE0s57.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DskHzH7UwAAZzaI.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DskH0YpUcAAYLg7.jpg)
High Fantasy indeed :D New Zealand: You're not the only Fantasy spot ;) We can do a miniseries here too
Fantasy UK here - but with buildings.
(https://i.imgur.com/IgUiFu9.jpg)
Glenfinnan
Back on Track
(https://i.imgur.com/zn3t7X1.jpg)
Loch Awe 26 miles long, near my house...
(https://i.imgur.com/ccOn3yJ.jpg)
Loch Shiel
(https://i.imgur.com/B63bz7b.jpg)
Loch Ness
(https://i.imgur.com/hMusI3H.jpg)
Eilean Donan
(https://i.imgur.com/RcsC0sF.jpg)
.. Mr Wilhelm and Uncle Bert... Them fighting words... sadly there is not much to fight back with. Lord help us if the best we can do is horrible hobbits and their hideous hovels in hobbiton. Oh and the fake Japanese village on the foot hills of a volcano, waiting dormant for the tiny Tom Cruise to return.
Here are a few other NZ film locations with a more steam related potential
From the Frighteners
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQNtNaPTals8Y6Q9w4f60r4NcA0UbSpktnIfmtByEPGr0Nlh7RL)
The Piano [setting up with your furniture] on the beach
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSo2MZlPDQNX6ZhJo96EEbXfAKT8IyX-4B3bHCYS0G2q735aAxs)
(https://www.backpackerguide.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/ThePiano2.jpg)
I think you need 'real' buildings rather than just film prop facades to enter the race. This is a house I used to pass daily, this is just a Google Maps photo - apologies as I am currently 150 miles away and my tele-photo zoom isn't man enough.
This house is sufficiently spooky as you pass it at night and it is 'real'.
(https://i.imgur.com/gSj3nCT.jpg)
New Zealand's problem is - not enough castles. You need to get building.
Next door to that house is another that has fallen on harder times but has recently been restored, this shows you what can be done with the will, if you have it.
(https://i.imgur.com/LTC5wzm.jpg)
This is the old house from the rear, fully restored. The protruding annexe and the building to the right of the second main vertical facade is all new. There was a greenhouse there before.
(https://i.imgur.com/NffjI38.jpg)
This is the front elevation - all new.
The new street elevation replaces a flat-roof 'modern' addition that was built by idiots in the age when people thought 20th Century Germanic box style buildings looked good. Those have now been demolished and a new facade that matches the rest of the street has been constructed from traditional materials.
If you want to have a look at the buildings in that particular road in Oxford then this is the google street view URL https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7626398,-1.2594002,3a,75y,80.94h,85.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBVQRR2EoV1K62owyf7W5Aw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@51.7626398,-1.2594002,3a,75y,80.94h,85.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBVQRR2EoV1K62owyf7W5Aw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Hmmm, New Zealand. We can include NZ in the next theme as you have a few of these.
Cricket Pavilions - steamy in style if not function. Cricket throughout the old Empire, Oz has a few too. I expect some good ones.
(https://s3.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/lbimg/101/047/099/101047099-133520-800.jpg)
PS. The horrible hobbits you mentioned aren't meant to be in NZ at all. Hobbiton and Bywater are meant to be set in the rural rolling countryside of North Oxfordshire and Warwickshire.
Are you suggesting New Zealand has turret envy...
We do have cricket pavilions in this far flung part of the Empire. Being one to avoid cricket, I may not be showing the best examples here
Auckland Domain
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTNUrndvGZ6tXi4Df9lF1cLCLyl7h0HvycmqgOet2mGINtl5ydQ)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTugySRwxJmQEHPYYKDcXTO5xbdAeLgBQPTyzHt9aJxnuhBcru9)
Bert Sutcliffe Pavilion Christchurch
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww4.pictures.zimbio.com%2Fgi%2FBert%2BSutcliffe%2BOval%2BNew%2BZealand%2Bv%2BEngland%2B-xzMQZhId_yl.jpg&hash=8d60ba2edf34e7d1374cac4228b93a40c7a44b37)
Northland pavilion Whangarei
(https://northcricket.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/thepavillion.jpg)
Lake Wakatipu [extra points for pith helmets]
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSjVuEfBjOzUWnz_FSo0Y5ZqrbgceXHL07Di1nalAFtvtjPx0il)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/StateLibQld_1_15078_Woolloongabba_Cricket_Ground,_1899.jpg)
By Contributor(s): Queenslander (Brisbane, Qld.:1866 - 1939) - Item is held by John Oxley Library, State Library of Queensland, Public Domain. The "Gabba", Woolongong, Brisbane, c. 1899.
(https://assets.atdw-online.com.au/images/4364d2439a6227426632ed04fad3ed60.jpeg?rect=86,0,2053,1540&w=1200)
Looks nothing like it now.
But, at least it has close by:
(https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/1e54798defbc62bfa9d0674c3ee70a0b?width=1024)
The disused Broadway Hotel;
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/81/213701880_9dfbb0e0c5_z.jpg?zz=1)
Norman Hotel;
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwag.com.au%2Ffiles%2F8813%2F5605%2F7206%2FWAG_Building.jpg&hash=8ad95f8a5a6fb3d14a053bbd7477a937a7abf433)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Phoenix_Buildings,_Woolloongabba.jpg/1200px-Phoenix_Buildings,_Woolloongabba.jpg)
These commercial buildings;
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fd/Woolloongabba_Post_Office_(former),_1905.JPG/1200px-Woolloongabba_Post_Office_(former),_1905.JPG)
The old post office;
(https://www.ohta.org.au/confs/Qld/WooloongabbaLutheran1.jpg)
Nazareth Lutheran Church;
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ab/Princess_Theatre,_Woolloongabba.jpg/1200px-Princess_Theatre,_Woolloongabba.jpg)
Princess Theatre;
(https://www.ohta.org.au/confs/Qld/WooloongabbaAng3.jpg)
Holy Trinity Anglican;
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Woolloongabba_Police_Station_2.jpg/1200px-Woolloongabba_Police_Station_2.jpg)
Old police station;
(https://media1.agfg.com.au/images/listing/3631/gallery/brewhouse-woolloongabba-restaurants-qld-01.jpg)
Brewhouse;
(https://www.gdaypubs.com.au/images/photos/large/pub_64542.jpg)
Morrison Hotel.
This was once there:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d7/StateLibQld_2_54212_John_Evans's_Drapery_Establishment_in_Logan_Road,_Woolloongabba,_Brisbane,_1900.jpg/800px-StateLibQld_2_54212_John_Evans's_Drapery_Establishment_in_Logan_Road,_Woolloongabba,_Brisbane,_1900.jpg)
c.1900.
And it is the site of the "Fiveways (https://tdu.to/123261.msg)": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolloongabba_Fiveways (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woolloongabba_Fiveways)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/StateLibQld_1_44075_Busy_street_scene_outside_the_Woolloongabba_Hotel,_ca._1929.jpg)
1929
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/StateLibQld_1_15622_Fiveways_at_Woolloongabba,_1900.jpg)
1900
That picture of Brisbane's cricket ground, I know which Brisbane I'd prefer to visit. The later one looks like any other American city. The Norman Hotel and the Princess Theatre look like places to visit though the XXXX symbol on the roof of the Norman decries the standard of beer to be found there...
Gonville and Caius College's cricket Pavilion.
(https://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/05/16/19/5161975_9dfda1e4.jpg)
(https://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/16/29/2162947_f8c78ff6.jpg)
Lots more Antipodean Pavilions out there I am sure. There is also bound to be at least one in Patagonia somewhere.
(https://heritagecalling.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/the-tabernacle-1.jpg?w=640&h=425)
The Tabernacle Cricket Pavilion. Mote Cricket Club.
You missed the best bit of Fiveways...
The signalbox in the middle of the road to cater for the trains, trams, trucks and transient transport.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/StateLibQld_1_43475_Gabba_Fiveways_at_Woolloongabba%2C_Brisbane%2C_ca._1929.jpg/800px-StateLibQld_1_43475_Gabba_Fiveways_at_Woolloongabba%2C_Brisbane%2C_ca._1929.jpg)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on December 01, 2018, 01:25:53 PM
That picture of Brisbane's cricket ground, I know which Brisbane I'd prefer to visit. The later one looks like any other American city. The Norman Hotel and the Princess Theatre look like places to visit though the XXXX symbol on the roof of the Norman decries the standard of beer to be found there...
Gonville and Caius College's cricket Pavilion.
(https://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/05/16/19/5161975_9dfda1e4.jpg)
(https://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/16/29/2162947_f8c78ff6.jpg)
The Princess is a charming small building. There's a few of those downtown. And I was going to comment that it needed barber shop. Seems my instinct was right :D
The Broadway Hotel, oddly reminds me of the Neo Baroque buildings in Mexico City's downtown neighborhoods.
The Holy Trinity and Nazareth look like so many churches in the Southern US.
The XXXX on the Norman would be interpreted as a no-good seedy inner city spot in the US.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on December 01, 2018, 06:10:17 PM
The XXXX on the Norman would be interpreted as a no-good seedy inner city spot in the US.
Understood but a pint of XXXX or "Four X" will soon put you to rights - not a very good beer.
You realise you can just order a different beer?
The Australians can't read or spell so they label beer with 4 xs
That's Queenslanders, Hurricane, Queenslanders! The rest of us can spell quite well!
Quote from: chironex on December 01, 2018, 11:21:07 PM
You realise you can just order a different beer?
That is like a posh restaurant putting the MacDonalds M outside. We know what it means and it doesn't help the place one bit...
Quote from: Banfili on December 02, 2018, 09:17:52 AM
That's Queenslanders, Hurricane, Queenslanders! The rest of us can spell quite well!
Sorry I couldn't resist. :-[
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on December 02, 2018, 10:06:04 AM
Quote from: chironex on December 01, 2018, 11:21:07 PM
You realise you can just order a different beer?
That is like a posh restaurant putting the MacDonalds M outside. We know what it means and it doesn't help the place one bit...
No, there still wouldn't be any McDonalds inside if it were a posh restaurant. A Fourex sign outside the pub doesn't mean you can't get a glass of Captain Morgan Old Spiced inside.
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on December 02, 2018, 10:34:16 AM
Quote from: Banfili on December 02, 2018, 09:17:52 AM
That's Queenslanders, Hurricane, Queenslanders! The rest of us can spell quite well!
Sorry I couldn't resist. :-[
You should be the one to type. You've all been known to rush madly through responses without proofreading them.
Quote from: Banfili on December 02, 2018, 09:17:52 AM
That's Queenslanders, Hurricane, Queenslanders! The rest of us can spell quite well!
Hello, above national average here.
Someone's on the defensive!
To make you happy:
(https://i.imgur.com/FSvacVB.jpg)
Sydney's old cricket pavilion
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on December 02, 2018, 10:06:04 AM
Quote from: chironex on December 01, 2018, 11:21:07 PM
You realise you can just order a different beer?
That is like a posh restaurant putting the MacDonalds M outside. We know what it means and it doesn't help the place one bit...
This is true for Japan though. Have you seen THEIR Mc Donalds?
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on December 01, 2018, 09:06:10 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on December 01, 2018, 06:10:17 PM
The XXXX on the Norman would be interpreted as a no-good seedy inner city spot in the US.
Understood but a pint of XXXX or "Four X" will soon put you to rights - not a very good beer.
The funny part is, we have a beer called XX in Mexico. It's semi-decent beer. Nowhere close to the bottom of the barrel, Corona (pun intended) I just caught sight of this lorry a few days ago here in the US:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtcLKBTUwAAYyty.jpg)
Dos Equis (XX - introduced in 1897) is a brand of Moctezuma Brewery, which is a Victorian Era business (Est 1890 - officially listed in the Victorian Brands thread)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtcSTNiU8AASpfE.png)
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Moctezuma Brewery
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on December 02, 2018, 09:40:49 PM
This is true for Japan though. Have you seen THEIR Mc Donalds?
I have to tell the truth, I believe I have never eaten at McDonalds though I have eaten at the competitor Burger King at a railway station when the train was cancelled.
-oOo-
(https://i.imgur.com/OwFt0k4.jpg)
Another nice cricket pavilion, not particularly steamy but an example of a recent rebuild in an old style showing it can be done if there is the will. It is the cricket pavilion of the Henley Cricket Club, brand new in 2010. Replacing an older pavilion dating from the 1890s that needed repair and updating, the new one is identical in form and function. This one is just a little larger, more up to date with regard to insulation and amenities but it is still just a wooden hut.
PS I once made love to the most beautiful of girls on the verandah of the old cricket pavilion. Forgive me for sharing that.
(https://i.imgur.com/s7bo6HA.jpg)
This is the design for a redesigned Oval cricket ground, new classical porticos with columns to replace the smaller modern structures - a rather large cricket pavilion.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on December 03, 2018, 12:49:37 AM
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Moctezuma Brewery
Nice picture. That is the Cuahtemoc Brewery in Monterrey founded in 1890 by Isaac Garza-Garza, José A. Muguerza, Joseph M. Schnaider y Francisco Sada-Muguerza. It goes without saying that Schnaider was the resident German immigrant. The one I posted above is the Moctezuma brewery in the mountain town of Orizaba (1896) next to the railroad station, It was founded by Enrique Mantey y Guillermo Haase, another German immigrant in Mexico. Cuahtemoc and Moctezuma merged in 1988 and now are a subsidiary of Heineken International.
Germans also were present in large numbers in the beach town of Mazatlan in the State of Sinaloa where they founded the Pacifico Brewery (also included in the Victorian Food Brands list)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Mazatlan_Viejo_238_%2813089363625%29.jpg)
Both definitely steamy factories (literally).
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on December 03, 2018, 01:39:57 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/s7bo6HA.jpg)
This is the design for a redesigned Oval cricket ground, new classical porticos with columns to replace the smaller modern structures - a rather large cricket pavilion.
I'd say. They should rename it the Cricket Coliseum!
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on December 03, 2018, 07:31:07 AM
I'd say. They should rename it the Cricket Coliseum!
You can say you coined the name!
More cricket pavilions.
(https://i.imgur.com/QDSbagm.jpg)
Worcester College Oxford
and another modern creation.
(https://i.imgur.com/jypYvE7.jpg)
Beaudesert Park Yorkshire
I don't know if this counts as a "pavilion." It belongs to Fenway park in Boston Massachusetts, the oldest operating baseball park in the USA, which dates to 1912 (The second oldest would be Wrigley Field). The actual park is much larger than you'd think, as bleachers and stands have been added through the decades, and so this brick building is just a small facade facing the street...
Fenway Park, Boston Massachusetts (Esd. 1912)
Home to the Boston Red Sox
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuQM4DfVAAAkbsq.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4f/131023-F-PR861-033_Hanscom_participates_in_World_Series_pregame_events.jpg/1280px-131023-F-PR861-033_Hanscom_participates_in_World_Series_pregame_events.jpg)
QuoteThe Boston Red Sox are an American professional baseball team based in Boston, Massachusetts. The Red Sox compete in Major League Baseball (MLB) as a member club of the American League (AL) East division. The Red Sox have won nine World Series championships, most recently in 2018, and they have played in 13. In addition, they won the 1904 American League pennant, but were not able to defend their 1903 World Series championship when the New York Giants refused to participate in the 1904 World Series. Founded in 1901 as one of the American League's eight charter franchises, the Red Sox' home ballpark has been Fenway Park since 1912. The "Red Sox" name was chosen by the team owner, John I. Taylor, circa 1908, following the lead of previous teams that had been known as the "Boston Red Stockings", including the forerunner of the Atlanta Braves.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/6d/RedSoxPrimary_HangingSocks.svg/102px-RedSoxPrimary_HangingSocks.svg.png)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/Boston_Red_Sox_cap_logo.svg/74px-Boston_Red_Sox_cap_logo.svg.png)
The "Boston Americans" in 1901, who eventually were nicknamed the "Boston Red Sox" in 1907
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Boston_Americans_team_picture.jpg)
QuoteFenway Park
Since 1912, it has been the home for the Boston Red Sox, the city's American League baseball team, and since 1953, its only Major League Baseball (MLB) franchise. It is the oldest ballpark in Major League Baseball.[9] Because of its age and constrained location in Boston's dense Fenway–Kenmore neighborhood, the park has been renovated or expanded many times, resulting in quirky heterogeneous features including "The Triangle" (below), Pesky's Pole, and the Green Monster in left field. It is the fourth-smallest among MLB ballparks by seating capacity, second-smallest by total capacity, and one of eight that cannot accommodate at least 40,000 spectators.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/ALE-BOS-Fenway.PNG)
Take me out to the Ball Game, song (1908 version)
Click to play 1908 recording
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MeekerBallGame.ogg
The song's chorus is traditionally sung during the middle of the seventh inning of a baseball game. Fans are generally encouraged to sing along, and at some ballparks, the words "home team" are replaced with the team name.
QuoteKatie Casey was baseball mad,
Had the fever and had it bad.
Just to root for the home town crew,
Ev'ry sou1
Katie blew.
On a Saturday her young beau
Called to see if she'd like to go
To see a show, but Miss Kate said "No,
I'll tell you what you can do:"
Chorus
Take me out to the ball game,
Take me out with the crowd;
Buy me some peanuts and Cracker Jack,
I don't care if I never get back.
Let me root, root, root for the home team,
If they don't win, it's a shame.
For it's one, two, three strikes, you're out,
At the old ball game.
Katie Casey saw all the games,
Knew the players by their first names.
Told the umpire he was wrong,
All along,
Good and strong.
When the score was just two to two,
Katie Casey knew what to do,
Just to cheer up the boys she knew,
She made the gang sing this song:
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Way to mess stuff up. I'm sure there must be a better way to aircondition the place. This place has been here as long as I can remember, but I can't seem to place a time period (schizo tech?)
This has been left in place like a monument to past industry:
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The top building was an ugly duckling that grew up into an albatross.
The bottom one is the beauty. A chimney declaring itself to be a tower!
Quote from: chironex on January 07, 2019, 05:37:49 AM
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Way to mess stuff up. I'm sure there must be a better way to aircondition the place. This place has been here as long as I can remember, but I can't seem to place a time period (schizo tech?)
This has been left in place like a monument to past industry:
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/intermediary/f/f1dc123b-d2e5-45bf-86f8-17e457f3c264/dcwfmv4-72bd8db1-037a-4886-9f17-c41dcfdbe106.jpg/v1/fill/w_774,h_1032,q_70,strp/monument_to_industry_by_thoughtengine_dcwfmv4-pre.jpg)
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That Murrell building very much looks like a 1920s - 1930s Art Déco building. The giveaway is the curved corners of the building. There was no ductwork for central heating or cooling. Even by the 1950s, unless someone built ductwork and covered it with a false ceiling.
I can see Ms. Phryne Fisher investigating a murder there.
Pictures from yesteryear:
Hotel Regis, Mexico City. The building was finished in 1910, and stood until the 1985 Magnitude 8.2 earthquake which killed thousands of people.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwct8hFVAAEgbSW?format=jpg&name=medium)
Moorish Style kiosk at Alameda Central Park in Mexico City, ca. 1900
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwcuVG5U8AEpJHU?format=jpg&name=900x900)
The Alameda Central Park in Mexico City is the oldest park in the Americas
It was founded in 1592, just one century after Christopher Columbus' famous voyage
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwcvhuxV4AUjr89?format=jpg&name=small)
Finally managed to get shots of these details:
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Quote from: chironex on January 28, 2019, 05:56:09 AM
Finally managed to get shots of these details:
(I inadvertently started a new page with my post, so I'll repost your pictures for convenience)
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Brilliant!
Speaking of details, I just stumbled on this video of the Art Nouveau "Gran Hotel" in downtown Mexico City. Besides what I wrote on the Tiffany canopy, I learned the first elevator installed in the hotel was the third ever elevator to be installed in Mexico City - it's still working.
Tesoros de México "Gran Hotel Ciudad de México" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q5gJlOlgYso#)
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on January 28, 2019, 07:29:20 AM
Speaking of details, I just stumbled on this video of the Art Nouveau "Gran Hotel" in downtown Mexico City. Besides what I wrote on the Tiffany canopy, I learned the first elevator installed in the hotel was the third ever elevator to be installed in Mexico City - it's still working.
Tesoros de México "Gran Hotel Ciudad de México" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q5gJlOlgYso#)
I cod barely understand a word the young gentleman said - but it was a fabulous watch
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on January 28, 2019, 10:07:49 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on January 28, 2019, 07:29:20 AM
Speaking of details, I just stumbled on this video of the Art Nouveau "Gran Hotel" in downtown Mexico City. Besides what I wrote on the Tiffany canopy, I learned the first elevator installed in the hotel was the third ever elevator to be installed in Mexico City - it's still working.
Tesoros de México "Gran Hotel Ciudad de México" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q5gJlOlgYso#)
I cod barely understand a word the young gentleman said - but it was a fabulous watch
The guy was talking very fast anyhow ;D Not much info, he just threw a couple of dates around (one of which I think he got wrong) If I remember the Tiffany canopy was not delivered until 1908? Or something like that. The building, believe it or not, was an office building before being converted to a hotel well into the mid 20th. C. You wouldn't know it by looking at the interior.
Now, at the risk of speaking falsehood, I'm going to say I vaguely remember a family reunion at that hotel decades ago (when I mean family I mean a super size multigenerational reunion with people coming from various parts of the globe). I probably never paid attention to the canopy :-\
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on January 31, 2019, 12:17:55 AM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on January 28, 2019, 10:07:49 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on January 28, 2019, 07:29:20 AM
Speaking of details, I just stumbled on this video of the Art Nouveau "Gran Hotel" in downtown Mexico City. Besides what I wrote on the Tiffany canopy, I learned the first elevator installed in the hotel was the third ever elevator to be installed in Mexico City - it's still working.
Tesoros de México "Gran Hotel Ciudad de México" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q5gJlOlgYso#)
I cod barely understand a word the young gentleman said - but it was a fabulous watch
The guy was talking very fast anyhow ;D Not much info, he just threw a couple of dates around (one of which I think he got wrong) If I remember the Tiffany canopy was not delivered until 1908? Or something like that. The building, believe it or not, was an office building before being converted to a hotel well into the mid 20th. C. You wouldn't know it by looking at the interior.
Now, at the risk of speaking falsehood, I'm going to say I vaguely remember a family reunion at that hotel decades ago (when I mean family I mean a super size multigenerational reunion with people coming from various parts of the globe). I probably never paid attention to the canopy :-\
Canopies would not have been front of mind for a young lad, not with all the family and feasting to enjoy
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on February 18, 2019, 09:57:55 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on January 31, 2019, 12:17:55 AM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on January 28, 2019, 10:07:49 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on January 28, 2019, 07:29:20 AM
Speaking of details, I just stumbled on this video of the Art Nouveau "Gran Hotel" in downtown Mexico City. Besides what I wrote on the Tiffany canopy, I learned the first elevator installed in the hotel was the third ever elevator to be installed in Mexico City - it's still working.
Tesoros de México "Gran Hotel Ciudad de México" (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Q5gJlOlgYso#)
I cod barely understand a word the young gentleman said - but it was a fabulous watch
The guy was talking very fast anyhow ;D Not much info, he just threw a couple of dates around (one of which I think he got wrong) If I remember the Tiffany canopy was not delivered until 1908? Or something like that. The building, believe it or not, was an office building before being converted to a hotel well into the mid 20th. C. You wouldn't know it by looking at the interior.
Now, at the risk of speaking falsehood, I'm going to say I vaguely remember a family reunion at that hotel decades ago (when I mean family I mean a super size multigenerational reunion with people coming from various parts of the globe). I probably never paid attention to the canopy :-\
Canopies would not have been front of mind for a young lad, not with all the family and feasting to enjoy
The hotel was absolutely "jampacked" with people. That I do remember. The scary part is that I would be related to most people in the hotel! :o
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Some renovation happening? Not entirely convinced it's an improvement.
Looking for a new home. I had a chance to inspect this place:
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Not terribly well cared for.
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmwnw9kd
Didn't bother applying.
Quote from: chironex on March 08, 2019, 03:32:38 AM
Looking for a new home. I had a chance to inspect this place:
Those rounded arch windows help make it look like a former convent/school, or a former private/cottage hospital.
Just returned from the narrow gauge convention in NSW, having seen these:
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/152629003@N04/albums/72157680115354548 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152629003@N04/albums/72157680115354548)
Like the bridge! And the white Art deco building.
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Townsville Central State School.
I shot this on the way home from Gosford:
nsw2019 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geEHrl8WHPI&feature=youtu.be#)
Manchester's Refuge Assurance Building, now a hotel and a venue.
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Something I found on the BBC website a couple of days ago - a discussion of that cornerstone of Victorian leasure time, the bandstand, with several period images some of which, if I recall correctly, have been seen here but some which I think are new to B.G.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-49472083 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-49472083)
Yours,
Miranda.
Nothing like a good old bandstand. Ballarat in the appropriately named state of Victoria has some splendid examples, including one which is a memorial to the Titanic;
http://monumentaustralia.org.au/themes/disaster/maritime/display/30236-titanic-memorial-bandstand (http://monumentaustralia.org.au/themes/disaster/maritime/display/30236-titanic-memorial-bandstand)
There are a few in the Botanical gardens near the lake as well as a statutary pavillion which holds a number of white marble statues.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballarat_Botanical_Gardens (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballarat_Botanical_Gardens)
Moorish Kiosk / Bandstand in the Alameda (street lined with trees) of Santa María de Rivera burrough, in Mexico City (#CDMX). Designed by Mexican engineer José Ramón de Ibarrola it was forged in the city of Pittsburgh in the United States in 1884 for the New Orleans World Expo.
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This French Kiosk /Bandstand made by the parisian art foundry Du Val D'osne, of unknown date but probably made after the 2nd French Intervention in Mexico ca. 1861-67 and much closer to the turn of the 19th C, is located in the Plaza of Arms of the City of Guadalajara in Mexico
http://www.cronicajalisco.com/notas/2015/49660.html (http://www.cronicajalisco.com/notas/2015/49660.html)
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Wow! Mexicans make really fantastic bandstands!
Yours,
Miranda.
Yes, it is really quite OTT. Impressive, if not a bit frightening. I will have to dredge up those previous bandstands posted and also add those from the BBC link. An image is worth a thousand words so please don't forget the pictures as well as the references to them.
Quote from: Miranda.T on August 29, 2019, 05:06:37 PM
Wow! Mexicans make really fantastic bandstands!
Yours,
Miranda.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on August 29, 2019, 10:08:58 PM
Yes, it is really quite OTT. Impressive, if not a bit frightening. I will have to dredge up those previous bandstands posted and also add those from the BBC link. An image is worth a thousand words so please don't forget the pictures as well as the references to them.
The Moorish at the Alameda is definitely over the top. It was after all made as a showpiece for the New Orleans World Expo. The other one apparently was made from molds meant as a stock item. It has "muses" serving as columns, and I think it's likely post-1880 as it looks like Art Nouveau to me. A little sinister, perhaps. But every little town in Mexico has a bandstand of sorts. Mexicans call them Kioscos (or properly spelled Quioscos - apparently you can spell them both ways).
As an aside, German Waltz and Czech Polkas from migrants in Texas began to percolate during the last years of the Porfiriato and the Revolution of 1910—21 and thus a lot of small towns have "Oompa - bands" who traditionally play on the bandstand. True story, very few Americans (and even Mexicans) know this origin.
The Mexican small-town Polka music... Let's just say it's very much an acquired taste... Assuming you can stand it long enough to recognize its true origin. The style of music spread south all over Mexico in rural areas, and its one of many different folkloric styles of music in Mexico. The music played at the Alameda in Mexico City and the Plaza of Arms in Guadalajara, would have been very different, however, probably something Classical or Romantic, or even American Military Parade (eg John Philip Sousa), meant for a much more sophisticated and worldly crowd.
Sometimes you'd have non Spanish European migrants building bandstands in small towns. I forget where I got the picture for this (stand by while I dredge up the picture), but German migrants in Mazatlán developed the downtown area and established a number of businesses along with new streets, like the Pacífico Brewery (expounded in the Victorian Foods Thread) , and they also built entertainment areas, with at least one bandstand in the main plaza. So obviously it was a Central European trend that was imported into Mexico at a time when the government was very Pro European and waves of Europeans came into North and South America.
https://mazatlaninteractivo.com.mx/4-plazuelas-en-la-historia-de-mazatlan/
Plaza República in Mazatlán
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Plazuela Machado, Mazatlán, México
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reviving this old thread.......everyone check out
The Stacks in Bethlehem Pennsylvania
I just worked at a new SteamFest there and the buildings are amazing!!!!!
https://www.steelstacks.org/ (https://www.steelstacks.org/)
Bruce
Quote from: Dr. Vir Laetus Dentum on September 05, 2019, 01:20:57 PM
reviving this old thread.......everyone check out
The Stacks in Bethlehem Pennsylvania
I just worked at a new SteamFest there and the buildings are amazing!!!!!
https://www.steelstacks.org/ (https://www.steelstacks.org/)
Bruce
This thread is not dead and does not need reviving.
Pictures please or it didn't happen.
A hidden rural town known as Chignahuapan* in the State of Puebla, neighboring the State of Mexico and Mexico City , holds a little unusual jewel of a bandstand. The Kiosk is located - wait for it - in the Plaza of Arms ::) (apparently Plaza of Arms is a very popular definition for the main Plaza outside of Town Hall, etc). This bandstand, was made entirely out of wood in an Muslim revival architectural style known as Mudéjar, which was developed in Spain towards the last third of the 19th century.
I'm not sure if this is steamy in any possible way, but let's not forget that towards the end of the 19th century, the Victorians were rebelling against the Neoclassical and Neo-Gothic styles that defined the century. The Art Nouveau and Mudéjar styles in Mexican bandstands reflect those architectural movements, even if most people in the First World don't think of Mexico as a probable location to see early examples of these radical new European styles.
So far, in the pictures I have posted above, I can see (correct me if I'm wrong) 4 different architectural styles. Mudéjar (the kiosks in Alameda CDMX, and Chignahuapan), Art Nouveau (Guadalajara), Neo Classic (Mazatlán) and perhaps a Indian (Hindi) styled kiosk also in Mazatlán. This is an interesting mix of contemporary styles that reveals the flows of architectural styles around the world at the time. This was, after all the Age of Empires.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/luisenrique_gs/5064985354 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/luisenrique_gs/5064985354)
https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chignahuapan (https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chignahuapan)
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*The name is difficult enough even for a Spanish speaker, as this is not a Spanish name. The municipality dates back to Prehispanic times and the name is the hispanisation of the Nahuatl name
Chiconahui atl pan which means "Over the Nine Ponds."
It looks like a musical box...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWNR-08Ff0w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWNR-08Ff0w#) (0:32)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on September 08, 2019, 11:53:29 PM
It looks like a musical box...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWNR-08Ff0w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWNR-08Ff0w#) (0:32)
Well, there's the perfect Steampunk project for you. A giant Steampunk automaton bandstand.
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Inside New York Beekman Hotel (in pictures) (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/gallery/2016/aug/28/Inside-new-york-beekman-hotel-in-pictures)
SP/Diesel Punk?
QuoteBuilt in 1880, 5 Beekman Street in lower Manhattan stood as an office building for much of its existence. The historic building became a landmark in 1998 and recently opened as the Beekman Hotel – featuring a beautiful atrium.
(c) Simon Leigh/The Guardian. '16.
I get 404 on that link. :'(
Oh bugger >:(
Quote from: Mercury Wells on September 29, 2019, 01:12:46 AM
Inside New York Beekman Hotel (in pictures) (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/gallery/2016/aug/28/Inside-new-york-beekman-hotel-in-pictures)
SP/Diesel Punk?
QuoteBuilt in 1880, 5 Beekman Street in lower Manhattan stood as an office building for much of its existence. The historic building became a landmark in 1998 and recently opened as the Beekman Hotel – featuring a beautiful atrium.
(c) Simon Leigh/The Guardian. '16.
Quote from: von Corax on September 29, 2019, 01:49:31 AM
I get 404 on that link. :'(
Always search for You Tube videos...
The Beekman Hotel in NYC | SmarterTravel (http://youtube.com/watch?v=_T71iBy91R0#)
And that's what I like about videos. They convey so much more information than pictures alone.
I think I have already written a lot about Roma and La Condesa neighborhoods, being the loci for 19th century architecture that was erected by massive European migration to Mexico, including French, Italian and even some British (who founded Roma), but I don't think I had focused on the ambiance of the neighborhoods.
I lived in the outskirts of Mexico City in the 1970s and 1980s and I did many a time go through those neighborhoods, on my way downtown, or on my way to the doctor in Polanco when I was a kid. But I didn't know that after the 1985 Magnitude 8.2 earthquake that hit the city, Condesa was one of the most devastated. As a consequence I'm told a lot of rebuilding took place in La Condesa. That rebuilding brought about a Renaissance of sorts, turning the area into a hipster enclave, which may or may not be good depending on your point of view.
In the videos below, I attempt to give you a "feel" for the location. If the videos below are far too "hipster" (especially the 4th, below), just know that I totally empathize with you ::)
For me the interesting part about the location is the history and eclectic architecture that speaks of Mexico's first century after independence from Spain. This is a turning point for Mexico, because Western and Central Europeans replaced the Spanish European high classes and set Mexico on a fast track through the Industrial Revolution. Those Europeans then set roots and became Mexican themselves - this is not well known outside of Mexico, especially North of the Border.
The neighborhoods maintain their roots today and are a testament to Mexico's ties to the West, if not the World. Since immigrants' enclaves were referred to as "colonies, " Mexicans started using the word "colony" to refer to any neighborhood, and you can see that practice today anywhere in Mexico.
Roma-Condesa walking tour by Pata de Perro DF (http://youtube.com/watch?v=QnOuZBJ5WJs#)
Roma Condesa Walking Tour
Getting to Know Our Neighborhood in Mexico City // Gringos in Mexico City Vlog (http://youtube.com/watch?v=yX37uRGyXNQ#)
Getting to know our neighborhood (La Condesa)
You Won't Believe This is Mexico City! (La Condesa Neighbourhood) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=wl_X9c_SBH4#)
The New Travel at La Condesa Neighborhood
ROMA MEXICO CITY W/ ALANXELMUNDO & RAWVANA | TRAVEL VLOG 4/4 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=WHl9r2cgGwI#)
Vagabrothers visit Roma/La Condesa.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on September 29, 2019, 10:24:54 PM
Quote from: Mercury Wells on September 29, 2019, 01:12:46 AM
Inside New York Beekman Hotel (in pictures) (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/gallery/2016/aug/28/Inside-new-york-beekman-hotel-in-pictures)
SP/Diesel Punk?
QuoteBuilt in 1880, 5 Beekman Street in lower Manhattan stood as an office building for much of its existence. The historic building became a landmark in 1998 and recently opened as the Beekman Hotel – featuring a beautiful atrium.
(c) Simon Leigh/The Guardian. '16.
Quote from: von Corax on September 29, 2019, 01:49:31 AM
I get 404 on that link. :'(
Always search for You Tube videos...
The Beekman Hotel in NYC | SmarterTravel (http://youtube.com/watch?v=_T71iBy91R0#)
So it's acceptable as SP then?
Quote from: Mercury Wells on September 30, 2019, 11:15:01 PM
So it's acceptable as SP then?
I don't see why not. Noting that the architecture is representative of the period and of course that none of the structures are Steampunk, but "steamy," yes ? To be Steampunk it'd have to be fairly new and built as a "retro / Sci Fi" structure.
QuoteThe structure was designed as a red-brick and terra-cotta office building in the Queen Anne, neo-Grec, and Renaissance Revival styles. The original structure was begun in 1881 and finished in 1883, with an attached annex constructed between 1889 and 1890.[1] It was commissioned and originally owned by Eugene Kelly (1808–1894), an Irish immigrant who had achieved wealth as a dry-goods retailer and banker.[2] The firm of Benjamin Silliman, Jr. and James M. Farnsworth were the architects.
La Ópera Bar and Grill, Mexico City.
This bar's origin is not well known, surprisingly, but it is considered a historical site. Founded in its present location in 1895, it is rumored to have been established by a pair of French sisters who wanted a Parisian styled café or pastry shop. Economic necessity being the driving force behind its transformation from a pastry shop to a pub type of establishment. Another origin myth is that it was founded as far back as 1875,and the pastry shop was forced to move locations as the original building was demolished, along with the old National Theatre, as ordered by the pro European president Porfirio Díaz in order to widen a major avenue.
One thing is for certain, 1895 would be a good year for French expatriates in Mexico, for the government supported and welcomed the mass migration from Europe, which was instrumental in development of the industrial revolution in Mexico.
Besides becoming a favourite meeting place for the political crowd and celebrities, virtually all Mexican presidents since Porfirio Díaz are said to have visited the bar. Most notably, during the Civil War of 1910 - 22, the famous rebel general Francisco "Pancho" Villa, is said to have payed a visit to the bar and have fired his pistol indoors, punching a hole through the ceiling, which to date is proudly displayed by the ownership.
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Some pictures from yesteryear.
London Street, Mexico City, early in the 20th century. Wax museum to the right.
Notice the traditional garb of the poor walking on the street (already electrified),
and the contrast to the European opulence of the city. Not dissimilar to Meïji Era Japan.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EFF5iVyU4AAlieE?format=jpg)
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Quote from: Prof Marvel on October 19, 2019, 01:23:04 AM
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Pray tell, where is this building?
Also I'll have more oldies (pictures) to show. Many of buildings that crumbled in the 1985 earthquake. I discovered a Twitter account they posts 19th and 20th century photos of Mexico City.
For undated pictures, I'm looking at the electrification of the street, and petrol cars (Model T), and trying to determine the period. The Civil War was between 1910-1922, some pics may get closer to 1920. The first electric station was built in Mexico City before 1910, mostly to serve mining industry in neighboring states, but electric tramways and water pumps in the city started operating as early as that period. So it's after 1910 say, unless otherwise noted...
Belén Penitentiary, Mexico City, ca 1915?
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Hotel Regis, Mexico City, ca 1914
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Mexican magnate Ignacio De la Torre y Mier's House and statue of King Charles V , circa 1915
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House of Agustín de Iturbide, First Emperor of Independent Mexico (1821)
and former General of the New Spanish Continental Army.
Photo taken toward the end of the 19th century.
Notice the barber shop on the lower left corner :D
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGPWxmsVUAA2wDA?format=jpg&name=large)
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on October 19, 2019, 07:03:32 AM
Quote from: Prof Marvel on October 19, 2019, 01:23:04 AM
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Pray tell, where is this building?
Terribly sorry old friend. The Beekman Hotel in NYC
Your photos of the buildings in Mexico City are reminiscent of Old New Orleans, but taller!
Quote from: Prof Marvel on October 19, 2019, 07:13:29 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on October 19, 2019, 07:03:32 AM
Quote from: Prof Marvel on October 19, 2019, 01:23:04 AM
Prof Marvel can help:
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Pray tell, where is this building?
Terribly sorry old friend. The Beekman Hotel in NYC
Your photos of the buildings in Mexico City are reminiscent of Old New Orleans, but taller!
Well, the influence is decidedly Central European. The French immigrant community were very influential in the city toward the 1890s in the local architecture and fashion (plus anything French in 1890 was the top of design - think the Eiffel Tower and World Expo 1899). Porfirio Díaz' administration was a government hell-bent into bringing European progress into Mexico and foreign styling was very much preferred.
Old City Hall, undated picture. Notice the electric trolley
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Construction of the National Theatre (now the Palacio de Bellas Artes (Palace of Fine Arts)
was stopped in 1913 due to the Civil War. It was left unfinished until 1930
when construction resumed, and it was finished by 1932.
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St Johns Anglican Church, South Townsville.
It's amazing how so many of those 'temporary', 'wartime-use only' buildings are still standing, and still being used, even if not in their original location, or for their original purpose. There were quite a few of those military chapels from who-knows-how-many wartime training bases spread around the place!
This was a civilian church, built in 1907 to replace the third one that was demolished by a cyclone in 1903. It has never been a wartime-only use structure. Maybe it did serve as a chapel for soldiers, but only because much of South Townsville was given over to billeting them during WW2, including great camps in Victoria Park, and the now-derelict Republic Hotel (then known as the Empire).
Oh, ok - wartime builders must have used the same plans! It does look just like so many wartime ones, even down to the fibro sheeting!
Went to the Quarantine Station again, and managed to get inside...
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I just found this YouTube video channel called "4K Walk," featuring no-narration videos made with a high resolution gimbal camera. They're so good. No background music, no narration or stupid comments. Your eyes do all the talking with a little help from background noise.
I'll just drop this one here, you'll probably recognize various takes from the other posts I've made on this thread!
4K WALK 5 de MAYO Mexico City 4k CDMX SLOW TV Travel video (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OuWRNXq5Otw#)
The Vizcaya apartment building in downtown Mexico City
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Summarized translation from an article published in El Universal newspaper, March 2016. "The Ruined Apartments Worth 60 Thousand Pesos," by Carlos Villasana S.
https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/entrada-de-opinion/colaboracion/mochilazo-en-el-tiempo/nacion/sociedad/2016/06/3/cuando-un (https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/entrada-de-opinion/colaboracion/mochilazo-en-el-tiempo/nacion/sociedad/2016/06/3/cuando-un)
Built in 1924, not in the Art Déco style of the era, but a Neo-Classic revival, the building was laid upon the Bucareli Street in downtown Mexico City, which itself dated back to therearly 1850s, around the time of the 2nd French Intervention in Mexico and was part of the rebuilding effort to make Mexico City a European style capital and celebrate the new Mexican Empire. That explains the architectural style of the building.
The 1920s apartment building housed foreign dignitaries and cultural personalities from abroad, as at the time, few but foreigners lived in apartment buildings. Generally Mexican people at the time were more akin to saving money and building a multi generational family home, if you were well to do in a Neo Baroque, or Art Déco style. Neo Classic would not be fashionable in the 1920s. Nevertheless, the building was touted as "ultra modern" with 6 elevators and 3 separate pump systems to manage the water needs of the building.
1930s newspaper ad flyer. "Vizcaya Building. Modern Apartments. American Style.
With Night and Day Water Service. The Most Comfortable and Elegant in Mexico.
Six Automatic Elevators
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However as the political winds changed and the pro-Marxist government of President Álvaro Cárdenas took over in the 1940s, rents in certain city properties were frozen, and they were not deregulated until 1992. The net effect was that as the decades rolled by the building decayed and went from high end apartments to semi abandoned tenanents, suffering from vermin infestations, crime and even rotting corpses of dogs and cats found in the water tanks.
The building before restoration
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It was around 1988 when one of the current tenants, María Sada, arrived at the building, and 4 years passed while she wondered how to improve the condition of the building to no avail. When she deregulation came in 1992, the building was offered for sale, as condominiums to the existing tenants at very low rates. Once various tenants found themselves owning their own home, the time was ripe for María to organize 7 owner-neighbors for restoration of the building. They nagged the neighbors for action and named themselves "The Hydra" after the Greek mythical monster with 7 heads.
The restoration was a nearly impossible task due to the extent of the damage (no functioning elevators and utilities), and thus the restoration work in earnest did not take place until 2005. They key to affording the restoration costs was to rent the building for use in films and television commercials, which is the way the building has kept up with its maintenance for 15 years... [/size]
Firefighters' drill using a steam engine on Betlemitas Street (Today Filomeno Mata St.)
Mexico City, 1899
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More views of the Republic Hotel.
Old United States Embassy in Mexico City's Roma Borough, Mexico City, 1913
During the country's first Civil War (Revolution of 1910)
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The building that good taste forgot...
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 28, 2020, 05:11:59 PM
Old United States Embassy in Mexico City's Roma Borough, Mexico City, 1913
During the country's first Civil War (Revolution of 1910)
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Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 28, 2020, 07:16:39 PM
The building that good taste forgot...
I must dig up its history. I just don't know what they were thinking. Often times the United States would embue a building with political symbolism. The style is just horrid and not in keeping with Neo Classical or Federal Style., which is what you'd expect to see from the Americans.
There may be some reaction against Chapultepec Castle, which basically was a 1700s giant manor turned into a military garrison and in the Second Empire turned into a castle for Maximilian. Maybe that's what they were thinking. It's still horrible nonetheless.
I stumbled upon to youtube video from quite interesting home. It's made from old railroad water tower.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40C3C46QLfM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40C3C46QLfM)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 28, 2020, 07:16:39 PM
The building that good taste forgot...
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 28, 2020, 07:27:06 PM
I must dig up its history. I just don't know what they were thinking. Often times the United States would embue a building with political symbolism. The style is just horrid and not in keeping with Neo Classical or Federal Style., which is what you'd expect to see from the Americans.
There may be some reaction against Chapultepec Castle, which basically was a 1700s giant manor turned into a military garrison and in the Second Empire turned into a castle for Maximilian. Maybe that's what they were thinking. It's still horrible nonetheless.
I got a little bit of a mystery. I've turned to the source of the photo for some answers, and in the process stumbled upon this great article (in Spanish) about the history of US embassies in the city. It turns out the US had many embassies throughout Mexico's 19th C history and would often be private residences, because every now and then the US and Mexico would break relations ( gee, ::) I wonder why? ).
According to this article below, the building in the picture directly below was the embassy in 1913; a much nicer, Neo Classic building.
Article: All the United States Embassies in Mexico City:
https://local.mx/ciudad-de-mexico/cronica-ciudad/histoia-de-la-embajada-de-estados-unidos/
The thing is that the corresponding source doesn't mention a particular date other than 1913. And this was a difficult period, because it was during the beginning stages of Mexico's Civil War ("La Revolucion"). This was a period when the United States saw Mexican President/Dictator Porfirio Diaz be deposed in 1910 and be replaced by a technocrat government headed by Francisco I. Madero.
Critically, the United States ambassador, Henry Lane Wilson, apparently saw President Madero more as a dangerous communist rather than a technocrat, and thus he used his contacts with high ranking officers, most importantly a former general by the name of Victoriano Huerta to orchestrate the downfall of President Madero. In 1913, Victoriano Huerta, successfully forced the resignation of, and also orchestrated the assassination of President Madero. That period when President Madero was deposed and assassinated is known as the "Tragic Ten Days." President Victoriano Huerta would be deposed less than one year later after coming to power, but these two buildings housed two different US embassies during that period, apparently, hence the confusion
Mexican history relevant to photos
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_occupation_of_Veracruz
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Ambassador Lane Wilson, according to history, had acted without direction from then-President of the United States William Howard Taft, in spite of the fact that the new Huerta regime was allowed to buy arms from the US, Britain, France and Germany. However, newly elected President Woodrow Wilson opposed the regime, and when opposition forces turned the tide against Huerta other countries refused to recognize the Huerta administration. When the ambassador's direct involvement was found out, Henry Lane Wilson was recalled back to the United States. Thus, Victoriano Huerta fell out of favor with the United States by 1914, and instability in the country prompted President Woodrow Wilson to send the Marines and take over the port city of Veracruz.
So it's quite possible and even likely that the embassy had two different locations in the period 1913-1914. Let's see what my source tells me.
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US Ambassador Henry Lane Wilson in tenure 1910-1914 at the start of the Mexican Civil War.
Supported the plot against Mexican President Madero in 1913
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Henry_Lane_Wilson.jpg)
US president William Howard Taft in office 1909-1913
Did not order the involvement of ambassador Wilson against Mexican President Madero, but supported Huerta's regime later on.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/William_Howard_Taft_cph.3b35813.jpg)
US President Thomas Woodrow Wilson in office 1913-1921
His administration refused to recognize the Huerta regime favored by previous President Howard Taft, sent Marines to take over Port of Veracruz
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Thomas_Woodrow_Wilson%2C_Harris_%26_Ewing_bw_photo_portrait%2C_1919.jpg)
Mexican President Francisco I. Madero, elected 1911, resigned his position and was assassinated in 1913 by the Huerta administration
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/85/Francisco_I_Madero-retouched.jpg/800px-Francisco_I_Madero-retouched.jpg)
President Victoriano Huerta (1913-1914)
As a high ranking official, he plotted against, deposed and assassinated President Madero in 1913
He later resigned in 1914 when the federal army collapsed and fled to Spain. Huerta was arrested in 1915 and died in U.S. custody.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/95/Victoriano_Huerta.%28cropped%29.jpg)
In any case, the US embassy resided in may other interesting buildings, including the "Palacio del Cobian" (Cobian Palace), a private residence of Spanish-immigrant cotton industry mogul, Feliciano Cobián, built in 1902, The US embassy moved there in 1909, before the start of the Revolution.
Palacio del Cobian , American Embassy under tenure of US ambassador Edwin Conger after 1909
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US Ambassador Edwin H. Conger
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Mexican President Porfirio Diaz in the relevant period, before being deposed at the start of the Mexican Civil War
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Porfirio_diaz.jpg/800px-Porfirio_diaz.jpg)
OK. That didn't take long to solve! :D My source came back to me with newspaper "clippings." The ugly Citadel-style house" comes first. The house was selected to be the new embassy of the US in 1910 which means that US ambassador Henry Lane Wilson was the one who occupied that house (so I'm not surprised, he'd be the one with the bad taste in architecture).
The house is listed by this newspaper as being "under consideration by April 11 1910 for use by the embassy staff,
but is listed under he name "A. Armour," which means that the United States was renting the house.
Only two days later the house was officially selected.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZO4ZGfWoAAs0Rr?format=jpg&name=large)
The second house below, then has to be the one taken over by Ambassador George Lind, sent by President Woodrow Wilson to basically replace ambassador Lane Wilson and undo the damage done by his predecessor... Lind's support of another faction known as the "Constitutionalists" led by a wealthy land owner, Venustiano Carranza helped turn the tide in favor of what would eventually become the final government of Mexico and the new ruling party after the civil war
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZPDAsCXYAIkqFa?format=jpg&name=large)
By the way, the building is open for lease right now (commercial property), if you can pay $11,600.00 USD / mo.
https://propiedades.com/inmuebles/local-en-renta-londres-102-juarez-df-13119848#area=juarez-df&tipos=locales-renta&orden=&pagina=1&paginas=2&pos=1
Ambassador John Lind in office 1913 -?
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Role in Diplomacy with Mexico
Following the assassination of Mexican President Francisco I. Madero and Vice President José María Pino Suárez on February 22, 1913, it became clear that U.S. Ambassador Henry Lane Wilson was complicit in the plot. General Victoriano Huerta was now president of Mexico. As soon as the new U.S. President Woodrow Wilson and Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan assumed office on March 4, 1913, they sent John Lind to Mexico as Wilson's envoy for Mexican affairs.
Lind had financial interests in Mexico, having invested in the Mexico Land company and had long-standing ties with other U.S. landholders. Lind attempted to persuade Victoriano Huerta to call prompt elections and not stand as a candidate in them. Huerta refused. "Lind threatened a military intervention by the United States in case the demands were rejected but promised an American loan to Mexico" if Huerta stepped aside.
Rebellions broke out in Mexico against the Huerta regime. Lind backed the faction of Venustiano Carranza, a large landowner and former governor of Coahuila. Lind worked to support the Carranza faction, known as the Constitutionalists, against more radical elements in the anti-Huerta rebellion, mainly Constitutionalist Army general Pancho Villa.
Venustiano Carranza, defeated Victoriano Huerta's federal army in 1914, and became the interim head of state from 1915 to 1917. With the promulgation of a new Constitution of 1917, he was elected president, serving from 1917 to 1920. Venustiano Carranza was assassinated by his own faction in 1920 when he tried to install an unknown politician as his successor.
President Venustiano Carranza, in office 1917-1920
Head of the Constititionalist Party he defeated Huerta's army and became interim head of state 1915-1917
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Portrait_of_Venustiano_Carranza_%28cropped%29.jpg)
That first Embassy building wouldn't look out of place in Disney World . . . .
Athanor
For the garden.. The Metzler Greenhouse.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaOq6j2WoAAwzd-?format=png&name=large)
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This is the only info I found on the owners. The photos were found on the internet.
http://wrotethiswrotethat.blogspot.com/2012/09/people-in-glass-houses.html?m=1 (http://wrotethiswrotethat.blogspot.com/2012/09/people-in-glass-houses.html?m=1)
Quite gorgeous as a garden shed! Having a pool there too lets the side down somewhat but I can see why.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 12, 2020, 06:06:11 PM
Quite gorgeous as a garden shed! Having a pool there too lets the side down somewhat but I can see why.
The pool I like but it's taking too much space, no matter how small it may be. Depends on the use of the shed.
If the purpose was to be a pool house, then that would be a very elegant pool house, and I can see that building use effectively. I would add an external patio barbecue grill in that case (it's a very American thing to do - also Mexican as well). Great way to vacation in your property during these plagued times.
As a guest room, the pool needs to go and some of the greenhouse canopy wouldn't be glass - the very top, specifically should be solid. The side windows of the dome would stay for light. But true to Caribbean style, I would use large sized folding wooden louvers to be placed, one set for each window all over the building to block view and sunlight selectively as the day turns into night (I've seen entire large houses in tropical climes (Puerto Vallarta) not have a single glass pane, and instead be open with just the wooden louvers - wonderful setting, rustic and elegant at the same time, save for the mosquitoes - I didn't enjoy that.
And the glass walls / windows must have a good view (garden, not the city, unless it's picturesque and safe) and the climate must cooperate. I lived in a very dry clime, high altitude alpine / desert mix in a large 70s house with gigantic picture windows all over, two large trees indoor and initially a plastic canopy over the main atrium to allow sunlight for the trees... So I'm used to the light, but I had a beautiful plot of land full of large cypress trees (the alpine type), several stories high well above street level, and not exposed to city view. Otherwise you'll find so much glass is a liability.
From experience, I can tell you that for either tropical, alpine or desert settings, the roof must be solid enough to address rain (water and noise) during monsoons in the tropics, hail storms if the region is outside the tropics, and equivalently if the region is at high altitudes, intense sunlight. I had all three situations in Mexico City (!), the monsoons on summer because it was a subtropical location, cold storms with hail in spring and fall, and intense high UV sunlight during the day, because we were at an altitude 40% higher than Denver!
Needless to say our Lexan canopy over the atrium in our house eventually was replaced by a solid roof. Lighting was addressed with two smaller plastic domes and side windows. The trees were allowed to stick out of the roof with a flexible rubber gasket, to allow for tree movement and growth. But the poor trees lost all their foliage "below the waist" so to speak.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on May 28, 2020, 07:16:39 PM
The building that good taste forgot...
I dunno - I rather fancy a sort of turn-of-the-C19 mock castle!
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on June 12, 2020, 03:59:41 PM
For the garden.. The Metzler Greenhouse.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaOq6j2WoAAwzd-?format=png&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaOrctOXkAAOjgj?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaOraJsWsAILx69?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaOuAflXgAANF6B?format=jpg&name=large)
This is the only info I found on the owners. The photos were found on the internet.
http://wrotethiswrotethat.blogspot.com/2012/09/people-in-glass-houses.html?m=1 (http://wrotethiswrotethat.blogspot.com/2012/09/people-in-glass-houses.html?m=1)
That's going on the list. That, or something inspired by it. Just so soon as I get around to the back garden.
I don't know how to feel about this one, as it has a somewhat... Peculiar family history. But it's an interesting building and location.
The ex-hacienda of Chautla, aka Castle of Gillow museum in the countryside of the State of Puebla near Mexico City.
The Chautla Hacienda museum
Photo credit: Raphlex from @ExploraPuebla
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbIt1OcX0AAYgyP?format=jpg&name=large)
(Text adapted from Wiki)
The Chautla Hacienda was a formerly vast extension of farmland located in the San Martin Texmelucan Valley in the state of Puebla, northwest of the city of Puebla in Mexico. Originally, the hacienda was created by Manuel Rodriguez de Pinillos y Lopez, who received the title of the first Marquis of Selva Nevada from King Carlos III in 1777. It is one of a number of haciendas established in the valley which formed the basis of the local economy in the colonial period due to the natural resources, the availability of indigenous labor and its proximity to regional markets. The climate and soil made it suitable for the production of grain. Today the original plot of land forms part of numerous independent farms.
The hacienda became the inheritance of the fourth Marchioness of Selva Negra, Soledad Gutierrez de Rivero Martinez de Pinillos. She had a daughter from her first marriage by the name of Mara Zavala y Gutierrez. In the 1820s, she was remarried, to an Englishman by the name of Thomas Gillow. Gillow was born in Liverpool, England in 1797 and arrived in Mexico in 1819, during the Mexican War of Independence. He became a fashionable jeweler and member of Mexico City society, allowing him to meet and then marry the Marchioness. Following his marriage, Gillow dedicated himself to running the family estate. After the marchioness died, Gillow married her daughter Mara. This may have been at least partly in order to end problems connected to the inheritance of the estate following the death of the marchioness' first husband. However, this marriage between Thomas and Mara was never formally sanctioned by the church. The union produced a child, Eulogio Gillow.
When Mara died at sea in 1861, there were inheritance problems yet again, with Thomas Gillow receiving the Chautla Hacienda. He sold off a small portion of the estate in 1870, the first lands to be separated.[1] When Thomas died in 1877, the remaining lands were inherited by Eulogio. Under Eulogio, the hacienda specialized in wheat and maguey production, and he worked to introduce modern technology and organizational methods.
Eulogio Gillow introduced electricity in 1903 by building Latin America's first hydroelectric power plant on the estate. His father had introduced the first metal plough, importing it from England, but it had worn so quickly that he later helped a businessmman by the name of Marshall to establish an iron foundry in Puebla. Marshall went on to make a considerable fortune out of the manufacture and repair of farm and textile equipment.
Eulogio also acquired other technology such as a threshing machine developed in the United States. Unfortunately, the machine did not work well at the Chautla Hacienda, because the grain produced was coarser than the U.S. varieties. The threshing machine was left to rust in a shed. Eulogio offered to donate the machine to the Smithsonian Institution, but only on condition that it be exhibited with a large sign saying, "This machine, awarded a gold medal in the Philadelphia exhibition, proved to be entirely useless in Mexico." Eulogio also worked to establish an agricultural college on the property, and built the English-style residence house on the dam to house teachers. It originally had a drawbridge, artificial lakes and formal, symmetrical gardens.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/97/EnglishCastleChautla03.JPG/800px-EnglishCastleChautla03.JPG)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/HallMuseumChautla.JPG/800px-HallMuseumChautla.JPG)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Gate1887Chautla.JPG/800px-Gate1887Chautla.JPG)
Eulogio left for the United States and settled in Los Angeles. He returned in 1921 after the war and negotiated the return of 150 hectares of the former hacienda, which he received shortly before his death. His descendants sold off parts of this land, leaving the sixty hectares which were eventually sold to the state of Puebla.[1][8] Since then it has been run as a recreational and cultural center. The site has been also used in the filming of Mexican telenovelas such as "Dulce desafío", "Pueblo chico, infierno grande" and "El Maleficio." In 2000, an organization called Amatzcalli restored the lake behind the dam for sportfishing, stocking it with trout and other species.
Strange building, looks better from above though.
I can see why they thought it was an English style. This is Blickling Hall a rather grand mansion in the next village to where I live now, photo taken from above compares somewhat, brick and stone with towers. I cycle past it every day.
(https://i.imgur.com/afXEmh0.jpg)
Here it is in the snow.
(https://i.imgur.com/t4b4VHd.jpg)
There is a lake and formal English gardens with all sorts of pretty thing here and there. Worth a visit.
Blickling Hall looks like a very large building, Uncle Bert. Definitely there's a connection in the style. I'm assuming that the building at Chautla Hacienda was erected by Gillow, as opposed to the Marchioness. The interior of the building is decidedly Spanish in style, and it's only the exterior that bears the "English" style. Perhaps there is an interior atrium to account for the square cross section with turrets. Maybe I can find more info on the building.
It is a very large building, not quite a palace but a hall. The thing is, when people copy a 'style' they do by copying the most grand buildings that form a part of what is perceived to be a style. They don't copy the every day prosaic buildings of the period. In the 1620s in England, most ordinary buildings looked much more down-to-earth and not so much a style at all, rather instead just having four walls, a roof and a chimney - and a window if you were lucky.
In order to have something to copy, the original must be grand, well known and impressive, otherwise it wouldn't be a style and you wouldn't bother copying it.
Here is another English style. See if you can find a similar building in your neck of the woods. I would be surprised if you did but I wouldn't say it would be impossible as the old Mexicans seemed to be an inventive crowd.
(https://i.imgur.com/aEZJ530.jpg)
Little Moreton Hall in Cheshire.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 26, 2020, 08:39:32 PM
Here is another English style. See if you can find a similar building in your neck of the woods. I would be surprised if you did but I wouldn't say it would be impossible as the old Mexicans seemed to be an inventive crowd.
(https://i.imgur.com/aEZJ530.jpg)
Little Moreton Hall in Cheshire.
It's less inventiveness, and more history. I think you're referring to timber and plaster buildings during the Tudor period. The Tudor period overlaps with the Conquest Era. The one person contemporary to the style would be Hernán Cortés (or as was known then Don Ferdinando Corteus). Being Spanish and a vassal of the King Carlos I of Spain aka Charles V Holy Roman Emperor, Cortés would not favor a northern European architecture, but there's a number of residences built by Cortés which are still standing in Mexico. I'll take a look, but if not downright medieval then it'd be a type of Renaissance architecture more closely related to the the Baroque period that would follow.
The one Cortés residence I know thats still stands looks decidedly medieval to me; built with rough volcanic stone, it resembles a fortification.
By the way, we are only 2 days away from the 500th anniversary of the first defeat of Cortés at the hand of the Aztecs, aka "the night of sorrow" before he successfully took Tenochtitlán (Mexico City). Out of 1300 men, Cortés lost 800 that night. The allied natives from the city state of Tlaxcala lost thousands out of 3000-5000 men.
Spanish conquistadors did fight amongst themselves as well,
and allied with natives probably for control. In this painting Hernán Cortés
encounters the forces of Pánfilo de Narvaez and alliés outside the Palace of Axayacatl in summer of 1520:
Errata: This was Cortés' rout from Tenochtitlán, Narvaez fought and lost to Cortés elsewhere in Mexico.
The Governor of Cuba had recalled Cortés, and he refused, sending Narvaez to stop Cortés.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbSf6tHU0AYQnDE?format=jpg&name=large)
Cortés in 1529
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbIng1AUEAIFuF0?format=jpg&name=large)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 26, 2020, 08:39:32 PM
Here is another English style. See if you can find a similar building in your neck of the woods. I would be surprised if you did but I wouldn't say it would be impossible as the old Mexicans seemed to be an inventive crowd.
(https://i.imgur.com/aEZJ530.jpg)
Little Moreton Hall in Cheshire.
Well, that was quick. Nothing that large, nor 16th century either, but there's several examples of contemporary Tudor revival houses in Mexico. The one that called my attention was the "Ajusco Labyrinth House, " a private residence on the highway outside of Mexico City, where the owner built a replica of the labyrinth and garden walked by Anne Boleyn, in Hever Castle, Kent County.
Source:
https://local.mx/ciudad-de-mexico/arquitectura/arquitectura-tudor/
The "Ajusco Labyrith House" near Mexico City,
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbgLTDrXQAAxG3i?format=jpg&name=large)
As for other Tudor style brickwork buildings, I don't know of many. The closest to non-traditional Spanish yet still Renaissance style that I can find is a 1922 building, downtown on Bucareli Street, which I've shown you before, which is called the "Gaona Building" (because otherwise there's plenty of Spanish original Renaissance buildings still standing, just the National Palace, government building in the main Plaza is one giant Renaissance example!! )
The difference from traditional Spanish style is the tile work decoration., which reminds me of the decorative brickwork in Tudor buildings...
https://mxcity.mx/2019/11/avenida-bucareli-paseo-arquitectonico-de-primera/amp/
Gaona Building on Bucareli Street, Mexico City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbgQ4ifWAAAGMsm?format=jpg&name=large)
That was quick and it was a good one. I did expect you to come up with something. It looks very much a Tudor style, we call it mock-Tudor and it would not look out of place in the UK. I'd like to see inside if there are any photos extant. It looks as if it needs a bit of work, those modern windows upstairs need removing and replacing with something more in keeping.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on June 29, 2020, 10:36:28 PM
That was quick and it was a good one. I did expect you to come up with something. It looks very much a Tudor style, we call it mock-Tudor and it would not look out of place in the UK. I'd like to see inside if there are any photos extant. It looks as if it needs a bit of work, those modern windows upstairs need removing and replacing with something more in keeping.
I need to see whether this is a really a private residence or an attraction. My guess it's mostly a private house, and an attraction on the side at the most. High end homes in Mexico tend to be very big, and architects don't spare any effort to make a fantasy a reality, because the cost may be ½ to ⅓ of the cost in the United States for an equivalent property. Also remember there was a wave of European migration at the end of the 19th century, and throughout the 20th century the descendants of these migrants plus new arrivals made the Burgoise/business class of the country, so some of them manifest their past in their architecture.
If the Labyrinth House turns out to be private, the owners may not wish to create a full repro, for comfort or cost reasons. By the way, Mock Tudor is very common in the United States, especially for apartment (flats to let) buildings from the 1970s, but when we say mock, it's more like faux, as in complete fake. In a worse case scenario it's "faux Two-door" ;D
PS I don't know if you've seen it but that modern "bay window" is actually set inside a frame full of glass, in place of where plaster would be in a Tudor style timber wall. The reason is very simple: they are on a natural preserve area near the Ajusco mountains. They have really spectacular views of the environment and they erected that frame in place of a large picture window. They'd have to knock the entire wall down and replace with a solid wall. This must be a private house, then. An tourist attraction would not do that.
Haven't quite a few &/or a lot of Tudor buildings from the UK, been transported to the US (not including "Old London Bridge").?
Quote from: Mercury Wells on July 02, 2020, 01:00:19 AM
Haven't quite a few &/or a lot of Tudor buildings from the UK, been transported to the US (not including "Old London Bridge").?
The "new" London Bridge was transported in 1967 to Lake Havazu, in Arizona (I've never seen it, even though I've been to Arizona many times).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Bridge_(Lake_Havasu_City)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/London_Bridge%2C_Lake_Havasu_City%2C_Arizona_%283227888290%29.jpg/800px-London_Bridge%2C_Lake_Havasu_City%2C_Arizona_%283227888290%29.jpg)
Robert McCulloch, the American purchaser of London Bridge, has denied rumours that he thought he was getting the much more recognisable (indeed, iconic) Tower Bridge ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_Bridge) ). Well, he would, wouldn't he?
Or maybe he thought he was getting the original, mediaeval London Bridge with buildings all along . . . . . no, that's an unworthy thought . . . .
Actually the "London Bridge" at Lake Havasu is a reinforced concrete structure with the outer stones of the original London Bridge applied as a sort of veneer. Nice, though.
Athanor
Quote from: Athanor on July 02, 2020, 05:50:46 PM
Robert McCulloch, the American purchaser of London Bridge, has denied rumours that he thought he was getting the much more recognisable (indeed, iconic) Tower Bridge ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_Bridge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_Bridge) ). Well, he would, wouldn't he?
Or maybe he thought he was getting the original, mediaeval London Bridge with buildings all along . . . . . no, that's an unworthy thought . . . .
Actually the "London Bridge" at Lake Havasu is a reinforced concrete structure with the outer stones of the original London Bridge applied as a sort of veneer. Nice, though.
Athanor
Indeed, it's just the granite cladding that made it across the pond.
From wiki:
QuoteThe Arizona bridge is a reinforced concrete structure clad in the original masonry of the 1830s bridge, which was purchased by Robert P. McCulloch from the City of London.
Lake Havasu was never a target of my vacation plans, however. Not enough to attract tourists outside of locals (correct me if I'm wrong)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on March 19, 2016, 06:01:56 PM
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Antwerp Railway Station.
A (not the actual) shot straight out of "Poirot & The Chocolate Box"
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/CPDMAF/london-court-a-mock-tudor-shopping-arcade-built-1937-hay-street-perth-CPDMAF.jpg)
London Court, Perth, WA.
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/AC0R7F/western-australia-perth-facade-of-london-court-shopping-mall-at-hay-AC0R7F.jpg)
Other end. The inside is also heavily decorated in the style.
(https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3669/13910420375_fff6e602ff.jpg)
Ballarat, VIC
(https://heritage.brisbane.qld.gov.au/sites/default/files/styles/place_image_1200xauto_/public/imported-images/16448%20Union.JPG?itok=2BkjQxlA)
Vailima Flats, Brisbane, QLD.
https://www.federation-house.com/tudor-revival-in-australia (https://www.federation-house.com/tudor-revival-in-australia)
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/f1dc123b-d2e5-45bf-86f8-17e457f3c264/d9m50x7-d1c86c86-681a-4019-bd72-0aa6291c332a.jpg/v1/fill/w_1024,h_768,q_75,strp/west_end_restoration_inn_by_thoughtengine_d9m50x7-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3siaGVpZ2h0IjoiPD03NjgiLCJwYXRoIjoiXC9mXC9mMWRjMTIzYi1kMmU1LTQ1YmYtODZmOC0xN2U0NTdmM2MyNjRcL2Q5bTUweDctZDFjODZjODYtNjgxYS00MDE5LWJkNzItMGFhNjI5MWMzMzJhLmpwZyIsIndpZHRoIjoiPD0xMDI0In1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.Vf1wP69vwvuXnnt4QonEFHFY_apUP8_okSnooO3B6mM)
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/f1dc123b-d2e5-45bf-86f8-17e457f3c264/d9m51i6-97582ee1-4013-44de-9882-4ec55fb20260.jpg/v1/fill/w_1024,h_768,q_75,strp/west_end_restoration_inn_by_thoughtengine_d9m51i6-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3siaGVpZ2h0IjoiPD03NjgiLCJwYXRoIjoiXC9mXC9mMWRjMTIzYi1kMmU1LTQ1YmYtODZmOC0xN2U0NTdmM2MyNjRcL2Q5bTUxaTYtOTc1ODJlZTEtNDAxMy00NGRlLTk4ODItNGVjNTVmYjIwMjYwLmpwZyIsIndpZHRoIjoiPD0xMDI0In1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.HxFPvOY7H_UCWJO3nwbOquCwaX0AmjY4A8s3pHD9DdM)
Quote from: chironex on July 05, 2020, 05:05:50 AM
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/CPDMAF/london-court-a-mock-tudor-shopping-arcade-built-1937-hay-street-perth-CPDMAF.jpg)
London Court, Perth, WA.
(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/AC0R7F/western-australia-perth-facade-of-london-court-shopping-mall-at-hay-AC0R7F.jpg)
Other end. The inside is also heavily decorated in the style.
(https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3669/13910420375_fff6e602ff.jpg)
Ballarat, VIC
(https://heritage.brisbane.qld.gov.au/sites/default/files/styles/place_image_1200xauto_/public/imported-images/16448%20Union.JPG?itok=2BkjQxlA)
Vailima Flats, Brisbane, QLD.
https://www.federation-house.com/tudor-revival-in-australia (https://www.federation-house.com/tudor-revival-in-australia)
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/f1dc123b-d2e5-45bf-86f8-17e457f3c264/d9m50x7-d1c86c86-681a-4019-bd72-0aa6291c332a.jpg/v1/fill/w_1024,h_768,q_75,strp/west_end_restoration_inn_by_thoughtengine_d9m50x7-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3siaGVpZ2h0IjoiPD03NjgiLCJwYXRoIjoiXC9mXC9mMWRjMTIzYi1kMmU1LTQ1YmYtODZmOC0xN2U0NTdmM2MyNjRcL2Q5bTUweDctZDFjODZjODYtNjgxYS00MDE5LWJkNzItMGFhNjI5MWMzMzJhLmpwZyIsIndpZHRoIjoiPD0xMDI0In1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.Vf1wP69vwvuXnnt4QonEFHFY_apUP8_okSnooO3B6mM)
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/f1dc123b-d2e5-45bf-86f8-17e457f3c264/d9m51i6-97582ee1-4013-44de-9882-4ec55fb20260.jpg/v1/fill/w_1024,h_768,q_75,strp/west_end_restoration_inn_by_thoughtengine_d9m51i6-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3siaGVpZ2h0IjoiPD03NjgiLCJwYXRoIjoiXC9mXC9mMWRjMTIzYi1kMmU1LTQ1YmYtODZmOC0xN2U0NTdmM2MyNjRcL2Q5bTUxaTYtOTc1ODJlZTEtNDAxMy00NGRlLTk4ODItNGVjNTVmYjIwMjYwLmpwZyIsIndpZHRoIjoiPD0xMDI0In1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.HxFPvOY7H_UCWJO3nwbOquCwaX0AmjY4A8s3pHD9DdM)
The first two examples date to the 20s-30s, yes? They look considerably better than the Vailima Flats building, which is more along the lines you see on American apartment buildings from the 70s. Too many examples to show, and I'm not in the mood to post barfy 70s mass produced architecture. I'm not entirely sure why Tudor became fashionable in the 70s, but now that I think about it, it's true, I remember flashes of images from childhood when we used to vacation every summer in the US.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tudor_Revival_architecture (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tudor_Revival_architecture)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Court (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Court)
Eastlake Golf Club clubhouse built in 1923, Atlanta, Georgia.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/East_Lake_Golf_Club_Clubhouse.JPG/800px-East_Lake_Golf_Club_Clubhouse.JPG)
The Bakken Museum in Minneapolis, Minnesota was built in 1928—30
It looks an awful lot like American middle-high end homes in the 1970s
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/The_Bakken_Museum_-_Medicinal_Garden_View.jpg)
Flats buildings in the "Faux Two-Door" ;D style are everywhere in the US (literally), even in areas with warm climate. I also recall that certain products to go along with the style were commonplace back then. Mass produced coloured brick, often with stamped texture was available everywhere, and mock diamond patterned stained glass window assemblies could be found at hardware stores. It never dawned on me that it was a Mock Tudor trend (I was less than 10 yrs old, why would I know? :D). It was rare to see modern architecture for homes in the United States. You would see it on Architectural Digest Magazine, for a handful of homes around the US. But truly modern upper end houses, could only be seen (to me) in Mexico or on TV shows like "The Brady Bunch." Instead, more "traditional" styles were in, and Tudor was one of them.
In the American South, a competing style was the Faux Victorian / Southern Neoclassical "Gone with the Wind /Civil War" style, and by that, I mean Greco-Roman quasi - Georgian architecture, all with gray bricks and white timber siding and fluted columns; as late as the mid - 20th century it incorporated Civil War imagery like a Confederate flag and a bust of General Lee somewhere in the garden, a very controversial topic today. As a kid I saw the architecture in San Antonio and really never understood its meaning, nor the gravity of the symbols; my goal was to spend a few days at the mall with my grandparents, eating at Luby's cafeteria and shopping for toys I could not get in Mexico, and then go on our annual trek around the American Southwest in our RV... ::). Aah, those were the days.... Ignorance is bliss. Everything looked positive back then, but obviously I was missing information.
Barrington Hall, built in 1839 is a typical antebellum plantation house, Roswell, Georgia.
The style influenced 20th century US Southern architecture well into the 1970s
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Barrington_Hall_North.JPG/800px-Barrington_Hall_North.JPG)
Maybe I should investigate that American Southern Neo-Classic style. I'm not really fond of it, as I find it *very* drab, but as long as we're talking about revival currents, it is relevant in the sense that it's tied to a legitimate Victorian Era period.
Looking at Barrington Hall, when it is raining or really sunny, does the roof actually shelter anyone on the verandah/porch?
Sorontar
If the weather is coming in from the other side of the house, or directly overhead.
I think. The main thing is that it does not allow sunlight to heat the walls of the house.
Quote from: Sorontar on July 07, 2020, 04:51:52 AM
Looking at Barrington Hall, when it is raining or really sunny, does the roof actually shelter anyone on the verandah/porch?
Sorontar
Quote from: chironex on July 07, 2020, 07:07:45 AM
If the weather is coming in from the other side of the house, or directly overhead.
Quote from: morozow on July 07, 2020, 07:25:03 AM
I think. The main thing is that it does not allow sunlight to heat the walls of the house.
As Morozow wrote, there is value in the shade over the walls. The attic under the roof as an empty (or storage) space does provide insulation (remember this is a hot and humid weather region) and there is always one side shielded, though I doubt it covers much in torrential rain.
However, I think it's value is mostly symbolic. Wealthy southern plantation owners tended to be of British descent and they tried to emulate the great manors of the old world, even though the American South is as far as you can get from the UK in so many ways, particularly weather-wise. Also Greco-Roman iconography and imagery are an important symbol of the American Republic.
Hillcrest Baptist Church in Austin called my attention some time ago, because it's style is so "Southern." This is an example of Antebellum Revival, which is a derivative of Neo-Classic. This is a contemporary building, but you can see the similarity. Do you really need that type of an entry at a church?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcTv1aUXQAAmPg8?format=jpg&name=large)
The plantations may be gone, but the symbols are still there.
The architecture of power does change, after all.
What it never manages to do, is to hide.
Quote from: chironex on July 07, 2020, 09:53:41 AM
The architecture of power does change, after all.
What it never manages to do, is to hide.
I feel it tends to ebb and flood, like the tide, or perhaps like a visiting ghost, actually, so people can just pick it up again at a later time.
I should also point out that the American Antebellum architecture does not follow British Neoclassical in that the materials may be different. Without a tradition of masonry skills and with a preponderance for light timber structures, the Americans in the Deep South substituted stone columns for wood. Plantation owners were still not wealthy enough to build in those materials, or they were simply not available in the 19th century. Consequently, stone was adopted later in the the Reconstruction Era (after the US Civil War) with more traditional building materials.
I've posted this picture a million times, it seems; this is the Littlefield House built by a wealthy Confederate officer after the war. The Antebellum style gave way to a more cosmopolitan Victorian style, though I don't see any Art Nouveau examples in Austin, that was skipped altogether. Wood gave way to local limestone of various colours, the red limestone below being the strongest colour available (now extinct). Verandas were transformed with New Orleans-styled iron railing. Houses in the Austin area, for example tended to look like this in the last decades of the 19th century, and there's a number of surviving examples peppered around Austin and neighboring Georgetown.
The Littlefield House outside of the University of Texas at Austin
Definitely not in the Southern Antebellum style, but a more cosmopolitan style.
Built in 1893 for Confederate Major George Littlefield, a benefactor of the university
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Over the years, from the start of and increasing through the mid 20th century, and perhaps because of nostalgia and alienation against the North, the Antebellum architecture was brought back as a type of Southern identity symbol. I remember the Revival Antebellum trend lasting well into the 1970s.
Sorry for the grainy picture below. This is a postcard from 1980. Imagery from the 1970s is often very hard to find. The picture in question is a postcard from Albert Pick Motel in San Antonio, Texas. I spent many times at that hotel during our annual summer vacations to the Southwest of the US. Albert Pick actually is not a southern company, it actually started as a hotel servicing company in Chicago in 1857, and it's got a very interesting history which I may post later here.
The thing about this hotel is that the lobby was located in a separate building from the rooms. The "Motor Hotel" is an American concept for a hotel with rooms accesible from the road as opposed to a closed in tower. It's a Diesel Era concept that became popular in the Atomic Age, basically. The "Club House" if you want to call it that, featured the hotel lobby and reception, plus amenities such as taxi call office, car rental office and tourist information, and an early game arcade, but the two storey building was in the form of a Southern Plantation building, and the garden between the lobby and the pool featured several Confederate Era monuments that disappeared over time.
Post cards from Albert Pick Motel, San Antonio, Texas, ca 1980.
The lobby of the hotel (background) was an Antebellum Southern Plantation style building
Probably not built much earlier than the mid 1960s, it did not survive much past the mid 80s.
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Reforma Avenue seen from Monument to Columbus.
Imperial Hotel to the right, 1920s, Mexico City.
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The video may be in Spanish, but you will hardly need a translation. It's a documentary using original film from pre-civil war Mexico. The period 1905—1905, during the "Porfiriato" period, when President Porfirio Diaz had favored European migration and the introduction of technology into the country. This is the direct equivalent of the Meïji Period in Japan when the fashion was Continental European, and anything European was adopted by the government and the well heeled. The success of the industrial revolution coupled with the racial and class disparity in the population triggered the Mexican Civil War in 1910.
"La vida en México en el Siglo XX" - 2.- Los sueños perdidos (1905-1909) (http://youtube.com/watch?v=9883fTUgtHA#)
More interesting videos. The history of the 19th century immigrant settlements in Mexico City. What is known today as "Colonia Juárez" prior to 1906 was called "Colonia Americana" (American Colony), because of the large congregation of American citizens who settled in that location. In the video they show some stills from period photos.
This is a video from a Mexican news TV program, ADN 40, who also maintain a historical chronicle. I found it on Twitter I don't know how to embed it directly without downloading it and breaking copyright law,
So I'll just drop the link here and give you some stills as well.
https://twitter.com/adn40/status/1282444247644409857?s=09
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Note the top of the building in the background - the "citadel style" was favored by the Americans.
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You can also see castle-like towers. The Americans had a certain style in their homes which differed from anyone else.
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That ugly "castle" or "citadel" style that we saw above for the American embassy in 1913 was actually common among Americans! Each immigrant group brought their own architecture, and if they were wealthy, they'd just build a large house in that style. All of these people were well to do by the standards of the Era, and in fact, Mexico City at time had areas with some of the highest rental rates anywhere. In contrast, Central Europeans built in their own style. Not necessarily identical to their place of origin, but some details from Germany or Czech would be recognizable, as well as French style buildings. Most of those buildings were lost in time.
Europeans brought a different "continental" style, in some cases identifiable as French or German.
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After the Revolución, the name of assassinated President Francisco I Madero was plastered all over country, same as another President, Venustiano Carranza. This picture is the corner of [President] Madero Street with [Friar] Motlínia Street during the 1920s.
Jewelry shop and photography businesses among others.
Corner of Madero and Motolínia Streets, Mexico City, 1920s
Note the Art Nouveau style awning, far left, and the sign that reads "Kodak's."
You can zoom into the picture
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"Casa Borda" an 18th century building on the corner of Madero and Bolívar streets, photographed in the early 20th century. It's unclear if this photo preceeded the naming of Madero Street, probably it does, though in the 1920s you could still see carriages on the street and many Victorian business facades were still standing. Shows the "Great Red Room" (El Gran Salón Rojo), the first cinema in Mexico. Note the American physician's and dentist's signs on the building. "Dr. A J Coats, Physician. Surgeon," "Dr. D M Fagg, American Dentist."
Early 20th century, undated. Cinema and medical offices.
Corner of what would later be called Madero and Bolívar Streets. Mexico City.
You can zoom into the picture
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The National Medical Institute, Mexico City, was inaugurated in July 1890, and is still standing today, but semi-abandoned at the moment. At some point in time it was turned into an agricultural administration building.
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All that grafitti shows that people in your location really don't care about their built environment. I have never seen a quality building abused that way so systematically without anyone taking any remedial action.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on July 20, 2020, 10:49:13 AM
All that grafitti shows that people in your location really don't care about their built environment. I have never seen a quality building abused that way so systematically without anyone taking any remedial action.
You haven't been to Detroit. Or Los Angeles. Or pretty much any major American city. There is a scumbag culture of people who think it's their right to paint on buildings.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on July 20, 2020, 10:49:13 AM
All that grafitti shows that people in your location really don't care about their built environment. I have never seen a quality building abused that way so systematically without anyone taking any remedial action.
Things are much worse since the new federal administration took over. I don't want to get into politics, but you can DM me if you're curious. Mexico's attention grabbing growth and European /Asian migration in the last 2 decades (stereotypes of drug cartels and migration nonwithstanding) stopped cold-turkey one whole year before Covid-19 because of political ideology. Example: the government is proposing limiting the rights of renters, favouring squatters. Unneeded "austerity" measures have taken up to 75% off from the archeological and preservation efforts (not related to COVID). The next 4 years will see both prehispanic and colonial buildings crumble and potentially modern private property and private industry expropriation. Never mind the 100s of thousands of deaths happening this year. Mexico is in its fight for life right now.
Mexico's House of Deputees (directly equivalent to House of Representatives in the US or similar to the House of Commons in the UK) in the 1940s. Today it houses the capital city's congress.
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The Houses of Hugo and Clara Scherer; Wealthy German Migrants in Mexico.
Herr Scherer was said to be of Alsatian origin , but little is certain because there are at least contemporary immigrants with the name Scherer, one of them being a Jewish family. What is known about him is that he was a German industrialist associated with the mining industry. Most of the information obtained comes from Maria-Lourdes Farnés Scherer (grand-daughter of Hugo Scherer Sr. y niece of Hugo Scherer Jr.) and the information is complemented information written on The industrialization of Mexico, 1890-1940, by Stephen H. Haber.
Hugo Scherer, German industrialist and diplomat in Mexico - undated
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Hugo Scherer probably arrived around 1867, just after the French Intervention in Mexico with a wave of German migrants. In 1888, he married a woman by the name of Clara Scherer-Pino a Mexican-German herself who has the same last name, and is thought to be related to him somehow (leading to the Scherer-Scherer compound surname for their 4 children in Spanish nomenclature). In the photo below Clara Scherer and Hugo are seen at a meeting at the German Club in Mexico City
Clara Scherer (1st one standing at left), at the German Club in Mexico City - undated
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Mr. Scherer was a member of the board of directors at the Santa María de la Paz Mining Co. and "Minas de Fierro del Pacífico" as well as director of the "Mexican Mining and industrial Company" but also became a liaison for Persian Consulate in Mexico. Additionally he was a founding member of board at the national bank, "Banco de Mexico." He went on to found at least three other financial institutions. So needles to say these were very well-heeled people, which explains the size of the houses you will see below.
First Scherer Mansion on famed Reforma Avenue, Mexico City
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Hugo Scherer only lived for 3 years in the Reforma Avenue House, which at the time was sufficiently central for him to tend to his business and consular duties. But as time went by, he veered away from mining and diplomacy and entered the manufacturing industry with his son, first founding a cotton textile company, a cigar making company and a dynamite manufacturing company. At that point Hugo and Clara moved to a second mansion, shown below
The second Scherer mansion circa 1891 in what is now Sadi Carnot Street in Mexico City
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By 1891, Hugo and Clara lived in a second opulent mansion, but apparently that was not enough and having money to spend , they built a "chalet /country home" in the then-far away town of Mixcoac (now fully engulfed by Mexico City), which was done in an "Old-World Style" reflecting their German roots.
The Scherer's "Chalet Country Home" in Mixcoac, Mexico City
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Which is not to say that the forst mansion of Reforma Avenue was abandoned. Quite the contrary, there are architectural record with plans that show remodeling proposals for the old Reforma Avenue house, like this one from 1907, drawn by architect Manuel Cortina-Garcia. The project would be awarded to Civil Engineer Salvador Echegaray, for his 1906 proposal, and because he has experience in building houses at that location as well as munuments in just outside the house on a Reforma intersectiion, like the Christopher Columbus Statue.
Rejected remodeling proposal for the old Reforma Ave. House, in 1907
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An interior shot of the remodeled Scherer House on Reforma
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Winter shot of the Statue ot Christopher Columbus on a Reforma avanue intersection (foreground). The old Scherer House in the background
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Hugo Scherer Sr. died while on a trip to Germany in 1909. Before his death Hugo Sr. had planned to receive a German delegation for the 100th anniversary (centennial) of the Mexican Independence. Later, his son, Hugo Scherer-Pino (aka Hugo Scherer Jr.) having built three business ventures with his fatherm built a more "modest" mansion, also on the famed Reforma Avenue... The Sherer Jr. house instead was used to receive the German delegation in the Mexican Centenary Celebrations of September 1910.
The Hugo Scherer Jr. House on Reforma Avenue. Photo ca. 1926.
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But 1910 was also the start of the Mexican Civil War (aka Revolucion of 1910), and in 1913, when President Madero was deposed and assasinated by Victoriano Huerta (I talked about this in other posts above), Allied troops entered Mexico City. The old Scherer House on Reforma avenue was heavily damaged by artillery fire.
The old Scherer house was damaged when troops entered Mexico City in 1913.
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México city in the 1920s
Así era la Ciudad de México en los años 20 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xoJGpYxJ92c#)
Stack Rock Fort, Wales - Look it up, the interior is way cool.
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Quote from: Dave Leppo on August 30, 2020, 01:00:31 PM
Stack Rock Fort, Wales - Look it up, the interior is way cool.
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If you have a spare 9M you can get 3 on the south coast of UK.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-hampshire-53838761 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-hampshire-53838761)
Quote from: Dave Leppo on August 30, 2020, 01:00:31 PM
Stack Rock Fort, Wales - Look it up, the interior is way cool.
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Recent images from Cairns, Gordonvale, and Townsville.
Quote from: chironex on September 07, 2020, 12:14:25 PM
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It reminds me of the old Michigan State Police posts:
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This same identical building can be found along the old highways all over Michigan.
Strange, but most of those look decidely modern to my eyes.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on September 07, 2020, 07:01:21 PM
Strange, but most of those look decidely modern to my eyes.
We'd have to go over them one by one.
Some of the structures look Victorian like the Cairns Post building, a few others look like late 19th or early 20th century buildings that have been "plastered over,," so it's very difficult to tell the age of the buildings. The first two at the top are just "new" modern buildings stylised in a "conservative" architecture (I call it "Walgreen's Architecture" after the pharmacy chain in the US). I can see another few as original Art Déco, like the Jack & Newell building and the "Chambers" building. And 3 of them could have been Victorian but were built in the Art Déco era (Barrier Reef hotel was built in 1926 according to Google).
I'm going to hazard a guess and say most of the area was built in the Art Déco Era, with the Post Office being the oldest structure..
Quote from: RJBowman on September 07, 2020, 03:21:17 PM
Quote from: chironex on September 07, 2020, 12:14:25 PM
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It reminds me of the old Michigan State Police posts:
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This same identical building can be found along the old highways all over Michigan.
The stone entrance to the building is a dead giveaway this is possibly an Art Déco era building. Possibly 1940s. Even though the building is not Art Déco.
A lot of the old Australian two storey buildings often have the top balcony filled in, especially if they are no longer residential. They often have other additions. You sort have to look hard to try and date the buildings.
Sorontar,
who is watching a series called Further Back in Time for Dinner, for which the production team renovates the inside of a country colonial-style homestead to "match" a different decade from 1900s-1940s each week. Last week (1900-1909) had no electricity, only briefly metered gas and a meat-safe while the "acting" family escaped the plague in Sydney (they filmed it at the start of the year and had no idea about the pandemic - their main concern was the bushfires!). This week (1910-1919) they will get a refrigerator I think!
Residential or not, means little. The verandahs ended up as enclosed galleries or even rooms on houses, because of two discoveries: mosquito-borne diseases and air conditioning. Most people with the latter would prefer more enclosed space than the risk of the former. Particularly if the house becomes units.
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Quote from: RJBowman on September 07, 2020, 03:21:17 PM
Quote from: chironex on September 07, 2020, 12:14:25 PM
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It reminds me of the old Michigan State Police posts:
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EG2bKp1WLPU/W3tz9E925VI/AAAAAAAB2e0/616eSqUztzEU9apWWN_x_7islrPMg5VMACKgBGAs/s1600/police01.jpg)
This same identical building can be found along the old highways all over Michigan.
The stone entrance to the building is a dead giveaway this is possibly an Art Déco era building. Possibly 1940s. Even though the building is not Art Déco.
Officially opened 1946.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on September 07, 2020, 08:35:38 PM
Some of the structures look Victorian like the Cairns Post building, a few others look like late 19th or early 20th century buildings that have been "plastered over,," so it's very difficult to tell the age of the buildings. The first two at the top are just "new" modern buildings stylised in a "conservative" architecture (I call it "Walgreen's Architecture" after the pharmacy chain in the US). I can see another few as original Art Déco, like the Jack & Newell building and the "Chambers" building. And 3 of them could have been Victorian but were built in the Art Déco era (Barrier Reef hotel was built in 1926 according to Google).
I'm quite sure these developments, then, are totally fake:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50318892481_8af6f5a00a_b.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50318225373_4d912ccd07_b.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50318225238_5cdc12cb4e_b.jpg)
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There are two of these lanes in the same block.
Quote from: Sorontar on September 08, 2020, 03:09:16 AM
A lot of the old Australian two storey buildings often have the top balcony filled in, especially if they are no longer residential. They often have other additions. You sort have to look hard to try and date the buildings.
Sorontar,
who is watching a series called Further Back in Time for Dinner, for which the production team renovates the inside of a country colonial-style homestead to "match" a different decade from 1900s-1940s each week. Last week (1900-1909) had no electricity, only briefly metered gas and a meat-safe while the "acting" family escaped the plague in Sydney (they filmed it at the start of the year and had no idea about the pandemic - their main concern was the bushfires!). This week (1910-1919) they will get a refrigerator I think!
Effectively that happens a lot. CDMX is chockful of Victorian Era buildings whose facades were destroyed during the civil war around 1913, and then they were rebuilt after the war in the 1920s. As a result Victorian homes and buildings turned into Art Deco buildings, and without any data, it's impossible to date.
Quote from: chironex on September 08, 2020, 07:05:22 AM
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I'm quite sure these developments, then, are totally fake:
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Define "fake." By that you mean "Not Victorian"? If so, then I'm sure the Cairns Post Office is not fake. And the EIG Cash & Carry building looks Victorian too. I thought at first the Grafton House and the Chambers Building (one in the corner) were Victorian, but it reads "Est. 1923" on the entablature of the Chambers Building at the corner, and the Grafton reads "1930."
I thought at first that the Barrier Reef Hotel was Victorian - certainly looks a lot like pictures of turn of the century business districts in CDMX (Mexico City), as well as certain buildings in New Orleans in the US, but Wikipedia has it listed as a 1926 structure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_Reef_Hotel
The "Boon Boon Beauty Centre: building, definitely is a modern structure -or- an older building that has been completely re-done. As well for the Evert House which reads "1962" on the entablature (try to zoom in your web browser).
There are a lot of Victorian Era establishments in Austin in the red light district (6th Street) whose Victorian buildings were so dilapidated that entirely new facades were made in the mid 19th. C. People back then didn't care to erase the Victorian aesthetic and replace it with Art Deco or something completely unrecognizable, so all you have is the outline of the "Old Wild West" styled building entablature to tell you this was possibly a Victorian building. The Keebles Building could be one of those genuinely Victorian, but barely recognizable types.
A few businesses along Sixth Street Austin, Texas
Guess the age of the buildings
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhYUPGgWAAEdAJS?format=jpg&name=large)
In CDMX there are a lot of buildings in Polanco Burrow, that similarly were turn of the century homes and were turned into Art Deco buildings. I think the Jack & Newell Building in Cairns is a prime candidate for that and it reads "1893" on the entablature, but I can't tell if that is the business age or the building age. I'll assume it's the building - the style is definitely redone in Art Deco.
A Louis Vuitton shop in (Presidente) Masaryk Ave. Polanco Borough, CDMX
This Victorian Era building was renovated to the point of oblivion during the 20th. C
Most likely it went through an Art Deco phase in the 1930s. It's totally unrecognizable as either.
Major structural changes were made on the facade over 100 years
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhYPRcqWAAApGu5?format=jpg&name=large)
Now look at this Cartier shop, also in Masaryk Ave. How old do you think it is?
The stone quoins are a dead giveaway. If the walls and roof are any indication, this could be turn of century.
But which century? 19th? or 20th? ;D Actually it's both. A heavily renovated 1900s private house.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhYRIk5WoAEp6gq?format=jpg&name=large)
The last few pictures that you posted above are very difficult to date - there's no facade and could have been built at any period of time. The architecture is very traditional with what we call "wood siding" in the USA - but you can find present-day buildings that look exactly like that in the South and Eastern Seaboard of the US. There was a shopping mall along the marina of San Diego Bay in California some of whose whose buildings looked exactly like that in 1988 when I was living there. The building was meant to match older buildings in that style.
A building in Seaport Village, San Diego, California. Est. 1978
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhYN8VVWkAE61V0?format=png&name=large)
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on September 08, 2020, 08:07:55 AM
Quote from: chironex on September 08, 2020, 07:05:22 AM
SNIP
I'm quite sure these developments, then, are totally fake:
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Define "fake." By that you mean "Not Victorian"? If so, then I'm sure the Cairns Post Office is not fake. And the EIG Cash & Carry building looks Victorian too. I thought at first the Grafton House and the Chambers Building (one in the corner) were Victorian, but it reads "Est. 1923" on the entablature of the Chambers Building at the corner, and the Grafton reads "1930."
I thought at first that the Barrier Reef Hotel was Victorian - certainly looks a lot like pictures of turn of the century business districts in CDMX (Mexico City), as well as certain buildings in New Orleans in the US, but Wikipedia has it listed as a 1926 structure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_Reef_Hotel
The "Boon Boon Beauty Centre: building, definitely is a modern structure -or- an older building that has been completely re-done. As well for the Evert House which reads "1962" on the entablature (try to zoom in your web browser).
Yes, that sort of "fake".
Sometimes some people just will not follow the latest fashions, which is why you get those pubs forty years out of date. Then again, some people may have just had the mindset of "this is what a pub looks like" and that's that.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/StateLibQld_1_151527_Railway_station_at_Cairns%2C_ca._1925.jpg)
Cairns Station, around 1940. Replaced with a brick block in 1955. Building may be the original 1890s station? Perhaps? Looks sort of like a pub...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/StateLibQld_1_102855_Cairns_Railway_Station%2C_ca._1890.jpg)
Quote from: chironex on September 08, 2020, 11:54:52 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on September 08, 2020, 08:07:55 AM
Quote from: chironex on September 08, 2020, 07:05:22 AM
SNIP
I'm quite sure these developments, then, are totally fake:
SNIP
Define "fake." By that you mean "Not Victorian"? If so, then I'm sure the Cairns Post Office is not fake. And the EIG Cash & Carry building looks Victorian too. I thought at first the Grafton House and the Chambers Building (one in the corner) were Victorian, but it reads "Est. 1923" on the entablature of the Chambers Building at the corner, and the Grafton reads "1930."
I thought at first that the Barrier Reef Hotel was Victorian - certainly looks a lot like pictures of turn of the century business districts in CDMX (Mexico City), as well as certain buildings in New Orleans in the US, but Wikipedia has it listed as a 1926 structure
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrier_Reef_Hotel
The "Boon Boon Beauty Centre: building, definitely is a modern structure -or- an older building that has been completely re-done. As well for the Evert House which reads "1962" on the entablature (try to zoom in your web browser).
Yes, that sort of "fake".
Sometimes some people just will not follow the latest fashions, which is why you get those pubs forty years out of date. Then again, some people may have just had the mindset of "this is what a pub looks like" and that's that.
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Cairns Station, around 1940. Replaced with a brick block in 1955. Building may be the original 1890s station? Perhaps? Looks sort of like a pub...
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/StateLibQld_1_102855_Cairns_Railway_Station%2C_ca._1890.jpg)
I would say that a great majority of the United States is like that. We have a very particular way of building a house. It followed us from the Wild West Era, and it just won't let go. In the United States you have to be a very eccentric billionaire who doesn't give a rat's behind about the neighborhood association to actually build a modernist house. Most neighborhoods, even in the $5 million range will not let you build a modern house.
Availability of materials is a big part of it too. North America has an abundance of forests and wood is the cheapest way to build. As soon as you cross the southern border you suddenly switch to masonry buildings. Conifer forests are not as common, and instead you have either high desert with smaller alpine forests or along the beaches dense tropical vegetation. Wood is not the first choice, and it actually is more expensive than brick, concrete or cinder block.
This architecture follows that change. Large modern brutalist structures are the order of the day, outside of Baroque architecture
Mmmm. I think that we need a change of pace. That American Southern Plantation style is too insipid for my taste. I'm down to historical photos of Mexico City (though I don't doubt I can still get some great images of private houses). And we keep jumping to Art Deco which is outside the Victorian Era.
My inner faun is pushing me to re-visit Art Nouveau...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ehrj1DNXYAA1pMo?format=jpg&name=large)
Let's start with these house hidden in the mountains of Central Europe.
I imagine a newwly built Art Nouveau Cottage in Hrensko, in the Czech Republic. Built in 1905
You can zoom into the picture (right click on Mozilla)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhrpOrrWoAAkOyY?format=jpg&name=large)
House in Zakopane, near the Tatra Mountains of Southern Poland
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhrpomTXYAAv8Mt?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhrrAr6X0AMjR8w?format=jpg&name=large)
Un-referenced/Un-sourced and undated picture from Steampunk Tendencies at Twitter. Another new build.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhrvngjWAAInQWx?format=jpg&name=large)
Entrance to Sullivan Center, Chicago. Est. 1899
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhrxHK3XcAAkj7Z?format=jpg&name=large)
"Forever" vegan restaurant on the ground floor of an Art Nouveau building, Polanco Borough, Mexico City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ehrz5RtXsAcNXvd?format=jpg&name=large)
"Restaurant Cluny" in San Angel Borough, Mexico City
I think I've shown this one before
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ehr1yAZXYAA3LBT?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ehr2FtnXgAEunrb?format=jpg&name=large)
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on September 12, 2020, 03:04:38 AM
Mmmm. I think that we need a change of pace. That American Southern Plantation style is too insipid for my taste. I'm down to historical photos of Mexico City (though I don't doubt I can still get some great images of private houses). And we keep jumping to Art Deco which is outside the Victorian Era.
My inner faun is pushing me to re-visit Art Nouveau...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ehrj1DNXYAA1pMo?format=jpg&name=large)
Let's start with these house hidden in the mountains of Central Europe.
I imagine a newwly built Art Nouveau Cottage in Hrensko, in the Czech Republic. Built in 1905
You can zoom into the picture (right click on Mozilla)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhrpOrrWoAAkOyY?format=jpg&name=large)
House in Zakopane, near the Tatra Mountains of Southern Poland
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhrpomTXYAAv8Mt?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhrrAr6X0AMjR8w?format=jpg&name=large)
Un-referenced/Un-sourced and undated picture from Steampunk Tendencies at Twitter. Another new build.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhrvngjWAAInQWx?format=jpg&name=large)
Entrance to Sullivan Center, Chicago. Est. 1899
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhrxHK3XcAAkj7Z?format=jpg&name=large)
"Forever" vegan restaurant on the ground floor of an Art Nouveau building, Polanco Borough, Mexico City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ehrz5RtXsAcNXvd?format=jpg&name=large)
"Restaurant Cluny" in San Angel Borough, Mexico City
I think I've shown this one before
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ehr1yAZXYAA3LBT?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ehr2FtnXgAEunrb?format=jpg&name=large)
I must confess, I DO like the look of an eyebrow dormer.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on September 12, 2020, 03:04:38 AM
House in Zakopane, near the Tatra Mountains of Southern Poland
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhrpomTXYAAv8Mt?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhrrAr6X0AMjR8w?format=jpg&name=large)
It looks like they're living in a mushroom. I like it.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhuRxitXYAEw1h3?format=jpg&name=large)
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on September 12, 2020, 03:04:38 AM
Mmmm. I think that we need a change of pace. That American Southern Plantation style is too insipid for my taste. I'm down to historical photos of Mexico City (though I don't doubt I can still get some great images of private houses). And we keep jumping to Art Deco which is outside the Victorian Era.
I do like these - very organic! I like the one above, also, although way too many steps for me!
However, my inner architect (who is not a faun!) is forever drawn to Art Deco!!
At some point Art Nouveau and Rococo (a late extreme version of Baroque) merge into one another. It's difficult to tell where one begins and where the other ends.
House on West Wrightwood Avenue, Chicago, Illinois.
Built in 1896 for Francis J. Dewes.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhxFbYXXYAEIpp0?format=jpg&name=medium)
In other contemporary houses, the Art Nouveau style is more defined
The "Huize Zonnebloem" (Sunflower House) in the Zurenborg district of Antwerp, Belgium.
Built in 1900 by architect Jules Hofman.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EhxLm8pXsAAV_di?format=jpg&name=large)
Most art nouveau architecture makes me a little nauseous. It looks as if someone has vomitted the architectural style over the roof of the building and it has somehow dribbled into place.
I spent the day celebrating my daughter's nineteenth in the Norwich Assembly Rooms, 1750 or thereabouts, not steampunk and quite austere on the outside but brightly decorated and beautiful on the interior, typically Georgian.
(https://i.imgur.com/PZkAP5L.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/cSNZY36.jpg)
That austere exterior style shows the Germanic roots that still runs deep in the English and British veins, whilst the flamboyant interior gives away the French blood that has imbued the Germanic character with a little tiny bit of Southern passion, not too much mind, just the right amount for pleasure but no more. A good combination that makes us English. None of that nooveau chateau chunder.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on September 13, 2020, 07:50:38 PM
I spent the day celebrating my daughter's nineteenth in the Norwich Assembly Rooms, 1750 or thereabouts, not steampunk and quite austere on the outside but brightly decorated and beautiful on the interior, typically Georgian.
(https://i.imgur.com/PZkAP5L.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/cSNZY36.jpg)
Congratulations on your daughter's birthday!
QuoteMost art nouveau architecture makes me a little nauseous. It looks as if someone has vomitted the architectural style over the roof of the building and it has somehow dribbled into place.
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That austere exterior style shows the Germanic roots that still runs deep in the English and British veins, whilst the flamboyant interior gives away the French blood that has imbued the Germanic character with a little tiny bit of Southern passion, not too much mind, just the right amount for pleasure but no more. A good combination that makes us English. None of that nooveau chateau chunder.
However, on the style...
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Your loss. The Georgian exterior is a bit too "plain toast" for my taste and outside the period. Georgian is the bread and butter for American Colonial in the Noreast (for obvious reasons). Might as well place a US Post Office logo and some letterboxes outside ::)
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Hyattsville Post Office, Prince George's County, Maryland.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eh1K7CHXgAA3NRg?format=jpg&name=large)
Old Post Office building, Brockton, Massachusetts
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eh1NDeCXcAAI5Oj?format=jpg&name=large)
The places, however could be made a bit more Steampunk with a few discrete changes (sorry, I couldn't resist, I was searching for Post Offices and this cropped up. I had to post it ;D)
Men In Black (MIB) Aliens work in the PostOffice (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xl9kWE-7aGU#)
Alright, I'll stop here. I'll behave now. ;D It's just that you can't really mess with me when I'm in faun mode.
Yes, but this Georgian is really Georgian as it came from the actual period, those picture above in the US I would guess are Georgian Style but generally being built much, much later, Victorian-plus, mock Georgian as it were.
I agree that that style is functional and a little overdone in America. Lacking their own styles they had no choice but to adopt those given to her by her forefathers from Europe. In the Victorian period Gothic rather won the battle for many government buildings in the UK, whilst in the US, the Georgian classic proportions seems to have appealed to the colonial mind looking to cement their power in architecture. I acknowledge that there is also plenty of genuine Georgian architecture dating from the same period in the US though it may be hard to tell the difference between it and the later creations.
Georgian here is seen as being solid and respectable and one step above wattle and daub that was prevalent in town houses prior to the early 1700s. If I lived in a Georgian house in the UK or America I could feel very at home, they are real homes and solid.
I could never feel at home in one of those Art Nouveau creations. Too fussy and I normally love fuss.
Technically, the United States could have had 16th century Post-Tudor architecture as a template, with the very first colonies founded in the first half of the 17th century (1607 for the failed colony of Jamestown, Virginia and Plymouth, Massachusetts established in 1620) . But the colonies were simply not well developed to support that kind of architecture. Consequently, the bulk of progress fell into the 18th century.
"Lacking their own styles"? I'd say they didn't lack styles because these were exclusively Europeans. And remained so by overpowering the existing cultures as the country expanded in the 18th and 19th century. For the 18th century colonists, Georgian was their *only choice * of architecture as brought by the dominant British group among Dutch, Flemish, Germans and Scandinavians who made up the colonies. Later, toward the turn of the 18th century and into the 19th century, the American nation copied the Renaissance Revival style, also from Great Britain, and with much inspiration from the architectural orders of ancient Greece and Rome, since that was a symbol of the Republic.
Or let me put it in another way. They were not going to adapt Native American culture building practices. Native Americans or African slaves' ancestral architecture did not carry any weight in American society whatsoever. And the closest examples of "brick and stone" architecture could only be found in ancient Puebloan /Anasazi settlements in what is now Arizona /New Mexico/Utah and Colorado, a territory that was at the time not even known, (except through accounts by Lewis and Clark) and much less envisioned as a possibility for settlement by newly independent Americans.
Once the United States expanded that far into the continent, after war with Mexico (1846-48), a few styles like the California Mission style and the New Mexico Adobe styles were "incorporated" but only at a very limited local level, that didn't become popular until the start of the 20th century. Like the Native before them, the small pockets of Spanish or Mexican culture in the Southwest territory were obscured in their entirety by the migrants who took the territory. There are however, local examples of German culture in Texas, but not with any level of architecture matching Central Europe. By the 1850s there are some "painted" wooden churches, for example that emulated the stone ceilings of German cathedrals in Europe, but the exterior of the building is typical "American Prairie." And don't forget the New Orleans French architecture, that's probably as "ethnic" as you can get.
So no. There was never any choice for Americans. That's why most of the interesting, truly-American architecture is basically 20th century architecture (eg Frank Lloyd Wright).
The Novo-Spaniards after the Conquest, on the other hand, could adopt native building practices, and in a sense, they did precisely that, with the locally available volcanic and sedimentary rock, and at first slave native labour, but it was done in European fashion, copying the Renaissance and later Baroque architectural styles. At the beginning on the 16th century, they often used the very same stones that were quarried and carved by the native to build their pyramids, and they trained the natives in the European stone carving style. The rest, you can see today, as was carried on by a population who melded Spanish and Native roots.
Hamburg Street as seen from the corner with Havre Street,
Mexico City, circa 1920
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EloP67zVcAI28rV?format=jpg&name=large)
Found that on Google Streetview - https://www.google.com.au/maps/@19.4277802,-99.161487,3a,75y,176.68h,106.37t/data= (https://www.google.com.au/maps/@19.4277802,-99.161487,3a,75y,176.68h,106.37t/data=)!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syp_PivskfABJ53Hfy7upkA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 Still nice.
Quote from: Sorontar on October 31, 2020, 07:44:15 AM
Found that on Google Streetview - https://www.google.com.au/maps/@19.4277802,-99.161487,3a,75y,176.68h,106.37t/data= (https://www.google.com.au/maps/@19.4277802,-99.161487,3a,75y,176.68h,106.37t/data=)!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syp_PivskfABJ53Hfy7upkA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 Still nice.
Yes, it looks like the house is still standing. The map reads "English House Restaurant. " Colonia Juárez used to be the American Borough, before President Porfirio Díaz renamed it after President Benito Juarez sometime before 1910
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ElqthmnXgAccfdh?format=jpg&name=large)
Quote from: Sorontar on September 08, 2020, 03:09:16 AM
A lot of the old Australian two storey buildings often have the top balcony filled in, especially if they are no longer residential. They often have other additions. You sort have to look hard to try and date the buildings.
Sorontar,
who is watching a series called Further Back in Time for Dinner, for which the production team renovates the inside of a country colonial-style homestead to "match" a different decade from 1900s-1940s each week. Last week (1900-1909) had no electricity, only briefly metered gas and a meat-safe while the "acting" family escaped the plague in Sydney (they filmed it at the start of the year and had no idea about the pandemic - their main concern was the bushfires!). This week (1910-1919) they will get a refrigerator I think!
Interesting concept. I'll keep fingers crossed that the show will show up on an NZ TV station. It was a different way of life back in the various days
(https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/ed76b3dcde8557bec23e86af265a2478)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c8/bb/0c/c8bb0c2524340cdb3e99acc7646e83ca.jpg)
(https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/08/47/91/73/the-shambles.jpg)
The Shambles, York. Named for an obsolete word for an open-air meat market. This is because that's what it was; it was full of them around 1827, but there are no more. It was a horrid place, complete with runnel down the middle of the lane which would drain away all the stuff from the animals that the butchers wouldn't be able to sell, eg. guts, blood, offal.
Now full of specialist artisan shops, pubs/cafes, and empty storefronts because the rent is so high and they may not do that well.
Allegedly the inspiration for Diagon and Knockturn alleys:
(https://www.leparcorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/wizarding-world-of-harry-potter-diagon-alley-1.png)
They even have shops there such as The Boy Wizard and the Shop Which Must Not Be Named.
and some good pubs!
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on November 08, 2020, 09:48:21 AM
and some good pubs!
Keep them coming! I know they're more buildings hiding somewhere
National Geology Institute
Mexico City, circa 1930
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EmFtF_TVoAI_MZD?format=jpg&name=large)
For some reason it makes me feel that Thomas Dolby is going to pop out, singing "she blinded me with science"
August 15, 1914. Constitutionalist faction troops ride their horses along with an electric tram
in front of the National Museum and San Carlos Academy, on Coin Street, Downtown Mexico City.
Image from the Mexican Civil War. Troops from 5 warring factions marched on Mexico City
after President Francisco I. Madero was deposed and assassinated by Victoriano Huerta in 1913;
Photo source Tlatoani_Cuauhtemoc @Cuauhtemoc_1521. Image in public domain.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/En4qPBrWMAITdwV?format=jpg&name=large)
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Somehow, I don't think this was 2013/2014.
Quote from: Sorontar on November 28, 2020, 10:12:33 AM
Somehow, I don't think this was 2013/2014.
Humbug. You're no fun. What's the point in being a Steampunk, then? ;)
High society ladies during the flower festival in 1909 at the Chimalistac borough of Mexico City.
Chimalistac was a prehispanic settlement which fell under the Carmelita de San Ángel parochial college
during Spanish rule and became a residential borough in the late 19th C.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EoP2XjaWMAENuGN?format=jpg&name=large)
Some views from the now very eclectic Borough of Chimalistac one year ago, before Covid -19
【4K】WALK MEXICO City Alvaro OBREGON CDMX slow tv TRAVEL Vlog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3_v2o3EfJk#)
Chimalistac is very much inside the greater borough of San Angel...
which is even more eclectic
4K WALK MEXICO CITY San Angel Ciudad de Mexico CDMX Travel Vlog (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFrfb2yq9TA#)
P.S. DID ANYONE GET REALLY ANXIOUS, NOW IN THE COVID-ERA WATCHING THAT LAST VIDEO WITH THE CROWDS AND THE TRAFFIC JAM? ;D
(https://www.queenslandrail.com.au/History/PublishingImages/1899_Alexandra-Bridge,-Fitzroy-River,-Completed-2-Nov-1899_970x400.jpg)
Alexandra Bridge, Rockhampton. 1898-9.
(https://qalbum.archives.qld.gov.au/sites/default/files/styles/max_1400px_width/public/2017-07/Roma%20St%20Station%201880.jpg?itok=yZYpkP8S)
Roma Street Station, Brisbane, 1880s
18th of September Ave. crossing with Gante Street, in downtown Mexico City, in the 1920s
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ep8szFBUwAAKVv-?format=jpg&name=large)
Quote from: chironex on December 03, 2020, 08:33:40 AM
https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/128702070_3926109317434031_4511459828788892137_o.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=2&_nc_sid=2c4854&_nc_ohc=M-rzrP_JavUAX__dcOF&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=2fde5578f0befedddd61ddc3cfb8cba9&oe=5FECB8DA
Alexandra Bridge, Rockhampton. 1898-9.
https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/128538896_3766945013368351_4424607805676471692_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=2&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=OzJguX85yX0AX8o4Ibv&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=914cd53b12fd9cc0a4080b157e5fb819&oe=5FEF52FE
Roma Street Station, Brisbane, 1888
I think the URL signatures expired in your pictures.... let me see if I can recover the photos... :-\ Mmmm. No. the URLs are too long and can't be found on cached content on the web...
I don't think it's been mentioned (at least not recently) but the Musical Instrument Museum in Brussels is a fine example of the genre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_Instrument_Museum_(Brussels) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_Instrument_Museum_(Brussels))
http://www.mim.be/en (http://www.mim.be/en)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-04/historical-photos-of-brisbane-digitised/13089956?nw=0 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-04/historical-photos-of-brisbane-digitised/13089956?nw=0)
"Almost 100 historical photographs of Brisbane and its surrounding regions have been brought to life for the digital age, painting a clearer picture of what the river city was like in the 19th century."
Sorontar
Quote from: Sorontar on February 04, 2021, 07:31:41 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-04/historical-photos-of-brisbane-digitised/13089956?nw=0 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-04/historical-photos-of-brisbane-digitised/13089956?nw=0)
"Almost 100 historical photographs of Brisbane and its surrounding regions have been brought to life for the digital age, painting a clearer picture of what the river city was like in the 19th century."
Sorontar
Ooh! Very nice. It's interesting and sad when 19th century buildings are replaced, though.
The main railway station in Hannover is worth a visit, though there are no longer steam trains
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Hannover-hauptbahnhof.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Hannover-hauptbahnhof.jpg)
I saw this a couple of days ago in my Twitter feed. I think I may have shown this interior many moons ago, but it's the colonial era "Biblioteca Palafoxiana" in the city of Puebla, Mexico. Founded in 1646, it's actually the oldest public library in the Americas. Not Steampunk, per se, and not Victorian. But what is Steampunk without a good library full of obscure tomes spanning the ages?
The Palafox Library, Puebla, Mexico (http://youtube.com/watch?v=5_P63KbO3IA&feature=youtu.be#)
This railway station was opened in 1903
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wemyss_Bay_railway_station
Quote from: E.J.MonCrieff on February 11, 2021, 11:21:49 PM
This railway station was opened in 1903
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wemyss_Bay_railway_station
I reallly like the dome/ceiling.
Did I remember to post this?
https://21chesterplace.com/house-history/ (https://21chesterplace.com/house-history/)
It came up when Haunted Dimensions was working on a recent kit...
https://www.haunteddimensions.raykeim.com/index301.html (https://www.haunteddimensions.raykeim.com/index301.html)
Quote from: chironex on February 21, 2021, 01:16:22 PM
Did I remember to post this?
https://21chesterplace.com/house-history/ (https://21chesterplace.com/house-history/)
It came up when Haunted Dimensions was working on a recent kit...
https://www.haunteddimensions.raykeim.com/index301.html (https://www.haunteddimensions.raykeim.com/index301.html)
That's the most fascinating story I have ever read about a house. Thank you for posting!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/Euy_uElVkAMxhoA.jpg)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-10/brisbane-heritage-listed-broadway-hotel-for-sale-on-market-qld/13233166?utm_source=abc_news_web&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_content=link&utm_campaign=abc_news_web (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-10/brisbane-heritage-listed-broadway-hotel-for-sale-on-market-qld/13233166?utm_source=abc_news_web&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_content=link&utm_campaign=abc_news_web)
"One of Brisbane's most recognisable buildings, Woolloongabba's derelict, heritage-listed Broadway Hotel has been put on the market. The 1880s-era hotel on Logan Road was the subject of numerous stop orders and enforcement orders two years ago to prevent its demolition."
(https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/7c6059e7edc260fe4019f30a73b251dd?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&cropH=460&cropW=817&xPos=74&yPos=0&width=862&height=485)
Quote from: Sorontar on March 09, 2021, 11:36:37 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-10/brisbane-heritage-listed-broadway-hotel-for-sale-on-market-qld/13233166?utm_source=abc_news_web&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_content=link&utm_campaign=abc_news_web (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-10/brisbane-heritage-listed-broadway-hotel-for-sale-on-market-qld/13233166?utm_source=abc_news_web&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_content=link&utm_campaign=abc_news_web)
"One of Brisbane's most recognisable buildings, Woolloongabba's derelict, heritage-listed Broadway Hotel has been put on the market. The 1880s-era hotel on Logan Road was the subject of numerous stop orders and enforcement orders two years ago to prevent its demolition."
(https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/7c6059e7edc260fe4019f30a73b251dd?impolicy=wcms_crop_resize&cropH=460&cropW=817&xPos=74&yPos=0&width=862&height=485)
And it's well worth saving!
Have I posted this before?.
Not a building, but just a room, in fact it's even better than a M&S Room. ;)
This secret dining room at a Burger King in Cardiff is fit for royalty. (https://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/fun-stuff/secret-dining-room-burger-king-10858933)
&
Secret room (https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=burger+king%27s+secret+room&iax=images&ia=images)
Quote from: Mercury Wells on March 16, 2021, 04:05:43 AM
Have I posted this before?.
Not a building, but just a room, in fact it's even better than a M&S Room. ;)
This secret dining room at a Burger King in Cardiff is fit for royalty. (https://www.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/fun-stuff/secret-dining-room-burger-king-10858933)
&
Secret room (https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=burger+king%27s+secret+room&iax=images&ia=images)
That really is beautiful! I guess it really is not a dining room, but came with the rental property, yes? The actual dining room looks very... Common.
No offense to Hamburger lovers out there, but Burger King just doesn't deserve that room... I've seen some fancy Burger King joints in Japan, but this would be by far and beyond the fanciest fast food joint tucked into an old building I've seen. I guess you can find some of that (restaurants in old fancy buildings) in #CDMX when all those old buildings were abandoned after 1985 earthquake and business minded people came in and rehabilitated old mansions commercially, but it doesn't count, because it tends to be either more folkloric Mexican food, or hipster linen table and waiter kind of restaurant.
Nothing old nor original. Just The Art Nouveau bar of a restaurant in Roma Borough, Mexico City, circa the 1990. "Yuppie's Sports Café" now defunct.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExOeuLlWgAAssH0?format=jpg&name=large)
I went voyaging last weekend...
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And I'm only just getting started.
The smaller brick chapel, the pebbledash villa and the bridge could be straight from the UK. They are a style successfully implemented the other side of the world, lovely to see.
Quote from: chironex on March 26, 2021, 12:52:10 PM
I went voyaging last weekend...
SNIP
And I'm only just getting started.
There's quite a prevalece of Neo-Gothic in those churches.
Love the rivets, even in high density for decorative purposes on those bridges! I guess welding or forging was not available at the time for those handrails. I don't know if it's structural as I can't see what's underneath the pavers on the walkways, but the the riveted mesh panels could function structurally, and it's an interesting feature
Hate the royal blue columns on that building over bright yellow arches and red brickwork .. I can see it's an Indian restaurant and it may be a traditional Indian color scheme. but still... :-X
Oh yes, both welding and forging were available, certainly forging, if by that you mean casting as traditional forging has been available for centuries... Bridges made of Iron are generally wrought iron as its structure is extremely strong and allows it to stretch a little without breaking. Casting tends to be hard but brittle and so unsuited for bridges as cracks are to be avoided! Welding has been around for a long time, both electric and gas but riveting was cheap, it was a 'known' technology and only requires a 'normal' source of blown heat able to turn iron into a malleable state - then a bloke in a cloth cap hits the hot rivet with a hammer. Fairly straightforward. They were using the same method on tanks well into the 1940s for the same reasons.
Newer technologies such as welding could have unforeseen results and on bridges that might mean an unexpected collapse, so no use of welding on a Victorian bridge even thought the technology to do so was available.
P.S. I very much doubt that any of those rivets were purely decorative.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on March 26, 2021, 07:44:17 PM
Oh yes, both welding and forging were available, certainly forging, if by that you mean casting as traditional forging has been available for centuries... Bridges made of Iron are generally wrought iron as its structure is extremely strong and allows it to stretch a little without breaking. Casting tends to be hard but brittle and so unsuited for bridges as cracks are to be avoided! Welding has been around for a long time, both electric and gas but riveting was cheap, it was a 'known' technology and only requires a 'normal' source of blown heat able to turn iron into a malleable state - then a bloke in a cloth cap hits the hot rivet with a hammer. Fairly straightforward. They were using the same method on tanks well into the 1940s for the same reasons.
Newer technologies such as welding could have unforeseen results and on bridges that might mean an unexpected collapse, so no use of welding on a Victorian bridge even thought the technology to do so was available.
P.S. I very much doubt that any of those rivets were purely decorative.
I'm sorry, I meant locally to builders in that region at the time ;D Ha ha! My fault for not being explicit enough. Yeah I suspect that the hand rail panels are structural, and rivets would not be purely decorative. It's more of a case of functional art like the Eiffel Tower.
I see the plaque on the bridge reads 1914? That's only 24 years apart from the Paris world faire where the Eiffel was built. So not surprised that the approach would be similar.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on March 26, 2021, 04:53:05 PM
The smaller brick chapel, the pebbledash villa and the bridge could be straight from the UK. They are a style successfully implemented the other side of the world, lovely to see.
The "villa" is Mon Repos, Bert Hinkler's house in Southampton. It was dissembled and moved to that spot in the Bundaberg Botanical Gardens in 1983. Formerly a museum dedicated to Bert and his exploits, it is now decorated to approximate what his household must have been like. Entry when cleared from the nearby Hinkler Hall of Aviation (admission into the Hall required first).
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Quote from: J. Wilhelm on March 26, 2021, 09:48:22 PM
I see the plaque on the bridge reads 1914? That's only 24 years apart from the Paris world faire where the Eiffel was built. So not surprised that the approach would be similar.
I don't see that plaque. It was built 1898-1900. A plaque reading 1913 marks the time when the toll was abolished. The little inset in the plaque contains the last coin paid in toll.
Quote from: chironex on March 27, 2021, 05:25:52 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on March 26, 2021, 09:48:22 PM
I see the plaque on the bridge reads 1914? That's only 24 years apart from the Paris world faire where the Eiffel was built. So not surprised that the approach would be similar.
I don't see that plaque. It was built 1898-1900. A plaque reading 1913 marks the time when the toll was abolished. The little inset in the plaque contains the last coin paid in toll.
OK, I can read the whole text now. It does commemorate something else. It's a bit hard to read. ;D
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Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on March 26, 2021, 04:53:05 PM
The smaller brick chapel, the pebbledash villa and the bridge could be straight from the UK. They are a style successfully implemented the other side of the world, lovely to see.
They don't have a good opinion of pebbledash, these wiki lads, do they?
QuoteThough it is an occasional home-design fad, its general unpopularity in the UK today is estimated to reduce the value of a property by up to 5%.[3] However roughcasting remains very popular in Scotland and rural Ireland, with a high percentage of new houses still being built with roughcasting.
In the United States you will see roughcast, but mostly on modern commercial buildings (as an alternative to plain concrete in brutalist structures and on sidewalk pavers! It very seldom is used for residential construction, because Stucco, which is based on sand instead of pebbles is preferred over pebbledash for timber homes.
We'd find it very hard to make a pebbledash villa a subject for a museum as they are two a penny over here. In fact a pebble-dash house is generally (or certainly was) less than desirable. It just looks like an every day villa that you'd see anywhere in the UK, that is why it is quite nice to see on the other side of the world.
With regard to the bridge, it may have been prefabricated in the UK and sections shipped to Australia for assembly. As Britain was the centre of the iron and steam revolution up to that time it would have made sense to have it built where it was cheapest to do so and assemble it using local labour. Locomotives, rail, bridge sections and even all that corrugated and structural iron that you see on Australian buildings, all exported from Britain in large quantities to all the colonies. I saw the same building style in South Africa using the same materials when I lived there in the early 80s.
Pebbledash/Roughcast (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roughcast).
They certainly won't like this.
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Smeg knows what's happened there.
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Quote from: J. Wilhelm on March 27, 2021, 07:16:50 AM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on March 26, 2021, 04:53:05 PM
The smaller brick chapel, the pebbledash villa and the bridge could be straight from the UK. They are a style successfully implemented the other side of the world, lovely to see.
They don't have a good opinion of pebbledash, these wiki lads, do they?
QuoteThough it is an occasional home-design fad, its general unpopularity in the UK today is estimated to reduce the value of a property by up to 5%.[3] However roughcasting remains very popular in Scotland and rural Ireland, with a high percentage of new houses still being built with roughcasting.
In the United States you will see roughcast, but mostly on modern commercial buildings (as an alternative to plain concrete in brutalist structures and on sidewalk pavers! It very seldom is used for residential construction, because Stucco, which is based on sand instead of pebbles is preferred over pebbledash for timber homes.
If they think pebbledash / roughcast is bad what would they think of tyrolean? Personally hate it, unfortunately the external walls at the back of my house are covered in the stuff, I did consider stripping, but it took the face of the bricks off. So stuck with it I am. :'(
The house I grew up in was a Californian Bungalow (in Australia), with an external wall that was half covered with very rough concrete plastering (like can be seen on the porch wall of https://vergefinance.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/bungalow.jpg but rougher). It was very hard to paint because of its rough surface. Then the first house I bought had an interior wall like that. Again, it is hard to clean or paint. Such a wierd choice.
Sorontar
Quote from: SeVeNeVeS on March 28, 2021, 09:51:07 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on March 27, 2021, 07:16:50 AM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on March 26, 2021, 04:53:05 PM
The smaller brick chapel, the pebbledash villa and the bridge could be straight from the UK. They are a style successfully implemented the other side of the world, lovely to see.
They don't have a good opinion of pebbledash, these wiki lads, do they?
QuoteThough it is an occasional home-design fad, its general unpopularity in the UK today is estimated to reduce the value of a property by up to 5%.[3] However roughcasting remains very popular in Scotland and rural Ireland, with a high percentage of new houses still being built with roughcasting.
In the United States you will see roughcast, but mostly on modern commercial buildings (as an alternative to plain concrete in brutalist structures and on sidewalk pavers! It very seldom is used for residential construction, because Stucco, which is based on sand instead of pebbles is preferred over pebbledash for timber homes.
If they think pebbledash / roughcast is bad what would they think of tyrolean? Personally hate it, unfortunately the external walls at the back of my house are covered in the stuff, I did consider stripping, but it took the face of the bricks off. So stuck with it I am. :'(
Had to look it up. Tyrolean seems to be yet another type of cement render, and it's suspiciously similar to American Stucco, if perhaps, the Tyrolean looks a bit rougher on the surface, its basically the same thing, just sand with cement (wiki needs to put Stucco and Tyrolean render into the Cement Render page. Looks like different countries are using different names for what is basically the same thing).
What you're saying is that the cement render is applied directly over the brickwork. Ouch. That'll be difficult to strip, as cement does get absorbed by the brick, and it's extremely hard to remove without something like muriatic acid, unlike plaster, which is much easier to remove.
In the US it's applied like interior plaster in the UK, that is, over a grid of some sort, in our case a steel mesh tied through asphalt/plastic insulation to wooden panels and/or timber studs in the wall, depending. So at least removing the Stucco is relatively easy.
In the western states of the US (New Mexico, Arizona, California), since the 1980s it's widely used to make apartment buildings look "Spanish" along with cement imitation clay tile roofs and faux arches (real clay tile of they're more expensive). I like it "slightly more" than wooden siding (clapboard/ weatherboard in British English), which is to say not much, and with the fake arches, always find it insulting for its downright cultural ignorance (the "Taco Bell Effect").
Quote from: Sorontar on March 28, 2021, 12:41:14 PM
The house I grew up in was a Californian Bungalow (in Australia), with an external wall that was half covered with very rough concrete plastering (like can be seen on the porch wall of https://vergefinance.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/bungalow.jpg but rougher). It was very hard to paint because of its rough surface. Then the first house I bought had an interior wall like that. Again, it is hard to clean or paint. Such a wierd choice.
Sorontar
It sounds like we have a lot of people around the world have a go at imitating cement render. That "California Bungalow" you linked, looks like the top part is a half timber style and with the low roof makes the entry porch look like a Swiss Chalet, and the bottom is imitation stucco done just by texturing concrete. Those little fluted columns look out of place. That's a strange animal, but oddly I've seen structures similar to that in contemporary Mexican architecture, when the architect is trying to imitate foreign architecture without proper materials... Like my grandfather, who was an engineer, and not an architect ;D Our house was so weird.
My own house in CDMX was an odd mix of Swiss Chalet and brickwork. The shallow inclined roof was cement, but the multi story house was a collection of Swiss Chalet shaped buildings. Imagine a cluster of chalets, stacked on a hill like a Japanese castle. The difference was that the roof was all painted white, and the walls were all hand made brick, similar to the lower grades in British types of brick - no insulation because the weather is high altitude desert, very mild, so the interior side of the brick was varnished to intensify the orange and brown hues. There's no painting there, you just varnish the wall! The good side of that is that the wall never looks "old. The rest of the interior walls were cement plastered in white. I won't tell you what the colour of the carpet was, but it was the early 1970s
*insert Austin Powers gif*
Except they wouldn't be calling it "California Bungalow." Those rough concrete walls are what happens when you don't know/want/can make cement render and just adapt regular concrete. And yes, you will see that very often in interiors - of modernist brutalist structures from the 60s through the 80s in Mexico. You can only paint it with a roller.
Another look at a surviving member of one pair of turn of the century "Chalet" styled houses in Mexico City, built by European migrants circa 1910. This clears up a mystery for me, which I mentioned pages ago.
This is the house of a migrant couple from Milán, after they emigrated from a newly unified Italy in 1882. The house, built for Mr. Dante Cusi Castoldi and his wife, Teresa Armella Archinti was erected in the "Alpine Chalet" style over Reforma Avenue between 1907 and 1917. The house is very similar to one built by Mr. Scherer, the Alsacian mining mogul in Mexico about whom I wrote about a couple of pages ago. The Scherer "Chalet" was demolished in 1958. Thankfully there are no plans to demolish the Cusi "Chalet." It's no coincidence both houses look similar because both "Chalet summer houses" were designed by the same Mexican architect, Rafael Goyeneche.
Source; this blog is nothing less than fantastic "The Great Houses of Mexico"
https://grandescasasdemexico.blogspot.com/2014/04/quinta-chalet-de-la-familia-scherer-en.html
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Quote from: chironex on March 28, 2021, 06:50:50 AM
*large set of photos*
I was thinking that many of those buildings, especially the narrow single and second storey shop fronts, with both Victorian (eg "Steakhouse à la Carte building" and Art Déco style, (eg mustard color and pink coffee house building) look very similar to downtown Austin, and also the Neo Gothic churches as well. Then I saw the "1888" on the frieze of st least two buildings. That's about the same time frame when downtown Austin was built.
The much larger two storey buildings are more "Central European" in style, similar to the facades in downtown Mexico City, particularly the flat faced two storey buildings with arches on the second storey, and grooved paneling in the lower facade. That would be Neo Classic in style and you'd see that all over downtown CDMX. The balustrade on the roofline of the very last picture along with the arches is a dead giveaway of the architectural period. Looks like the Victorian Neo Classic building used for the 2nd American embassy in Mexico City in 1913. The style was common between 1880 and 1913. The Mexican Civil War brought that to an end.
The wood sided two storey buildings look very American. The only big difference I see is the large steel awning roof of several two storey buildings and their hand rails which are a bit different from the iron handrails of the American French South, those second storeys seem like a uniquely Australian feature.
It's nice to see all the styles in one city ;D
One thing that sets each one of them completely apart from the building styles in Europe (where many of those Australian styles originate from) is the existence of the verandah or a covered walkway of some sort, even some of the churches have outward-facing cloisters - something I haven't seen before.
Over here, there is no need to shield yourself from the sun so the verandah is largely absent from any commercial property. A verandah here is more likely to shield you from the rain and if it rains it'll be cold, so best come inside... Thus, no need for the verandah.
Religious buildings in the UK and Europe do have cloisters, of course but in the UK they are specifically for the clergy to walk in whilst keeping the weather off their heads and they do tend to be inward facing, often within a courtyard.
Those single-storey shops with a little bit of embellishment on their roofs and a little verandah, were seen in the UK, being built aplenty in the Victorian period in new towns, using the same 'colonial style'. They were considered temporary buildings however and most have been long since demolished replaced with more impressive Victorian, then Edwardian buildings as their communities flourished. Some did survive and of course and you see a few dotted about in more down-at-heel areas. The European variant of the single storey shop with a verandah is the arcade, fully enclosed and like a tiny self-contained street with a roof. Our local one in Norwich is a bit more posh with two storeys.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tournorfolk.co.uk%2Fnorwich%2Fnorwichroyalarcade.jpg&hash=71458b81f91251b9ee78337bf802ccfb0d89b22e)
In the recent past, shops were mostly equipped with awnings that came out on hot sunny days, they protected the produce and the customers from the sun and from direct rain when the product was placed outside the shop, which was often the case.
(https://photos.francisfrith.com/frith/didcot-the-broadway-c1960_d108063.jpg)
That image comes form a town called Didcot that was well-known as being a bit down-at-heel (still is) and had a parade of single storey shops that once had verandahs, all bulldozed now to make a new shopping mall. Trust me, no loss...
They say the following about this town: "What is the best view of Didcot?" Answer: "The one in your rear-view mirror".
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on March 30, 2021, 09:59:00 AM
One thing that sets each one of them completely apart from the building styles in Europe (where many of those Australian styles originate from) is the existence of the verandah or a covered walkway of some sort, even some of the churches have outward-facing cloisters - something I haven't seen before.
Over here, there is no need to shield yourself from the sun so the verandah is largely absent from any commercial property. A verandah here is more likely to shield you from the rain and if it rains it'll be cold, so best come inside... Thus, no need for the verandah.
Religious buildings in the UK and Europe do have cloisters, of course but in the UK they are specifically for the clergy to walk in whilst keeping the weather off their heads and they do tend to be inward facing, often within a courtyard.
Those single-storey shops with a little bit of embellishment on their roofs and a little verandah, were seen in the UK, being built aplenty in the Victorian period in new towns, using the same 'colonial style'. They were considered temporary buildings however and most have been long since demolished replaced with more impressive Victorian, then Edwardian buildings as their communities flourished. Some did survive and of course and you see a few dotted about in more down-at-heel areas. The European variant of the single storey shop with a verandah is the arcade, fully enclosed and like a tiny self-contained street with a roof. Our local one in Norwich is a bit more posh with two storeys.
(https://brassgoggles.net/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tournorfolk.co.uk%2Fnorwich%2Fnorwichroyalarcade.jpg&hash=71458b81f91251b9ee78337bf802ccfb0d89b22e)
In the recent past, shops were mostly equipped with awnings that came out on hot sunny days, they protected the produce and the customers from the sun and from direct rain when the product was placed outside the shop, which was often the case.
(https://photos.francisfrith.com/frith/didcot-the-broadway-c1960_d108063.jpg)
That image comes form a town called Didcot that was well-known as being a bit down-at-heel (still is) and had a parade of single storey shops that once had verandahs, all bulldozed now to make a new shopping mall. Trust me, no loss...
They say the following about this town: "What is the best view of Didcot?" Answer: "The one in your rear-view mirror".
The concept of a temporary building is not lost in the US. It should be obvious why. The rapid expansion of settlers demanded cheap and quick methods of building towns. The single or two storey shop front is very much a Wild West feature, whether built in timber plank style buildings or more permanent brick and mortar buildings - the latter of which are usually ignored in Western stereotypes, but looking at Southern and Mid West cities, were more prevalent than movies would show.
East Pecan Street (now East 6th Street), Austin Texas, 1876
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExvGyJeXEAMxhKs?format=jpg&name=large)
Many of those buildings you see in that Wild West picture of Austin in 1876 are still standing and today are part of the red light district of Austin, the area known as 6th Street, and on the shore of the Colorado River just three streets south from there it's known as the "Gas Lamp District, Basically a warehouse district around the turn of the century.
I think it was Mr. Bowman who wrote that large buildings in Chicago were first built from timber and at some point demolished and rebuilt in exactly the same style (Neo Classic) in masonry and brick. That tells you everything you need to know. Wonderful examples of "Western Neo Classic" can be found in Denver, Colorado, because that was a late-era Western city, which retained the character that Austin had when it still had dirt streets in the 1880s. It is precisely from that period that the Driskill Hotel in downtown Austin was built for wealthy cattle barons. You can't get more Western than that.
The Driskill Hotel turns 130 | 12/2016 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=5b8RcRgcmW8&feature=youtu.be#)
And far west-northwest from Austin in the Rocky Mountains, we have Denver's Brown Palace
Explore Colorado Brown Palace (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ksaox2jM3EQ&feature=youtu.be#)
It always makes me smile when Americans celebrate something being 130 years old as if that is something special. Everything here is 130 years old... at least. A third of my house if 400 years old or possibly more, most of it is 250 and the new bit is 150 years or so... OK, the garage is a mere 40 years old. All the houses in the street date from the Georgian to Victorian.
The mill at the bottom of my garden is 1766.
(https://mediacloud.theweek.co.uk/image/private/s--TM93QYfd--/f_auto,t_slideshow-image-desktop@2/v1610717300/theweek/2021/01/Norfolk%20Wagtail%20Mill%20Row%20Aylsham%20Norwich.jpg)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on March 30, 2021, 04:11:52 PM
It always makes me smile when Americans celebrate something being 130 years old as if that is something special. Everything here is 130 years old... at least. A third of my house if 400 years old or possibly more, most of it is 250 and the new bit is 150 years or so... OK, the garage is a mere 40 years old. All the houses in the street date from the Georgian to Victorian.
The mill at the bottom of my garden is 1766.
(https://mediacloud.theweek.co.uk/image/private/s--TM93QYfd--/f_auto,t_slideshow-image-desktop@2/v1610717300/theweek/2021/01/Norfolk%20Wagtail%20Mill%20Row%20Aylsham%20Norwich.jpg)
I find it interesting you don't have to travel too far to add the centuries though. Mexico City's central Zócalo is populated with buildings from the 1500s - Mexico City was "founded, " or rather renamed in 1521.
Uncle Bert, have you ever thought of turning this thread into a book on architecture? It just occurred to me that the thread has amassed a wealth of information on Modern Era architectural history.
The Great Steampunk Architectural Guide
An article about comparing old Perth, Western Australia to current Perth. Lots of short videos comparing the now and then.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-31/old-perth-unearthed-in-new-curtin-hive-photo-database/100036426 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-31/old-perth-unearthed-in-new-curtin-hive-photo-database/100036426)
See also http://www.oldperth.org.au/ (http://www.oldperth.org.au/)
Sorontar
Those awful and depressing photos. I was thinking how utterly gorgeous Perth was and then the image of Perth today was disclosed, what a complete dump.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on March 31, 2021, 11:22:46 AM
Those awful and depressing photos. I was thinking how utterly gorgeous Perth was and then the image of Perth today was disclosed, what a complete dump.
It is - and it is one of the dirtiest cities in Australia because it rarely rains, so thick dust covers everything and the piles of dog poo and cigarette butts never get washed away. Also the most dangerous for pedestrians - just because the 'walk' sign is green, doesn't mean some idiot won't mow you down. Worst 6 years of our life living there...
Quote from: Synistor 303 on April 01, 2021, 01:05:38 AM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on March 31, 2021, 11:22:46 AM
Those awful and depressing photos. I was thinking how utterly gorgeous Perth was and then the image of Perth today was disclosed, what a complete dump.
It is - and it is one of the dirtiest cities in Australia because it rarely rains, so thick dust covers everything and the piles of dog poo and cigarette butts never get washed away. Also the most dangerous for pedestrians - just because the 'walk' sign is green, doesn't mean some idiot won't mow you down. Worst 6 years of our life living there...
I had an Australian roommate from Perth, about 8(?) years ago. He used to tell me that it was a boom town with high prices, large rate of people flux, crime, and all the problems that come with that. There has to be something positive in that place, though. The physical description is similar to the "San Angeles Metroplex"- ha ha, sorry borrowing a movie line to describe the conurbation between Los Angeles and San Diego, and is in a similar geographic situation, also overpopulated and can be very beautiful or a dump, depending on where you go.
Flower competition on Juárez Avenue, downtown Mexico City, 1909.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex3KNbPWgAEsCxO?format=jpg&name=large)
Garage of SL Whitestone, showing GE "Runabout Type Mercury Rectifier" charging station for electric cars,
Schenectady, New York, 1911.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex5LJ-nWgAYU8PY?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex5LKDwWUAIcFwn?format=jpg&name=large)
Private Garage with electric charger , 1909
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex5LJ-kWQAQpGCn?format=jpg&name=large)
Private Garage of Willis T Hanson, with electric charger, 1907
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex5LKEWWEAEATXU?format=jpg&name=large)
You can see the wires running up the wall, spaced upon wooden blocks? That was because the wires were bare, uninsulated. 110v it might be, but still enough amps to hurt or injure and sometimes kill just by accidentally leaning or falling onto the bare wires. At those early electrical times there were problems finding the correct materials that would properly insulate the cables containing the electricity. In workshops and factories the general risks were high from exposed machinery and bad working practices, so what more danger did a few more exposed wires provide?
Those mercury rectifiers were so incredibly wasteful of energy whilst turning (cropping) AC current into DC to charge a battery. Incredibly impressive to watch and fascinating tech from the period worth a looksee in itself.
https://edisontechcenter.org/MercArcRectifiers.html (https://edisontechcenter.org/MercArcRectifiers.html)
PS. There were even higher voltages in the UK.
This probably a better video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhaQqgXrMMU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhaQqgXrMMU)
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on April 01, 2021, 03:39:01 AM
Quote from: Synistor 303 on April 01, 2021, 01:05:38 AM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on March 31, 2021, 11:22:46 AM
Those awful and depressing photos. I was thinking how utterly gorgeous Perth was and then the image of Perth today was disclosed, what a complete dump.
It is - and it is one of the dirtiest cities in Australia because it rarely rains, so thick dust covers everything and the piles of dog poo and cigarette butts never get washed away. Also the most dangerous for pedestrians - just because the 'walk' sign is green, doesn't mean some idiot won't mow you down. Worst 6 years of our life living there...
I had an Australian roommate from Perth, about 8(?) years ago. He used to tell me that it was a boom town with high prices, large rate of people flux, crime, and all the problems that come with that. There has to be something positive in that place, though. The physical description is similar to the "San Angeles Metroplex"- ha ha, sorry borrowing a movie line to describe the conurbation between Los Angeles and San Diego, and is in a similar geographic situation, also overpopulated and can be very beautiful or a dump, depending on where you go.
I lived in Perth for a year in my teens. All orange sand and gum trees. The long stretch of white beach all along the coast a few older suburbs and pubs were of interest. There's nothing much redeemable about the place though , {possibly too many New zealanders there} .
Thank you for posting. I need one of those! ;D
I should point out that the wires were not insulated directly by the wooden blocks. They are however completely exposed otherwise, as you write. The insulation was air. ;D You were expected to be smart enough not to touch the wires. But look closely. They're held by white cylindrical ceramic or glass insulating posts and bars nailed or wired to the timber studs of the wall. You can still get those ceramic posts even today at the hardware shop. They're actually very common. They're primarily used for overhead wiring from AC transformers downconverting from 4000 vac to 125 vac to feed the house mains. A very large number of residential areas in the US still have overhead electric installations. It's one of the oddities about the US., we're like a technology museum, where the old and the new collide.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex_6kOkWgAYb90e?format=jpg&name=medium)
Here's one. The car is great, but the really interesting part is the floor:
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This is the garage from Ruthmere Mansion in Elkhart, Indiana, a historic home that was built by the founder of Miles Laboratories.
See the wooden circle on the floor? That's a rotating platform. Many of the cars of the era did not have a reverse gear, so a rotating platform was installed in the garage; kind of like a railroad roundhouse. This saved the driver from having to manually push the car backward out of the garage.
I wish that I could find a photo that showed the entire circle and the control panel.
Also notice the painting on the wall. You don't see much original art in garages these days.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on April 02, 2021, 09:50:53 PM
I should point out that the wires were not insulated directly by the wooden blocks.
Oh yes they were insulated from each other by the spacing on the wooden blocks, ie. the air, that being exactly what I meant.
I ripped up thirty or so yards of lead-covered cable from this old house when pulling up the floorboards. It still has a couple of the original brass and wood light switches from the turn of last century where you can twirl the brass cover with your fingers to expose the live wiring beneath. No earth, 240v
(https://www.glasgowarchitecturalsalvage.co.uk/images/uploads/big_DSCN8671-GAS-2020.JPG)
This is the sort.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on April 03, 2021, 12:43:13 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on April 02, 2021, 09:50:53 PM
I should point out that the wires were not insulated directly by the wooden blocks.
Oh yes they were insulated from each other by the spacing on the wooden blocks, ie. the air, that being exactly what I meant.
I ripped up thirty or so yards of lead-covered cable from this old house when pulling up the floorboards. It still has a couple of the original brass and wood light switches from the turn of last century where you can twirl the brass cover with your fingers to expose the live wiring beneath. No earth, 240v
(https://www.glasgowarchitecturalsalvage.co.uk/images/uploads/big_DSCN8671-GAS-2020.JPG)
This is the sort.
You can still get that type (bell shaped, toggle) in bakelite, made in the US in the 1970s. More "modern" versions (stylistically speaking, but also with no ground, single pole-single throw) were available around the same time in Mexico - also in bakelite. The reason is that until very recently (1970s) there were still switches with no grounding wire, and there was no grounding wire in many buildings. Grounding standards were revamped around that time and Mexico always was a few years behind the United States, but Mexico had to follow the US, for obvious reasons. Around the 1980s Mexico caught up with the US by switching to 60 Hz and using full 3 pole jacks and plugs.
President Porfirio Díaz arrives for the inauguration of the main post office,
The "Palacio de Correos" (Postal Palace) in Mexico City, 1907
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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Palacio_Postal_Version_2.jpg/800px-Palacio_Postal_Version_2.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Palacio_Postal%2C_M%C3%A9xico_D.F.%2C_M%C3%A9xico%2C_2013-10-16%2C_DD_65.JPG/800px-Palacio_Postal%2C_M%C3%A9xico_D.F.%2C_M%C3%A9xico%2C_2013-10-16%2C_DD_65.JPG)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/14/Palacio_Postal%2C_M%C3%A9xico_D.F.%2C_M%C3%A9xico%2C_2013-10-16%2C_DD_54.JPG/800px-Palacio_Postal%2C_M%C3%A9xico_D.F.%2C_M%C3%A9xico%2C_2013-10-16%2C_DD_54.JPG)
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The Balmori Cinema opens doors on 12 September 1930. Mexico City.
It featured 1878 seats, and was located on 121 Álvaro Obregón Ave.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExYXZLUXMAIc0OC?format=jpg&name=large)
In 1866, four mule drawn trolleys were introduced in Mexico City
during the 2nd Mexican Empire of Maximilian (2nd French Intervention).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExiiQUGW8AQ1cQw?format=jpg&name=large)
By 1890, Mexico City counted with 600 mule drawn trolleys.
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Interiors of Fairymead House.
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I'm constantly getting the promos for this on every video I watch:
https://www.atlasofwonders.com/2020/10/the-mortuary-collection-house-ravens-end.html (https://www.atlasofwonders.com/2020/10/the-mortuary-collection-house-ravens-end.html)
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HRH Prince Phillip, Duke of Edinburgh, was born at Mon Repos Palace.
"Mon Repos Palace, on the Greek island of Corfu, is reached by a long, shaded driveway flanked by gardens that meanders its slightly steep path towards the mansion.
It was built in 1826 by Frederick Adams, the then British commissioner, as a gift to his spouse Nina Palatianous, during the almost four-decade-long era when Corfu was a protectorate of Britain due to the signing of the Treaty of Paris in 1815 after the defeat of Napoleon."
https://www.theage.com.au/link/follow-20170101-p53ea2 (https://www.theage.com.au/link/follow-20170101-p53ea2)
That name (Mon Repos) sure gets around.
Kimnel Hall (https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Kimnel+Hall&iax=images&ia=images)
(Currently up for sale)
Here's one in the town where I live that I've been meaning to get a photo of:
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This is the old Ament Milling Company of Monroe, Michigan. The small brick building holds the offices. I love the carved stone sheaf of wheat over the door.
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Modern editions have been added to the building but you can recognize which parts are original.
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The four-story back section is the original mill.
The old sections were probably built circa 1910. The company got acquired and reacquired in recent decades and is now part of a company called Bektrom Foods which mostly makes store-brand food mixes. I've read online that when it was still Ament, it was a common field trip for local grade school classes and many residents have fond memories of bringing home a free package of muffin mix from the field trip.
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Old Museum, Brisbane.
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Ipswich State Primary School.
I was in Brisbane over the weekend:
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Not Victorian, but this is an interesting photo.
Hotel Geneva, Mexico City. Circa 1930.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0-KpCOVcAMlsqc?format=jpg&name=large)
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 10, 2021, 07:43:21 AM
Not Victorian, but this is an interesting photo.
Hotel Geneva, Mexico City. Circa 1930.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0-KpCOVcAMlsqc?format=jpg&name=large)
Maybe not Victorian, but very Steampunk, I'd say.
Quote from: von Corax on May 10, 2021, 01:22:35 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on May 10, 2021, 07:43:21 AM
Not Victorian, but this is an interesting photo.
Hotel Geneva, Mexico City. Circa 1930.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0-KpCOVcAMlsqc?format=jpg&name=large)
Maybe not Victorian, but very Steampunk, I'd say.
It's very cinematic, isn't it? It's also very Diesel, proper to the era. Those "bay windows" (I don't know what to call them) are very unusual. On the Victorian side, it looks like they took the alley space between two buildings to build the lobby around the crystal dome, then later they installed the stained glass and the columns.
To add an Indiana Jones touch, they used a type of artisan furniture made from rosewood and leather, which is well known in Mexican Beach resorts
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1C0B1MWUAEM_pK?format=jpg&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1C0BoOXoAAyHil?format=jpg&name=large)
Being the 1930s, I think they wanted to give it a bit of the "exotic" look. It also gives a Victorian "artifacts from the Empire" look. I kind of expect to see Humphrey Bogart to walk into the scene at any time.
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Don't get me started on that roof.
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They are some great photos. I especially like the Church of St Maccas.
I seriously did not notice that there. Is it up the drive behind the church, perhaps?
To me, it looks slightly Art Deco-ish.
Barton Swing Aqueduct (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barton_Swing_Aqueduct)
The aqueduct, is the first and only swing aqueduct in the world.
Barton Aqueduct - In Operation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkFsz_7QQqY)
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King's Cross station on the King's Cross -Colney Hatch Necropolis line, the lesser-known Great Northern Cemetery railway.
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Colney Hatch Station.
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The second terminal of the London Necropolis Railway.
Source:
https://robslondon.com/the-london-necropolis-railway-the-great-northern-cemetery-company-transporting-the-citys-dead/
Quote from: Sorontar on May 11, 2021, 08:51:39 AM
They are some great photos. I especially like the Church of St Maccas.
Apparently it's some sort of downunder cult. ;D
https://www.google.com/search?q=church+saint+maccas&client=firefox-b-1-m&sxsrf=ALeKk01EjW_0mJK3RJTgX1D8lP-9sjq1Ag:1621620788793&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQ4M2YsNvwAhWOdd8KHc-mD-gQ_AUIBygC&biw=360&bih=517 (https://www.google.com/search?q=church+saint+maccas&client=firefox-b-1-m&sxsrf=ALeKk01EjW_0mJK3RJTgX1D8lP-9sjq1Ag:1621620788793&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiQ4M2YsNvwAhWOdd8KHc-mD-gQ_AUIBygC&biw=360&bih=517)
Maccas is uniquely Australian nickname... So for one or two seconds there I thought there WAS a Saint Maccas. A rather weird saint, I say with yellow and red striped suit, red hair and nose.
Is there a relation to Saint Wendy perhaps?
Now I want to start a fast-food chain named "Burger Messiah."
Quote from: von Corax on May 21, 2021, 10:35:14 PM
Now I want to start a fast-food chain named "Burger Messiah."
Burger Buddha
We like to keep our names simple. We don't actually give people titles like Saint most of the time; we just state the bleeding obvious. That's why the rival to Maccas is called Hungry Jack's, rather than being considered an edible monarch.[1]
Sorontar
[1] Actually it is because they weren't the first in Australia to call a restaurant BKing, so they had to find an alternate name.
Quote from: Sorontar on May 22, 2021, 07:07:10 AM
We like to keep our names simple. We don't actually give people titles like Saint most of the time; we just state the bleeding obvious. That's why the rival to Maccas is called Hungry Jack's, rather than being considered an edible monarch.[1]
Sorontar
[1] Actually it is because they weren't the first in Australia to call a restaurant BKing, so they had to find an alternate name.
I've read the story online. You guys missed out on having a hamburger mascot that looks like Holy Roman Emperor and King of Spain, Charles V (that's absolutely not missing out on anything, though). ;D
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on April 01, 2021, 07:54:56 PM
Garage of SL Whitestone, showing GE "Runabout Type Mercury Rectifier" charging station for electric cars,
Schenectady, New York, 1911.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex5LJ-nWgAYU8PY?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex5LKDwWUAIcFwn?format=jpg&name=large)
Private Garage with electric charger , 1909
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex5LJ-kWQAQpGCn?format=jpg&name=large)
Private Garage of Willis T Hanson, with electric charger, 1907
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex5LKEWWEAEATXU?format=jpg&name=large)
Eat your heart out, E... M...
Has anyone mentioned the Central Market in Budapest? There are some excellent photographs on Wikipedia. The place is well worth a visit, particularly for those interested in food!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Market_Hall,_Budapest#/media/File:VasarcsarnokFotoThalerTamas.JPG
Quote from: E.J.MonCrieff on June 06, 2021, 08:27:19 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on April 01, 2021, 07:54:56 PM
Garage of SL Whitestone, showing GE "Runabout Type Mercury Rectifier" charging station for electric cars,
Schenectady, New York, 1911.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex5LJ-nWgAYU8PY?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex5LKDwWUAIcFwn?format=jpg&name=large)
Private Garage with electric charger , 1909
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex5LJ-kWQAQpGCn?format=jpg&name=large)
Private Garage of Willis T Hanson, with electric charger, 1907
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ex5LKEWWEAEATXU?format=jpg&name=large)
Eat your heart out, E... M...
Charges in the lightning quick time of 6 hours with a massive range of tens of miles... :D
Yours,
Miranda.
Quote from: E.J.MonCrieff on June 06, 2021, 08:36:45 PM
Has anyone mentioned the Central Market in Budapest? There are some excellent photographs on Wikipedia. The place is well worth a visit, particularly for those interested in food!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Market_Hall,_Budapest#/media/File:VasarcsarnokFotoThalerTamas.JPG
Definitely on our wish list for travel, once of course one can travel without the current level of awfulness.
Yours,
Miranda.
Hotel Gillow in downtown Mexico City, circa 1900
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3JKGZ3UcAIeKK-?format=jpg&name=large)
Another house from the early 1900s in the horrible "citadel style" in Mexico City
The Fernando Torreblanca House, circa 1930.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4ROTMEVoAgNFuf?format=jpg&name=large)
Corner shop in Roma Norte Borough, Mexico City
"La Bella Italia" ice cream shop closed its doors to the public this January
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOWCFbuU0AA88Dk?format=jpg&name=large)
Much-needed works going on in Brisbane:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eadbK1bVBqY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eadbK1bVBqY)
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/f1dc123b-d2e5-45bf-86f8-17e457f3c264/dem6uuc-4b66434c-d35e-4ea5-88a0-3381e5a8ae7d.jpg/v1/fill/w_1024,h_768,q_75,strp/main_drag_by_thoughtengine_dem6uuc-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NzY4IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvZjFkYzEyM2ItZDJlNS00NWJmLTg2ZjgtMTdlNDU3ZjNjMjY0XC9kZW02dXVjLTRiNjY0MzRjLWQzNWUtNGVhNS04OGEwLTMzODFlNWE4YWU3ZC5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9MTAyNCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.ZuxImwNLvRttCvOeeCHEijUDemyMzEKA0TAZYL_eSf4)
(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/f1dc123b-d2e5-45bf-86f8-17e457f3c264/dem6uqy-df72e800-cbe0-4c47-9b63-988d4bb523f3.jpg/v1/fill/w_1024,h_768,q_75,strp/halifax__qld_by_thoughtengine_dem6uqy-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NzY4IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvZjFkYzEyM2ItZDJlNS00NWJmLTg2ZjgtMTdlNDU3ZjNjMjY0XC9kZW02dXF5LWRmNzJlODAwLWNiZTAtNGM0Ny05YjYzLTk4OGQ0YmI1MjNmMy5qcGciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9MTAyNCJ9XV0sImF1ZCI6WyJ1cm46c2VydmljZTppbWFnZS5vcGVyYXRpb25zIl19.iUQuXqG3XtYclyYXtl6DIieB_N7Fl7j0BELw984vd_M)
Main drag of Halifax, NQ.
Pump house point power station in Tasmania.
Now a B&B ...
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/fa9yw3.jpg)
Newtown fire station in Geelong, Victoria.
Now restored as a private residence.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/j0Pcph.jpg)
Quote from: chironex on June 26, 2021, 07:19:26 AM
Much-needed works going on in Brisbane:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eadbK1bVBqY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eadbK1bVBqY)
Interesting news report. I never knew about the timekeeping for ships (or that it was the oldest building on Brisbane).
Sorontar
Quote from: maduncle on June 27, 2021, 12:12:16 PM
Newtown fire station in Geelong, Victoria.
Now restored as a private residence.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/j0Pcph.jpg)
That's an awesome building.
Here's another converted building. A converted carriage house, formerly owned by Jehova's Witnesses in Brooklyn Heights, NYC, was sold for $9.95 million
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E48we-eWQAAj1Ar?format=jpg&name=large)
Converted old firehouse in Atlantic City, New Jersey, is offered for office space.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E48ztJJWQAABtM0?format=jpg&name=large)
A Day in Paris, 1900. A film by the Lumière Brothers.
[4k, 50fps, colorized] (1900). A Sunday in Paris. Lumiere Brothers. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=9VUVqWckLDo&feature=youtu.be#)
That is a very interesting film. I was surprised at the number of people on bicycles. Not something you tend to see in Hollywood movies. I wonder, was this more a French or Parisian thing or were bicycles quite popular on the streets of British/Italian/American cities as well?
I realise that a lot of work has been done on the film but I was also surprised at its resolution, frame rate and how stead the shots were.
Sorontar
Quote from: Sorontar on June 29, 2021, 03:08:06 PM
That is a very interesting film. I was surprised at the number of people on bicycles. Not something you tend to see in Hollywood movies. I wonder, was this more a French or Parisian thing or were bicycles quite popular on the streets of British/Italian/American cities as well?
I realise that a lot of work has been done on the film but I was also surprised at its resolution, frame rate and how stead the shots were.
Sorontar
Obviously it's been worked on, a lot. Unfortunately I don't have many details on the picture. All I know is that it was filmed for the Lumière Bros. Europe would have been more "advanced" than other parts of the world when it came to modern transportation around 1900. That would include alternative modes of transportation, I'm guessing as a fashionable activity.
In other news, I found this photo today
"Climbing on the trolley," Mexico City, 1906.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5jvqmfVgAA4LOj?format=jpg&name=large)
It has been mentioned on this thread a couple of times, but can I put in a vote for the PAPPLEWICK PUMPING STATION?
Some fine Victorian architecture, working beam engines, stained glass in the windows... and they host Steampunk events. (There's one on today!). If you cannot make it, you can always visit their website
http://www.papplewickpumpingstation.org.uk/ (http://www.papplewickpumpingstation.org.uk/)
Quote from: E.J.MonCrieff on July 11, 2021, 09:02:04 AM
It has been mentioned on this thread a couple of times, but can I put in a vote for the PAPPLEWICK PUMPING STATION?
Some fine Victorian architecture, working beam engines, stained glass in the windows... and they host Steampunk events. (There's one on today!). If you cannot make it, you can always visit their website
http://www.papplewickpumpingstation.org.uk/ (http://www.papplewickpumpingstation.org.uk/)
Oh my giddy aunt, both steampunk and classic motorcycle events held there?
I am moving in.
Quote from: maduncle on July 11, 2021, 08:27:23 PM
Quote from: E.J.MonCrieff on July 11, 2021, 09:02:04 AM
It has been mentioned on this thread a couple of times, but can I put in a vote for the PAPPLEWICK PUMPING STATION?
Some fine Victorian architecture, working beam engines, stained glass in the windows... and they host Steampunk events. (There's one on today!). If you cannot make it, you can always visit their website
http://www.papplewickpumpingstation.org.uk/ (http://www.papplewickpumpingstation.org.uk/)
Oh my giddy aunt, both steampunk and classic motorcycle events held there?
I am moving in.
Here's a video of Papplewick Pumping Station in 2013
The Papplewick Pumping Station May 2013 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=0v_QXvpZZrA&feature=youtu.be#)
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OK. I just found this video about the architecture during the "Porfiriato" period in Mexico, when President Porfirio Díaz was pushing very hard to europeanize the country and push the industrial revolution. Many of the architectural buildings you see I've shown before in this thread, but individually. This video is about buildings which were built around 1900 and designed by European (and Mexican) architects. This is a period of intense European migration into Mexico, which unfortunately also led to political instability.
Arquitectura del Porfiriato (http://youtube.com/watch?v=lc1dsQ7g_ZM&feature=youtu.be#)
Sadly the video is in Spanish, but suffice it to say that the narrators are taking about the Meiji-Era-like transformation of Mexico, and the contrast between the much favored European migrants and industrialists over the majority of the peasant citizenry, leading to the Civil War of 1910.
I am still convinced that Britain is the most steamy place on earth.
This illustrates my point.
(https://i.imgur.com/QIJdUlp.jpg)
The Crown Inn Stockport surrounded by 11 million bricks in the shape of the Stockport viaduct.
Just spent the day here:
(https://i.imgur.com/woP3aUM.jpg)
Royal Tunbridge Wells
(https://i.imgur.com/yqX6p5O.jpg)
The Pantiles, Tunbridge
(https://i.imgur.com/QbmISNC.gif)
(https://i.imgur.com/O01cqLl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/00FivhX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QF5Cm4Y.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6MVmf2N.jpg)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on July 18, 2021, 09:57:00 PM
I am still convinced that Britain is the most steamy place on earth.
No argument here.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on July 18, 2021, 09:57:00 PM
I am still convinced that Britain is the most steamy place on earth.
SNIP
How could it not be?
QuoteThe Industrial Revolution began in Great Britain, and many of the technological innovations were of British origin.[3][4] By the mid-18th century Britain was the world's leading commercial nation
My question (to myself) is how many of those buildings are heritage protected?
Sorontar
Many are protected. The Viaduct is heavily in use every day but many viaducts are grade II listed. The UK is very good at protecting buildings by listing them. It is however down to the owner to maintain them.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on July 19, 2021, 10:04:32 AM
Many are protected. The Viaduct is heavily in use every day but many viaducts are grade II listed. The UK is very good at protecting buildings by listing them. It is however down to the owner to maintain them.
Unfortunately the Authorities are now planning to fill in a number of bridges over closed railway lines in Britain for "safety reasons". This prevents the line being re-opened, or the trackbed being re-purposed as a footpath or cycle track.
Such is "progress".
On a lighter note, there's a photograph in today's "Guardian" illustrating an article about Canfranc station just insid Spain. Not strictly a Steamy Steampunk Building as it wasn't completed till 1928, but its style certainly qualifies it as an Honorary Steampunk Building.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canfranc_International_railway_station
Spent the day here today!
(https://i.imgur.com/uMeDzf9.jpg)
A bit pre-steam but mechanical enough I think due to some nearby cast iron or steel embellishments, ie. this gate:
(https://i.imgur.com/usTQDK5.jpg)
and this pillbox to defend against the Boche or the Hun.
(https://i.imgur.com/QRs6MgP.jpg)
and from a different angle...
(https://i.imgur.com/y9e83Oz.jpg)
Made of 14mm approx welded steel, capable of withstanding rifle and machine gun fire, just. Containing a mounting for a Vickers .303" or a Boys anti-tank rifle. Its position commands one of the few paths through the salt marshes next to Cley upon Sea.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on July 19, 2021, 06:24:45 PM
Spent the day here today!
(https://i.imgur.com/uMeDzf9.jpg)
A bit pre-steam but mechanical enough I think due to some nearby cast iron or steel embellishments, ie. this gate:
(https://i.imgur.com/usTQDK5.jpg)
and this pillbox to defend against the Boche or the Hun.
(https://i.imgur.com/QRs6MgP.jpg)
and from a different angle...
(https://i.imgur.com/y9e83Oz.jpg)
Made of 14mm approx welded steel, capable of withstanding rifle and machine gun fire, just. Containing a mounting for a Vickers .303" or a Boys anti-tank rifle. Its position commands one of the few paths through the salt marshes next to Cley upon Sea.
A Steampunk would look at the last two pictures and see the remnants of a Martian fighter pod.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on July 20, 2021, 01:48:02 PM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on July 19, 2021, 06:24:45 PM
Spent the day here today!
(https://i.imgur.com/uMeDzf9.jpg)
A bit pre-steam but mechanical enough I think due to some nearby cast iron or steel embellishments, ie. this gate:
(https://i.imgur.com/usTQDK5.jpg)
and this pillbox to defend against the Boche or the Hun.
(https://i.imgur.com/QRs6MgP.jpg)
and from a different angle...
(https://i.imgur.com/y9e83Oz.jpg)
Made of 14mm approx welded steel, capable of withstanding rifle and machine gun fire, just. Containing a mounting for a Vickers .303" or a Boys anti-tank rifle. Its position commands one of the few paths through the salt marshes next to Cley upon Sea.
A Steampunk would look at the last two pictures and see the remnants of a Martian fighter pod.
... or the base for a British expeditionary landing module.
Quote from: James Harrison on May 04, 2012, 11:20:10 AM
What is it, though, that makes a building specifically 'steampunk' and not just Victorian or Edwardian? I can think of several buildings off the top of my head that to me just scream 'steampunk' but that would leave others thinking 'well it just has fancy ironwork'...
You may want to research the work of Viollet-le-Duc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eug%C3%A8ne_Viollet-le-Duc) and look at the Oxford University Museum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_University_Museum_of_Natural_History).
A suitably steamy building in Oxford is the
Pitt Rivers Museum (https://www.prm.ox.ac.uk/ (https://www.prm.ox.ac.uk/)). Another is Keble College (https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/6d/25/7a/keble-college.jpg (https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/6d/25/7a/keble-college.jpg)), sometimes referred to as 'Oxfords's only knitted college', and of which it was (apocryphally) said "C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la gare".....
"C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la gare" :)
One of my favourite places on earth. We had a picture or two of it earlier.
Old house near 5th 7th Street, corner with Guadalupe St. in Downtown Austin, Texas.
Sorry for the blurry photo. Hard to keep the phone steady on the bus.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E76Huj0XoAIjkrW?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E76HujyWEAEnnog?format=jpg&name=large)
Near 6th Street, you have the Warehouse District, so called because of the turn of the century commercial buildings that remain
The Clay Pit Indian Restaurant settled for an old stone building on Guadalupe St. corner with 16th Street.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E76WsEWXoAEX7DS?format=jpg&name=large)
Businesses situated in old warehouses on the block of 16th.St. and Lavaca St.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E76WwSbWUAE4s3j?format=jpg&name=large)
It's difficult to tell the age of these houses next to river. They've been renovated many times.
The giveaway is the limestone foundations with basement.
Top is likely Edwardian/Arts and Crafts/FL Wright's Prarie School.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E76W0gGWUAMKu89?format=jpg&name=large)
The other could be as late as 1940s.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E76W4TDWUAAMhVG?format=jpg&name=large)
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on August 04, 2021, 01:01:14 AM
Old house near 5th Street, corner with Guadalupe St. in Downtown Austin, Texas.
Sorry for the blurry photo. Hard to keep the phone steady on the bus.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E76Huj0XoAIjkrW?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E76HujyWEAEnnog?format=jpg&name=large)
A decidedly steamy building. I don't think there's anything quite like this in the British Isles.
Quote from: E.J.MonCrieff on August 05, 2021, 08:13:14 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on August 04, 2021, 01:01:14 AM
Old house near 5th Street, corner with Guadalupe St. in Downtown Austin, Texas.
Sorry for the blurry photo. Hard to keep the phone steady on the bus.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E76Huj0XoAIjkrW?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E76HujyWEAEnnog?format=jpg&name=large)
A decidedly steamy building. I don't think there's anything quite like this in the British Isles.
We have quite a few left in Downtown Austin, but more in the satellite city of Georgetown, and many times more as you approach the French part of the country. Note that the French style in wrought iron percolates in the design elements of the house. I Have posted the Littlefield House at the University of Texas at Austin, on this forum many times, so if you haven't seen it, just Google it on this thread or online. The thing about Texas Victorian homes is that they are related to the American Southern plantation homes (this house shown on Guadalupe is rather big), and the materials used include a liberal amount of limestone, and if not for a more quaint house, then aat least for the foundations.
Texas sits on a limestone basin which comprises the entirety of the Gulf of Mexico, as the Gulf was much larger millions of years ago, so the whole ground is made up of limestone (which is another name for crustacean shell deposits accumulated over eons). The cities of San Antonio, Austin and Waco lie on an arcing geologic fault parallel to the coast known as the Balcones Escarpment, which divides the dry flat part of Texas and the rolling hill wet parts of Texas as you close in on the Gulf.
So wealthy Texans could afford to build large Victorian homes and buildings using stone, whereas the materials change as you go into other areas of the country.
Quote from: E.J.MonCrieff on August 05, 2021, 08:13:14 PM
A decidedly steamy building. I don't think there's anything quite like this in the British Isles.
Yes, we've had this discussion before (always good to revisit) and the style of cast iron verandahs on the outside of buildings tends to be a colonial style, cast iron being cheap to export from the foundries in the UK, a thoroughly modern and advanced material and most importantly, it withstands the weather types typically found in the colonies, warmer and dryer than at home. In the UK it is more typically used in a robust fashion in commercial premises, railway stations and arcades.
The following images are examples that I think I have not posted before.
Southport Arcade - I've not been here for a while so these are just stock photos
(https://i.imgur.com/FL6FSuO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/7LDznTD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/787Gyyy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/o2RwkEz.jpg)
When there are verandahs on houses they tend to be a little more discrete and understated.
(https://i.imgur.com/KPrlKxc.jpg)
There are more homes I can photograph down here between 5th and 7th streets on the west side near the river, but usually I'm so tired I don't have the energy to walk the 10 blocks or so away from the bus route. I'll see if I can mount an expedition. The downtown area has changed a lot in the last 10 years, and the skyline is saturates with very tall modern buildings, so you have to research ahead of time which Victorian homes you want to see.
The vast majority of Victorian homes have been converted to office space. Lawyers, architectural companies, studios, and doctor offices. That's really all that is protecting the old buildings from demolition. Someone needs to invest the money in renovation and upkeep, and so the Victorian homes are now a bit of a status symbol.
Another lovely Victorian building in SouthPort, complete with a railway line. The old StationMaster or signalman's house.
(https://i.imgur.com/am61wGY.jpg)
Miniature prisons - Wheatley Lock up
(https://i.imgur.com/d088RMj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/hOG7CUi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/gGjZpIp.jpg)
I found the house on Wikipedia. It's the Bremond House, built in 1870, by Eugene Bremond and George Feigel. It's part of the Bremond Historic Block in Austin. Which means there's more to see in that block!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremond_Block_Historic_District (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bremond_Block_Historic_District)
John Bremond House. Image Creative Commons License CC BY - SA by LoneStarMike
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/27/BremondBlock2007-02.JPG/790px-BremondBlock2007-02.JPG)
There's even a self guided tour of the area online:
https://www.gpsmycity.com/tours/downtown-historical-houses-walking-tour-3349.html (https://www.gpsmycity.com/tours/downtown-historical-houses-walking-tour-3349.html)
I think I have my first expedition mapped out for me! Right next, two blocks north and one block east (these are tiny blocks), from the Bremond House is the Hirschfield House and Cottage, built in 1873
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Hirschfield_house_2007.jpg/800px-Hirschfield_house_2007.jpg)
And three blocks due West, you have the Robinson Macken House, built in 1876
Robinson Macken House. Image by Larry D Moore, CC by SA 3.0
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Robinson_macken_house_2007.jpg/766px-Robinson_macken_house_2007.jpg)
Outside of the Governor's Mansion, the other houses may not look so interesting, but nonetheless are equally historical, and noting that not everyone was a wealthy land owner or business baron at the time. There are many more houses not listed on this tour guide, which may or may not have been registered as historical landmarks, but that's what interesting about this place. I'll keep looking for Victorian homes now that my path crosses the area.
Oops. I forgot to post the Texas Governor's Mansion, which is walking distance too.
Image CC BY SA 3.0, Larry D. Moore
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Texas_governors_mansion.jpg/800px-Texas_governors_mansion.jpg)
After seeing the photographs of Southport recently posted here, I was reminded of the iron roof of Cardiff Central Market. Though there is a Wikipedia entry for the market
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_Market
unfortunately none of the pictures shows the roof.
A little bit of searching is always useful.
(https://i.imgur.com/V4UIHSJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BTqALS3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/G1ysZbZ.png)
Bugger it! you can find your own pictures to put up.
Cardiff's Castle Arcade (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Castle_Arcade)
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.inbdJ5_3Dn8lx2K4tQUk6wHaFj%26pid%3DApi&f=1)
Hayes Island Snack Bar
When I can, I'll start with a series on Louisiana architecture. The French Quarter is the oldest part of the New Orleans, and before the 1810s it contained a number of French and Spanish styled houses, mansions, and apartment buildings, but most of what remains today, about ⅔, is "Second Generation Criole" styled buildings, as the rest was lost to fires and aging over time.
A mansion on St. Charles Avenue, New Orleans
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A Créole Townhouse on St. Charles Avenue
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Quote from: Mercury Wells on August 08, 2021, 08:07:46 PM
Cardiff's Arcades (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cardiff+arcades+history&t=ffab&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images&pn=1)
Hayes Island Snack Bar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayes_Island_Snack_Bar)
You need to provide pictures or they will be bulldozed flat.
One of the nice things about commuting downtown, is that you get to discover hidden treasures on any corner. I caught this old Vicwardian firehouse still being used for its intended purpose today.
An old turn of the century firehouse still in use today on Guadalupe Street, Austin, Texas.
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It's really hard to capture things on camera on a moving bus. You see, the whole of Downtown is under construction with brand new skyscrapers going up every year. These new monstrosities are completely changing the skyline at an incredible speed. Most streets are full of potholes, blockages and detours. Areas where rows of Victorian homes existed in a residential area close to the river are now flanked on all sides by gigantic glass towers that didn't exist 3 years ago! If it were not for most Victorian homes being purchased by private business (typically attorney firms, doctor offices, and the like), many of those Victorian homes would simply have been bulldozed. The trade-off is that the tiny homes are now invisible in a forest of glass.
I caught two more large buildings on camera among the glass towers which I didn't list above. Maybe when the weather is not so hot I will take a walking tour of downtown.
This one is near 12th street and Guadalupe
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And the Texas Capitol deserves its own page.
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More photos from my commute. This time I found out the hard way, that some bus routes don't operate all year long. I had to improvise a substitute route. Again you get to see some interesting sites. Not all is steamy, but it shows the diversity and opulence of the old "Tarrytown, " a neighborhood of old Austin on the banks of the Colorado River. Few Victorian houses still stand, but that is the right location to find unlisted Victorian homes. I apologize for the non steamyness of these photos, I'm still finding my way around the area, I'll start posting actual Victorian house pics from up close soon, hopefully.
The University of Texas has a golf course along the river over land leased from the city, and they own some 1960s Era dormitories for college students or young families. On the South side you have some multi-million dollar mansions, I'm guessing built in the last 25 years, between $3 and $5 million dollars hanging on the hills next to the river.
Some mansions on the south side of the Colorado River
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Some 1960s college dormitories along the banks of the river
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And right behind, an apartment complex for the well heeled, I imagine around $2500 /month for a 1 bedroom 1 bath flat. You can tell by the money spent on the facade of the buildings.
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I passed this house on the bus, but I just had no chance to take a picture of it. Registered as a historical building, the Daniel H Caswell House is located on West Avenue, near crossing with Enfield, in Austin Texas. The house showcases a type of "rough look" used in limestone blocks for turn of the century homes.
The Daniel H. Caswell House, built in 1900, near 15th Street, corner with West Ave., Austin, Texas
Image by David E Hollingsworth, 2005, CC by SA 3.0 License
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The house, apparently, is a public attraction, and in fact, years ago I had posted a similar Victorian Era house in that was available for lease during special events. They have a website associated with the property:
https://www.caswellhouse.org/ (https://www.caswellhouse.org/)
In the news this weekend is the Tyne Swing Bridge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:High_Level_Bridge_and_Swing_Bridge_-_Newcastle_Upon_Tyne_-_England_-_14082004.jpg
Opened in 1876, it is apparently the world's largest swing bridge. The full wikipedia entry is at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_Bridge,_River_Tyne
The press reports I've seen are incomplete, but apparently a pressure valve has failed deep in the bowels of the machinery.
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The comments on here are quite quaint and naively amusing. {should children really be playing in the gardens of gentlemen clubs?}
https://timespanner.blogspot.com/2011/09/some-onehunga-landmarks.html?m=1 (https://timespanner.blogspot.com/2011/09/some-onehunga-landmarks.html?m=1)
Here is an article from last year. News in Nelson New Zealand.
"If you've got a few million spare and fancy living in one of New Zealand's oldest homes, then there's plenty of properties to choose from in Nelson.
There are a handful of stately homes currently on the market in the top of the south, including the 166-year old Warwick House with its four-level turret, or the 14-bedroom Fellworth House nestled at the foot of Botanical Hill. "
There are a selection of heritage landmarksfor sale
https://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/118076693/want-a-historic-mansion-theres-several-on-the-market-to-choose-from-in-nelson (https://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/118076693/want-a-historic-mansion-theres-several-on-the-market-to-choose-from-in-nelson)
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Quote from: Hurricane Annie on August 22, 2021, 05:23:34 PM
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Unfortunately, I don't have a few million to spare, but it's surprising - at least on my part of the world) how many unlisted Victorian homes you can find. We're really not very good at protecting old properties, and it falls to the private market to do that job. We have many smaller Victorian homes along West Street and downtown that were taken over and renovated by doctors and attorneys (solicitors) for office use. Hence, they're not registered as historical landmarks and through renovation they don't even look that old. I don't think any of the smaller wooden Vicwardian homes command even a million, probably half as much or less, but nevertheless should be conserved. Many of those were transformed in the 1920s, so it's difficult to recognize the style.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on August 22, 2021, 09:12:59 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on August 22, 2021, 05:23:34 PM
SNIP
Unfortunately, I don't have a few million to spare, but it's surprising - at least on my part of the world) how many unlisted Victorian homes you can find. We're really not very good at protecting old properties, and it falls to the private market to do that job. We have many smaller Victorian homes along West Street and downtown that were taken over and renovated by doctors and attorneys (solicitors) for office use. Hence, they're not registered as historical landmarks and through renovation they don't even look that old. I don't think any of the smaller wooden Vicwardian homes command even a million, probably half as much or less, but nevertheless should be conserved. Many of those were transformed in the 1920s, so it's difficult to recognize the style.
Buildings in NZ do not go very far back. Mid 1800s at the easiest. Houses in certain areas have garnered automatic heritage listing for pre 1945 buildings. Roughly the areas where doctors and attorney live.
The general rule is that houses in pockets the early soldier settlers lived retain the highest values. They were known as The Defencibles, shortened to 'Fencibles.. The tiny prefab cojoined cottages they were given are known as Fencible cottages. Officers were provided bigger homes, or villa
I Grew up in Cockle Bay. There was little evidence of Settlers by that time. Mostly 60s and 70s subdivisions. With a few 1920s beach cottages {bach} and farmlets left.
https://www.times.co.nz/news/howicks-history-last-fencible-died-in-1902/ (https://www.times.co.nz/news/howicks-history-last-fencible-died-in-1902/)
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https://wargaming.info/2008/maori-wars-colonial-new-zealand-buildings/ (https://wargaming.info/2008/maori-wars-colonial-new-zealand-buildings/)
(https://wargaming.info/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/colonial/hhv-nz/howickhvnz09.jpg)
A typical Fencible Cottage looking it's best – in reality they may not have looked quite so 'spic & span' when originally built! The chimney marks the point where the dividing wall cuts it in half! This is much smaller than it looks in the photo!
"The Fencibles themselves had even bigger issues – while they had been promised a cottage and land in return for forming a militia they actually had no source of income. The tiny plot of land with their cottage was further reduced by the act of halving each cottage site to make two, so effectively they often had perhaps a 6′-12′ strip of land around the edge of the cottage and a larger 12′-20′ square 'back yard' at the rear – in variably all this area was put to use growing food (Vegetables, Corn, Potato, Maori Potato, even Taro) and tobacco, the latter could be traded and was a fairly valuable commodity for bartering. Meanwhile it took the government several years to get around to building all the cottages it had promised during the recruiting drive from 1847-54 – I think the last one's weren't built until as late as 1860 or so."
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on August 22, 2021, 10:52:45 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on August 22, 2021, 09:12:59 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Annie on August 22, 2021, 05:23:34 PM
SNIP
Unfortunately, I don't have a few million to spare, but it's surprising - at least on my part of the world) how many unlisted Victorian homes you can find. We're really not very good at protecting old properties, and it falls to the private market to do that job. We have many smaller Victorian homes along West Street and downtown that were taken over and renovated by doctors and attorneys (solicitors) for office use. Hence, they're not registered as historical landmarks and through renovation they don't even look that old. I don't think any of the smaller wooden Vicwardian homes command even a million, probably half as much or less, but nevertheless should be conserved. Many of those were transformed in the 1920s, so it's difficult to recognize the style.
Buildings in NZ do not go very far back. Mid 1800s at the easiest. Houses in certain areas have garnered automatic heritage listing for pre 1945 buildings. Roughly the areas where doctors and attorney live.
The general rule is that houses in pockets the early soldier settlers lived retain the highest values. They were known as The Defencibles, shortened to 'Fencibles.. The tiny prefab cojoined cottages they were given are known as Fencible cottages. Officers were provided bigger homes, or villa
I Grew up in Cockle Bay. There was little evidence of Settlers by that time. Mostly 60s and 70s subdivisions. With a few 1920s beach cottages {bach} and farmlets left.
https://www.times.co.nz/news/howicks-history-last-fencible-died-in-1902/ (https://www.times.co.nz/news/howicks-history-last-fencible-died-in-1902/)
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https://wargaming.info/2008/maori-wars-colonial-new-zealand-buildings/ (https://wargaming.info/2008/maori-wars-colonial-new-zealand-buildings/)
(https://wargaming.info/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/colonial/hhv-nz/howickhvnz09.jpg)
A typical Fencible Cottage looking it's best – in reality they may not have looked quite so 'spic & span' when originally built! The chimney marks the point where the dividing wall cuts it in half! This is much smaller than it looks in the photo!
"The Fencibles themselves had even bigger issues – while they had been promised a cottage and land in return for forming a militia they actually had no source of income. The tiny plot of land with their cottage was further reduced by the act of halving each cottage site to make two, so effectively they often had perhaps a 6′-12′ strip of land around the edge of the cottage and a larger 12′-20′ square 'back yard' at the rear – in variably all this area was put to use growing food (Vegetables, Corn, Potato, Maori Potato, even Taro) and tobacco, the latter could be traded and was a fairly valuable commodity for bartering. Meanwhile it took the government several years to get around to building all the cottages it had promised during the recruiting drive from 1847-54 – I think the last one's weren't built until as late as 1860 or so."
That's a nice bit of history and paints a fairly good picture of the Fencibles' Cottages.
Houses in Austin will also be limited to the 19th century, unless they're Spanish or Mexican, built before 1836, for obvious reasons.
Now o had posted a fairly poor picture of this house above. It's actually unlisted and does not show up on Google Street maps. Whoever lives there actually managed to stop Google from taking pictures!! I can only see the outline of the house
A larger wooden Victorian home, unlisted, between 12th and 12½ Street on Guadalupe.
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And a better view of Clay Pit Indian restaurant building on 16th and Guadalupe.
What do you figure was the original use of the building? Where did that 2nd storey door lead to?
A missing balcony, perhaps?
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Quote from: J. Wilhelm on August 23, 2021, 02:03:12 AM
And a better view of Clay Pit Indian restaurant building on 16th and Guadalupe.
What do you figure was the original use of the building? Where did that 2nd storey door lead to?
A missing balcony, perhaps?
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It was obviously an industrial building of some sort. The door on the first floor was a loft loading door which would likely have had a hoisting spar where the fanlight is now. Notice that the first floor fanlight is a single pane while the ground-floor fanlights are all mullioned, suggesting the former was replaced at some point.
Quote from: von Corax on August 23, 2021, 02:49:23 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on August 23, 2021, 02:03:12 AM
And a better view of Clay Pit Indian restaurant building on 16th and Guadalupe.
What do you figure was the original use of the building? Where did that 2nd storey door lead to?
A missing balcony, perhaps?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9cJX1jXsAI9tcw?format=jpg&name=large)
It was obviously an industrial building of some sort. The door on the first floor was a loft loading door which would likely have had a hoisting spar where the fanlight is now. Notice that the first floor fanlight is a single pane while the ground-floor fanlights are all mullioned, suggesting the former was replaced at some point.
Actually, not only is it a single pane, but I think it's not glass at all. It seems painted black.
Something that I wanted to talk about but I didn't, was a building that was demolished last week, adjacent to the Clay Pit restaurant, on the north side, opposite of the wall we were talking about right now. It was an office building, which I didn't photograph two weeks ago, because I deemed it to be too modern.
It looked like a 1980s brick building, with wide square windows and metal doors, and given its location across a 1960s tower on the other side of the street, I thought it could be attached to the University, which is just a couple of blocks north from there. The building looked clean and thought nothing of it as I snapped pictures of the Clay Pit.
Later on in another trip, I saw a big hole one the roof of that office building, and then I realized it was marked for demolition. Upon closer inspection, I noticed that its southern wall had a parapet (the extension of the wall hiding the roof line) that looked similar to the Victorian warehouses in the area, including the Clay Pit building.
I realized that it was another Victorian industrial building, but sometime in the late 70s it 80s, it was converted to a functional office building. They used the same type of brick so the additions were seamless, but they must have brought down large segments of the street side wall to add two hallways with the modern windows and steel doors. The only thing that remained of the original Victorian character of the building was that southern wall next to the Clay Pit
Last week I saw how two giant sized excavators were brought in and dispatched the building in less than two days.
I can't help but think that a similar fate frequently falls on Victorian buildings like that. When a building is renovated into a more recent style, in this volatile booming construction market, and with no protection from the state, you're sealing the fate of the building. It will be brought down when someone needs the space, to be replaced by a high tower building.
The number of new buildings in Austin is staggering. I haven't been to downtown regularly since 2005, but the skyline is unrecognizable. There are more apartment buildings and luxury towers, some very high, than I can count. The whole of downtown is under construction. The streets are full of potholes, as the increased traffic and construction forces increased loads on roads that never were meant to carry such traffic.
The city dedicated a few lanes on the roads to bus-use only, but the routes are full of detours as new construction sites are blocking the avenues at several spots. The state can't keep up with the infrastructure as fast as they need to to service the new private construction. Again like I wrote above, Victorian homes are buried in a veritable forest of modern buildings, and few Victorian homes or industrial buildings will survive.
Seemingly you can find a new sky scraper under construction in every corner
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Ugly new apartment buildings for students behind "The Drag," that is the segment of
Guadalupe along the west side of University... "Moontower" :P
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That building in the middle of the first photo looks like it needs its horizontal hold adjusted.
Quote from: von Corax on August 23, 2021, 04:19:45 AM
That building in the middle of the first photo looks like it needs its horizontal hold adjusted.
Done entirely on purpose, I assure you. What was not on purpose was that giant panes of glass that began to fall onto the street a few years ago. That caused an uproar.
I got a couple more photos to post, as soon as I can. That blurry photo on the house between 12th and 12-1/2th turned out to be occupied by a law firm.
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If I have enough energy, I may go downtown this Labor Day weekend to snap some photos up close.
William Caswell, son of cotton baron Daniel Caswell whose house I showed 1 page ago,
built a house across the road opposite his father's house on 15th street in 1904.
Image by Michael Brockhoff. CC BY-SA 3.0 license.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/William_T._Caswell_House.jpg/800px-William_T._Caswell_House.jpg)
I also found an article from the Austin Chronicle, the local entertainment rag that explains the state of conservation of Victorian buildings in Austin. It's mostly done by way of private hands (conservation associations) and recognition from local government who assign committees made from citizens to grant historical status to buildings. The result is that recognition and protection of buildings is far-and-between, with mostly private owners choosing to protect those structures not recognized by the government.
https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2021-07-02/with-equity-in-mind-austin-embarks-on-bringing-its-history-up-to-date/ (https://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2021-07-02/with-equity-in-mind-austin-embarks-on-bringing-its-history-up-to-date/)
When structures are not "pretty" enough to assemble an association and city committee, to designate a historical landmark, and no one buys the property with the intention to restore it, the property will fall prey to gentrification or vertical to urbanization. So virtually none of the many industrial buildings that now house live music venues and bars in downtown Austin are protected. If they can't house money making businesses, then these structures will be demolished.
If you take a few minutes of free time to walk around downtown, hidden gems begin to pop up, revealing the state of disarray in historical building designations.
This one was right in front of my eyes and didn't notice until I saw the plaque. It's a recently shuttered medical office building...What will happen to the building? Hopefully the historical designation will save it.
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An old mansion on Montejo Drive, City of Merida, Yucatan State, Mexico.No doubt related to the sisal and hemp industry in the 19th century.
Image posted by Prof. Gaby Cervera Valeé, National University, Mexico.
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Victorian Era dollhouse, ca 1880.
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1880s-victorian-dollhouse-mansion-1799481570 (https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1880s-victorian-dollhouse-mansion-1799481570)
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Quote from: J. Wilhelm on October 24, 2021, 05:29:54 PM
Victorian Era dollhouse, ca 1880.
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1880s-victorian-dollhouse-mansion-1799481570 (https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/1880s-victorian-dollhouse-mansion-1799481570)
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That's adorable!
Photos of Kirkgate Market - Leeds (UK) (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kirkgate+leeds+market&t=ffab&iax=images&ia=images)
History of Leeds Kirkgate Market (https://www.leeds.gov.uk/leedsmarkets/about/history-of-kirkgate-market)
Quote from: Mercury Wells on October 26, 2021, 12:38:16 AM
Photos of Kirkgate Market - Leeds (UK) (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kirkgate+leeds+market&t=ffab&iax=images&ia=images)
History of Leeds Kirkgate Market (https://www.leeds.gov.uk/leedsmarkets/about/history-of-kirkgate-market)
Leeds Kirkgate market must win a prize for Steaminess, if only because it was designed by Paxton.
However, I'd like to propose Slough Railway Station for a
proxime accessit. From the early days of Railway building in Britain, for a while it served as the station for Windsor Castle (until the branch line was built into Windsor).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slough_railway_station#/media/File:Slough_station_building.JPG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slough_railway_station#/media/File:Slough_station_building.JPG)
So... it also has a taxidermied dog, who became famous enough after 3 years at the station to be remembered. Is the dog still there I wonder.
Sorontar
Quote from: E.J.MonCrieff on November 08, 2021, 10:06:25 PM
However, I'd like to propose Slough Railway Station for a proxime accessit. From the early days of Railway building in Britain, for a while it served as the station for Windsor Castle (until the branch line was built into Windsor).
I once saved a man's life on Slough station.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on November 09, 2021, 10:03:42 PM
Quote from: E.J.MonCrieff on November 08, 2021, 10:06:25 PM
However, I'd like to propose Slough Railway Station for a proxime accessit. From the early days of Railway building in Britain, for a while it served as the station for Windsor Castle (until the branch line was built into Windsor).
I once saved a man's life on Slough station.
You can't just drop that information and not tell us the whole story! What did you do? Push his fiancée onto the train tracks? Perform the Heimlich manoeuvre? Stop him from eating kale? Please elaborate...
Quote from: Synistor 303 on November 09, 2021, 11:25:59 PM
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on November 09, 2021, 10:03:42 PM
Quote from: E.J.MonCrieff on November 08, 2021, 10:06:25 PM
However, I'd like to propose Slough Railway Station for a proxime accessit. From the early days of Railway building in Britain, for a while it served as the station for Windsor Castle (until the branch line was built into Windsor).
I once saved a man's life on Slough station.
You can't just drop that information and not tell us the whole story! What did you do? Push his fiancée onto the train tracks? Perform the Heimlich manoeuvre? Stop him from eating kale? Please elaborate...
*Ponders while listening to the"Blue Danibe*
Was the fiancée very ugly, abusive, or otherwise noxious to well-being?
OK, here it is:
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The train was departing from Slough Station towards Twyford and thence onto Henley. As the train started to move on its journey, the platform signal having been given, whistle blown, a pair of suited legs appeared at the top of the old staircase, two shiny shoes moving in a hurry. A formally attired chap with a briefcase in hand came flying down the steps and took four or five long running steps to catch up with the now moving train and with his left hand still clutching the briefcase he deftly opened the door. The carriages at that time were equipped with those old-style slam doors which meant it was possible to get into or out of a moving train without raising any sort of alarm. His right hand grabbed the chrome handle that these old carriages always sported, just to the right of the door opening, and with that stabilising him, he was able to increase his pace to match that of the now rapidly accelerating train. To say he was making long loping steps at high speed would be to deny the capability of the locomotive to accelerate a man beyond his natural running capabilties. He was now moving probably faster than his body had ever moved outside of a speeding car or train and those long loping and running steps were now merely keeping him upright. It has to be stated that he no longer had any capability of getting into the train.
(https://i.imgur.com/ayme589.jpg)
The train was accelerating rapidly with a complete lack of knowledge that one of its commuters was on the exterior of the train, still trying to get in. This is England and typically we don't ride on the outside of trains, it is frowned upon. This commuter hadn't planned on doing that as he thought he would be able to use his arms and legs to propel himself in to the interior - but he had calculated incorrectly.
The arm that was previously being used to hold the handle to gain entry was now the only thing keeping the man upright, his hand gripping the that handle with all his might. His legs were now doing nothing but stopping his body from being pulled and dragged along by the now speeding train. To make things much worse, the long station platform that his legs were pushing against was just about to end. His left hand could do nothing whilst still gripping that briefcase that he seemingly could not let go of. Soon, he would be hanging, one-handedly from a train accelerating hard toward 60-70 miles per hour, he would lose grip and be dashed to the ground to be smashed into railside equipment or dragged under the train's wheels and a certain death. Running along at 30+ mph is not something the body normally does naturally especially alongside a hurtling lump of whirring machinery, metal and stationary concrete, so the look of terror on the chap's face as he realised his predicament was an appalling sight to see.
Inside the carriage, six English commuters sat, three in a line, facing the other three. A long day behind them, a tiring journey ahead, each with a newspaper, magazine or book to while away the time without socially interacting with any other human. If you've travelled and commuted in an English train on a regular basis you will know that there is no worse thing than to interact embarrassingly with any other person on the train. Here was the worst sort of embarrassment you could imagine about to happen. This chap was about to die in a painful and embarrassing and possible messy manner on the end of Slough station platform. That was a social predicamernt of the worst sort. You could almost hear the mental exclamations of "oh dear..." and "oh no, please make it go away". In a typically English fashion absolutely no-one stood up to help this poor chap. In all that had happened to him so far the end was going to amount to the worst sort of embarrassment an English commuter could cope with. I could feel six faces turn away to look down firmly into their newspapers, it was just all too embarrassing.
At this point I summed up what was going to happen to this chap and what I could do to prevent it. I am not one of those people that shy away from danger and that has led me into some very strange situations and not a few close scrapes.
In those times of anxiety, fear and stress you can find yourself capable of analysing everything about you, weighing the risks and then deciding with extreme accuracy what the best action would be. You can do this in very short time.
(https://i.imgur.com/rXam5ML.jpg)
I found myself looking at the solid chrome luggage rack above the three commuters on the left. I grabbed that with my left hand and firmly anchored myself to the train. I braced my legs and plunged my torso out through the door into the stream of fast moving wind. At this point the man's legs gave way and he began to be dragged by the train. His remaining lifetime was now measured in seconds. The other commuters in the train changed the page to the next chapter or filled a line in the crossword.
I hung out of the train.
I looked at the man and made a decision that the only way I was going to save him was by grabbing his neck by his shirt and tie, that was all I could reach. I didn't discern between cloth, neck and skin, I just grabbed hard, dug in my hands and nails and pulled with all my might. I was strong when young, athletic build, wiry and naturally capable, not so much now. I pulled myself and the man into the train carriage flinging him into the interior and safety. I pulled the door closed.
If this had been an American train full of optimistic and upbeat Yanks, at this point I would hear cheers of "Woah, well done!" and "awesome man!" and suchlike. However, this was an English commuter train and I had committed possibly the ultimate faux pas. I'd had saved someone's life in the most embarrassing manner for all concerned, highlighting the fact that none of them had done anything at all to save him nor help me. To a man, everyone lowered their eyes and continued to read the next page in their book.
The poor chap who had been saved? His windpipe and neck having been forcibly crushed by his saviour just let out a choked and strangled "euuch- thanks..." and as this was the single most embarrassing moment of his life, he too exited the situation as quickly as possible.
In any other country I would probably be lauded as the hero of the moment, as it was I was left there thinking simply "oh well, another day..."
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on November 10, 2021, 07:42:15 PM
OK, here it is:
(https://i.imgur.com/lIaEehw.jpg)
The train was departing from Slough Station towards Twyford and thence onto Henley. As the train started to move on its journey, the platform signal having been given, whistle blown, a pair of suited legs appeared at the top of the old staircase, two shiny shoes moving in a hurry. A formally attired chap with a briefcase in hand came flying down the steps and took four or five long running steps to catch up with the now moving train and with his left hand still clutching the briefcase he deftly opened the door. The carriages at that time were equipped with those old-style slam doors which meant it was possible to get into or out of a moving train without raising any sort of alarm. His right hand grabbed the chrome handle that these old carriages always sported, just to the right of the door opening, and with that stabilising him, he was able to increase his pace to match that of the now rapidly accelerating train. To say he was making long loping steps at high speed would be to deny the capability of the locomotive to accelerate a man beyond his natural running capabilties. He was now moving probably faster than his body had ever moved outside of a speeding car or train and those long loping and running steps were now merely keeping him upright. It has to be stated that he no longer had any capability of getting into the train.
(https://i.imgur.com/ayme589.jpg)
The train was accelerating rapidly with a complete lack of knowledge that one of its commuters was on the exterior of the train, still trying to get in. This is England and typically we don't ride on the outside of trains, it is frowned upon. This commuter hadn't planned on doing that as he thought he would be able to use his arms and legs to propel himself in to the interior - but he had calculated incorrectly.
The arm that was previously being used to hold the handle to gain entry was now the only thing keeping the man upright, his hand gripping the that handle with all his might. His legs were now doing nothing but stopping his body from being pulled and dragged along by the now speeding train. To make things much worse, the long station platform that his legs were pushing against was just about to end. His left hand could do nothing whilst still gripping that briefcase that he seemingly could not let go of. Soon, he would be hanging, one-handedly from a train accelerating hard toward 60-70 miles per hour, he would lose grip and be dashed to the ground to be smashed into railside equipment or dragged under the train's wheels and a certain death. Running along at 30+ mph is not something the body normally does naturally especially alongside a hurtling lump of whirring machinery, metal and stationary concrete, so the look of terror on the chap's face as he realised his predicament was an appalling sight to see.
Inside the carriage, six English commuters sat, three in a line, facing the other three. A long day behind them, a tiring journey ahead, each with a newspaper, magazine or book to while away the time without socially interacting with any other human. If you've travelled and commuted in an English train on a regular basis you will know that there is no worse thing than to interact embarrassingly with any other person on the train. Here was the worst sort of embarrassment you could imagine about to happen. This chap was about to die in a painful and embarrassing and possible messy manner on the end of Slough station platform. That was a social predicamernt of the worst sort. You could almost hear the mental exclamations of "oh dear..." and "oh no, please make it go away". In a typically English fashion absolutely no-one stood up to help this poor chap. In all that had happened to him so far the end was going to amount to the worst sort of embarrassment an English commuter could cope with. I could feel six faces turn away to look down firmly into their newspapers, it was just all too embarrassing.
At this point I summed up what was going to happen to this chap and what I could do to prevent it. I am not one of those people that shy away from danger and that has led me into some very strange situations and not a few close scrapes.
In those times of anxiety, fear and stress you can find yourself capable of analysing everything about you, weighing the risks and then deciding with extreme accuracy what the best action would be. You can do this in very short time.
(https://i.imgur.com/rXam5ML.jpg)
I found myself looking at the solid chrome luggage rack above the three commuters on the left. I grabbed that with my left hand and firmly anchored myself to the train. I braced my legs and plunged my torso out through the door into the stream of fast moving wind. At this point the man's legs gave way and he began to be dragged by the train. His remaining lifetime was now measured in seconds. The other commuters in the train changed the page to the next chapter or filled a line in the crossword.
I hung out of the train.
I looked at the man and made a decision that the only way I was going to save him was by grabbing his neck by his shirt and tie, that was all I could reach. I didn't discern between cloth, neck and skin, I just grabbed hard, dug in my hands and nails and pulled with all my might. I was strong when young, athletic build, wiry and naturally capable, not so much now. I pulled myself and the man into the train carriage flinging him into the interior and safety. I pulled the door closed.
If this had been an American train full of optimistic and upbeat Yanks, at this point I would hear cheers of "Woah, well done!" and "awesome man!" and suchlike. However, this was an English commuter train and I had committed possibly the ultimate faux pas. I'd had saved someone's life in the most embarrassing manner for all concerned, highlighting the fact that none of them had done anything at all to save him nor help me. To a man, everyone lowered their eyes and continued to read the next page in their book.
The poor chap who had been saved? His windpipe and neck having been forcibly crushed by his saviour just let out a choked and strangled "euuch- thanks..." and as this was the single most embarrassing moment of his life, he too exited the situation as quickly as possible.
In any other country I would probably be lauded as the hero of the moment, as it was I was left there thinking simply "oh well, another day..."
Well done! (Although it
was terribly bad from to embarrass the other commuters like that...)
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on November 10, 2021, 07:42:15 PM
OK, here it is:
(https://i.imgur.com/lIaEehw.jpg)
The train was departing from Slough Station towards Twyford and thence onto Henley. As the train started to move on its journey, the platform signal having been given, whistle blown, a pair of suited legs appeared at the top of the old staircase, two shiny shoes moving in a hurry. A formally attired chap with a briefcase in hand came flying down the steps and took four or five long running steps to catch up with the now moving train and with his left hand still clutching the briefcase he deftly opened the door. The carriages at that time were equipped with those old-style slam doors which meant it was possible to get into or out of a moving train without raising any sort of alarm. His right hand grabbed the chrome handle that these old carriages always sported, just to the right of the door opening, and with that stabilising him, he was able to increase his pace to match that of the now rapidly accelerating train. To say he was making long loping steps at high speed would be to deny the capability of the locomotive to accelerate a man beyond his natural running capabilties. He was now moving probably faster than his body had ever moved outside of a speeding car or train and those long loping and running steps were now merely keeping him upright. It has to be stated that he no longer had any capability of getting into the train.
(https://i.imgur.com/ayme589.jpg)
The train was accelerating rapidly with a complete lack of knowledge that one of its commuters was on the exterior of the train, still trying to get in. This is England and typically we don't ride on the outside of trains, it is frowned upon. This commuter hadn't planned on doing that as he thought he would be able to use his arms and legs to propel himself in to the interior - but he had calculated incorrectly.
The arm that was previously being used to hold the handle to gain entry was now the only thing keeping the man upright, his hand gripping the that handle with all his might. His legs were now doing nothing but stopping his body from being pulled and dragged along by the now speeding train. To make things much worse, the long station platform that his legs were pushing against was just about to end. His left hand could do nothing whilst still gripping that briefcase that he seemingly could not let go of. Soon, he would be hanging, one-handedly from a train accelerating hard toward 60-70 miles per hour, he would lose grip and be dashed to the ground to be smashed into railside equipment or dragged under the train's wheels and a certain death. Running along at 30+ mph is not something the body normally does naturally especially alongside a hurtling lump of whirring machinery, metal and stationary concrete, so the look of terror on the chap's face as he realised his predicament was an appalling sight to see.
Inside the carriage, six English commuters sat, three in a line, facing the other three. A long day behind them, a tiring journey ahead, each with a newspaper, magazine or book to while away the time without socially interacting with any other human. If you've travelled and commuted in an English train on a regular basis you will know that there is no worse thing than to interact embarrassingly with any other person on the train. Here was the worst sort of embarrassment you could imagine about to happen. This chap was about to die in a painful and embarrassing and possible messy manner on the end of Slough station platform. That was a social predicamernt of the worst sort. You could almost hear the mental exclamations of "oh dear..." and "oh no, please make it go away". In a typically English fashion absolutely no-one stood up to help this poor chap. In all that had happened to him so far the end was going to amount to the worst sort of embarrassment an English commuter could cope with. I could feel six faces turn away to look down firmly into their newspapers, it was just all too embarrassing.
At this point I summed up what was going to happen to this chap and what I could do to prevent it. I am not one of those people that shy away from danger and that has led me into some very strange situations and not a few close scrapes.
In those times of anxiety, fear and stress you can find yourself capable of analysing everything about you, weighing the risks and then deciding with extreme accuracy what the best action would be. You can do this in very short time.
(https://i.imgur.com/rXam5ML.jpg)
I found myself looking at the solid chrome luggage rack above the three commuters on the left. I grabbed that with my left hand and firmly anchored myself to the train. I braced my legs and plunged my torso out through the door into the stream of fast moving wind. At this point the man's legs gave way and he began to be dragged by the train. His remaining lifetime was now measured in seconds. The other commuters in the train changed the page to the next chapter or filled a line in the crossword.
I hung out of the train.
I looked at the man and made a decision that the only way I was going to save him was by grabbing his neck by his shirt and tie, that was all I could reach. I didn't discern between cloth, neck and skin, I just grabbed hard, dug in my hands and nails and pulled with all my might. I was strong when young, athletic build, wiry and naturally capable, not so much now. I pulled myself and the man into the train carriage flinging him into the interior and safety. I pulled the door closed.
If this had been an American train full of optimistic and upbeat Yanks, at this point I would hear cheers of "Woah, well done!" and "awesome man!" and suchlike. However, this was an English commuter train and I had committed possibly the ultimate faux pas. I'd had saved someone's life in the most embarrassing manner for all concerned, highlighting the fact that none of them had done anything at all to save him nor help me. To a man, everyone lowered their eyes and continued to read the next page in their book.
The poor chap who had been saved? His windpipe and neck having been forcibly crushed by his saviour just let out a choked and strangled "euuch- thanks..." and as this was the single most embarrassing moment of his life, he too exited the situation as quickly as possible.
In any other country I would probably be lauded as the hero of the moment, as it was I was left there thinking simply "oh well, another day..."
Huzzah! Good show, Uncle Bert. That's quite a story, but sorry to hear you had to deal with the Brit equivalent of the"Bushido Code" in the aftermath. I would have done something remarkably silly to embarrass them further! O don't know, something like the"chicken dance."
Excellent My Good Uncle Bert!
you saved another's life without harming yourself!
You succesfully performed the penultimate challenge any human could face!
Your karmic burden has been AT LEAST balanced,
whilst the burden of the bystanders has increased measurabley....
I would like to lead a hearty round of THREE CHEERS for Uncle Bert!
the world needs more like him.
yhs
prof mumbles
HIP HIP!
HIP HIP!
HIP HIP!
Christian Youth Association Building open to the public in 1910, and first stone laid by Mexican President Porfirio Diaz in 1909, Mexico City. Thomas S Gore, architect. Photo is undated, via Irene Bárcenas, @barcenairene on Twitter. Note the Ford auto dealer sign on the right side of the building.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEHxmjVWYAQw50i?format=jpg&name=large)
Private residence of Mme. Francisca Ybañez, valued at $12,000 Mexican Pesos in 1900
(Photograph is undated).
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FExcbyDWQAQrPhz?format=jpg&name=large)
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on November 14, 2021, 09:19:00 PM
Christian Youth Association Building open to the public in 1910
Photo from today required.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on November 23, 2021, 10:56:00 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on November 14, 2021, 09:19:00 PM
Christian Youth Association Building open to the public in 1910
Photo from today required.
Do you mean all buildings must be extant? Was that an original restriction set by the OP for this thread?
The building in question is located on No. Balderas Street. It became the (old) Novedades newspaper headquarters later in the 20th century. The photo below was taken in 1987. I don't know if I can get a more recent photograph... Making all photos updated to the present year would be exceedingly difficult, and not practical.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE5WwksX0AQ7usE?format=jpg&name=large)
Every photo I submit, the building is still standing. If you have to post a photo of something special long past then a current photo to mark the spot seems the least you can do. I had an expectation that most if not all those that you posted were still standing unless specifically told otherwise. Of course, the thread name could be changed to "once-steamy piles of rubble that indicated the spot where a fine building used to be..." - to accommodate.
Honestly, if I included buildings in Britain that were once Steamy then we would be here every day, five times a day, five buildings per post for the next five years and we probably still would have not touched the surface.
Let's keep it 'real' shall we?
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on November 23, 2021, 08:17:52 PM
Every photo I submit, the building is still standing. If you have to post a photo of something special long past then a current photo to mark the spot seems the least you can do. I had an expectation that most if not all those that you posted were still standing unless specifically told otherwise. Of course, the thread name could be changed to "once-steamy piles of rubble that indicated the spot where a fine building used to be..." - to accommodate.
Honestly, if I included buildings in Britain that were once Steamy then we would be here every day, five times a day, five buildings per post for the next five years and we probably still would have not touched the surface.
Let's keep it 'real' shall we?
Well, then. I'll do my best, but please note that, in fact, most of the photos I've posted are of extant buildings indeed, save a few black and white pictures in the last few pages, mostly private mansions and such, which did not survive the 1930s, and where I usually dated the building/ photo/ and if I remember correctly, I usually talk about the reason why the building was not standing (One or two of the multiple Scherer mansions come to mind).
For example, one of the two US ambassador residences during the 1913 civil war incursion into the capital city was demolished (A. Armour residence) but the other is very much standing, and I even indicated that it was available for commercial use, plus a link to the realtor website). The automobile club on Chapultepec Lake is in fact standing ("House on the Lake") and currently in use by the national university (I believe I expounded on that sundry pictures). So yes, most buildings are standing. You can expect that black and white street views with skylines prior to the 1920s may not look the same, as many buildings have disappeared, however.
I'll post historical photos of non extant buildings on a new thread "The way the World Was" or something along those lines.
The building above is still standing as this Novedades article points out. The building survived the Mexican civil war of 1910-20, the 1930's expansion of avenues downtown, and the 1985 earthquake, it's still there probably commanding a seven figure monthly rent in US dollars, now occupied by Milenio Group and Channel 6 broadcast TV. You can see more pictures in the article.
https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/opinion/mochilazo-en-el-tiempo/el-olvidado-edificio-de-novedades (https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/opinion/mochilazo-en-el-tiempo/el-olvidado-edificio-de-novedades)
In 1885 Cuban cigar impresario, Ernesto Pugibet, decided to establish one of the largest cigar manufacturing plants in downtown Mexico City. To accommodate executives and workers, Pugilet built a residential apartment building large enough to encompass three closed streets. The building is now known as the Edificio Mascota (Mascot Building), after the name of one of the three dead end streets, themselves named after the three cigar brands sold by Pugibet: Gardenia, La Mascota, and Ideal. The sprawling apartment complex includes 174 apartment units plus a number of street level commercial units facing the streets external to the building. La Mascota wasn't finished until 1912.
La Mascota Building in Mexico City, between the present day streets of Bucareli, Abraham González and Turín
https://www.arquine.com/vivienda-y-tabaco/ (https://www.arquine.com/vivienda-y-tabaco/)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFOhVpOX0AAWh8T?format=jpg&name=large)
View from Gardenia Street at midnight
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFGQ0xxXoAEN99M?format=jpg&name=large)
Images below from @cronicas_ciudad (Crónicas de una ciudad perdida/ Chronicles of a lost City) on Twitter unless otherwise noted.
A rare side view of the Palacio de Correos (Postal Palace) in downtown CDMX
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE5ITTkXoAQowWi?format=jpg&name=large)
University Club Building on Reforma Avenue
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE7_-loWUAIko1u?format=jpg&name=large)
Hotel Imperial on Reforma Avenue. Estd. 1904, then and now (I like these midnights pictures)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFFIMK7VkAweVSk?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FExsDY3XwAIbHc2?format=jpg&name=large)
Entryway of the Lamm Residence in Roma Borough, central Mexico City.
Built as a private residence in 1911, it became a cultural center in 1993.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEvvPtpXoAAyzGP?format=jpg&name=large)
rather interesting view of the Boker House in the historic centre of Mexico City
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEL2uYyX0A0I3kE?format=jpg&name=large)
A curiosity in Roma Borough. This old car is also a giant music box. With a mannequin for a driver, a speaker in the car plays old tunes for pedestrians at certain times of the day. Images by @cesarbuenrostro on Twitter
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEWIKRdXoAIkMjL?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEWHQeGWUAIXZx0?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEWHQffWQAErWik?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEWIEJHXIAQZnYb?format=jpg&name=large)
I have a mental image of that car converted to a low-rider, so it can dance along with its own music.
Quote from: von Corax on November 27, 2021, 10:35:24 PM
I have a mental image of that car converted to a low-rider, so it can dance along with its own music.
I'm under the impression that the whole chassis has been replaced with concrete. It's only the outer body that remains.
What happens when you need to build a skyscraper, but you don't want to demolish a historical building? The photo below shows the O'Hea Manor, a 1928 structure built mostly from pink volcanic sedimentary stone, in the"Gothic Jacobethan Revival" style, and which literally is enclosed within the footprint of Torre Reforma. Torre Reforma was the highest skyscraper in Mexico City and Latin America as of 2016. Torre Reforma is one of the newest buildings in CDMX, probably finished and opened to the public just before or during the pandemic. I need to check those facts, the wikipedia entry is outdated, but here's a fantastic blogspot article on the residence (worth a look):
https://grandescasasdemexico.blogspot.com/2013/02/casa-ohea-austin-torre-reforma-macstore.html?m=1
To appreciate the lengths to which the architects went to save the house, please look at the photos in the blogspot article (there's too many for me to post. The house, nay the castle like building, in fact had to be lifted and moved from the center of the property to the front of it to make room for the giant skyscraper's foundation. All photos below are shared from this blogspot magazine on Mexican houses, unless otherwise noted.
The O'Hea Residence (Casa O'Hea) on the base of Torre Reforma today
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFTVacWWUAINmZG?format=jpg&name=large)
Torre Reforma today, Cuauhtémoc Borough, near Roma Borough, Mexico City.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFTVa6yWUAYBx8f?format=jpg&name=large)
How it looked in 1936
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFTVbWxWQAQBpw_?format=jpg&name=large)
How it looked in 2013 during construction
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFTVbLBXwAYLbzS?format=jpg&name=large)
Sadly the elegant interior of the Gothic Revival building was turned into a "MacStore." Image from Google Maps
*author goes into epileptic convulsions*
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFTuNpmX0AcWuXi?format=jpg&name=large)
More images forthcoming... There's s history to the interior of the house, which included medieval styled vaulted ceilings and a restaurant.
Poor thing.
Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on November 28, 2021, 11:03:58 PM
Poor thing.
The fact that it was moved without disassembly, being mostly made from stone is remarkable. These old buildings command very high rents. I can't imagine the rent Apple pays, but you can be assured is definitely over 6 figures and likely 7 in US dollars of I judge by the house which housed the second 1913 American Embassy. These old European styled buildings traditionally hosted big fashion names like Louis Vuitton, Dolce & Gabbana, Rolex, Gucci, etc.
Tells you the kind of market you have for Apple products and what kind of niche they're trying to cultivate. Mexicans are among the most loyal name brand customers I know. Companies can be rewarded handsomely over many decades if they can make the case that "they are the best," like Sony was since the 1970s. By the 1990s Sony had partnered with Ericsson when the telephone company was sold it back to Ericsson after being nationalized since the 1940s. Such was the recognition that they flooded the market with Sony Ericsson cellular phones and Sony computers.
A Libanese - Mexican businessman by the name of Carlos Slim ripped the old Telmex cables throughout the country, an area equivalent to all of Western Europe and rewired with the latest tech (90s/2000s) with cellular towers, and thus he became one of the richest men in the world. All made possible with Sony as the household name. "Shut up and take my money"
Yeah. You want the market? Then you'll have no problem paying millions in rent. Save the house.
At the risk posting,only to have another Brassgoggles Blackout, I'll copy and paste my post from Spare Goggles:
From January 2, 2022
Moving on, I have got a couple of pictures to show. All were taken during my walk en route to the bus stop on 6th Street, Downtown Austin.
I'll start with The Flower Hill Urban Homestead Museum
The homestead was built by the Smoot Family, who were prominent civil servants and philanthropists who arrived in Austin sometime after 1877
https://www.flowerhillfoundation.org/ (https://www.flowerhillfoundation.org/)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIYqBF2XsAQ5V7J?format=jpg&name=large)
The video below gives a history of the Smoot family who owned it, with sundry historical photographs
Flower Hill Foundation (http://youtube.com/watch?v=opTKxAmhGxo#)
From January 6, 2022
The historical centre hill contains a hill bordered by San Antonio Street and 7th Street. On It are at least 4 Victorian homes, out of which the most prominent is the John Bremond House. The backside of the house, where you can find the fire escape ladders is facing North, and the front of all the houses have now their view blocked by a monstrosity of a building that's still in construction. It's sad to see all these houses live in a permanent shadow. The new building is very tall.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIeNMpdXMAAGAix?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIeNCcGWUAEoZpZ?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIeNGPnXIAM6CYh?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIeNUjrXEAEeMMJ?format=jpg&name=large)
I'll continue posting pictures. Manually typing the embed commands is a bit cumbersome, so not quite as fast as the BG forum...
From January 7, 2022
Here's two more Victorian homes on the historical block of Seventh Street and San Antonio Street
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIgQhy1WQAIzaX-?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIgQj9wXoAgrglD?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FIgQidIWYAIfOef?format=jpg&name=large)
These homes don't have names or references,save for the first one. The second one (2nd, 3rd pics) is actually owned by a law firm. A common fate of Victorian homes that survived downtown.
From January 8, 2022
While the Z' Tejas restaurant chain in Austin closed it's northwest location during the pandemic, they kept their older location on 6th Street. They bought two old houses, one of them Victorian, and built a "bridge" between them to make a restaurant. The front has a mural that looks like "Willie Nelson's Last Supper"
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From January 9, 2022
That giant building in front of the Bremond and other Victorian houses above? Well, guess what? That'll be the tallest building in Austin at 66 floors, on the corner of 6th and Guadalupe. Those houses will never see sunlight again. And guess who just announced is going to rent the top ½ of the building. Meta...the parent company of Faceplant. Aaaargh!
An exploration of the Winter Gardens centre in Blackpool:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-KAXqaGa9U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-KAXqaGa9U)
One of those travel bloggers running around in Mexico has done a deeper piece on the Mexican mining town of Real del Monte, a former Novo-Spanish mining town whose mining interests were sold by Mexico to British interests in 1824 just before Great Britain recognized Mexico's independence (the author of the video makes the mistake of thinking that the Spanish sold the mines to the British. In fact the Spanish owners of the mines fled as a result of the war of independence).
Previously, I had told you about the Cornish miners who were brought to Mexico, and the Pasties they relegated to the local cuisine. This, I think is an interesting take. "La Karencita" is a Mexican vlogger who married a foreigner and used to vlog from Europe and the United States for a fair number of years. Lately she's come back to live in Mexico and started sharing her point of view. If you can just suffer a bit from her thick accent, I think it's an interesting video because she tends to give more details from the perspective of a Mexican national.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ETWooGDXTnM&feature=youtu.be# (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ETWooGDXTnM&feature=youtu.be#)
Oh do I have a treat today .The only example in the world of a 100% disassemblable all steel building in the Art Nouveau style.
It's the Palacio de Hierro City Hall ("Iron Palace," not to be confused with the contemporary Palacio de Hierro department store buildings), built in the 19th C., located in the City of Orizaba, State of Veracruz in Mexico.
https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palacio_de_Hierro_de_Orizaba#/media/Archivo%3APleno_del_Honorable_Cabildo_de_Orizaba.jpg
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At the height of the Porfiriato Era, the city of Orizaba became an industrial center which attracted many foreign migrants and industrialists from France, Germany, Sweden, Britain, and Italy. The city became renowned for it's culture the city's mayor sought to erect a building worthy of the city's international reputation. With help from the State and Federal governments, they commissioned the project from
La Société Anonyme des Forges d'Aiseau in Belgium and construction began in September of 1891.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Palacio_de_Hierro_en_1910.jpg/800px-Palacio_de_Hierro_en_1910.jpg)
The Belgian architect Joseph Danly designed the structure to be premanufactured in Belgium, then disassembled and transported to Mexico by ship. At a cost of $71000 pesos, the total number of pallets holding the myriad metal components was 3369, transported in three shipments from the Port of Antwerp to the Port City of Veracruz.
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The cost of disembarking, and overland transport over the mountains of the Eastern Sierra Madre drew additional costs of up to $10000 pesos per ton. The cost overrun was so high that they had to limit the design to the most basic original plan, and switch to a Mexican construction firm headed by civil engineers Arturo Boca and Ricardo Segura to perform the foundation work and assembly of the metal structure.
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The building was inaugurated in 16 September of 1894, coinciding with the Mexican Independence Day celebration.
The building today is a museum and hosts several souvenir shops and a cafeteria
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Belarus. / Kotlubaev Manor in the village of Yastrembel
In the spring of 1851, the village of Yastrembel and all the lands around were sold to Mikhail Kotlubai, a nobleman with a bit of Tatar blood. The credit for the construction of the building belongs to Edward Kotlubay, a young and talented engineer who received the best technical education at that time. It was Edward's ideas that formed the basis of the project for the construction of the manor house and the subtleties of the layout of the park area around the building. It is considered that this house is an "unfixed castle". The central part of the house is crowned by a tent tower and a house church. The architecture of the estate seems to have declared war on the rules of symmetry – everything is very unusual and mysterious. So it turned out to be an original and memorable family estate. The house had 18 rooms decorated with stucco. The walls were covered with frescoes based on ancient history, the floors were covered with parquet. All these elements individually represented mini-works of art. Alas, none of these decorative elements have been preserved inside.
The estate is popular with travelers and historians who often visit these places. A unique park area has been preserved, with rare species of trees and plants around the estate.
http://youtu.be/YzI379Fgjg4 (http://youtu.be/YzI379Fgjg4)
Quote from: morozow on March 07, 2022, 02:31:41 PM
Belarus. / Kotlubaev Manor in the village of Yastrembel
In the spring of 1851, the village of Yastrembel and all the lands around were sold to Mikhail Kotlubai, a nobleman with a bit of Tatar blood. The credit for the construction of the building belongs to Edward Kotlubay, a young and talented engineer who received the best technical education at that time. It was Edward's ideas that formed the basis of the project for the construction of the manor house and the subtleties of the layout of the park area around the building. It is considered that this house is an "unfixed castle". The central part of the house is crowned by a tent tower and a house church. The architecture of the estate seems to have declared war on the rules of symmetry – everything is very unusual and mysterious. So it turned out to be an original and memorable family estate. The house had 18 rooms decorated with stucco. The walls were covered with frescoes based on ancient history, the floors were covered with parquet. All these elements individually represented mini-works of art. Alas, none of these decorative elements have been preserved inside.
The estate is popular with travelers and historians who often visit these places. A unique park area has been preserved, with rare species of trees and plants around the estate.
http://youtu.be/YzI379Fgjg4 (http://youtu.be/YzI379Fgjg4)
The use of asymmetrical structures in houses is something that we've seen from houses built for wealthy central Europeans in Mexico, particularly Bavarian migrants who owned mining operations. There's a few examples of manors far away from the large cities, but very few survived.
I have just been introduced to this resource:
https://qldarch.net/projects
Quote from: chironex on March 16, 2022, 02:26:27 PM
I have just been introduced to this resource:
https://qldarch.net/projects
Not being an architect, I'm sure I'm missing a ton of resources on architectural projects... Every country must have at least one catalog of buildings, whether it be published by the government or by an architectural firm.
Another picture from Downtown Austin. Our public transportation system is rubbish, so we've been getting a lot of ride cancellations. It's getting out of hand as they don't have enough drivers for all the routes, so this year we have random cancellations which you can monitor from your smartphone. As a result I'm finding myself spending a lot more time walking all over downtown.
By the way, SXSW, the live music/ film/ tech festival is back this year, tight now until the weekend. I hardly have any time to go, but it's ridiculously close to the parts I show in these pictures above and below on this page. I mostly walk in the "Business District of downtown", but a few more blocks west from the highrise buildings you have the 6th Street pub and nightclub district.
I should probably write something about this year's SXSW while the festival is ongoing. I'm just too tired after work and too busy to go at it "live," but I'll make an effort to go this weekend and maybe I can write a postmortem report on it. You can't do anything at SXSW without planning ahead. There's so many events spread over a radius of 10 blocks in any direction that if you don't plan and know where you're going you'll just walk a lot for nothing.
Hirschfeld House and Cottage.
The house was built in 1885 for a German Jewish merchant by the name of Henry Hirschfeld
and his family after living in a small cottage (1875) next to the larger house.
Near 9th Street and Guadalupe Street, Austin, Texas.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOBH9haX0AUEUex?format=jpg&name=large)
The choice of contrasting colours is very interesting. I don't remember ever seeing anything like that in Australian buildings of similar age. Would that building have been heritage protected and forced to use original colouring or is that a modern decoration style?
I also like the decorations on the stone work at the top (one of the blocks to the left by the top window makes it look like the grill and headlights for a Jeep Wrangler) and the lintels (or whatever they are called) jutting out under the guttering.
Sorontar
Quote from: Sorontar on March 19, 2022, 03:43:57 AM
I also like ... the lintels (or whatever they are called) jutting out under the guttering.
Sorontar
I think those are called corbels, although I am not an architect. If you refer to my email address, Sorontar, you can guess why I am familiar with the term.
Quote from: Sorontar on March 19, 2022, 03:43:57 AM
The choice of contrasting colours is very interesting. I don't remember ever seeing anything like that in Australian buildings of similar age. Would that building have been heritage protected and forced to use original colouring or is that a modern decoration style?
I also like the decorations on the stone work at the top (one of the blocks to the left by the top window makes it look like the grill and headlights for a Jeep Wrangler) and the lintels (or whatever they are called) jutting out under the guttering.
Sorontar
The Germanic national origin of the owner counts too. I can't comment on the darker colors used, but the "chunkiness"of the decorations is interesting. I don't think those would be "new additions," though they appeal the modern eye.
Do you remember the 5 Scherer houses in Mexico City, a few pages back? One or two of those were called "chalets" by the German owner. In this case, below, the Scherer Chalet was built in 1906, which is about 20 years after the Hirschfeld house. In the later case, Scherer was nostalgic about his former country's architecture (Bavaria, I believe), typically involving half timber construction, and that was a common theme among Germanic migrants when they commissioned late 19th century architects - Not forgetting about Art Nouveau and Jugendstil design influences (note asymmetrical placement of tower and filigree below) which led back to many changes to architecture around the turn of the century, to what I'd call "American Arts and Crafts bungalows." All those "bungalows" were timber houses, including decorations. It's common to see some of that in the lesser, turn of century homes in Austin.
However, steel handrails and columns are found in "French" style architecture, some in Austin's fancier Victorian homes which you've seen before (Littlefield House), but more commonly as you move eastward through the Texas coastline into Louisiana, where you'll find all that fancy metal work everywhere, with filigree- usually painted black, I might add.
Fifth Scherer House, 1906, Mixcoac Borough, Mexico City
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As far as protecting colors, no. In Texas,at least, there's no such protection,as far as I know. It's mostly s private citizens' designation with backing from the State, so there's no regulation on keeping original materials or paint colors.
The Spanish Casino, is a four storey building erected by the Spanish migrant community in Mexico City in 1905. The building houses a Spanish cuisine restaurant, the Spanish Mexican Library and numerous halls for banquets and special events.
Designed by Spanish architect Emilio González del Campo, the building incorporated several styles, ranging from Renaissance Revival, Baroque and Arab ("Moorish") Revival. The atrium ceiling has a Tiffany styled leaded glass canopy showing the Spanish coat of arms
The atrium of the Spanish Casino, in downtown Mexico City
https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Espa%C3%B1ol_de_M%C3%A9xico (https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Espa%C3%B1ol_de_M%C3%A9xico)
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The exterior of the Spanish Casino
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Today someone posted this picture of the Orizaba "Iron Palace" City Hall, a few posts above. It's nice enough to post
Illuminated Orizaba City Hall ("The Iron Palace")
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It's more of a dieselpunk, but it's fine.
The dam of the Kirov reservoir on the Talas River in Kyrgyzstan.
It was built in 1975 to provide water to the agricultural areas of the Talas Valley and, first of all, the neighboring one Of the Kazakh Republic.
(https://cs14.pikabu.ru/post_img/2022/04/24/1/1650751927198998669.jpg)
(https://cs12.pikabu.ru/post_img/2022/04/24/1/1650751927191868439.jpg) (https://cs12.pikabu.ru/post_img/2022/04/24/1/165075192719046063.jpg)
(https://cs14.pikabu.ru/post_img/2022/04/24/1/1650751927198031180.jpg) (https://cs12.pikabu.ru/post_img/2022/04/24/1/1650751927187433036.jpg)
(https://cs12.pikabu.ru/post_img/2022/04/24/1/1650751927194296795.jpg) (https://cs14.pikabu.ru/post_img/2022/04/24/1/165075192719494420.jpg)
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That, I like quite a bit not your normal looking dam.
The masterpiece building left blighted by problems - but that is now being restored to its former glory. (https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/masterpiece-building-left-blighted-problems-23830783)
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Been to Brisbane again:
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All Hallows School.
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St Pauls Presbyterian Church.
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Roma Street Station.
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St Andrews Uniting Church.
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All Hallows school.
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Old Brisbane Museum.
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Ha! All those bricks reminded me of Gregory Gymnasium at the University of Texas at Austin. Built in 1930 in honor of Thomas Watt Gregory, an alumnus and a regent of the university, who also served as United States Attorney General.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/University_of_Texas_at_Austin_August_2019_24_%28Gregory_Gymnasium%29.jpg/800px-University_of_Texas_at_Austin_August_2019_24_%28Gregory_Gymnasium%29.jpg)
You also Remini me si haven't photographed the old Masonic Lodge downtown.
If you could live in Adelaide, this is up for grabs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tlDu4q8oac (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tlDu4q8oac)
The tea House on Myasnitskaya (Perlov's Tea Shop) is a three—storey building used from 1893 to 1917 as a tea shop and an apartment building. It was built in 1893 by architect Roman Klein and belonged to merchant Sergei Vasilyevich Perlov.
In 1895, it became known about the arrival of the extraordinary Ambassador and Chancellor of the Chinese Empire Li Hongzhang at the coronation of Nicholas II. Hoping to attract the attention of a high-ranking guest and conclude exclusive contracts for the supply of tea, Sergey Perlov decided to rebuild his own house in Oriental style. The entrepreneur turned to the young architect Karl Gippius.
The bright and unusual building immediately attracted the attention of Muscovites, however, upon arriving in the city, Li Hongzhang preferred to visit representatives of the older branch of the trading house. He visited the estate of Semyon Perlov, who at that time was in charge of the enterprise "V. Perlov and Sons". Nevertheless, the architectural features of the house in the pseudo-Chinese style became a successful advertising move and the store was popular. The brothers managed to withstand competition due to a competent marketing policy: Semyon Perlov offered a mass product, while the establishment on Myasnitskaya was visited mainly by representatives of the aristocracy and the merchant guild. It was Sergey Perlov who first started selling tea in tin cans, and the goods were presented to honorary customers in crystal caskets
(https://regnum.ru/uploads/pictures/news/2015/10/27/regnum_picture_14459551581866329_normal.jpg)
(https://www.2do2go.ru/uploads/8ff79245d91362cb31f34aece8478172.jpg)
(https://i10.fotocdn.net/s123/43f33beaf78cc259/public_pin_l/2814889992.jpg)
(https://kto-chto-gde.ru/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/11-bezumno-krasivyx-magazinov-so-vsego-mira-10.jpg)
(https://adressamoskvy.ru/upload/resize_cache/iblock/b02/837_558_174f16791733ef1859d84cd684fd40d29/b023144f04b4e4e7f575c39a26b5c5be.jpg)
Quote from: morozow on May 19, 2022, 07:58:59 AM
The tea House on Myasnitskaya (Perlov's Tea Shop) is a three—storey building used from 1893 to 1917 as a tea shop and an apartment building. It was built in 1893 by architect Roman Klein and belonged to merchant Sergei Vasilyevich Perlov.
In 1895, it became known about the arrival of the extraordinary Ambassador and Chancellor of the Chinese Empire Li Hongzhang at the coronation of Nicholas II. Hoping to attract the attention of a high-ranking guest and conclude exclusive contracts for the supply of tea, Sergey Perlov decided to rebuild his own house in Oriental style. The entrepreneur turned to the young architect Karl Gippius.
The bright and unusual building immediately attracted the attention of Muscovites, however, upon arriving in the city, Li Hongzhang preferred to visit representatives of the older branch of the trading house. He visited the estate of Semyon Perlov, who at that time was in charge of the enterprise "V. Perlov and Sons". Nevertheless, the architectural features of the house in the pseudo-Chinese style became a successful advertising move and the store was popular. The brothers managed to withstand competition due to a competent marketing policy: Semyon Perlov offered a mass product, while the establishment on Myasnitskaya was visited mainly by representatives of the aristocracy and the merchant guild. It was Sergey Perlov who first started selling tea in tin cans, and the goods were presented to honorary customers in crystal caskets
(https://regnum.ru/uploads/pictures/news/2015/10/27/regnum_picture_14459551581866329_normal.jpg)
(https://www.2do2go.ru/uploads/8ff79245d91362cb31f34aece8478172.jpg)
(https://i10.fotocdn.net/s123/43f33beaf78cc259/public_pin_l/2814889992.jpg)
(https://kto-chto-gde.ru/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/11-bezumno-krasivyx-magazinov-so-vsego-mira-10.jpg)
(https://adressamoskvy.ru/upload/resize_cache/iblock/b02/837_558_174f16791733ef1859d84cd684fd40d29/b023144f04b4e4e7f575c39a26b5c5be.jpg)
That's a truly unique 19th Century interpretation of Asian architecture. Very interesting project and the motivation for it. It certainly would have called the attention of Muscovites, even if it wasn't looked at by the ambassador.
It reminds me of the Chinese ambassador's private house in Mexico City in the mid 70s. His house was a couple of blockw away from ours. It was a mix of 1970s contemporary architecture and Oriental/ pagoda styled roofs.
It looks like the old buildings in Chinatowns in American cities, but better.
Ha!
Remembering a name of a place that had rolled off your tongue many years ago and which you were sure existed, because you were there, but which you couldn't find again.
It's still there, in spite of everything. It's a hole in the wall type of restaurant called Danubio (Danube) which transports you to another continent.
Restaurante Danubio, Mexico City. Founded 1936. Not Victorian, but it pretends to be very well.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWXP_nlXoAAxhJH?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWXP_o4XkAEiTCd?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWXP_nhWIAMj_pY?format=jpg&name=large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWXP_niXoAMN_rH?format=jpg&name=large)
Livraria Lello Bookstore. Portugal. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livraria_Lello)
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.B8l04Nv6-EEkXaiLCWrlPAHaE8%26pid%3DApi&f=1)
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.odgSXqjBM_MfZ_nCQA3uBwHaFj%26pid%3DApi&f=1)
More photos of the interior here (https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=livraeia+lello+bookstore&iax=images&ia=images)
Quote from: Mercury Wells on June 29, 2022, 09:37:35 PM
Livraria Lello Bookstore. Portugal. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livraria_Lello)
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.B8l04Nv6-EEkXaiLCWrlPAHaE8%26pid%3DApi&f=1)
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.odgSXqjBM_MfZ_nCQA3uBwHaFj%26pid%3DApi&f=1)
More photos of the interior here (https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=livraeia+lello+bookstore&iax=images&ia=images)
Better than most libraries, save the jewels like the Palafox Library
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on February 09, 2021, 09:11:45 PM
I saw this a couple of days ago in my Twitter feed. I think I may have shown this interior many moons ago, but it's the colonial era "Biblioteca Palafoxiana" in the city of Puebla, Mexico. Founded in 1646, it's actually the oldest public library in the Americas. Not Steampunk, per se, and not Victorian. But what is Steampunk without a good library full of obscure tomes spanning the ages?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5_P63KbO3IA&feature=youtu.be#
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on February 09, 2021, 09:11:45 PM
I saw this a couple of days ago in my Twitter feed. I think I may have shown this interior many moons ago, but it's the colonial era "Biblioteca Palafoxiana" in the city of Puebla, Mexico. Founded in 1646, it's actually the oldest public library in the Americas. Not Steampunk, per se, and not Victorian. But what is Steampunk without a good library full of obscure tomes spanning the ages?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5_P63KbO3IA&feature=youtu.be#
[Nth edit]Very nice library, for some reason the woodwork on the 1st & 2nd (UK) floor railings/balustrades doesn't sit right with me. Maybe it's the style of uprights. They look similar to the "Shaker Style"[/Nthedit]
I really do dislike doing re-edits again & again. ( >:( :-[ )
Quote from: Mercury Wells on July 08, 2022, 11:32:11 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on February 09, 2021, 09:11:45 PM
I saw this a couple of days ago in my Twitter feed. I think I may have shown this interior many moons ago, but it's the colonial era "Biblioteca Palafoxiana" in the city of Puebla, Mexico. Founded in 1646, it's actually the oldest public library in the Americas. Not Steampunk, per se, and not Victorian. But what is Steampunk without a good library full of obscure tomes spanning the ages?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5_P63KbO3IA&feature=youtu.be#
[Nth edit]Very nice library, for some reason the woodwork on the 2nd & 3rd floor railings/balustrades doesn't sit right with me. Maybe it's the style of uprights. They look similar to the "Shaker Style"[/Nthedit]
The style of balusters and double columns? They do have a profile, but they're intentionally slim. Not classical proportions. Perhaps, with a more modern sensibility, one can imagine wrought iron balusters and railing instead. Everything else, including the tile seems appropriately Spanish.
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on July 09, 2022, 12:19:43 AM
Quote from: Mercury Wells on July 08, 2022, 11:32:11 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on February 09, 2021, 09:11:45 PM
I saw this a couple of days ago in my Twitter feed. I think I may have shown this interior many moons ago, but it's the colonial era "Biblioteca Palafoxiana" in the city of Puebla, Mexico. Founded in 1646, it's actually the oldest public library in the Americas. Not Steampunk, per se, and not Victorian. But what is Steampunk without a good library full of obscure tomes spanning the ages?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5_P63KbO3IA&feature=youtu.be#
[Nth edit]Very nice library, for some reason the woodwork on the 2nd & 3rd floor railings/balustrades doesn't sit right with me. Maybe it's the style of uprights. They look similar to the "Shaker Style"[/Nthedit]
The style of balusters and double columns? They do have a profile, but they're intentionally slim. Not classical proportions. Perhaps, with a more modern sensibility, one can imagine wrought iron balusters and railing instead. Everything else, including the tile seems appropriately Spanish.
I think I know why, I don't like the staircases & the railings. There is nothing to link all 3 floors.
Anyway, I'll come back here, sometime in the future to continue this conversation.
Quote from: morozow on May 19, 2022, 07:58:59 AM
The tea House on Myasnitskaya (Perlov's Tea Shop) is a three—storey building used from 1893 to 1917 as a tea shop and an apartment building. It was built in 1893 by architect Roman Klein and belonged to merchant Sergei Vasilyevich Perlov.
In 1895, it became known about the arrival of the extraordinary Ambassador and Chancellor of the Chinese Empire Li Hongzhang at the coronation of Nicholas II. Hoping to attract the attention of a high-ranking guest and conclude exclusive contracts for the supply of tea, Sergey Perlov decided to rebuild his own house in Oriental style. The entrepreneur turned to the young architect Karl Gippius.
The bright and unusual building immediately attracted the attention of Muscovites, however, upon arriving in the city, Li Hongzhang preferred to visit representatives of the older branch of the trading house. He visited the estate of Semyon Perlov, who at that time was in charge of the enterprise "V. Perlov and Sons". Nevertheless, the architectural features of the house in the pseudo-Chinese style became a successful advertising move and the store was popular. The brothers managed to withstand competition due to a competent marketing policy: Semyon Perlov offered a mass product, while the establishment on Myasnitskaya was visited mainly by representatives of the aristocracy and the merchant guild. It was Sergey Perlov who first started selling tea in tin cans, and the goods were presented to honorary customers in crystal caskets
(https://regnum.ru/uploads/pictures/news/2015/10/27/regnum_picture_14459551581866329_normal.jpg)
(https://www.2do2go.ru/uploads/8ff79245d91362cb31f34aece8478172.jpg)
(https://i10.fotocdn.net/s123/43f33beaf78cc259/public_pin_l/2814889992.jpg)
(https://kto-chto-gde.ru/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/11-bezumno-krasivyx-magazinov-so-vsego-mira-10.jpg)
(https://adressamoskvy.ru/upload/resize_cache/iblock/b02/837_558_174f16791733ef1859d84cd684fd40d29/b023144f04b4e4e7f575c39a26b5c5be.jpg)
For me, having been a printer and typeface designer, the standout on that building is the lettering. I've never seen Cyrillic written in a fake Chinese style before - it's wonderful!
Quote from: Mercury Wells on July 09, 2022, 01:29:15 AM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on July 09, 2022, 12:19:43 AM
Quote from: Mercury Wells on July 08, 2022, 11:32:11 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on February 09, 2021, 09:11:45 PM
I saw this a couple of days ago in my Twitter feed. I think I may have shown this interior many moons ago, but it's the colonial era "Biblioteca Palafoxiana" in the city of Puebla, Mexico. Founded in 1646, it's actually the oldest public library in the Americas. Not Steampunk, per se, and not Victorian. But what is Steampunk without a good library full of obscure tomes spanning the ages?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5_P63KbO3IA&feature=youtu.be#
[Nth edit]Very nice library, for some reason the woodwork on the 2nd & 3rd floor railings/balustrades doesn't sit right with me. Maybe it's the style of uprights. They look similar to the "Shaker Style"[/Nthedit]
The style of balusters and double columns? They do have a profile, but they're intentionally slim. Not classical proportions. Perhaps, with a more modern sensibility, one can imagine wrought iron balusters and railing instead. Everything else, including the tile seems appropriately Spanish.
I think I know why, I don't like the staircases & the railings. There is nothing to link all 3 floors.
Anyway, I'll come back here, sometime in the future to continue this conversation.
I think access to the three levels is at the end of the hall, besides the altarpiece of the Virgin and Jesus. But photos aren't clear. Here's a website with better photos and a view of the exterior
https://www.wmf.org/project/palafoxiana-library
París shot found online. Source unknown.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FX2dFokXwAA4f0G?format=jpg&name=large)
Acquired these through not so nefarious means ;) :-
Libraries around the world (https://imgur.com/gallery/ij8MfqV) (includes some notso-steamy styles)
(https://i.imgur.com/UbnXOzh.jpeg)
The George Peabody Library
Reminiscent of the Bradbury Building, in a way.
Quote from: Mercury Wells on July 19, 2022, 07:43:31 PM
Acquired these through not so nefarious means ;) :-
Libraries around the world (https://imgur.com/gallery/ij8MfqV) (includes some notso-steamy styles)
(https://i.imgur.com/UbnXOzh.jpeg)
The George Peabody Library
Reminiscent of the Bradbury Building, in a way.
Oh yrs. Very nice. Definitely gives the same vibes. Glass canopies over a large atrium were very popular
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/6d/3a/026d3a6c75e9d16e6c62a5e25e976b0e.jpg)
Doors to the C.D. Peacock jewelry store in Chicago, designed by Tiffany in 1923.
Very, very nice. ;D
Quote from: RJBowman on July 27, 2022, 04:50:52 PM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/6d/3a/026d3a6c75e9d16e6c62a5e25e976b0e.jpg)
Doors to the C.D. Peacock jewelry store in Chicago, designed by Tiffany in 1923.
Yes, very nice indeed!
[quoted just to get more of that beauty on the page. ;) )
Quote from: Sir Henry on July 27, 2022, 08:33:46 PM
Quote from: RJBowman on July 27, 2022, 04:50:52 PM
Doors to the C.D. Peacock jewelry store in Chicago, designed by Tiffany in 1923.
Yes, very nice indeed!
[quoted just to get more of that beauty on the page. ;) )
Aren't you glad someone didn't decide to "modernize" that building in the 1950's?
Carson Mansion, Old Town, Eureka,
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FX23scIXoAMuYUp?format=jpg&name=large)
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on August 11, 2022, 01:26:15 PM
Carson Mansion, Old Town, Eureka,
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FX23scIXoAMuYUp?format=jpg&name=large)
A bit fussy, but I like it.
Any chance of changing the title to..."WE rate all steamy buildings, Bront"? ;) ;D
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Cairns, QLD.
Some rare good news about a historic home in Detroit:
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Before and After of the James Scott Mansion built in 1887 in Detroit, MI, photo by @breathing_timemachine
The old house was neglected and finally fell to fire like thousands of stately homes in Detroit, but this was was restored.
Quote from: RJBowman on September 11, 2022, 03:16:59 PM
Some rare good news about a historic home in Detroit:
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Before and After of the James Scott Mansion built in 1887 in Detroit, MI, photo by @breathing_timemachine
The old house was neglected and finally fell to fire like thousands of stately homes in Detroit, but this was was restored.
Wonderful example. Has all the aptitude required for an academy of some sort, but it was renovated for residential rental.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2019/02/21/castle-james-scott-mansion-renovated-joel-landy-midtown/2926855002/
It only took $6 million to renovate the building and convert into apartments according to the article. To me that sounds ridiculously low, considering the size of the building and the condition of the priority prior to renovation.
The project developer, Joel Landy, is channeling Mark Twain it seems!
The same happened around here: Wyfold Court was once a private residence, then a residential home or what they used to call a lunatic asylum. Abandoned for a while then resurrected into a series of very high quality apartments.
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Quote from: yereverluvinunclebert on September 12, 2022, 04:06:51 PM
The same happened around here: Wyfold Court was once a private residence, then a residential home or what they used to call a lunatic asylum. Abandoned for a while then resurrected into a series of very high quality apartments.
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Indeed. A lovely place to live.
In other news, I just snapped a couple of semi decent photos of the Texas State Capitol Building in Austin. The photos are deceiving; it's much larger in person. The cupola is truly massive.
The building is the seat of power for the state. It houses the offices of the legislature, the upper and lower Texas Congress chambers (House of Parliament, in British parlance), as well as the offices of the Governor of the state.
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The narrowest building in Mexico City.
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The
building
on 8½
Venustiano
Carranza
Street
is said
to
have
housed
"El Malecón"
("The Pier")
restaurant
on the
first
floor.
Today
that floor is
a cellphone
repair
business.
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Tomsk, Shishkov's house — Vyacheslav Shishkov, the author of the classic Soviet work "The Gloomy River", lived here in the 1910s. He stayed in Tomsk for almost 20 years: he worked as a technician, an engineer-prospector of waterways, participated in expeditions along Siberian rivers.
In the book "Wooden Architecture of Tomsk" for 1987, the house is characterized as follows: "Houses No. 10 and No. 14 on Shishkov Street were built at the beginning of the XX century... The architecture of these buildings also has features characteristic of the late XIX – early XX centuries, but the palace, majestic character of the buildings with huge, exquisitely decorated windows and cornices, gates, gates and courtyard facades distinguishes them from the general series of buildings of that time... Three-dimensional overhead carving decorating the end boards and sidewalls of the platbands, and openwork carving of the tympanum of the platbands and the frieze of the cornice create a unique game of decor. A special place is occupied by the sawn carving, which gives the building a special lightness and grace."
Current location for a branch of the Irish-inspired casual dining chain "Toks" in Mexico City. The building was the private residence of local magnate Sebastián B. deMier, and his wife Guadalupe Cuevas Rubio deMier. The house was built in 1899 during the Porfiriato (Porfirian Era, I've heard some English-speaking historians call it), when the country had an open door policy for well to do European migrants, which massively pushed industrialization in the 20th C.
What a place to eat some cheap food and down a few beers! Toks was a chain that started in the 1970s and inexplicably has managed to survive every since. Maybe they got a leprechaun looking after them.
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The house in 1910 at the start of the Mexican Civil War (Revolución)
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Quote from: J. Wilhelm on October 14, 2022, 04:56:54 PM
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Their logo fits the building as well as a bat in a soufflé! :o
Quote from: Sir Henry on October 14, 2022, 05:17:56 PM
Quote from: J. Wilhelm on October 14, 2022, 04:56:54 PM
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Their logo fits the building as well as a bat in a soufflé! :o
1970s logo on late Victorian Era building.
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Staying in the Hotel Claremont, South Yarra; another magnificent Victorian building falling apart due to inadequate care. The rest is up and down Toorak Road, near South Yarra Station.
A treat I just found online today. With a chunk of history to boot. I don't think I've posted anything about this beyond one or two casual photos without context before, so I'm surprised I'm finding this now with meaningful information to post. It just goes to show you old cities are a never ending source of surprise.
Source: Mercedes Díaz @mechediazortega on Twitter.
The San Rafael Foundation in Mexico City dates back to 1845, as a group of prominent architects, alumi from the San Carlos Academy, who built elegant mansions in a plot of land comprised of 8 city blocks. Most of the surviving buildings were built later during the Porfiriato Era (~1877-1911), which I've talked about before, during which there was a great increase in European migration into the country.
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One of the largest building complexes, "La Privada Roja" ("the red gated street") in the area, housed the Italian embassy. Located right next to a railroad station, the complex built with bricks featured over 400 arches and solid pine wood doors.
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Already a historical building by 1920, the property was purchased by Mexican engineer Luis Azcué, whose family kept close a relationship with other famous international migrants and Art Deco Era celebrities in Mexico, like Franz Mayer, Frank Sanborns, Diego Rivera and Gustavo Baz.
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What I saw in Maryborough last weekend.
I really like this one because it looks like they built the columns in order to support a rooftop garden. Then , once it was built, they thought it might be a good idea to fill in the rest of it underneath.
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Quote from: Sir Henry on July 09, 2023, 05:47:43 PM
I really like this one because it looks like they built the columns in order to support a rooftop garden. Then , once it was built, they thought it might be a good idea to fill in the rest of it underneath.
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What period is this? Because there's a number of US late colonial era buildings that have the same look (flat rooftop with balustrade all around). What would have been the largest sale ($3 mill) in our late grandfather's company involved covering the whole facade of a large reproduction mansion similar to that one in Houston.
Built 1914-15.
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The new ground-level storefront just doesn't work for me. And what does it do now? Roughly the same as the Jubilee Building next door.
Quote from: chironex on July 27, 2023, 09:11:44 AM
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The new ground-level storefront just doesn't work for me. And what does it do now? Roughly the same as the Jubilee Building next door.
Yeah. That's s commonplace occurrence for buildings in Austin. There's no formal protection to historical buildings, so owners are free to adapt the building throughout the decades. What looked like a good idea in 1956, turns out to look horrifying to a 2023 observer trying to catch a glimpse of the past.
It's still a nice building, though.
Which beings me to this next building. I don't remember posting anything about it before. Hopefully I'm not wrong.
Paramount Theater in Austin, Texas.
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The Paramount Theatre is a live / movie theater built in classical revival style structure was built in 1915, in the Classical Revival Style.
From Wiki
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The four-story theater was built by Ernest Nalle, who commissioned architect John Eberson to design the building in January 1915.[5] The theater opened under the name "The Majestic" on October 11, 1915, and hosted various vaudeville performers including the Marx Brothers. In 1930, the theater was purchased by Karl Hoblitzelle, who renamed it to the "Paramount Theatre" and added carpeting, upholstered seating, and the addition of a giant lighted blade sign reading "Paramount".[5] In 1941, the theater was purchased by the Margaret Reed Estate.[6] In November 1963, the building's facade received a renovation. The renovation included the removal and reprogramming of the signature blade sign. However, the sign was never re-installed and its fate was never revealed.[7]
By the 1970s, the popularity of television and suburban movie theaters led to a decline in theater attendance. In 1975, proprietors John M. Bernardoni, Charles Eckerman, and Stephen L. Scott formed a nonprofit group to restore the building, which was in deteriorating condition.[5] Local philanthropist Roberta Crenshaw, who owned a 50% stake in the building through her late husband's estate, donated her half of the trust to the nonprofit, meanwhile, the other half of the trust offered a 99-year lease.[6] In 1976, the theater's listing on the National Register of Historic Places qualified the venue for federal restoration funds. Renovations began in September 1977 following a $1.85 million grant from the federal government, which was also used to spur economic development in Downtown Austin.[5]
In 2015, the theater embarked on an effort to recreate the signature blade sign that was lost in 1963. Since there were no known architectural or engineering plans for the original sign, the designers analyzed old footage of the theatre that included the sign. On September 23, 2015, the blade sign was lit for the first time in over 50 years.[7]
Quote from: chironex on July 09, 2023, 03:27:56 AM
https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjALFd5
What I saw in Maryborough last weekend.
Yhat is Incredible architecture. It was a creative era
I love the contrast of the building next to it!!!
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Flinders Street Station, Melbourne.
Not a building, but the largest remaining wood railroad bridge in the world. There are talks regarding potential rehabilitation of this structure.
From @fasc1nate on X.com:
QuoteThe Goat Canyon Trestle, found in San Diego County, California, is the biggest wooden railroad bridge globally. Built in 1919 as part of the Carrizo Gorge Track, it stretches over 600 feet long and 186 feet high, made of redwood beams, showcasing remarkable engineering for its time. Situated in the Anza-Borrego desert, the area posed challenges for building the railroad, leading to its nickname, "the impossible railroad." It involved constructing 17 tunnels and many trestles. Over time, the trestle has faced damage from fires and floods, notably during Hurricane Kathleen in 1976, which caused several tunnels and trestle beams to collapse, prompting the Southern Pacific Railroad to abandon the line. Despite its abandonment, the Goat Canyon Trestle attracts hikers and adventurers, who embark on a 6-mile roundtrip hike to reach it. Abandoned rail cars in the area add to its appeal. As of January 2018, the Baja California Railroad was evaluating the line for potential repairs to revive its operation.
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